178 thoughts on “Black Like The Ancient Europeans: The Black (First) Europeans”

1. YOU ARE BABYLON BA BILL IN WHERE UR SWORD COMES FROM ,,,,,,, BABBLING ur race has ONLY been ON PLANET 7400 YEARS ,an are created by grating,WE ARE YOUR MALE GOD ,,,THE SUN U CALLED JESUS INTHE FLESH IS HORUS NOT SERAPIS AN THATS IS US NOT U ,if we didnt create u u wouldnt have black inside ir body thats the only reason u can reproduuce because of us ,the inside of ur woman is black inside the crack of ur ass is black an when ur born thts where u come from ,the dark matter of ur mother who if her insides were white no birth could take place even ur bible saYs the dark comes before the light ,u are wight whiggamoor wihght not white what lAnd do u own ansWer thAT who pays tribute /taxes to u like urs haD to pay the muurs to live on our land BEFORE 1776 ,albions tried to say tHe muurs weRe color white cauSe they are the moors sons who disrespect thEy father youR father was dark in skin white in statuS if u can go back far enough to know what that means but 7444 years ago is not ancient an poves mankin is the last man raise not first natural born killers are u s e are not distracted by ur feeble attempt to be inetellectual about the lies of the grafted aryan race cause its ur boule negro fathers who put ur in position ,first 9presidents before wahinton wree mulatto as waswashinton like washitaw nation ,,we are not from the east i am from the west u have no know;ledge of me until u were grafted the god tht created u is the muur that u now call black thats why when u doie u return to no where stuck in the fourth dimension ,nothing backs ur babbling except the gun from the cagots carrions who came to america as slaves indentured servants ,,u asked fo science u got it an ur scientists are liars as are u ,,,ur time is up ,,get ur gun start shoooting ,,,take off my fez an an release fake kkk position as white ,,got to u tube the real aryans m the cme from us u have no penis god u force people to worship that has u as adam dam is atom u have no knowlede even of urs;if with church pedofile accounts of savages because they werent christian,,,i look at the disEaSe an germs u bought having sex with animals an being canniles ,,u have no standing an yur position hold no weight any muur,,yu are the last man raised by the first an u switch it around there will be no offf with my head today ,YOUR FATHER GOD RAPES CHILDEN AN FORGIVES HIMELF AN THE PEOPLE WHO DO IT AN CONFESSS TO HIM WHO THEY SACRIFICED,,CHRISTIAN RITULISTS CREATE THE SIN THEY MUST APOLOGIZE FOR ON PURPOSE TO JUST SAY IM SORRY WILL U FORGIVE ME,, WE DONT STAND UNDER THAT SHT NO MOOR,,the muurs created societies an took u out of the dark ages sleeping with the beast creating mulattoes who began incest an marrying fanily to keep it light u have no hnoe no nobility in whst u have done an are scared of niburu cause its here to get rid of u like ur genocide tried to get rid of us ,,,we know ur an agent tryig to incite an kow tht u are not right when u talk about the 13th 14h amendmrnt commerce slave white who was raised on the premise at least we better then those niggers , denying u come from them an creting the fakkke could 9 god with a penis to lie an justify ur being on pLanet conquering outside caucus mountains ,,,mattriarchy end was that ones beginning patriarchal starts with fake adam stolen from atom which is what the melanated are .. dam A dam holds water blocks flow thats all the KING JAMES bible diD for negro is block knowledge flow so the wouldnt know who they were an abandon their nationality an birthrights to aryans they creAted in yucatan peninsula ,,,,,,,,race means competition an we dont have to compete with what we created unless it lies an says we didnt create it as u an urs do ,,,, denials an racial amnesia from before 1492 creation of race by mankind ,,they added five hndreD year on callender so its only really 1512,but we will let you keep telling them its 2012

2. There was yet some daylight in the long evening when our forefathers came to their new land. They were free from the children of Cain at least for a time. During this period of freedom from Cain’s children, they originated and developed the foundation for their great Republic of God’s Kingdom. The nation was born which was to have no man-king but would have the Creator of the Universe, Yahweh as its King. It brought His people back to the conditions of government which He had given them upon their exodus from Egypt but which they had not maintained. They were again to use His laws for their nation and for their government. But alas, the evening was to turn into night. The darkness was coming upon them.

   The first great leader of their nation was given a vision of the darkness. George Washington was given a vision of the dark clouds of Satan’s children coming over the land. There was fighting and bloodshed in all of the towns and cities. The land was to be invaded by Cain’s children as in days before, but the children of Adam were to awaken from their sleep. The dark clouds broke apart and a red light was shining. Then a great white light shined through from above the darkness. There was a great cleansing of the land with all of Cain’s children being driven from the land. Then came the dawn, clear and crisp, with only Adam’s children dwelling in peace in their own land.

   Yahweh planned that sufficient daylight would remain in the evening hours for the establishment of His laws in the new land of His people. But Satan and his children were not to be denied. They were to follow and invade the land as they had always done before. Yahweh had set the time in days and years for the suffering of Adam’s family because of their violations of His laws. Many years were yet to be counted and Adam’s children had more trials and tribulations to undergo before their final awakening and complete obedience to His laws for their nation and their government. These trials and tribulations were to come over their new nation during the hours of darkness.

   Leaders of the nation in its infancy had warned the people about permitting the Yehudi in their land. One named Benjamin Franklin owned a printing plant, which distributed leaflets telling the people who the Yehudi were. His printed tracts advised against ever permitting the Yehudi to become citizens in the new nation. Yet the Yehudi came to the new land in greater numbers. As usual, they remained to themselves and continually plotted against Adam’s children and their Yahweh. They became storekeepers, lenders of money, pawn-brokers and termites in Government just as they had always done in the other nations of Adam’s children. They became destroyers of the Creator’s righteous form of government. Their leaders remained in Holland and Switzerland but planned and directed their activities on an international basis. They were never loyal to a nation, which took them in. They sent their hirelings to the new nation and with their international money power they seduced many of Adam’s children who were blind as to their origin. These blind children of Adam worshipped Satan’s money and were subject to his evil power “sin”. As such, the Yehudi easily handled them. They could be used to divide Adam’s children amongst themselves and they deceived the righteous by “fronting” for the Yehudi who remained behind the scenes.

