When Italians were “Blacks”: The dark-skinned Sicilians

Here are some interesting things:

Southern Italians were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” It was difficult, damn near impossible.

They were designated as “black” on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.

Mass lynchings happened to them often.

One of the biggest mass lynchings happened to Italians in New Orleans when they thought that a Italian immigrant had killed a “white” police officer.

The very few Northern Italians that immigrated here perpetuated the myth that Southern Italians and Greeks were of a different race than them in order to save their own asses. This wasn’t true, and there are actually dark-skinned Italians all over Italy, not just in the South, as well as light-skinned Italians all over Italy.

The reason I say very few is because over 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.)

It was highly unlikely (damn near impossible) for a Southern Italian to own a slave because they were seen as the same as blacks, and at the time, they were the second (right behind blacks) most discriminated against group.

The mass immigration for Italians didn’t start until 1880 and even then, they were discriminated against. However, this mass immigration leads into Italian-Americans today:

Italian is the fourth largest ethnic group reported among white Americans.

The great majority of Italians are now middle class to upper middle class and wealthy. They also mostly work white collar jobs.

Their intermarriage rate is around 90%. It was at 80% in the 70’s. So most Italian-Americans also have a white parent of some other descent, especially if they were born after 1980. Exactly like my friend who has a Sicilian father (and he is very dark-skinned) and white Southerner for a mother. We spoke to my friend’s Sicilian grandfather, and he said that one of his brothers was dating a white girl from the South back in the day and that her family considered him “black.” They thought that was weird because by that time, they were living in New York.

They are now considered white

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Comments:

I thought it was interesting looking at back then and looking at them now. I knew they weren’t considered white back then, but I had no idea they actually wrote them down as black on census forms. That shocked me, and when I found that my friend’s ancestor was listed as black on that census form, I thought the ancestor was just a biracial who had a Sicilian father, and so did she. We were just as surprised to find that he was just a teenage Sicilian immigrant. My friend has tanned skin, dark hair, blue eyes, and freckles to boot. So you can see both ethnicities in her. My Greek professor is way darker than her, and he also has a white, WASPY mother.

Italians are still discriminated against. I remember hearing a group of white women referring to them as “Ghetto Whites”. Many whites who feel they have a “true bloodline” dont like them. Anglo Saxonism is a bitch. Pretty much anyone not from England, Gemany (not Jews), Netherlands and so on is not “truly white”. From my experience and when I look at history, this is how white supremacists feel. Spaniards are technically considered Euopean/”white”, but many dont accept them as that. Discrimination among the white race is very prevalent.

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143 thoughts on “When Italians were “Blacks”: The dark-skinned Sicilians”

  1. Thank you for this article. My paternal grandparents were from Abruzzo, and I know they endured certain forms of discrimination when they moved to upstate New York in the early 1920s. Unfortunately, in a pattern that you may find familiar, my father did not learn from this that it was wrong to discriminate, but instead viewed people of other ethnicities as inferior. He even misinformed me, when i was a child, that we had “superior” Northern Italian roots. He also married a southerner, who is my mother and, ironically, far more open-minded than he ever was. Very nice article.

    1. There are people who come to the US from all over the world, plenty of them suffer discrimination where they come from, but once they are in the US, they desire to practice discrimination, in the form of racism, against someone else. Now they can feel like they are somebody at another person’s expense. It’s animal instinct.

    2. My grandfather was a dark skinned Sicilian Italian living in Buffalo NY had to work with the “Nigger” crew(blacks, italians and hispanics) when he worked in the brick yard in his late teens early 20’s.

      The reasons Sicilians are racisit againts blacks because of the Moor invasion and ~100 year occupation of Sicily. During this time Africans raped and enslaved the people of Sicily. Thats where the dark skinned Italian comes from. While I can’t excuse racism against anyone, I can understand why Sicilians are racist againsts people of African decent.

      1. that is not accurate in fat it is down right slander …do proper research and you will learn that the moors crossed over and merged cultures and what happens when you cultures assimilate ,change s in religion, changes in values and ultimately changes in race. The templars saw it as a chess move over the entire region and in a nutshell forced them out even though they civilized the region (with baths oils clothing science and even built one or the worlds greatest libraries) and destroyed every trace of moor influence. In their wake leaving behind broken mixed race families hence forth your dark skinned italians…. please stop making stupid news famous…

        1. Amazing that you do know what you are talking about lol

          And my family is Italian and I’m well…

          Versed in many diverse religions 🙂

  2. An elderly Italian woman I know was trying to make me feel bad about myself, while I had come into her office to renew an insurance policy. This woman is a very elderly alcoholic. I didn’t let her succeed with her attempt. Afterwards, she looked downhearted and she explained how poorly Italians and the Irish had been treated in the past. I never said or did anything to suggest that I didn’t like either group, so she was being unfair. Anyhow, I wish her luck if she is still alive. It goes to show that the pain from racism can last a life time.

