The Black Greeks — (by Prof. Clyde Winters)

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The Black Greeks

To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal’s book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.

J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their “black ancestors” who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.

According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Kushite and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)

Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.

Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: “I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races …[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world’s great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people”. The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.

The Eurocentrists attempt to prove there was “considerable cultural and linguistic continuity from the twelfth century to the eight century BC” ,in the Aegean . Yet there is no way it can be proven that Indo-European Greeks have always been in Greece. This view on the continuity between the Linear B Greeks and later Greeks held by Lefkowitz is disputed by Hopper who noted that ” after all, so much which characterizes Minoan Crete seems wholly alien to later Greece, despite the efforts of scholars to detect ‘continuity’ ” ……..

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  1. Pr Christopher Ehret

    About Pottery:

    ” There’s another really interesting innovation in Africa: pottery. There are two places in the world which develop pottery really early. One is Japan, where you find pottery before 10,000 BCE, going back to at least 11,000 or 12,000 BCE. And then you’ve got pottery by 10,500 BCE in the eastern Sahara, and it spreads widely in the southern Sahara. Unlike the Middle Eastern ceramics, where you can see the development of pottery at every stage, the stuff we find in the southern Sahara is already great pottery. So there’s probably 500 years we’re missing from the archaeological record. So let’s say that pottery develops in the southern Sahara 2,500 years before Middle Eastern pottery. The Middle Eastern stuff does look like it was developed independently of the African, but ­ hey, this is really interesting! Africa is not too far away; there may have been some diffusion “…

    About Agriculture:

    “There are at least seven or eight ­ maybe eleven to thirteen ­ world regions which independently invented agriculture. None in Europe, by the way..One, of course, is in the Middle East, and many people still believe that this was the first, from which all the others developed. The idea of diffusion from the Middle East still lingers. That idea really can’t be sustained”

    “Here’s the point: agriculture was invented in Africa in at least three centers, and maybe even four. In Africa, you find the earliest domestication of cattle. The location, the pottery and other materials we’ve found makes it likely that happened among the Nilo-Saharan peoples, the sites are in southern Egypt. There is an exceptionally strong correlation between archaeology and language on this issue”

    Martin Bernal in Black Athena III The linguistic Evidence page 52 ; says :

    “..Natufian culture played an important rôle in the creation of Southwest Asian Agriculture…An early development of agriculture in southwest Asia can be seen from African skeletal traits and painted images among Natufians and early farmers ( çatal Hüyük and Nea Nikomedia)”

    Bernal says that there were Africans in Palestine, Anatolia (Modern Turky) and Macedonia…

    Many Africans skulls have been found in Europe, not only the Grimaldis…

    Dr Edouard Piette in 1902 presented africoid statues which he found at Menton ( South of France near Monaco and Italy ) , he describes one of them as follows :

    ” The face has Unmistakably Negroid features”

    See : Dr Edouard Piette : ” Gravure du Mas D’Azil et Statuettes de Menton” , 1902.

    Furthermore scientific reconstitution using modern forensic methods show The Cro-Magnon with Mulattoe features…

    Africa is Europe Mother and Father…

    Europa ( in greek : “Broadfaced” or ” wide-eyed” ) an African Princess ( 5th century Greek , Hesychios said that Europa’s name meant ” Dark one” according to ancient greeks tradition) sister of Kamos the Egyptian from Thebes or waset who gave Greeks their writing system…

    Andromeda daughter of Cepheus and Cassiopeia the king and Queen of Ethiopia was Herakles’ great-grandmother…

    Amphitryon and Alkemene , Herakles’ parents were of Egyptian origin.

    Herakles was an African Prince-Part Egyptian and Part Ethiopian according to the Greeks…

    And I’M SURE that Clyde Winters is right regarding the black chinese. When I was about 12-13 years old a I saw a documentary on French Television channel 2. Archeologists had found the Tomb of a Chinese Emperor.

    The body of this Emperor had remained INTACT ( he was physically preserved) which was a miracle, and I remember saying with surprise and ashtonishment to my big brother ” He is Black ! “. He looked like an Ethiopian not to a chinese…

    The French surgeons who studied his body found his name into his mouth ( a cubic piece of steel with chinese characters). They opened his head and the brain was also intact…

    I never forgot this documentary because he was black, with Ethiopian Features. And as a child I was puzzled by a black man into a Chinese emperor Tomb.

    My Dad recorded this domumentary with his VCR, I hope I’ll find it into his personal collection and save it on DVD.

    I think the Black chinese looked like the Elamites , the Dravidians or the Ethiopians of Mesopotamia and the Scholar Albert Etienne de Lacouperie in his book ” Western Origin of the Early Chinese Civilization” shows that some Elamites from Chaldea ( called Baks) settled in China with:

    – Sciences and Arts
    – Wrinting and Litterature
    – Institutions , Government and Religions
    – Historical Traditions and Legends

    The leader of this Bak tribe was called Nakhunte ( Modern Chinese Nai Hwang Ti) which doesn’t sound a chinese name.

    The Shang Dynasty may have spread from them.

  2. This isn’t the most compelling article that I’ve read on this topic — on this site or elsewhere. What else ya got? The standards for the explication of proof is usually much higher.