   Even the “elect” would be deceived by them in the latter days. There were some blind preachers of Adam’s children who believed Satan’s lies and who believed that Yahweh was of the Yehudi. There was nothing in their. Book to prove this, yet they believed the Yehudi of whom, they had been warned by Yahweh Himself. They had forgotten the Word. They knew not who they were. They could not hear Saul who told them clearly “If ye be Yahweh’s, then ye be Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise”., Heirs to the Kingdom yet some would give up their birthright. They were easy prey for the Yehudi. At one time the leader of the Yehudi went so far as to divide the new nation into two large land areas. He issued written deeds to these two parts of the land, giving one of his sons a deed to the Northern half and the second son a deed to the Southern half. He wrote these deeds in Holland and arranged to send them to the new land by way of the Island nation where he had spies and agents. In order to better divide the people of the two large land areas, he paid one of his hirelings named Hyman Solomon to develop a slave trade. Solomon brought the Enosh from Africa to the Southern part of the nation. In the meantime a leader of Adam’s family in an older nation, Czar Nicholas, learned from the Ides of the attempt by the Yehudi chief to divide the new nation. He immediately contacted the Yehudi chief in Holland and ordered him to cease and desist in the effort. He sent one of his fleets to the coast of the new nation and another fleet to the coast off Vera Cruz, threatening to attack if the Yehudi chief continued his activity of dividing the new nation. The activity was stopped immediately because the Yehudi always feared those of Adam’s children who were aware of their methods. They feared the anger of Adam’s righteous leaders and they were always afraid of violence. They constantly cried “brotherly love” to cover up their deceit and evil. They cried “brotherly love”, while well knowing that they were not the brothers of Adam’s children because they knew who their father was as it was revealed by Yahweh. They knew that their father was Satan and that Adam’s children were from a different Father. Brothers must be from the same father. (See John 8, vs. 39-47).

   The leaders of Cain’s children had often said, “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws”. So, in the early hours of darkness, Satan’s children used their old tricks to gain control of the money in the new nation. The open-minded honest but blind children of Adam were completely at their mercy, incapable of stopping it. Adam’s children did not know who they were so how could they be expected to know their enemy? In due time a great leader of Adam’s family became head of the nation. He knew how to regain control of the Nation’s money from Yehudi. He also knew that the Enosh must be returned to Africa or the new nation would be in deep trouble. The leaders of the Yehudi were forced into action. They could always upset Adam’s family with their control of money and their spies and paid agents who they had placed in high places within the governments of most nations. It was simple for them to develop conditions that would get Adam’s children fighting amongst themselves. This would always relieve the mounting pressure against Satan and his children at a time when Adam’s children began to awaken and recognize the evils and deceit of the Yehudi. Jesus knew these tricks because He was Yahweh, who knew all, from the beginning to the end. He warned Adam’s children who were brothers of the flesh. He knew that Satan would cause them to fight amongst themselves by deceitful means, causing brother to fight brother. Therefore He said to them “Love thy brother.” Jesus also knew that brothers are from the same father and that all of Adam’s children, being of a Celestial family, were Sons of the Father from the beginning. They were not of the “creations” which had created the Enosh nor were they of the unholy mixture of Enosh seed from which the Yehudi had descended. Jesus said to His brethren, “Ye were mine before the creation of the Earth and ye are mine in the Earth”. The Adamic race descends from Adam, they are children of the spirit, born into the flesh and being “born again” when they are born into the, flesh body on Earth. In the same manner Jesus identified the Yehudi as the children of Satan. He said to them “Ye are not the children of Abraham (Israel), for if ye were Abraham’s children ye would do the works of Abraham. I am from my Father and ye are from your father and your father is the devil (Satan). He was a Bar and a murderer from the beginning and your father’s works will ye do”.

   But Adam’s children in their blindness did not understand the warnings of their Heavenly Father who had come to Earth as He had promised Adam, to save His children and to set them free from Satan’s power on Earth. They did not even understand what He meant when He said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free”.

   The Yehudi leaders arranged for the murder of the great leader of Adam’s family. They created a war between Adam’s children, the Northern brethren against the Southern brethren. It was essential that they destroy the work which they knew would be accomplished A by the great leader of the new nation. If this great leader were permitted to continue in his wisdom, He would destroy the plans of Satan’s children and they knew it. He was already in the process of returning the nation to their Father’s laws of economics and money. He had already made it clear that the medium of exchange called money should be put into circulation interest-free and without creating a debt. Satan’ system was to give the credit to the Yehudi and then let them lend it into circulation, creating a debt and the collection of interest.

   The physical wealth of the nation was the collateral for the issuance of government bonds or simply government I.O.U.’s, a promise to pay, in the future, with interest, nothing more. The great leader knew that if these I.O.U.’s were good enough collateral for the borrowing of private Yehudi banker’s credit and then lending their bank money to the people, the same collateral was good enough to issue or pay the money into circulation interest-free in the first place. In fact, this was the intention of the founding fathers and provision was made for it in the great Constitution they had written. The amount of money in circulation could be controlled by taxation, which is simply a means of obtaining services from the people by the government. With such a system, the balance between physical production and purchasing power could be maintained in balance and the value of the money would be stable. The Yehudi could not permit this even though the Constitution did provide for it. As the great leader actually began to put his policies into practice, the Yehudi became desperate. They not only wished to lend money within the nation, they wanted to maintain the control of money on an international basis and lend to nations. In order to do this, it was essential that they control the money of this great new nation and its great wealth. They knew the capabilities of Adam’s children in bringing wealth out of the Earth and obtaining the blessings of the Earth as promised to them by their Heavenly Father. Satan was not stupid by any means. After Lincoln had implemented his fiscal policy of issuing money interest-free instead of printing I.O.U.’S and borrowing the Yehudi’s private money, the hired stooges of the Yehudi attempted to use the Courts to stop him, but in this they failed. The Courts upheld the lawful method but this did not stop the Yehudi. They knew that a fight between brethren could be instigated and they began their work toward that end immediately. This would help them lend money to finance the war. They could then murder the leader and get Adam’s children back into line because of the debts incurred to fight the war. It was a time consuming process but completely planned to the last detail.

   The great leader of the nation posed another problem for the Yehudi. He had made arrangements for the money necessary to transport all of the Enosh back to Africa. He had made it clear that the Enosh who were in the land as slaves and who had been brought to the new nation in violation of its laws by the Yehudi and their paid agents, were to be returned to their native land in Africa. This would upset the age-old plan of Satan to destroy Adam’s family by mixing them with the Enosh and polluting the Holy seed. This was the work of Satan and his children would make every effort to do his work along this line. It was to the best interests of the Yehudi leaders in Holland that the Northern part of the new nation be victorious in the war between the brethren of Adam’s family. They did all in their power to see that their well-laid plans ended successfully along this line. They had dependable agents in high places of the nation’s national government. Most of the “front men” were of the North where Yehudi had been most active. The brethren of the South were better prepared to resist Satan’s children because of their way of life and their knowledge of the Word left to them by their Heavenly Father. It was apparent to the Yehudi that the men of the South were not as easily fooled as their brethren of the North. For this, the South has never been forgiven by Satan’s children and they vowed to destroy Adam’s children in the South no matter how long it takes or by what means they must use. They will destroy the Union if necessary, as it means nothing to them anyway. It wasn’t their Union in the first place. It would be easy for them to send some of their kind to the South to act as spies and agents for them there. This they did.