    1. Well let’s be honest… Pound for pound, Africa had a cakewalk compared to the bitter and brutal history of Europe. You sounded very condescending to her, and she knew it. From wars to plagues, violent subjugation and slavery that made the slave living conditions in much of the south look like a downright opportunity for Euro’s! Sicilians came over in waves to fill in on the cotton fields where subsaharan black African slaves had been before emancipation ….their accommodations were NO better, and they had to pay for it. All while living in an area where most of the Sicilians were victimized by the SAME Jim Crow laws that blacks were under…. Not to mention: the record for most ppl lynched at one time? Sicilian as well… Not all whites had privlege- period point blank. KKK didn’t roll out red carpet for Italians for a while lol

      But I still don’t think those conditions are worse than what many faced in the ghettos of the north. AND the Italians had it in all sides in the ghettos. But that’s why they imported Costa nostra. They didn’t beg for justice, they made it with bones.

      Even still, none of this compares to what went down in Europe. It was a cold vicious hell unless you were of some type nobility. It’s like insinuating that ppl in the poorest, dankest projects of South Bronx in 90s were somehow well to do or privileged JUST because they lived in a country so rich as Bill Gates lived in…. It’s silly. An outdated silly world view. Not everyone was a rich Englishman lmao… You should educate yourself on European history…. Trust…. We don’t get enough of it in school anymore. We’re busy studying places that had relatively little to do with this western civilization that YOU call home now.

      In the end, I think subsaharan blacks got a good deal in American: 400 years of bitter hard persecution for the same price of 1st world living that Euros had to endure a cpl thousand WAY MORE brutish years of history in order to develop/make/give to non-Euro’s.

      Not even fair actually. If ya think of it.

  3. The rise of the police state has made racism much more deadly. Now privileged white men can get any minority they want arrested and the cops will believe them.

  4. I study a lot of ethnography and international culture and found these same things to be true you mention in your article. Moreover, my mother’s family is Sicilian and I have two relatives who, just this past year, were telling me they were called ‘black’ in Massachusetts after immigrating. One was beaten with a broom for wanting to marry a ‘white’ girl.
    I had a DNA test done a few years ago revealing my mother’s heritage is almost 1/3rd Morrocan (Arab and Berber) as well as Spanish, Greek, Native Sicilian (Siculi) and her blood has traveled from India, through the Horn of Africa and the Middle East before ending up in Sicily. (We share DNA with 48% of the people in Ethiopia/Horn of Africa region). My mother and her sister look unlike most traditional Italians.
    On the U.S. census, once a group became ‘white’ and could then benefit from white privilege, they ran with it. Sometime before the 50s, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and even North African people became ‘white’ on the census which is very strange to me. White on paper is one thing, but how you’re treated by society based on the way you look or your culture, is quite another. I find ‘white’ to not just be a physical coloring but also a perspective on life. Some people of color live in a white-perspective world (their point of view or opinions) although they’re physicality denies them those societal benefits.
    Thank you.

    1. Ryan
      Your phrase “white on paper” can be expressed as WOP. After much thought, I feel that this is actually how WOP was derived, rather than from “without papers” or “work on passage.”

      “White on Paper” carries the true insult. The other derivations are meaningless. Do you have an historical references to shed light on this? It sounds very much like a southern voter registration strategy to offset black registration
      John

      1. Hey John,

        I am of Sicilian descent. The terms ‘wop’ and ‘dago’ were actually derogatory terms first applied to Spaniards. The term ‘wop’ is derived from ‘quapo’ which means ‘handsome’ in Spanish. It was a snide jeer because it was felt that Spanish men and also southern Italian men were to preoccupied with their appearance. While WOP could be the acronym for ‘with out papers’ at the time it was originally being applied to Spanish and southern Italian immigrants almost all of them had papers because the only way to get to America was on an ocean going ship and they were required to register their passengers at the port of call like Ellis Island. The term “dago’ is derived from the first name ‘Diego’ which was again a snide jeer implying that all Spanish and southern Italian men looked a like. I hope this clears up some of the questions of etymology of these terms.

        1. As a further comment I was curious about genetic ancestry and had my DNA tested. My mother was northern European but my father 100% Sicilian for many generations. I discovered that I am admixture of Geman and Irish from my mother and Greek, Italian, Iberian (Spanish), Middle Eastern, and North African from my father. Studying Sicilian history all of these civilizations conquered Sicily at one time or another.

        2. Thanks for this information. My husband is 1/8 Italian, and I had never heard these terms before until I had been around a part Italian. I wondered where in the world they came from & what they stood for.

