The Black Greeks — (by Prof. Clyde Winters)
The Black Greeks
To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal’s book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.
J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their “black ancestors” who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.
According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Kushite and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)
Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.
Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: “I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races …[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world’s great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people”. The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.
The Eurocentrists attempt to prove there was “considerable cultural and linguistic continuity from the twelfth century to the eight century BC” ,in the Aegean . Yet there is no way it can be proven that Indo-European Greeks have always been in Greece. This view on the continuity between the Linear B Greeks and later Greeks held by Lefkowitz is disputed by Hopper who noted that ” after all, so much which characterizes Minoan Crete seems wholly alien to later Greece, despite the efforts of scholars to detect ‘continuity’ ” .
Original: The Black Greeks
December 18th, 2007 at 9:19 am
There weren’t no “black Greeks”. Stop living in fantasy world and come back to reality. Ancient Greek civilization has been Caucasian white not African Negro. Sorry but Winters is not legit ‘professor’ but someone who is spreading lies to make Afrocentric feel better about themselves by connecting them to European civilizations by the way of Greeks and Romans. And yes the Greeks did speak about race, they called black people Ethiopians “black faced” for a reason and it wasn’t because Ethiopians looked like the white Caucasian Greeks.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:43 am
Actually, my heritage is Greek, I’ve studied Greek history extensively. I’ve also visited Greece, especially Crete where the Minoan and Mycennean civilizations where located. Those people where black. The words of the historians and mythmakers, the images on the pottery, it was all settled by Egyptians. Which is also how it is told in the book of Genesis, with Minoans called Caphtorim and Mycenneans called Casluhim, I believe. These where sons of Mizraim (Egypt), a son of Ham, brother of Kush.
Greece was later overrun by Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, and 400 years of brutal war with the Turks, before becoming free in 1930.
Free Greek civilization has always been allied with Ethiopia and Egypt, trading royal dynasties, sciences, medicines, philosophy, stories and art: culture.
His Imperial Majesty wrote and quoted at great length about the ancient and modern connections between Greece and Ethiopia in HIM autobiography.
The architectural and anthropological evidence is there, the Biblical, the Prophetical, the mythological/psychological, even the genetic evidence is there in Mitochondrial DNA sequences. These tests and programs can trace back the genetic ancestry of a population–they all eventually point back to Africa: the Greek’s often and in great degree.
Don’t try and slam the man’s well-reasoned article with that half-assed WASP-ey sounding shit. (I bet you’ll say it was the Pilgrims!)
I hate to break it to you, but “Europe”, or that little peninsula of Eurasia we like to pretend is it’s own continent, has often been dominated by African peoples and civilizations, and for long periods of it’s history. Get over it and maybe you’ll learn more about yourself.
December 30th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Ras Nikolaos
Jah bless you Rastaman, for the courage and intelligence to discern the real truth.
One love
Don Jaide
December 31st, 2007 at 7:53 am
Nikoloas you are full of it. I have been to Greece and have a PHD in Greek civilization which very clearly shows through their works that they were white Europeans not black Africans. Science and DNA analysis has revealed and reconfirm time and again that the Greek population since ancient time and into modner times was and stil IS WHITE EUROPEAN since Minoan times if not earlier. I question if you are truely a Greek, more then likely you are a Slav from FYROMian because no true Greek would seperate the Macedonians and Byzantines from other Greeks like you just did. Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, argued that the scientific limitations of Villena’s methodology.[16] They stated that “Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.”, making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as “anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups.” No multiple-marker analysis has ever duplicated Arnaiz-Villena’s results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[17]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[18] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[19]).” Nature; MDS plot; Ayub et al. 2003
December 31st, 2007 at 8:00 am
Another thing Nikolaos if you were truely a Greek you would have known that the first people to call themselves European and the region they lived in EUROPE WERE THE GREEKS!
December 31st, 2007 at 8:10 am
Dave
Honestly, you do not sound like you have a college degree talkless of a PH.D.
Many Greeks carry HBS haplogroup 19 from Nigeria Africa. They have also been sampled for Y haplogroups A, E3B, DE, etc. See our section on Nigerian Origin of Ancient Greeks and perhaps you will begin to see connections that you have failed to observe.
The first Europeans were Blacks from Africa who cleared the land and planted the farms. They came into Europe via Spain, and the Levant carrying African culture and DNA.
Until 6,000 years ago, Europe was a completely Black continent phenotypically wise. The gene that caused your pale skin has been demonstrated to have mutated about that time and actually became pre-dominant in Europe perhaps 2,000 years ago.
The rest of the white “Europeans” you talk about are recent arrivals. They came in less than 1,600 years ago from the Steppes of Russia for instance: the germanic tribes who the Romans reported were on the move from Russian steepes into southern Europe about 4th century AD, the Russ, the Slavs, the teutons, the saxons, the vikings, the engels,…all relatively recent immigrants to Europe.
When did those tribes arrive inot western and southern Europe? Please answer!
So why do you make bold to falsify history like that?
You better know your facts before you make unsustainable claims.
Jahdey
December 31st, 2007 at 4:15 pm
I suggest you get your facts straight and stop spreading fallacies. Afrocentrics need to stop trying to steal European white cultures like Greece’s that has nothing to do with black Africans just to make themselves feel better. Greeks have never been genetically black Africans, period. They have nothing in common with black Africans.
Since ancient times and to this day black Africans are not the norm in Greece. A native Greek sees a black in Greece and knows right away the black person is not Greek but a foreigner. DNA analysis by scientists have proven that the percentage of Greeks who have Arabic genetic markers is less then 2%, tests have also revealed Greeks have less then .00000000000001% sub-Saharan African genetic markers. Studies done on the subject matter by Semino et al. [10] who studied DNA samples of Greeks from the whole region show that influences from the Middle East and North Africa in historical times are unlikely, and amount to something like less then 2% in total; in additional two specific haplogroups E and J which are frequent through out the European region, and can be used to detect population movements between Europe, Africa and the Near East, studies have found that less then 2.4% of Greeks belong in haplogroup E-M123 and 1.27% in E-M78. Clades of E prevalent in Northern or Sub-Saharan Africa were not found in any tested modern Greeks nor found in any DNA samples of ancient Greek skeleton remains. According to Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan peoples from the region including the Slavs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, etc cluster together and belong to a specific cluster group within a haplogroup that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans region and marks migrations from the Balkan areas, not into it. Haplogroup J which is also found through out Europe, is what most Greeks belong to J-M172 and its subclades which is associated with Neolithic population movements. (4) J-M172(xM12) distribution is consistent with a Caucasus/Anatolian dispersal route to southern & eastern Europe and may reflect the spread of Anatolian farmers; while (5) E-M78 and J-M12(M102) lineages would trace the subsequent diffusion of people from eastern Europe to the west. To put it in more simpler terms: thousands of Greeks gave DNA samples that were tested in seven studies, and out of that total only less then 0.1% are possible non-Caucasoid contribution to the Greek gene pool and 2% are of ME contributions. In other words Greeks have always been since ancient times closer related to the Caucasian peoples of the Balkans then any African/Semetic/Arabic or whatever other groups of people. The emerging picture of Y chromosome variation in Greece indicates genetic continuity, with slight influences from neighboring Caucasoid regions and virtually no influence from non-Caucasoids groups. The mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly mostly with comprehensive European- mtDNA caucasoid, with a total precentage of less then 1.6% which come from Mediterranean-Eastern, Asian, N. African. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.