   The war was successfully started and brethren were fighting brethren. While brothers of Adam’s family destroyed each other, the Yehudi sat back pulling the strings and lending the money to both sides. With their control of the press and mass means of communications, it was easy to convince the people that slavery was the main issue, when in reality the plan was to destroy the great leader of the nation, whose plans could continue unless a war were brought about. The plans of this leader and their future possibilities were feared by the Yehudi. The North was to be victorious with the help of the Yehudi and their paid agents who feared the sons of Adam in the South. The men of the South knew their Father’s Word and were not as easily deceived. The Yehudi leaders knew that these Southern men would be a constant source of trouble to their plans unless they were put in an economic position from which they could not recover quickly, if ever. If these men were to become strong in the new nation’s government, the Yehudi would lose everything they had worked for since Satan began his program of destruction for Adam’s family. They would be banished from the land of Adam’s children for good. The sons of Satan recognized the sons of God and feared them, but the sons of God did not recognize the sons of Satan who were doing all in their power to destroy their good works. The sons of Satan knew that they must bring about a mongrelization with the Enosh to effectively destroy the sons of God. Their land must be taken from them and their women folk subjected to the heathen. The war was more for this purpose than anything else although many other useful purposes of the Yehudi were served at the same time.

   After the war the Yehudi sent their paid agents and spies into the South. These scalawags and carpetbaggers received their instructions from the agents of the Yehudi who were in high places within the national government. A Yehudi stooge was used to employ the national armed forces in the plan for the destruction of the South. These were the conditions throughout the South when Yahweh, the Heavenly Father of Adam’s children, brought His divine power into play. He raised men to bring His children out of their troubles. In a little town of Pulaski, Tennessee, some of the leaders of Adam’s children organized themselves for their recovery and the protection of their people. They met secretly and studied the Word of their Heavenly Father. Eventually they adopted a garment with the Cross of Christ on their breast. One also for their horses where the Cross of Christ was emblazoned on the left flank. Their membership grew quickly as their mission was to bring righteous government to the people.

   Each one took an oath to uphold, defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America and to uphold the Constitutional Republic which was established by their forefathers. They knew the law and declared that any legislation adopted by any legislative branch of the Federal government must be in accord with and in pursuance of the Constitution. They declared our Republican form of government a government of Law, not one of men and men’s opinions. Any legislative act of the Federal government that was not in accord with the Constitution would not be recognized by them as “law”. It would merely be legislation and unenforceable because it must be in accord with the Constitution to become “law”. The legislators enacting such legislation outside the confines of the Constitution would be subject to arrest and removal from office for usurping powers not granted to them by the States or the people and for violation of their oath of office, which required them to uphold, defend and protect the constitution. Any act otherwise would be malfeasance and misfeasance in office and a criminal offense according to the statutes of the United States, which were enacted, from the Articles of Confederation and the Ordnance of the Territories. These had been adopted to be in effect “Forever” and this organic law had been enacted into statutes known as the “United States Code”.

   After a time, the Enosh became afraid of the robed sons of Adam’s family. The Enosh were a very superstitious people and they were extremely ignorant. They believed that the robed Knights were ghosts of Confederate soldiers. It was this fear in many instances that kept the Enosh from committing crime and wrong doing. These people were so simple and ignorant that they knew not right from wrong. But they understood the punishment for wrong.

   The Yehudi soon discovered that their old trick of infiltration and destruction from within was not effective with the organization formed by Adam’s children in the South. There were no traitors amongst the Knights and they carefully selected their members. But the Yehudi are children of Satan and possess all of his cunning and deceit. They decided to divide and conquer. They hired a group of paid agents who acquired some robes similar to those that had been worn by the Knights of the Invisible Empire. The groups of Yehudi agents were not recognizable because they wore masks. They wore the robes and went on raids, doing all manner of evil. They murdered the Enosh and attacked meetings of Adam’s children who were of the Catholic Faith. These evil activities were planned for the purpose of destroying the effectiveness and reputation of the Knights of the Invisible Empire. If the Yehudi could destroy the reputation amongst the people, they could make it very difficult for the organization to function efficiently.

   This was an old trick of Satan’s and the Yehudi are experts in using Satan’s tricks. If they cannot destroy Adam’s family one way, they will use another. In many instances they will destroy their own possessions and make a hue and cry, blaming Adam’s children In this manner, they keep their lesser brethren in constant fear and make them contribute more money for the evil works of the Yehudi leaders. They maintain large amounts of money in this manner, which supports their long range effort to bring Satan’s government to the land. They must keep Adam’s children on the defensive, and their brethren who are the children of Satan are kept in the dark. Yet, they do the works of their father the devil. Those of Adam’s family who assist them in their blindness are also doing Satan’s work, but they are unaware of the fact. It is too bad that so many of Adam’s children remain blind. When they receive the “light” of Yahweh, they become wise and no longer do they assist Satan’s children in their destruction of Adam’s family.

3. HE WAS THE LATEST HOW DID HE GET HERE , DID THIS GOD JUST SUDDEMLY MAKE THE ARYAN APPEAR AFTER THESE OTHER RACES A HAD BEEN CREATED SO LONG AGO BY THIS MALE GOD ORRRR DID THE MALE GOD APPEAR IN PRINT WITH ADAM IN PATRIARCHY MAKING THT GOD NO OLDER THEN THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE CREATED BY IT THE ARYANS HAD TO CREATE A GOD LIKE SERAPIS TO JUSTIFY THER EXISTENCE IN RULING AN WHY THEY SHOULD RULE LIKE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE AFTER KILLINNG IN THE NAME OF JESUS,NOT EVOLUTION GRAFTING STEM CELL RESEARCH IS WHERE THIS ONE COMES FROM IN HIS OWN BIBLE,,NO PRINTING PRESS IN 1300S,CHECK THE HISTORY OF PRINTING ,FFIRST FOORM BEING WOODBLOCK PRINTING CHINA JAPAN THEN JOSEPH GUTENBBERG LATER IN 1450-60 SO THEY SAY,LET US NOT FORGET PAPYRUS THE PARCHMENT ,,BONE ALSO PREATING GUTENBERG,,,,BUT THEY COULD START MASS PRINTING RELIGIOUS AN OTHER HIZZZZSTORY LIES WITH HIS INVENTION

   1. If you believe that all white history is only mass produced lies,then why would’nt all of you’re black history be all mass produced lies also,for that matter what makes you yhink that every thing YOU think you know is just a lie,in order to make you’re race feel good about themselves??????every race on this earth originated from theJinn except for the Aryan people,the biblewas created by Jews not a racist king james.that is why true Aryans use the origional text to interpret it,every mass produced document in existence was created by the Jinn races to TRY to make the Aryan races feel or appear inferior,but the world will always be able to tell who is superior by the fruit they bare upon their tree!

      1. Still spitting your bible nonsense. If you bible god created the pinks like you say. Why is it always a curse when your skin turns white? Every time god placed a curse on his people he turned em white. Never has he turned the black as a curse. Why is god described as a black man Daniel 7:9?

         Everywhere you pinks have landed disease, rape, murder, materialism and destruction has followed. So much for being proud of such a heartless group.