      2. Hi John,
        I’ve never heard of WOP being ‘white on paper’. That is a term I use to describe it; meaning, the U.S. census may list a group of people as ‘white’ officially but their experiences in reality are quite different. (i.e.: the Italian scientist taken off a plane recently and questioned for doing math).
        WOP as a derogatory term for Southern Italians comes from the Italian word ‘guappo’, which means ‘thug’, so there’s that. Southern Italians are also called ‘Dago’ which comes from ‘Diego’ for being dark, swarthy, and mysterious. There’s also ‘guinea’ which comes from the fact that Sicilians are dark and the English, having traveled to Sicily from Guinea West Africa, thought the Sicilians were as dark as the ‘Guineas of Africa’. Simply calling someone ‘black’ or ‘dark’ was and still in used as an insult. These groups that became ‘white’ should have reached back to grab the hands of groups that didn’t get that meal ticket, but sadly, many moved on into the white group and grabbed tightly to that privilege.

    2. ”We share DNA with 48% of the people in Ethiopia/Horn of Africa region”

      Are you kidding or what ? Where did you test if I may ask ..? Sounds like a shitty company based on these absurd results..

      1. It’s not absurd the DNA test is actuate do your research many Italians contain DNA from the Horn of Africa. Scientists confirm the prescence of African DNA , but now they want to flip and say Horn of Africans are white … Lol Italy/Greece was a colony of Egypt

        1. Nope, it’s actually the exact opposite Mark.

          Egypt was a colony of both the Greeks/Hellenes and Romans at different points in history. Neither were ever colonies of Egypt.

      2. I was born and raised in Sicily. People came from Africa and formed relationships whether it was with or without their consent, with Sicilians. That’s why their ancestry can be found passing through the Horn of Africa…pick up a book.

        1. Do you have any book titles to recommend about Sicily’s relations with Africa? I’m actually interested in knowing more about the relationship between Ethiopia and Sicily way before the colonialism and all that. Any book titles in Italian and English would be nice. Considering Sicily isn’t that far from Tunisia or Libya it wouldn’t be surprising that the Moors or Berbers left some of their DNA behind when their rule of Sicily ended. 🙂 Its no secret that the Moors did the same in Spain.

        1. I live in Australia (I bet you do not).
          There were Italians in Australia in the 1800s, check your facts. Many Italians and Greeks migrated to Australia in the 1920s, and even before. Also, after World War 2, many many Greeks and Italians went to live in Australia.

          In addition, the White Australia Policy was applied up until 1966. You can read about it here, so that you can become well-informed.

      3. Alessio,

        Everyone of Sicilian descent will have fairly different results on their DNA test as there was so much mixture in the region.
        I saw ‘we’ meaning my particular family DNA. So, why would the company be ‘shitty’ and the results ‘absurd’ from an actual DNA test?
        The tests (this one from DNAtribes.com) use allele markers from your ethnic ancestry going back hundreds of years and matching you among world populations.

        1. My Roots are from Naples on my Father’s side and Sicily on my Mother’s. All of Southern Italy was known as Magna Grecia before the Roman Empire was dominant. Naples was called Neopolis and there are Greek ruins all over the South. My Mother’s maiden name is Mandracchia which is an Italicized version of Mandrakia, a Greek name for people of Mandraki, a port city on Rhodes and my Father’s name is Colucci which is a diminutive form of Nicholas or Nikolas, also a Greek name. Who knows how long those names were passed down from Greek ancestors living for generations in Italy? The truth is nobody knows. The facts are, every human on earth today can be traced genetically to an African woman 60,000 years ago and an African man 20,000 years ago. Our DNA is 99.9 percent identical and all human life originated in Africa. Anything other than Black features such as lighter skin, straighter hair, thinner eyes, etc. are mutations from evolution due to migration, weather and geographic conditions. Bottom line, there is no PURE RACE other than Central African peoples and we ALL share the same DNA.

    3. I love your thoughtful additions to this already wonderful article. I am an American living in Milan, and my boyfriend is Sicilian. I just said we should get his genetics tested as I am not very curious to what it might reveal. I should do the same.

    4. I am 100% Sicilian and both my parents were born in Sicily and immigrated in the 1920s. I speak Italian. I have blond hair and blue eyes. Both my grandmothers were blue or hazel eyed as was one of my grandfathers. I wish I knew what DNA test you too because my Ancestry.com test had no such fine delineation. I’m 82 % Italian/ Greek according to them. Southern Italians while as a whole are on the darker side of the European skin color spectrum yet many like me are much fairer than the average German. On Lufstanza when I fly most all the flight attendants first address me in German. Point is you can’t make gross generalizations like this unless backed up by facts. It’s a historic fact that Italians were prejudiced against in the early part of the century but saying that Italians and Greeks have black blood or that all southern Italians are dark skinned is just an uneducated pejorative.

