The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves

The Slaves That Time Forgot

By John Martin

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

297 thoughts on “The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves”

  1. I find this entire thread commical! Here the writer SPECIFICALLY states he/she isn’t taking away from what the black and Indian slaves endured, merely educating on their less known counterparts. It is OBNOXIOUS that African Americans and Native Americans TODAY seek preferential treatment and sympathizers for what ancestors they probably cannot even name endured! Yet, here everyone took this article intended to educate and turned it into a racial debate. How ashamed would our ancestors be to know that their sacrifices and injustices were done in vain? To know that they endured the brutality they did in the name of equality and freedom, only for their esteanged decendents to play the card of racial victims.

    Knock it off — you are ridiculous. I could write a book about the tragedies I PERSONALLY endured, only to brush myself off and use those experiences to make something of myself and do great things for myself, my family and others, all without taking a handout, expecting sympathy or special accomodations or playing the victim card! Stop playing this trivial game and do something! Is it tragic what ALL our ancestors endured? Yes! The question is not who’s ancestors were inslaved longer or subject to more brutality, the question is now, today, what are YOU doing to ensure their suffering was not in vain; to ensure you make something of yourself WITHOUT expecting handouts?! There is always going to be someone who claims to have a sadder story, so truly, your points are meaningless and moot!


    2. I believe the point to be made is that the Blacks are not alone in their history. Leaving out white slavery helps the blacks continue with their pity plight thus feeding their reason for lack of self esteem. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on to a new subject. If they focus on improvement and release what happened to their ancestors they can rise above and this will help reduce prejudice, instead of playing the never-ending blame game.

      1. I don’t think that is the point. The point is that white slavery is whitewashed over so that african ancestry becomes known as the ones who were enslaved throughout time…. which has its hand in breeding (and perpetuating) racism over and over again. To see one race as the one subject of slavery subconsciously makes the other beleive that they are somehow superior and makes those of african ancestry as inferior… when that is not the truth. In other words it just feeds the belief of inequality and perpetuates racism both consciously and unconsciously. If you see the need for an improvement in anyone it is most likely that you need to improve.

    3. Genipher & MaryBeth, as with Crypto Jew, ‘John Kerry’, I suspect yours, to be possibly not Irish, & in the same camp.
      (See the ‘Skull & Bones’ link)
      To not know our history, is to not learn. History will then be repeated. The continuing crimes, against our lineages today, are deeply hidden & those secrets are ferociously guarded (Possibly not against your own questionable lineage).
      I take note, that not a mention is made about Jews.
      The Slave Ships / Coffin Ships, were owned by Talmudic Jew Slave Merchants. The Crown & the Bank of England are Jewish Owned. Freemasonry is the Jew Bankers + Royals’ vehicle, to advance their Talmudic Principled, ‘Protocols of Sion’. The Irish are in the center of the Cabal’s Crosshairs :
      The Talmud :

      The Real Holocaust :

      : The ‘Protocols of Sion’ :

      The Crypto Jew ‘Skull & Bones’, which JFK had warned :

      Cap & Gown (Sister fraternity, to ‘Skull & Bones’) :

      Their Choice, for NSA General :

      The Cabal’s “Slow Kill” Murder, against folks such as myself :

      The Secrets of the Federal Reserve, & their Foundations :

      The Cabal’s 911, & JFK’s Murder :

      Let Me Introduce Myself :
      On Face Book, I am , & also , (Yes I was tortured by the Cabal, & I am alive today, thanks to JFK’s brother, Senator Ted Kennedy)

    4. “Knock it off — you are ridiculous. I could write a book about the tragedies I PERSONALLY endured, only to brush myself off and use those experiences to make something of myself and do great things for myself, my family and others, all without taking a handout, expecting sympathy or special accomodations or playing the victim card”

      Classic GOP style, simply intended ( pardon the pun ) to whitewash earlier European tyranny in the americas

      who is asking for handouts? the race based prison caste system in america today would certainly negate any of this fictional “privelege” that conservatives falsely claim minorities are getting too much of.

      and isn’t the holocaust a prime ( if not only ) example of this quest for special status, or does our writer here not see the discrepancy?

    5. The point is America is the only country to constantly remind itself of black slavery. How can we get overcome it if it’s brought up everyday through BS text books, liberals, movies ETC….. The Jewish people had the hardest times of any race (The Holocaust) but they had the mind power to overcome it; now most of them are wealthy. All we ever hear in schools and in everyday life is how bad the black slaves had it and here you are defending the black slave history and acting like the Irish slave trade was nothing. I know what happened to African’s was horrible but every race has been through the same or worse. The Irish slave trade was just as bad as the black slave trade. The Irish just don’t whine and protest about it. Today we still have several slaves and no one seems to care. Asian women and children are being sold as sex slaves but that’s being ignored so we can focus on black slavery. I can’t believe some of you seem to condemn what other races have been through but celebrate and never STFU about the black slave trade. Plus Marybeth is talking about the present; we still have slaves today that are ignored and may as well be forgotten right before our eyes but people act like the African slave trade is still going on. Get in touch with reality, you guys are brainwashed. I hope everyone has a great day; take care.