  3. Black-white contradiction is just for fools.In reality the Semitic-European rivalry is the historical fact of last 3000 years.Ancient Meditarranian was Semitic by its population,language and culture.The rivalry has been finished by Turks who conquered Arabs.Europeans are basically anti-semitic in a strict meaning of the word

  4. What is funny is to listen to all of these “athorities” and “psuedo scholars”. Obviously those of you claiming that Europe is civilzation is engineered by Caucasians are seriously in need of psychological help. I gues all of the prehellenistc madonnas of Arcadia, Ephesus, and Corinth don’t sound familiar. They are all black. The oldest Greek pottery depicts all of the GODS of Greece as black. No it was not a “style” or some symbolic representation of fertility or the Earth. If it were why do all Etruscan pottery show African features of the nose and lips. Even Diana of Ephesus is shown with an “afro” while Artemis of Ephesus “the replica” has been given European feautures. Europe comes from the name Europa, who was the sister of Cadmus. Cadmus came from Phoenicia. Phoenicia is recorded in the bible as a black civilization, along with all of the other biblical cities. Ethiopia is mentioned in the bible about 80 times while Greece is barely mentioned 5 times and that is not the beginning of the bible. Hell Diodorous Sicculus, Homer, and Herodotus describe Apollo and Heralkes as black as the night. Zeus is nicknamed Ethiops as in “black or burnt face”. If you wanne claim it’s afrocentrism then Solomon calls himself black four times in the bible in the Lament’s of Solomon, Job describes he is black from being in the Sun. Yeshua or Jesus was said to be the color of a burnt copper penny and hair like wool. I realize that many caucasians have been taught the same racist and backward education as African people, but the truth remains the truth. Hell even Gregor Mendle tells you we are the most Genetically powerful people on the planet. Our features are dominant to all other races. Just as with optics in lignt all colors combined make the color black, there fore every other hue, or racial nationality is merely a portion or segment of our DNA. Some of you have blonde hair, red, or brown, but ours is black, like our skin, and comprises all colors to make us more dominant than any other race genetically or otherwise. It is not to be crass but I am speaking from a perspective of science while most of you are speak from your respective opinions. Science does not lie.

  5. I have a masters degree in History while specializing in Ancient Classical Studies. I am currently in my second year of Law School.

    The reason I post my credentials is to explain that I have an extensive knowledge of the aforementioned topics. I will not re-post here often but I feel as though this board has the potential to uncover some interesting facts, as such I will try and add to this interesting debate.

    First and foremost before introducing anything new into this field. I want to address two members who have posted on these topics. Jahdney and Dave. It is clear that both of you are not in the pursuit of knowledge. You both answer the other with facts that do not get to the core of the issue. Furthermore, you rely on Strawman Logic, claiming relationships in etymologies that you have not studied or read. I advise the both of you to really read up on the areas that you are arguing.

    Another important point to consider for the both of you. Do not use explicit numbers that cannot be verified. I will give two examples why the both of you really need to be careful of your claims because numbers can easily be verified. Jahdney you claim that Black-Africans were here 1 000 000 years prior to White-Europeans. Homo-Sapien dates back at the most too 600 000 years ago. Dave you clearly have copied and pasted scientific data that does not conclusively prove anything. In fact you both point to DNA statistics that are based on contemporary scientists who clearly have construed facts on modern DNA collection.

    At any point, I will not deduce what I personally believe because I am interested in discussing ideas and truths. Unlike Dave and Jahdney I do not have an ulterior-motive. I advise all of you on this board to take what these two “Spin-Doctor’s” have to say. They will distort facts and statistics to serve their own personal motives.

  6. Dave it seems like to me you got your Greek information and history from White racists scholars and anthropologists. White people are not a “pure” anything. They are a mixture of Albino and Black African (Dravidian). They entered Europe from their home in Central Asia about circa 1200 B.C.

    So what did you think, White people came from another planet?

  7. Every time I hear someone try to show how so-and-so are the “real” Greeks… rather than the Greeks themselves.. I am reminded of Hitler’s bizarre racial theories. Nazi scholars claimed modern Germans were actually the inheritors of ancient Greece. It’s racism pure and simple. (imo even many that claim to be against racism are crypto racists)

    Those that typically promote this sort of racist gibberish have a perception of identity that is obviously based on some quack pre-20th century eugenic concepts of national races. Modern genetics has blown away these ideas but unfortunately these myths remain mainstream.(even at supposed reputable news papers like the New York Times sadly)

    Earth to your brains. An ethnic identity does not equal a race. Every nation and people are a genetic mix .”Greek’ is a cultural/linguistic affiliation much like “Jewish” or “Chinese” or “English” or “German”. (e.g. It was recently uncovered Hitlers DNA had recent inputs from regions traditionally non-Germanic)

    While modern populations do show biological traces of past populations the fact is every generation, receives genetic inputs from other ethnic sources. Thus the only thing truly meaningful to identity is culture (especially language). The ancient Greeks were culturally affiliated with Hellenism. They were not Africans…. not Germas..not Slavic… not “insert some crackpot with a political agenda here”. As Aristotle said. A is A. A is not B.

    If anyone claims to be the “real” Greeks… learn Greek, embrace Hellenic culture, and call yourselves Greeks. Otherwise you are about as Greek as an average Mexican is Mayan.

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