  5. It doesn’t take a lot of working out. The reason why the majority of Portuguese, Italians, Greeks are dark is because they are from the Mediterranean where they have hot summers and mild damp winters compared to northern europe. True countries like Greece and Italy were invaded by darker peoples like Turks, Libyans etc which also conyributed to their darkness. Not sub saharan africa. Though a small percentage of Portugal may have some sub saharan or at least some Moroccan blood.

    1. Will, DNA varies in every single person. I know an Italian woman that did a DNA test. The results of non-White DNA was 10% Arab and 10% Sub-Saharan. Southern Europeans dark features come from their African & Middle Eastern ancestors. End of.

      Really tho? A SMALL percentage of Portugal may have SOME black blood. Your racism is showing. F-Off.

  6. There is a common misconception that Italians, notably Sicilians have a high frequency of Black blood due to the Moorish occupation of Sicily. However, an even greater misconception is that the Moors were “Black”, when they were actually mostly Caucasian Berbers. Whatever few Blacks the Moors may have used as slaves or cannon fodder as they did in their Iberian campaign would have not had much of an impact on the genetics of Sicilians, because the Moors themselves did not leave much of a genetic impact. Furthermore, the genetic impact would have not been from rape or large harems of Sicilian women, but from Moorish women and children left behind and Christianized after the expulsion of Moors from Sicily.

    Another common myth is that Italians have black blood in them from Hannibal and his men. Unfortunately for Afrocentrics, Hannibal and his men were not Black but Semitic Phoenicians. One simply has to do a search for a coin with Hannibal’s portrait or his bust on it from the time that he lived to see that he was not Black, but Caucasian. To see what a Phoenician probably looked like, one can simply take a look at the inhabitants of the island of Malta, who are descendents from the Phoenicians and speak a Phoenician language.

    As for the reason why some Italians may be “darker” than other Europeans, it is not certain, but there are various theories. Unfortunately for Afrocentricists, it has nothing to with Sub-Saharan Africans.
    Epidemiologists determined in the 1970’s that Italians were 99.92% pure. Even the Sicilians that have been accused of being less than Caucasian had less that .02% Arabic and negroid blood in them?

    1. Yes, we know the white man always comes out on top and the black man is always a slave despite history and DNA saying otherwise. No one trusts you albinos anymore. Not since you made Tut look transgendered. You’d all believe Tut to be an androgynous 45 year old drag queen than the brown skin boy that he was.

    2. Are you familiar with the term bred out. This is precisely what occurs to any smaller Ethnic group that amalgamates with another larger Ethnic group. In addition the Berbers were of Black skin as was Hannibal and most people of that region. A little research will go a long way. This is another futile attempt to dismiss and deny the presence of African civilization. There existed an African presence across Europe 50,000 years, and possibly more before Caucasians were there. The sub-Saharan Africans migrated across the straits of Gibraltar into Europe and the Americas (being very experience seafarers and boat builders) long before so-called white Europeans. http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/The_True_Negro_2a.htm

      1. So you’re saying all people were black before some changed through adaptation to the environment. But adaptation takes thousands of years, the Berbers who invaded Spain and Italy are for the most part no different to today’s Berbers who are and look Caucasian. The reason southern Italians, Spanish, Lebanese, Greeks, Morrocans, etc can be mistaken for each other is the same as a German, Englishman, Dutchman, etc can be mistaken for each other. Although invading people can add some DNA into a community, it is in fact very monute and not so recognizable, the major contributor to people’s physical appearance is the climate and environment. Europe is a massive land mass and varies greatly in climate between north and south and so do the people. Just cause somebody lives within boundaries somebody started to call Europe and defined these boundaries, does not mean they will all look the same.

    3. Italians are Semetics from the son of Isaac who is called Esau. Esau was the twin brother of Jacab (Israel). The Ten Lost tribe of Israel are found today in Afghanistan, Pakistan and surrounding countries. Their appearences varies with colors on their hair, eyes and skin. Many of them look White but are not so. Ive studied and found that Italians and Israelites both have various colors of appearences and also their physical features are identical and concluded that they are from Isaac’s twin sons.

      Your assertions that the Italians were mixed with the dark race is illogical. A whole nation or even half of it, is impossible to be mixed with other race, when a nation is already numerous . The only explanation is that Italians share Ancestry with Israelites and Arabs. Not by mixture!

    4. The people of Southern Italy, Sardinia, and Sicily became part of Italy in the 1860s. Prior to that, yes, there were so many groups passing through, trading (major trade route), being enslaved, and conquering. The people of Sicily, for example, are very mixed from Europe, The Mediterranean, Africa, and the Middle East (especially the Phoenicians as you said as well). My particular DNA shows 1/3rd Moroccan ancestry both Arab and Berber on my mother’s side as well as Horn of Africa and lots of Spanish.
      The tricky terms to use are Caucasian and Race. Caucasians are actually Central Asians from the Caucuses (Armenians, some Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Norther Iranians, etc.) From what I’ve read, a German scientist decided to call the blond, blue-eyed Georgians, ‘the most beautiful people on Earth’, and named them the Caucasians. (Excuse me while I try to muster a face of surprise). Then another German scientist used that term to mean all Europeans and eventually ‘whites’. It was all racist B.S. basically. ‘Race’ was created to divide and conquer. (Not all Africans are black, not all Europeans are white). It’s a complicated history and has made beautiful people. 🙂
      All our ancestry is something great to be proud of. I enjoy these discussions but once in a while they get to be about discussing ‘who’s in the white is right club’, not that I’m accusing you of that, but it’s just a natural way to go.