         Still u can’t give evidence of your bible crap. I gave you two sources for hard evidence. One showing that no little green men needed to come build. Second showing evolution does exist. Either your as blind or just ignorant of facts. I’m willing to read your peer reviewed scientific article on this bull, but its hard for you to post.

         Either put up or shut up. It’s that simple to do. You claim my sources weren’t proof, but they have been reviewed many times over and give concrete evidence. Your bible gives no hard truth just flakes like dry skin

         1. Daniel 7:9 says no such thing. Liar.

            1. Well, consult Daniel 9:7 and you will see that you are an idiot!

            2. Sorry, I had it backwards. Please forgive!

      2. White history by and large is based on white supremacy. This by its very nature a lie. They have made a calculated effort to steal Africans history and if they can’t steal it they distort it. This has happened when it comes to the ancient Greek who were originally black, Spartans who were originally black, Trogans who were originally black. All of the world were peopled by just blacks no other people existed. They did not enter Europe in any significant numbers until chased out by the Huns. They came from central Asia they had no real home or history that’s why they fabricated it.

      3. it is a fact that some great scholars from Europe proved the rise of all human race is Africa. that means there was no human being in Europe unless there is a migration from Africa.

      4. Hey mr aryan man what u recon I read the top
         Fam comes from Italy and I ended up being white with blue limbus and little blonde or red hairs on my face
         Dark brown hair an hairy legs
         Recon my history is funny I’m 6 foot mabe I’m a mediteranian vole

      5. Your people are evil and steal from everyone. Countries culture etc. White people. Read into why they were really ran out of Africa and you will see why they have so much hated for blacks

4. i know it is cause u aint white now,, i didnt say i was black u did i said i was a muur i said my people were from the orian constellation where u say sr heaven i told u i started being called black by u ,black a muur , i told u i was indiginous aboriginal from the west ,,we are lemurians atlantians annunaki,not strawman tag brand from 13th 14th amendment ,,its u that have a disease color ideation ,,,the jinn is from the holy qquran , we come before the jinnn ,,the demons ,ur picture of the devil on crystalinks has an afro an is darkskin,,evem islam was matriarchal before prop[phet muhammad conquered hindu temples in asia,,,three daughters of ailiyah al uzza allot an manatt before islam religion i self lord am masster science ,,,that ur euro masony comes from .we didnt get negro black until 1700 which is first books to print this ,uare from the olive brach ,the olice skin drak a light the muurs ,,black history from euro is a lie we the muurs give the ality before the re ,we were in the west before 1492,we spoke arabic in the west before 1492, the matriarchal bible that was plagerized an switched to patriarchy sits in the british museum like the protocols of zion ,alll the prophets were female priestesses in that bible check the camels eye treaty , you tube treaty law by meredith quinnn read time walkerthen come back an comment on that ,,the word history indicates a lie a toy is one loyal to the crown , a party still in british parliament lik democrat ,,the bible was reee created to suit an apply to the last man raised who got all his knowledge from the fez.history an religion come after our science of crtion , u have created no race but you creted the illusion of it by mankind claiming the positions of the muurs u say u dont come from cause they crested u an ur race with last names…all the symbols off the family crests coats of arms are from kemet,your closing tehniques cant work cause the questions are weak,,,you cant even word ur question correctly ,why would i think what im saying is a lie ,,i know what m saying s not a lie ,im giiving u the oppurtunity to kmnow we dont come from colors but you reject clear evidence of ancient times ,ive eve signed in to be black but i am called that by those who dont know like u sooo i am able to defend myself quite differently because i really do know who i am not what was taught in grade school which is the level of ur evidence.you have to study muur.when u call me black i will just tell u u are not white ,i am a secured party creditor freee white sovereign in america bonded iin silver,but im the darkest red olive skinned man u ever saw .i was here before 1492 in north amexum u called terra incognita ,there was an imperial govt here in 1491 1490 an before in boricua an quis a queya also . anacaona,,king james was a pedophile that killed his moother but he was a bd apple ,but he was a muur also,,,,,,,,,muurs are not just mahammadins ,two different people ,,but the mahamadins come from us s do all others ,when we ruled we were valled the gods called muurs moors by our creations ..check ur local masonic or shriners temple for your degrees hiiden in serecy ,, black means secret like black ops in govt ,an black peopl;e are the big secret as are u the original; l bleac bleach people from 16th century midle english ,,in tom cruis movie eyes wide shut,,children believe men know free an accepted men know ,bible is for children not US MUURS the ity people ity means bright illuminationg shining in latin ,,WE ARE NOT MONORITY AS U BRANDED THE UNCONSCIOUS MUURS/BLACK PEOPLE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE ,,THEY ARE STILL MUURS WHO FORGOT WHO THEY WERE AN WHERE THEY REALLY CAME FROM LIKE U SO YOU WILL ALWAYS ARGU BLACK AN WHITE ,AN U DONT CARE IF THEY DON KOW UR NOT WHITE CAUSE IT CONVEINIENT TO US ONQUERING AN KILLING PEOPLE AN TALKING THEIR LAND EATING THE MEN LIKE CANNIBLES RAPING THE WOMAN MAKING CHILDEN FROM THEM TO SAY U ARE WHITE ,THERS NO NOBILTY IN THAT ,,,WHITE MEANS IN FULL LIFE NOT RED RUDDY BLEACH SKIN , NEGRO MEANS DEAD FROM NECRO ,,WE THE MUURS ARE MEMBERS OF NO RACE EXCPT A UNIVERSAL HUMAN ON AN U MUST HAV COLOR TO BE HUE-MAN ,,FIRST MAN IS WOMBMAN WHO CREATED MAN , NOT PATRIARCAL DOG BACKWARDS,,I HAVE NO LAST NAME ONLY TtTLES ,INTERNATIONA;L TITLE ,, noble terrell ali bey zoser nehisi hotep REgISTERED IN THE UNITED NATIONS AN THE HAGUE, diplomat,prime minister of information imdiginous aboriginal washitaw nation yamsee nation xi olmec amuurican gansul,i am a sentient being as are my hermanas y hermanos here at rasta livewire ,we speak an gave u evey languae u can call when we civilized the land of ugh we pu u in ,, thats whe the wod ugly comes from ,,us mating with the fairskin patagonian blonde amazon creations in south america are how u came about an ur king james stolen from indian bible from west 2000 years older then king james,,check camels eye treaty 1491,im giving u this information to raise urself from the pit of ignorance u the goyim swim in an save ur childre from the descent of humanity cause by color of law economic slavey of 2012,,i implore u to read the protocols of lerned elders of zion again an meredith quinns timewalker ,also teachings of the gret musa ,where they xplain the difference between the white tribes from europe a the white race from europe .onl y race means fake skin color ,only rave means one must lose one must win ,,together we did not begin nor will we end ,,so to get ficked over one must bend ,,an get stuck by the other in the rear end ,by the history llies the pale european son wrote ,bringing them west on the columbus boat ,,,each race fight an take up for only half of what comes from one circoambulation is death u may be created jinn race demon race we created but we didnt start out that way but it explains ur artists teachin u the devil is black an teaching others the devil is red ,,bible is isis book of genises is the book of isis horus manumited to jesus from serapis a alike

   1. Contact me at heruleallah@Gmail.com wow u r deep i seek knowledge not debates i am a 5% member Nation of God’s and earths let’s build asap

5. The falsehoods from the alleged Camel’s Eye Treaty itself are numerous and obvious. Below are the most obvious:

   1. “This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. upon the surrender of the Roman Empire.”

