The Roots of Afro-Europe: Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b1*, Cro-magnons, and Afro-Europeans – Dana Marniche

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The following info from a Eurocentric weblog shows the uselessness of arguing over haplotypes and genetics without physical anthropological foundations: 

“A back migration from Asia to Africa took place around 15,000 years ago, with a group of R1b1* people moving to Egypt, Sudan and spreading in different directions inside Africa to Rwanda, South Africa, Namibia, Angola, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau. The hotspot is Cameroon. R1b1* was observed at a frequency of up to 95% in some tribes of northern Cameroon (like the Kirdi), and about 15% nationwide. It is probably where the early R1b people first settled, then spread south and east along the coast.”

The problem a lot of people are unaware that most Cromagnon and paleolithic, mesolithic and neolithic people around the Mediteranean including in North Africa were not biologically or not closely affiliated represented by modern Europeans.  15,000 years ago the majority of people in North africa were Mechtoids and other “Cro-Magnon” type  people with craniofacial traits that were strongly tropical.  These people had very little direct connection to modern European peoples or those called “Eurasian in the Middle East. in fact they were closer to modern sub-Saharan Africans.

This has been known for many decades by anthropologists and modern physical anthropologists using genetic based traits have basically confirmed the earlier conclusions.  Thus, the study done by Brace and several other reputable physical anthropological specialists who wrote and edited the paper proving the unrelatedness of most modern Europeans with ancient pre- Bronze Age Europeans showed very strong tropical and “Negroid” traits well into the neolithic.  It also concluded many Bronze Age people were apparently not closely connected genetically  to modern Europeans based on 24 well-tested craniofacila traits including the Mahalonobis statistic. “The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa.”

However the unrelatedness of ancient stone age Europeans to  modern Europeans has long been known thus we hear from the following specialists earlier. Professor Willis Boughton in 1896, The History of Ancient Peoples 334-337: “Archeologists have found remains of three races in Europe.   Two of these are generally classed as blacks, may be known as the Constant and the Cro-Magnon Race.”

“The discoveries of abundant prehistoric remains all over Europe particularly France. These with one accord tended to show that European aborigines of the Stone age were not Mongoloid like the Lapps, after all but the exact opposite.  In every detail they resembled rather the dolicocecephalic Negoes of Africa.”” William Z. Ripley,  Races of Europe p. 436

“The importance of the skeleton of the Cro- Magnon type is that in stature, prognathousm and shape of the orbits they exhibit approximation to the negro type more than any other which have been found in Europe.” P. 96  in  Isaac Taylor, The Origin of the Aryans, first published 1889.

And in 2005 the Brace paper asserts – “If this analysis shows nothing else it demonstrates that the oft repeated European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are ‘us’ is more a product of anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains.”  see “The Questionable contribution of the Neolithic and Bronze Age to European Craniofacial form”,  Loring Brace, Noriko Seguchi, Conrad B. Quintyn, Sherry C. Fox, A. Russell Nelson, Sotiris K. Manolis, by the National Academy of Sciences, which basically shows how weak the physical link is between modern Europeans and most ancient Europeans including pre-Bronze Age Eurasiatic, regardless of what haplotype or other dna traits went where.  This is due to the prevalence of African looking people in Europe and Asia until the neolithic. Something that early specialists before pseudoanthropological musings of Coon.  (And even he classified the bulk of the small “Mediterranean Neolithic people as noticeably “Negroid” in craniofacial character.)

Brace’s study found that only a couple of populations in neolithic Germany to have some connection to the modern Europeans and Middle Easterners, including the modern Gaunches and Basques, and northward Berber speakers (also mainly mesocranic and brachycephalic peoples) unlike ancient Africans and modern Africans and ancient paleolithic and most neolithic Europeans and Eurasians.

In addition, recent studies have again shown as Lepsius had in the past  that ancient Egyptians had essentially tropical traits.
     
Thus we read in another recent article, “The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations.” (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). found in “Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions”. American Journal of Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.

Finally it should understood that, just because certain haplotypes or other dna traits came to be carried by a variety of modern populations says little about where a modern population or physical type originated. What it does suggest, however, is that many modern Europeans and the affiliated modern Eurasian populations have asorbed previous non-Europoid populations that were present in European, North African and Eurasian regions.  The Greeks, Kabyles and other European-like types may be a good example of this.


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30 thoughts on “The Roots of Afro-Europe: Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b1*, Cro-magnons, and Afro-Europeans – Dana Marniche”

  1. Look at the Y chromosome data study..the? genomes? of modern? europeans are founded on the frame of both? the basque male (“old European” original cromagnon original white man)and the basque female.The basques are the original europeans..so it makes sense.Ask any honest scientist if u dont believe me…

    1. There is no orignal “Cro-magnon white man”. Early Cro-magnon’s had tropical features adn limb proportions and weren’t white. As Loring Brace said the idea that Cro-magnon’s are us is very much a European folk tale.

      1. Actually the Cromagnons of Europe are now considered to have most likely been light skinned people as far back as 35,000 years ago this is even taught in anthropology classes today.

  2. I forgot to mention people need to get rid of their polygenetic based wishful thinking that says just because blacks were in Africa “whites” predominated in Europe and “yellow” people held Asia. Seriously its getting boring. There is no evidence the ancestors of modern Europeans were dominant over large parts of neolithic or earlier Europe/ From what i can tell they are found in some caves in mesolithic Germany and are markedly different already in that era than the bulk of the mesolithic European and Eurasiatic peoples.

  3. All this takes is a quick google for images of cro magnon skulls. Typically, their eye sockets tend to be VERY rectangular – negro eye sockets tend to be round whilst caucasians are more rectangular. The cro magnon nasal cavity tends to be elongated – in negroes it is round, in caucasians it is more elongated. The cro magnon chin is very prominent – caucasians have a more prominent chin than negroes. A side view of a cro magnon skull will reveal it to have a facial/forehead profile more akin to the caucasian, rathern than the sloping profile of negroes. The cro magnon had a cranial vault of a whopping 1500cc – today’s caucasians are far closer (about 1360cc) to the cro magnon average than today’s negroes (about 1290cc). Nice try guys, but the cro magnon is our grandaddy not yours.

  4. cromagnon man evolved into the basque man

    Late Paleolithic (to 8,000 BC)
    • Homo sapiens sapiens – current type of man
    • Art (decoration of caves, bones and? stones)
    • Evolution towards the Basque Type(the white man) begins
    • Homo sapiens sapiens soon divides into the racial groups which now inhabit the earth (white, yellow, black).? Each group becomes the origin of the races which we now distinguish. One of? them, Cro-Magnon man, evolved indigenously into the Basque group.

    • Cave of Urtiaga (Deba)- final magdalen level (end of the late Palaeolithic age) Cro-Magnon type cranium beginning to evolve into the Basque cranium. Azilian level? (beginning of? Mesolithic age) ;intermediary crania, between Cro-Magnon and Basque. The crania of the Eneolithic age are clearly Basque.You learn from your oldest bro,the younger never learns from the? older..u learned from the oldest “bro”, the basque man..know wat i mean?

    “The History and Geography of Human Genes” (Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi and Alberto? Piazza), divides humanity into four major ethnic regions, African (Khoisan), Caucasoids (Basque), Mongoloids (American Indian) and? Australians (Aborigine) (Time, No. 3, 1995)

    basques r atlanteans,jesus bloodline,we founded rome,great britain etc n schooled the romans

  5. IJ haplogroup is the cro-magnon marker .. R1B is nothing to do with them apart from invading their lands and killing off the men to replace I and J across the European continent .

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