    5. All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents. The notion of the early Berbers as being “whites” or Caucasoid is a new and racist one related to the concept of the African “Hamite”. Certainly the original Berber-speakers were never referred to as anything but “black” or something near it until the 12th century and were otherwise considered the color of Abyssinians and other so called “Indi”.
      Kabyle Girl
      Kabyle Girl

      Even the Kabyles a notoriously fair-skinned “Berber” people of North Africa are up until the 19th century described as “brown” “apart from a few clans…….http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-appearance-of-the-original-berbers-according-to-european-perceptions-by-dana-marniche/

  7. It’s so funny how I keep hearing and reading about dark- skinned Sicilians and how “most Sicilians are dark but I’m yet to see these people. I’m a third generation American of 100% Sicilian ancestry who grew up among many people of similar background with mostly olive to medium/fair complexion. My family being among the fairer type who burn in the summer if we don’t use sunblock.
    As a student of history, I am well aware about the racial categorizations of 19th and early 20th century America including the lynchings of Sicilian immigrants in New Orleans. I also know that most European immigrants during that time were not considered ‘white’ in this country including the Irish, yes, the ethnic group that today’s seems to be one of the greatest examples of what a true white looks like. There definitely was great bias towards southern Italians especially in the southern states however there is no actual documentation that These people were put in the same category as African Americans. This is truly an insult to all the Black Americans who were enslaved for over three hundred years and persecuted during the decades following reconstruction. The only time Italians really came into contact with African Americans was when they competed for labor jobs which Italians almost always would have the social advantage. By the way there are plenty of Sicilians and Sicilian Americans who are lighter-skinned than Anglo Saxons and many Anglo-Saxons, especially in the South and West have Native American DNA.

    1. There are census reports that have most of them listed as black or mulatto. The Greeks, Spaniards, Italiams came from black ancestors. Instead of constantly dying this just take a freaking DNA test but I’m guessing you all won’t because you already know its true. Your high level of melanin/dark skin, sickle cell traits, curly hair shows your African ancestry. Ancient Rome and Greeks were black societies. I’m so glad DNA testing is starting to tell the true history of the world. Having blonde hair and light eyes doesn’t mean you don’t have Sub Saharan DNA. It just means it wasn’t expressed in your hair, eyes, skin but its still there. I find this information that Southern Europeans are10% black because they are the most racist people in all of Europe. I guess they’re like Hitler who had Jewush and African DNA as well. Self hater is such a sad, ugly thing and makes you realize just how twisted this world really is.

      1. A knowledgeable person would understand that “White” are a pychologically advanced people. Being physically white with blond or red and blue yes does not place you in the category of “White”. “White” people know who dosen’t belong to them even if you come to them with blond hair & blue yes.

        Semetic people from Isaac, are a people with various appearences with colorful hair and eyes and skin, yet not “White”. In Afghanistan and Pakistan are people with colorful appearences who are thought to be the ten lost tribes of Israel. Isaac’s twin sons were Jacab and Esau. Esau is the father on the Roman who today called Italians. So, Italians do have a Semetic looks like their Israelite brother. They both have various colorful appearences. But the “White” people know us as non-Whites not because of appearence but manners and psychology.

      2. Hahahaha genetics disproof any recent genetic connection with Sub Saharan Africa. I’ve done genetic testing and have spend some time studying my autosomal results and those of others and there’s no connection with any SSA on this whole planet – you wish! The last significant IBD sharing from peoples outside of Italy was around 400 BC.

        From which source(s) do you have this misinformation about Italians from ?

        There’s a lot of genetic diversity among Italians with Northern Italians, Central Italians and Southern Italians/Sicilians being more ‘different’ from each other than e.g. a Brit and a Dane or an Irishman and German – however Italians as a whole form a cluster of their own and the Alps actually acted as a barrier against free gene flow outside of the Italian peninsula. The greatest immigration ever in Italy was during the Neolithic and after that there were some invaders from the North that have intermixed to some degree with the locals – but still far northerners are considered ”Southern European” on a genetic level compared to other Southern Europeans.

        The Greco Roman age interconnected the Near East with the Italian Peninsula and there were a lot of Syrians and Greeks in Rome for example, but if this has caused Italians to be closer to Near Eastern populations than Greek mainlanders or other Southern Europeans like Iberians for example is a mystery for me; I think inbreeding has caused a lot of components to maintain within the population.