   Why would a treaty supposedly written a thousand years before Columbus affect Natives? Why would it be named after camels or Isis? Rome fell in 476, not 408.

   2. “Peace Pipe Treaties [These treaties cover all Indian Tribes of North and South America]
   The Seal of Solomon Treaty [Covers all Blacks, Arabs and Israelites]
   The Paladium of Troy Treaty [Covers Asia and Minor Asia]
   Noah’s Ark Treaty [Covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe]”

   Where to begin? Peace pipes aren’t used by many tribes, and many tribes never signed any treaties at all. The Seal of Solomon referred to Solomon’s ring used to signify his authority, not any treaty. The Palladium (with two ls) was in Athens, not Troy. There is no such place as Minor Asia. There is only Asia Minor. Why would a treaty for England be named after Noah’s Ark? And why are only the ancient peoples of England mentioned as “white tribes of Europe”? Where are the Germans, French, etc?

   3. “…Remember at the time Rome surrendered it’s power in 408 AD, England was given the responsibility of fulfilling the articles of the Camel’s Eye Treaty, because England was the second Rome.”

   England was a minor province of the Roman Empire. Most of it was never even conquered by the Romans. England certainly never took over the former territory of the Roman Empire. In 408 AD, England was divided under many rulers and would not be united for many centuries.

   4. “The ROMAN EMPIRE included the Crown of England, France and Spain. To this day, should you follow the bloodlines of the ROYAL FAMILIES, you will find them to be the descendants of the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE or the ROMAKOS who are the descendants of GREEK ROYALTY.”

   The Roman Empire did not include the crowns of those three nations. The British and Greek dynasties are actually both German in origin.

   5. “…And the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14. The Monarchy of any Tribal Government are called: Angels; Daughters of the Great Spirit or Pure Light.”

   What a conspiracy theory about the Bible has to do with Indians is anyone’s guess.

   6. “To be a member of a Signatory Tribe, you must belong to a clan that is ruled by a Clanmother who appoints Chiefs to speak on behalf of her clan. The entire Tribe ruled by Clanmothers, Angels, Pure Light, or Daughters of the Great Spirit, become the Title Owners of the Sovereign Territories.”

   Do they seriously believe that the US or Canadian governments required Native women to be recognized as angels of light before they could sign treaties? Actually, these governments preferred (or more often, insisted) Native treaty signers to be male.

   7. “The exception to this are the 5,6, and 7 Nations that were Indian Tribes created by George Washington”

   They seriously believe that George Washington somehow created tribes?

   8. “The original Iroquois Confederacy was 52 Nations.”

   By such a bizarre claim they just called every keeper of Haudenosaunee tradition a liar.

   Monica Peters of Akwesasne Women’s Fire described on their website how she came to believe in the Camel’s Eye Treaty:

   “I remember when I first heard of the Camel Eye Treaty, back in June 2009. I was involved in a late night discussion with a new group of people that I did not know very well yet. We were talking about personal experiences, world events, dream symbolism, and astrology.

   When I first heard about the Camel Eye Treaty, I was very tired and confused. My brain could not even process the information and how it pertained to my life today. I am very curious to learn every day, so I decided to start researching the topic.

   The Orion Prophecy
   Hieroglyphs
   Astrology as it pertains the location of Pyramids ** See the orion prophecy
   Egyptology
   Eye of Isis
   Obelisk in New York City, behind the Metropolitan Museum
   Symbology
   The Berbers….
   It also makes sense to me that our ancestors have frequently changed their ‘names’ over the years as a survival tactic.

   I believe it is also worth our time to discover the commonalities with our Creation stories and compare those to Egyptology topics that are not government controlled knowledge.”

   In other words, Peters believes that Six Nations oral tradition is false and her elders are liars.

   Instead she chose to believe pseudo-science and fraudulent history that came from Black supremacists or so-called Moorish Science, and not even the profession of Egyptology as she thinks. Peters abandoned the Six Nations traditions that have been a source of strength for her people for centuries for, in her words: astrology, Egyptology, symbology, Orion prophecy, and conspiracy theories about obelisks and the government.

   Not even The De Vinci Code is that unbelievable. Peters firmly denies being a cult member, but certainly she has fallen for ideas that are cult like and ridiculous, with no basis in fact and contrary to every Native oral tradition known.

   For Ernestine Trudeau, she has chosen to ally herself with the militia and sovereign citizen movements that are filled with Quebec separatists, New Agers, and altmedicine quacks. Whether Peters or Trudeau realize it or not, the militia and sovereign citizen movement are a bizarre union of both Black and white supremacists. It is truly a shame that Natives who no longer believe in their people’s traditions get added to that strange alliance.

   So-called Sovran groups are not tribes, nor clans, nor nations. Most importantly, they are not sovereign, never were, and never will be. “Ambassadors” of these groups are almost as delusional as their leaders. These so-called Sovran groups have no hope of succeeding in getting their dubious legal claims recognized. Deep down, I suspect the leaders of these groups realize that, even if the low level members don’t, just yet.

   What these groups offer, as most conspiracy theories and pseudo-history offer, is a false feeling of being special, a naïve notion that its believers hold a secret others don’t know, and a simplistic way of seeing the world that comforts them temporarily. But only temporarily, because the law has a way of catching up with the fast buck con artists that the leaders tend to be. Its followers will likely go their own way, wiser but sadder, and perhaps poorer for any money they threw away.

6. THE PROBABILITY ARGUMENT STATED AND CRITICIZED

   The central idea behind the design argument from probability is that the physical conditions that make life possible on earth are extraordinarily delicate, and their occurrence is more probable under a theistic hypothesis than a non-theistic one. A good example of this is the following from Isaac Newton:

   Were all the planets as swift as Mercury or as slow as Saturn or his satellites [i.e. its moons]; or were the several velocities otherwise much greater or less than they are (as they might have been had they arose from any other cause than their gravities); or had the distances from the centers about which they move been greater or less than they are (as they might have been had they arose from any other cause than their gravities); or had the quantity of matter in the sun or in Saturn, Jupiter, and the earth (and by consequence their gravitating power) been greater or less than it is; [then, in any of these cases,] the primary planets could not have revolved about the sun nor the secondary ones about Saturn, Jupiter, and the earth, in concentric circles as they do, but would have moved in hyperbolas or parabolas or in ellipses very eccentric. To make this system, therefore, with all its motions, required a cause which understood and compared together the quantities of matter in the several bodies of the sun and planets and the gravitating powers resulting from thence…. And to compare and adjust all these things together in so great a variety of bodies, [such a design] argues that cause to be, not blind and fortuitous, but very well skilled in mechanics and geometry. [Letters to Richard Bentley, 1]

   There are two parts to Newton’s argument above. First is his list of ultra-precise physical factors that are needed to keep the solar system just as it is. Second his statement that these factors are not the result of blind forces, but, rather, a cause that is “very well skilled in mechanics and geometry.”