        Sicily has some Norman influence (not very significant though and limited to the region of Palermo) and some Phoenician which could be one of the reasons their ‘West Asian’ is a bit higher than other mainland Southern Italians.

        The rate of IBD sharing within the Italian Peninsula is also very low compared to other Europeans except maybe Finns.

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    2. There is documentation. Also, Italians were not hired in many jobs and paid less than ‘whites’ and ‘blacks’ on construction jobs. My family is very dark Sicilian and I was surprised to see ‘lighter’ Sicilians when I grew up.
      Whiteness denotes privilege in America. People from the Mediterranean are generally going to be darker than people in the north of Europe. The entire globe works that way with skin color and climate going hand in hand.

  8. I lived in Milan for twenty years, many of the people have very dark curly hair,and sometime curly kinky hair. Many of the woman have butts like bk woman. They also have brown complexions sometime and medium thick lips. These characteristics are not white Caucasian traits. Theyhave dark breast areolas, and brown Mongoloid spot on gluts.

  9. There is so much misinformation here that I don’t even know where to begin.

    Let’s clarify one thing right off the bat: Southern Italians and Sicilians are genetically very similar from region to region, with some minor differences.. but NONE of them have any significant Sub-Saharan African or otherwise non-Caucasoid ancestry. For Sicilians it’s usually 1 percent at best, and this is lower than the amount you find in Spain and Portugal. Anyone on here claiming to have seen autosomal DNA results for Sicilians scoring any significant amount of Sub-Saharan (Black) African DNA… I’d like to see screenshots and proof, because this is scientifically unsubstantiated.

    On the other hand, West Asian genetic admixture is very high in southern Italy, particularly in Sicily and Calabria, and North European genetic influence is very low for European standards. There is limited Norman admixture in southern Italy, if any at all. You may find pockets in which it is higher or has been maintained, but one or two Norman ancestors assimilated into a large population of Sicilians would have very little autosomal impact and nearly undetectable today.

    In general, the admixture of Sicilians is very close to that of Ashkenazi Jews and Greeks from Crete and the Dodecanese. Very low Northern European, and high West Asian. There is also a high prevalence of genetics that are shared with other Southern Europeans and yes, a small North African component that is under 10% of total genes. Recent studies have demonstrated that Sicilians, Maltese, and Ashkenazi Jews do not plot with other Europeans perfectly due to their excess of Near Eastern DNA, which is not even present in Spain or Greece. It is also important to note that Greece has been heavily influenced by populations to their north and most of their recent admixture has indeed come from Albanians (who were likely genetically similar to Greeks to begin with) and Slavic poeples.

    Phenotypically, Sicilians and other southern Italians resemble one another (there are not great differences region to region), but there is some regional variation. People from Apulia, and from the inland regions of Sicily (Enna, Caltanissetta etc.) tend to be lighter and more robust, possibly due to more influence from further north such as Lombards. People from Calabria, and the coastal regions of Sicily are much darker and look more similar to Cypriots and some Near Eastern people. Every now and again you will find someone who looks strikingly Northern European (call it “Norman” if you will) or North African, but neither is a common look. On average, Sicilians and other southern Italians look like they should given their genetics and location.

  10. I was on this blog by a Sicilian woman who explained the African or Moorish heritage of some Italians. She posted these vases and pottery from Siciliy depicting dark skin black men juxtapose fair skin women and explained it as when the Moors ruled in Sicliy they often interbreeded and their history in the land is one that is very much celebrated. So many Sicilians know of their mixed heritage. Listen to them not Internet trolls that go to ever site saying the same thing…Moors were white….Egyptians were white…..to think not you’re Afrocentric….look at these outdated bias studies….you guys try to steal everyone’s culture. Those tactics are dried up. What is beautiful is connecting with Greeks, Portuguese, Latinos, and others who know and represent their culture. They surely out number the latter.

    Oh and the whole… Egyptians depicted themselves dark to represent the soil…yet the sky and water is still blue…..doesn’t stand up as any justification. We still depict ourselves brown. The Mayans apdepicted themselves brown with locs…..but if you listen to an Eurocentric they will say it’s stylized. Basically they are saying….ignore the obvious and believe the confusion and the lies….follow me I’ll lead you off a cliff. Trust me I will keep you lost. I had an art teacher that said the cornrolls on the statue kourus was stylized, they didn’t know how to depict their own hair……yeah okay. Woke, not asleep.

    1. Thank you ” Me” finally I can stop reading now, thought for a minute there I was not going to fine someone who made sense Smh.. Disinformation is a scary thing…

  11. I am Jewish and look 100% like a ‘Dark Sicilian.’ My Ancestors arrived in Missouri in the late 19th Century. White Supremacy was widespread in the Ozarks of Southern Missouri, and Jews were not allowed at local motels as late as the Mid 20th century. They were not ‘White’ enough.