   300 years after Newton, we find the same general strategy in probability arguments for God’s existence, but with an updated list of stumbling blocks in the sciences of biological evolution and astrophysics. For example, the initial emergence of DNA molecules is not easily explained on purely scientific grounds. Other versions mention several ultra-precise physical conditions that are needed for supporting life on earth. If the initial big bang as physicists describe it had differed in strength by only the tiniest amount, life on earth would have been impossible. So too if gravity was slightly stronger or weaker. So too if the sun was slightly larger or smaller. So too if the size of the earth differed minutely. The list of such contingencies is very long and eye-opening. While probability arguments differ in the specific scientific examples they cite, most share a common theme which can be expressed as follows:

   1. The existence of life-sustaining conditions on earth is probable under the theistic hypothesis.

   2. The existence of life-sustaining conditions on earth is improbable under the non-theistic hypothesis.

   3. When considering two competing hypotheses, we should accept the one that offers the more probable outcome.

   4. Therefore, we should accept the theistic hypothesis as the explanation of the world’s life-sustaining conditions.

   The notion of “theism” adopted in premise 1 refers to a specific concept of a supremely intelligent and powerful divine being who is sufficiently motivated to bring about life-sustaining conditions on earth. By contrast, the notion of “non-theism” in premise 2 refers to the idea that blind natural forces brought about those life-sustaining conditions, without any intervention from a divine being. The non-theist doesn’t necessarily disbelieve in a divine being; rather, the non-theist would maintain that if a divine being does exist, it is a vastly different entity than what the theist imagines, and that being played no role in the creation of the cosmos.

   The above argument doesn’t rule out the possibility that many of the life-sustaining conditions on earth are the result of natural causes such as evolution. The point is that a purely naturalistic set of causes is an unlikely explanation of the earth’s ultra-precise life-sustaining conditions. It’s thus more probable that a divine intelligence arranged the conditions, perhaps using some evolutionary forces in the process. Examples of ultra-precise life-sustaining conditions on earth, such as gravitational forces, are compelling, and even religious skeptics should except that life on earth hinges on exceedingly strict physical conditions. What’s at issue, though, is our lack of historical knowledge about what actually took place when the cosmos was formed. We unfortunately can’t travel back in time to the creation of the universe to see whether a divine being was involved in some way. The above argument attempts to fill this knowledge gap by assessing the probability levels of two competing hypotheses.

   Let’s set this argument for God’s existence aside for a moment, and examine a parallel argument that similarly rests on incomplete historical knowledge, specifically knowledge about who really built the pyramids in ancient Egypt. We’re all familiar with the accepted theory by academic historians that the pyramids were built by human Egyptians several millennia ago. But there are many lingering questions about how an early Iron Age civilization could, out of nowhere, develop the complex engineering skills to cut and assemble stones on a monumental scale with such mathematical precision. So mind-boggling were these marvels of the ancient world that contemporaries of the time believed that they were constructed under the supervision of the gods. Several thousands of years after the fact, try as we do, we can’t fully explain the organizational structure that led to their creation, and the explanations academic historians offer are riddled with improbability. Consider, now, an alternative theory that fully answers these questions: the pyramids were built under the guidance of advanced aliens from another star system who long ago traveled through outer space to ancient Egypt. They had superior knowledge and resources which enabled them to meet the pyramid-building challenges with the utmost expertise. With the help of human laborers, they did just that. We’ll call this the “alien hypotheses” in contrast with the traditional view that we’ll call the “non-alien” hypotheses. The specific argument in favor of the alien hypothesis is this:

   a. The existence of pyramid-building technology is probable under the alien hypothesis.

   b. The existence of pyramid-building technology is improbable under the non-alien hypothesis.

   c. When considering two competing hypotheses, we should accept the one that offers the more probable outcome.

   d. Therefore, we should accept the alien hypothesis as the explanation of the existence of pyramid-building technology.

   Clearly, we want to reject the conclusion of this argument, but where does the argument itself go wrong? The flaw is that it assumes a hypothesis in premise (a) which can always be stipulated to have a stronger probability than its rival. This is a case of the fallacy of ad hoc rescue. That is, to rescue a cherished belief from a problem, I specially fashion a new assumption that eliminates the problem. This constitutes a fallacy specifically when there is no good independent reason to accept the new assumption other than that it succeeds in saving my cherished belief. In this case, my cherished belief is that aliens built the pyramids. My new assumption is this: “I hereby stipulate that the ‘alien hypothesis’ entails the view that there are technologically advanced aliens who, upon visiting earth, would probably build pyramids.” This assumption is then used to fix the probability level in premise (a). Yes, this new assumption enables the alien hypothesis to overpower the non-alien hypothesis. However, I have no independent reason for accepting this assumption other than the fact that it rescues my cherished belief in alien pyramid builders.

   Even if the academic historian rejects premise (b) and insists that the non-alien hypothesis is probable, the alien defender can modify his stipulated assumption to match this. That is, he can stipulate that the alien hypothesis entails the view that “there are technologically advanced aliens who, upon visiting earth, would very probably build pyramids.” This surpasses the new probability of the non-alien hypothesis. Further still, if the historian insists that the non-alien hypothesis is extremely probable, the alien defender can match this by stipulating that the advanced aliens, upon visiting earth, “would unquestionably build pyramids.” Again, the alien hypothesis wins. Since we can’t travel back in time to watch the construction of the pyramids first hand, there will always be some gap in our historical knowledge of human Egyptian capabilities so long ago. Even the academic historian must grant that the non-alien hypothesis will never be 100% certain. But a carefully stipulated assumption in the alien hypothesis will always yield a higher probable outcome, and this is the heart of the fallacy.

   The point regarding the alien pyramid builder argument is, of course, that we find this same problem in the probability argument for God’s existence: both rest on the fallacy of ad hoc rescue. In the probability argument, my cherished belief is that a divine being created the world; my new assumption is the following narrowly stipulated view of theism: “I hereby stipulate that ‘theism’ entails the view that a supremely intelligent, powerful and sufficiently motivated divine being, upon creating the universe, would have probably made it to sustain life on earth.” This assumption is then used to fix the probability level of the theistic hypothesis in premise 1. And, as with the alien pyramid builder argument, I have no independent reason for accepting this assumption other than the fact that it rescues my cherished belief in a divine being as creator. Like the pyramid builder hypothesis, the theistic hypothesis can always be crafted to surpass the probability level of its rival. If scientists insist that the non-theistic hypothesis is probable, the theist could say more confidently “I hereby stipulate that ‘theism’ entails the view that an intelligent, powerful and sufficiently motivated divine being, upon creating the universe, would have unquestionably made it to sustain life on earth.” Even if the non-theistic hypothesis was highly probable, it still could not compete with this carefully-stipulated theistic hypothesis.

   Several specific elements of the theistic assumption are crucial for the theistic hypothesis to even appear probable on face value. Specifically, it’s not sufficient to simply stipulate that the divine being has supreme “intelligence”. For all we know an intelligent divine being wouldn’t have any motivation to intervene in the development of the natural world at all. Further, a supremely intelligent divine being might not have the power to intervene even if it wanted to. Thus, the theistic hypothesis must include assumptions about the divine being’s power and motivation, and not just its intelligence. These elements of the assumption, then, serve to establish the probability level of the theistic hypothesis in premise 1. But, like the alien hypothesis, all of these assumptions of the divine being are stipulated without any compelling independent knowledge. I may believe through faith that a divine being is supremely intelligent and powerful, and sufficiently motivated to help guide cosmic development; but that doesn’t count as independent evidence any more than my cherished belief that aliens built the pyramids. What I’m left with is an assumption about a divine creator in premise 1 that I can stipulate any way that I want to, just as I can an assumption about alien pyramid builders.

   There is a more impartial way of wording premise 1 that avoids the fallacy of ad hoc rescue. I might be less precise about the nature of the divine being in question — its motivations, its level of intelligence and power. Accordingly, I might consider the probability of life-sustaining conditions on earth under “the set of all supernatural hypotheses.” I might also be less precise in the level of probability that I assign to the outcome. A revised wording of premise 1, then, is this:

   1’. The existence of life-sustaining conditions on earth has probability X under the set of all supernatural hypotheses.

   The problem with this revision, though, is that I cannot establish what “probability X” might be; there are an infinite number of possible supernatural hypotheses, some might involve ultra-precise life-sustaining activities of a supernatural agent, but others won’t. I have no independent evidence that tells me whether a given supernatural agent would be likely or unlikely to intervene in cosmic development. Without knowing what “probability X” is, I can’t compare the probability of the supernatural hypothesis to the non-theistic hypothesis. So, this modified design argument from probability fails.

   ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS.

   The essence of the above critique is that we can’t invent an unsupported hypothesis, arbitrarily assign it a high level of probability, and then proclaim victory when it surpasses the lower probability of a historically or scientifically grounded hypothesis. The above critique is rather concise, and undoubtedly raises questions that require more detailed explanation. For example, is the theistic hypothesis really without independent reason? Are the theistic and alien hypotheses really comparable? Are the non-theistic and non-alien hypotheses really comparable? Several potential objections are presented here with responses to each.

   Objection 1: The alien hypothesis is a pure invention with no independent reasons whatsoever to back it up. The theistic hypothesis, by contrast, isn’t the same: it’s part of a long cultural tradition that is grounded in personal religious experience. It, thus, has some independent reasons in its support, unlike the alien hypothesis. As such, the probability argument for God does not exhibit the fallacy of ad hoc rescue.

   Answer: The issue of what counts as “support,” “evidence,” “justification”, “warrant” – and a host of related concepts – is a rather thorny matter within epistemology that cannot be resolved here. However, we might very generally distinguish between two types of evidence which, following William James, we can call “tough-minded” and “tender-minded”. Tough-minded evidence is the sort commonly associated with science, which involves empirical observation and repeatable experiments. Tender-minded evidence, by contrast, is less scientific, more intuitive, and affects the choices that we make in our quests for happiness, personal fulfillment, love and community. For many people, religious tradition and experience undoubtedly qualify as tender-minded evidence in these more intimate areas of life; it would be uncharitable for the non-theist to deny this. But there is no tough-minded religious evidence. The road to religious knowledge is littered with failed attempts to scientifically demonstrate life after death, the effectiveness of prayer, the accuracy of prophecy, the veracity of miracle claims. To the extent that religious tradition and experience count as “evidence”, it seems to be restricted to the tender-minded realm. It may very well be the private choice of a theistic believer to give preference to the tender-minded aspects of life over the tough-minded, and the non-theist must respect that right. As such, the theist may personally opt to believe through faith that a divine being orchestrated the life-sustaining conditions on earth. However, the probability argument for God’s existence does more than this: it enters the tough-minded arena of science and attempts to combat the non-theistic hypothesis on its own tough-minded ground. In essence, it misrepresents tender-minded religious evidence as tough-minded evidence. This is most clearly seen in defenses of intelligent design theory, which boldly present their position as a scientific explanation. Thus, to the extent that the theistic hypothesis lacks tough-minded evidence, the probability argument for God is very much like the alien pyramid builder argument and commits the fallacy of ad hoc rescue.

   Objection 2: There’s an important difference between the alien and theistic arguments. In reality, the alien hypothesis has a very low initial probability — and not a comparatively high one as premise (a) in the pyramid builder argument states. In fact, the initial low probability level of the alien hypothesis is assumed in the very fact that the alien argument is put forward as a parody of the theistic argument. To suggest that the theistic hypothesis has a similar very low initial probability begs the question against the theist.

   Answer: In many probability arguments for God’s existence, the initial probability levels of the rival hypotheses are set by something like gentlemen’s agreements. For example, where “1” is the highest level of probability and “0” the lowest, disputants may initially set the probability of both the theistic and non-theistic hypotheses midway at “.5”. Disputants then will increase or decrease the probability levels of the rival hypotheses based on relevant information about either. The key question, though, is why should we extend this gentlemen’s agreement to the theistic hypothesis but not the alien hypothesis? Both lack tough-minded evidence. Both would be supported by their respective advocates for tender-minded reasons. Both have stipulated assumptions that are tailored to support their respective ends – whether it’s pyramid building or the creation of life-sustaining conditions. One obvious difference between the two is that there are substantially more believers in the theistic hypothesis than in the alien one (although there are some actual believers in the latter). But the probability levels here cannot be set by a mere popularity contest; doing so would transform the probability argument for God into an argument from popular appeal, which is not the theist’s intent. In fairness, then, the alien hypothesis deserves the same gentlemen’s agreement that’s offered to the theistic hypothesis. With either hypothesis, an initial probability assignment of “.5” is arbitrary, and a different gentlemen’s agreement might result in probability levels as low as “.1” or as high as “1.” If through agreement we assign a “.1” to the alien hypothesis, the theistic hypothesis deserves the same; or, if we assign a “1” to the theistic hypothesis, the alien hypothesis deserves the same. The strategy of both the theistic and alien arguments, though, is for their defenders to assign probability levels to the theistic and alien hypotheses that are high enough to surpass their respective rivals, whatever the probability levels of those rival hypotheses may be. This begs the question against the rival positions, and the fallacy of ad hoc rescue emerges.