  12. “The reason I say very few is because over 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.)”

    Sardinia??? Sardinians migrated to US represent only the 0.04% of all italian americans, being the italian region with the lowest migration towards USA. None ethnic sardinian faced any kind of racism in the US.

  13. My grandfather is from Sicily and grandmother from Algeria.
    I have a bit dark skin, the problem is that I live in Poland and had some not so nice incounters.
    People mistake me for a gipsy or arab, morons cant understand that there are some european nations that are dark skinned.

  14. Greece was fostered by the Minoans, Black people. Rome began as a colony of Etruria, Black people. The Arabs didn’t arrive in Egypt until 639 A. D. Mesopotamia, Assyria, Babylon, the entire Middle East was originally Black people. Most of the modern depictions of Minoans, Etruscans, and Assyrians/Babylonians are falsely rendered to depict a European look.
    http://leslester.blogspot.com

  15. What explains the development of the various racial characteristics?
    “All men living today belong to a single species, Homo sapiens, and are derived from a common stock. . . . Biological differences between human beings are due to differences in hereditary constitution and to the influence of the environment on this genetic potential. In most cases, those differences are due to the interaction of these two sets of factors. . . . Differences between individuals within a race or within a population are often greater than the average differences between races or populations.”—An international body of scientists convened by UNESCO, quoted in Statement on Race (New York, 1972, third ed.), Ashley Montagu, pp. 149, 150.
    “A race is simply one of the partially isolated gene pools into which the human species came to be divided during and following its early geographical spread. Roughly one race has developed on each of the five major continental areas of the earth. . . . Man did indeed diverge genetically during this phase of history and we can measure and study the results of this divergence in what remains today of the old geographical races. As we would expect, divergence appears to be correlated with the degree of isolation. . . . When race formation took place on the continents, with the bottlenecking of thousands of populations in isolated gene pools all over the world, the gene-frequency differences we now see were established. . . . The paradox which faces us is that each group of humans appears to be externally different yet underneath these differences there is fundamental similarity.” (Heredity and Human Life, New York, 1963, H. L. Carson, pp. 151, 154, 162, 163) (Thus, early in human history, when a group of people were isolated from others and married within the group, certain distinctive combinations of genetic traits were emphasized in their offspring.)

  16. I have read every ones statement .I am sicilian,but since my gradmother is just Italian who is light skined brown hair blue eyes and my grandfather who is darked skin black hair brown eyes . My mother who is dark skin brown hair brown eyes .I was born red until my 12 birthday then my skin was getting lighter but people still think i’m spanishall the time. Now i’m 40 cross from a white women and cross from spanishthats what people see whenI walk out side. After all the raciam I have experienced from all sides even blacks even whites .I don’t like being called white or black or any thing eles except Sicilian.I know alot of people have made good points and thanks for writing every thing down because I have been trying to explain a lot of this histroy to my black children and my daughters black professor has been telling my daughter that every thing that has been said has been lies .And as he puts it only black people were being killed from mass lynchings .So thank you for expressing that it was the Italians,{Sicilians} in New Orleans after so called killing a white officer.I am so proud of who ever is teaching the right histroy for once .Thank you

  17. I’m northern Italian. There are people in my family who are super pale and some who are rather dark. I’m pale and all my genetic tests have 0% African of any kind and 0% Middle Eastern. I come out 100% European. I come out related to various groups in Europe and only come out like 50% Italian, even though all my grandparents are from Italy. I’ve seen results of Italian friends who are shocked to find out they are like 8% sub Saharan African. Usually they are from Naples and south in Italy, as well as Sicily. Actually, many Sicilians I’ve talked to about 23andMe results were more Levant than sub Saharan African. So it’s a mash up. Some people in southern Italy and Sicily will have no African and others will. I haven’t found one person on 23andMe from northern Italy who showed up with African or anything other than European ancestry. So, skin color doesn’t really matter, since I have a range in my family. My mother is dark and my father light. Both came out 100% European like me. I tested with three companies. All results were the same. With southern Italy and Sicily it’s anyone’s guess and there are inbred areas where they just aren’t related to Africans and Middle Eastern people. Sicilians do seem more related to them though. However, during the unification of Italy, half a million northern Italians went to southern Italy and Sicily for land. Not true that northern Italians did not go to southern Italy. When the feudal system broke, there was a land grab. Many of those blond Sicilians are really northern Italians. You can’t go by curly hair and dark skin or my family would be a mix and they aren’t. I have a blond German friend who has really curly blond hair. Southern Europeans like the Greeks could have inbred for curly hair. There is also the problem that Italians in the US lie about their ancestry big time. Many Sicilians did mix with people of African ancestry in the late 1800’s in the US south. They try to hide that and it makes it hard to know what the real story is. In any event, interesting topic.