   Objection 3: The probability of the non-theistic hypothesis is so low that it entitles us to consider the theistic hypothesis, even when the theistic hypothesis isn’t backed by independent reasons. By contrast, in the alien pyramid builder argument, the probability of the non-alien hypothesis is high enough that it does not entitle us to consider the unsupported alien hypothesis.

   Answer: We need to be clear about what specific part of the non-theistic hypothesis is improbable, and what the term “improbable” means. On the one hand, if I arbitrarily pointed to some particular planet or moon in the universe, it may indeed be astronomically improbable for it to display life-sustaining conditions. On the other hand, if I am considering the probability that some planet in the universe has naturally-occurring life-sustaining conditions, that’s a different matter. The probability here depends on the size of the playing field – how many solar systems are in our galaxy and how many galaxies are in the known universe. The larger the playing field, the greater the chances. Many researchers believe that the probabilities are very good that life-sustaining conditions occur throughout the universe, and our planet is just one case in point. Premise 1 of the theistic argument states that “The existence of life-sustaining conditions on earth is improbable under the non-theistic hypothesis.” The term “improbable” is a concession that the non-theist may be willing to make, perhaps in the absence of any consensus among scientists about an exact probability level. Nevertheless, it is uncharitable for the theist to maintain that the existence of naturally-occurring life-sustaining conditions is astronomically improbable. While the evidence for the non-theistic hypothesis may be incomplete, it is still backed by enough scientific evidence to prohibit opponents from countering it with a rival hypothesis that lacks any scientific support.

   Objection 4: The purely natural occurrence of at least some life-sustaining features on earth is in fact astronomically improbable, such as the initial emergence of DNA molecules. Accordingly, with respect to these specific ultra-improbable features, the non-theistic hypothesis has no good independent reason in its support; as such it does not parallel the human-pyramid-builder hypotheses which does have independent support.

   Answer: True, some defenders of the probability argument maintain that current scientific evidence doesn’t come close to supporting the non-theistic hypothesis when it comes to these ultra-improbable features. The accuracy of their claim remains to be seen, and rests on biological and astrophysical evidence that is beyond the scope of this essay to explore. For the sake of argument, though, let’s assume for the moment that the non-theistic hypothesis is completely without good independent support with respect to these ultra-improbable features. This means that the non-theist is free to stipulate his notion of “non-theism” any way that he wishes (just as the theist can), such as the following: “I hereby stipulate that ‘non-theism’ entails the view that blind natural forces, upon creating the universe, would have unquestionably made it to sustain life on earth.” Accordingly, the non-theist can revise premise 2 as follows:

   2.’ The existence of life-sustaining conditions on earth is virtually assured under the non-theistic hypothesis.

   The probability argument for God’s existence now becomes a contest between two unsupported hypotheses: the theist’s and the non-theist’s. As worded in the new premise 2’, the unsupported non-theistic hypothesis surpasses the unsupported theistic hypothesis, and the probability argument for God falls flat. The theist could of course respond with a revised hypothesis that matches 2’. The contest will then end in a draw – or perhaps metamorphose into an ontological argument that rests on the hidden implications of “theism” and “non-theism”. The larger point, though, is that the theist is now locked between two horns of a dilemma. If the theist insists that the non-theistic hypothesis is without independent rational support, then there is no probability argument for God’s existence. If on the other hand the theist grants that there is at least some good independent reason to support the non-theistic hypothesis, then the probability argument for God’s existence commits the fallacy of ad hoc rescue.

   Objection 5: There are other versions of the probability argument that are less susceptible to the charge of ad hoc rescue, such as this:

   (1) There are only three possible explanations of the ultra-precise life-sustaining conditions on earth: necessity, chance, and intelligence.

   (2) The life-sustaining conditions on earth are contingent (that is, they could have been otherwise), which rules out necessity.

   (3) The life-sustaining conditions on earth are so improbable that chance is an inadequate explanation.

   (4) Therefore, intelligence is the only explanation left standing.

   When the probability argument for God is presented this way, there is nothing ad hoc in its argument structure.

   Answer: There are two key problems with this alternative argument. First, of the three possible explanations listed (that is, necessity, chance and intelligence), the theist arbitrarily selects “necessity” and “chance” for analysis, eliminates them, and concludes with the “intelligence” option. The non-theist, though, could just as arbitrarily select “necessity” and “intelligence” for analysis, eliminate them, and conclude with the “chance” option. The non-theist’s counter argument, then, is this:

   (1) same as above

   (2) same as above

   (3) There is no independent reason to believe that the life-sustaining conditions on earth are caused by intelligence, which makes this an inadequate explanation.

   (4) Therefore, chance is the only explanation left standing.

   To avoid the charge of arbitrary selection, the argument needs to independently analyze all three options – or, eliminating “necessity” on its face value, at least analyze the two main contenders of “chance” and “intelligence”. This, though, brings us back to the original wording of the probability argument that appears at the outset of this essay, and the fallacy of ad hoc rescue again emerges.

   The second problem with the alternative version of the probability argument is that it commits the fallacy of excluded middle. That is, it presents three options as the only logically possible contenders when there are in fact many others – the total number of which may perhaps be limited only by our abilities to conceive of different metaphysical categories and science fiction scenarios. Hume sufficiently makes this point here:

   In this little corner of the world alone, there are four principles, reason, instinct, generation, vegetation, which are similar to each other, and are the causes of similar effects. What a number of other principles may we naturally suppose in the immense extent and variety of the universe, could we travel from planet to planet, and from system to system, in order to examine each part of this mighty fabric? Any one of these four principles above mentioned (and a hundred others which lie open to our conjecture), may afford us a theory by which to judge of the origin of the world; and it is a palpable and egregious partiality to confine our view entirely to that principle by which our own minds operate. [Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, Part 7]

   Without listing, analyzing and then definitively eliminating all of the logically possible contenders, the “intelligence” option cannot be supported by a simple process of elimination.

   CONCLUSION

   Since the outset of the scientific revolution, theists such as Newton were quick to expose the inadequacies of purely natural explanations of life on earth and conclude instead that a designing mind must be behind the fabric of life. One especially remarkable theistic apologist of this period was William Derham (1657-1735) whose two works Physico-Theology (1713) and Astro-Theology (1715) cataloged virtually every known improbable state of affairs in the biological and celestial realms. But, as science moved forward over the succeeding decades and centuries, two things happened. First, scientists were able to offer compelling natural explanations for many of the phenomena that previously proved so baffling. Second, by pushing the frontiers of knowledge even further, scientists uncovered yet more highly-improbable natural phenomena. A new generation of theistic apologists then cited these new puzzles as clear proofs of a designing mind. Unfortunately the new apologists never set the record straight by conceding that the earlier apologists over-dramatized the old scientific puzzles. Rather, they just forged ahead by announcing to the world how the new puzzles definitively showed the footprints of God in the natural world. With this happening generation after generation, we might be suspicious of every new theistic argument from probability, just as we would the fabled “boy who cried wolf”. But older works like Derham’s are buried in obscurity, and we can’t readily see the historical pattern for what it is.

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