  18. Well, I’m Italian and started to look at my origins. I started with a company that checks your DNA and the results were 70% germanic / celtic and 30% from North-Africa, Middle-East. And that matches what my mother family member told me. They told me that the origin of the family is original from North-Africa, and of Jewish origins. The family name itself “Gatto”, could be well of Jewish origins as in Italy Christians usually gave animal names instead of Christian names to Jews (Gatto is cat in english).

    What I sure of is that Egyptian, Roman or Greek civilization that created the foundation of the Western World were surely not white.

  19. Lol im actually of italian sicilian decent there are sicilians with african roots berber arab not all sicilians are of black thats a stupid mistake to make the arabs were thrown out of sicily by the Normans. Sicilians are not italian theres a big diffrence do your history right. Ll europeans have some extent of african heritage.

  20. All my grandparents came to America from Sicily. I’m light skinned with dark hair, freckles & green eyes. I don’t even tan. The funny part is that my father’s side of the family is descended from the Black Moors of Africa & some of them look it too. I picked up more of my mother’s genetics, which may have descended from the Arabs & other groups. I also just found out that my Sicilian last name originated in Burgundy, France & it’s a black name that means “one who is dark & royal”. Can’t wait for DNA test results to see what else is in my past. Also, I’ve read that any Sicilian/Italian name beginning with Mor is descended from the Moors. The Moors gave us the university system that we have, so I am very proud to have Moor & Sicilian blood.

  21. great articles and comments… learned some interesting stuff.. also learned that some are subjected to their prejudices, get over it accept your faith…yea i’m scilian and not european ..it’s all good. . .

  22. It s funny how people speak just about sicilians regarding Italy and never about regions like trentino, veneto, friuli, lombardia, piemonte, val d aosta, toscana, emilia and so on. Are these italians less italians than those poor country men from sicily who emigrated in the U.S ? People probably not even notice north italians cause they are as white as closer northen countries…so who knows they are italians…if the mass is used to watch movies where italians are just mafia involved eating pasta coming from sicily and naple ahah. It s clear that that social class was in need to emigrate that time and I m talking about poor people working 15 hours per day under the sun, but Italy is just a bit more complex than some vulgar dark skinned and louder men, cause I feel lots of ignorants know just what the tv wants to show, while people who has some culture know well italans and italy. Of course nothing against black people but it s crazy how lots of american movies look for dark skin actors for playing italian characters and most of the times the production make these actors darker with make up or put the actor to have sun showers….or also…look for actors with italian lastname but with mixed roots, for example italian dad and mexican mother…or cuban, or brasilian and so on. By force these half italians are darker than how italians are, but what about of italians mixed with northen countries people? I won t say any names cause are too easy to remember for everybody talking about actors. What I want to say is that Italy is made of regions and every region is a whole world. Every region has its own history. The history of south italy is not more important than the history of north italy. Who s extra white we say they look like swedishs and who s brown we say they look arabs….but in both of cases we re speaking about minorities. If you want to see how typical italians are you ve to take some good books about art, literature and so on and see how different we always have been than some mixed blood from the south. I really don t get how a person with a 48% of dna from african stases may be considered italian!!!! It s an italian with african roots of course and by force is darker than an italian with italian roots. We have a long history, it s not just a matter of someone who s arrived here 200 or 100 or 50 years ago and is considered by the law an italian citzen. We are speaking about a typical italian and if we speak of that….a typical italian is not the one from the region of Trentino (pale)as is not the one from the region Sicily (dark skin)

  23. I’m sorry but this is a very broad statement that does not apply to most Italians or even Sicilian Italians. It’s not racist, it is possible some may have Black African DNA but to say it’s substantial or even common just isn’t true. Berber and Arab DNA is common, but sub Saharan is not. I have taken a DNA test and I have 2% North African DNA, and the rest is Italian and middle eastern. This is not racist, I tend to like black people more than Arabs, but I’m not sure why certain websites of both black and white people try to claim ancestries they have little to do with historically. I see whites trying to claim Jesus and the Middle East all the time. Being that I’m half Jewish and half Italian I find it absurd. Jesus was a Mizrahi Jew and Italians and Sicilians are a mix of mostly Mediterranean people. It’s a simple truth and DNA shows this time and again. There were many amazing African cultures to be proud just as there were many amazing European ones. Both should stop trying to claim the Mediterranean. Mediterranean is a mix of North Africa, Southern Europe and the middle eastern Levant. It always has been.

  24. I wrote a long comment about why this is crap and it’s gone. So I will sum it up. Why are white and black people always trying exclusively claim Mediterranean people? Italians who are dark may well have sub Saharan DNA but in all likelihood they mixed with North Africans and people from the Levant. It’s just a fact.

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