      1. We aren’t brainwashed, you are. You’re glossing over the African slave trade like it was a walk in the park. While the holocaust was equally bad, remember it only lasted a decade. 10 years compared to Africans being beaten, raped, & killed for over 100 years. I’m not gonna excuse the holocaust as nothing but stop acting as if Jewish oppression was equal to that of black people. It was not. Black people were still getting lynched, tarred & feathered 50 years after slavery ended. I would never tell a Jewish person that they should get over the holocaust because it was a long time ago. That’s just plain wrong. But using them as a scapegoat like “they got over it, you should to.” Is major BS. We’re aren’t the problem. You are. Deal with the fact that your kind committed the most heinous deeds this planet has ever seen to your own brethren. Not just to indigenous Africans, but Polynesians, Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, etc… The list goes on and on. You can’t just say “well, it’s in the past now, move on.” You treated us all like animals. Many of us have inherited mental illness from our ancestors. Post traumatic slave disorder is a real thing. No amount of interracial relationships & biracial children is gonna change that. Evil is evil and Europeans were(lol @ were) evil incarnate. And the scary thing about it is they used God as a way to justify all of what they did and still are doing today.

    6. Folks read one column and think they know all there is to know without comparing and contrasting research. Slavery was a worldwide practice but I challenge anyone to prove that the Irish slave trade was longer and more brutal (using more than just this book) than the Trans-Atlantic slave trade involving Africans. Around 1607 to 1864 when the emancipation proclamation was issued, is the timeline for chattel slavery. One year after the proclamation, the convict leasing system was introduced and wasn’t dismantled until 1945. They are nowhere close in length.

      1. Not to mention Arab imperialism and conquest in the continent of Africa before Europeans showed up. Think, read and do research, folks.

      2. Look man, two separate white populations endured horrible slavery in that same time period. Irish and Russian serf populations were more or less slaves, except that slaves generally ate better than they did. Do your own research into the very long period of serfdom in both countries and tell me that it does not resemble slavery. It is true that racism regarding african americans is still present but honestly Ireland and England still have unbridled hate for each other too. So in short get off the damn high horse about how african americans are special little snowflakes. Life is hard get over it.

  2. all illusions must be killed STOP SAYING UR WHITE IF IT DOESNT MATTER AN WE ARE ALL THE SAME the race card is played by those who created it from bleac in middle english to what the whiggamoor party stole in 1863 .this is how long people have been white then the signed in fo fake white from wight in 1865 ,if it doesnt matter stop signing in checking the race box on ur contracts , handouts u sy what hand outs from what money fronm where what paper the birth certificate situs trus so if they have cattle stoc k bith certificae bonds that are bought an sold on the stock market each day the they get no hnd outs if they give their socal to get benefits from debt instruments monetizzed for them an their children to eat ,that u still use the old archie bunker handout spell tell all need to study muur about bankig an the bank that is the birth certificate from the hospital .u nock it off we didnt eat ur ancestos like cannibles an sell their meat aass steaks for th first meat industry ,,slavery is th least u of the crms being it was corrupted from indentured servitude ,,,irish an italian wasnt pt on census as wwhite until 1950 ,,non are free whte sovereign in 13 14 amenddment ,,=you tube meet your strawman,,stop playing this trivial game saying ur white from noahs ark treaty from 1491 camels eye treaty ,,there will be no full love n peace while ppeople sign into be colors an dead people in all caps on paper ,,this blog an comments are all good ,,did we indiginous bring our problems to the east or europe cleaning its bowels of cagots carrions to cleanse itself they claimed ,, the haand out is to the pedophile invaders an the diseases they bought while eating an rapin their way on the land .their is no race but those who sign into thee priviledge are the first to say forget about the past when we victimized u an too ur land killed r men an claimed inheritance from children of rape of our clan muthers ,rah rah rah in my kundilini my life force but english has corrupted that into meaning something weak an insignificant .putting back in its place what has been replaced is the will of divine matriarchal law

  3. Sad how people who don’t know the subject let alone the history, argue against what is presented instead of educating themselves, Slavery has been practiced since before recorded history, basically when we went from hunter gatherer to organized large city’s with commodity’s (like agriculture ) Slavery was practiced by ALL ETHNICITY”S , even native americans enslaved ribal tribes (mayans) the oldest human remains found in America were not of native americans decent, they were of caucasian and negroid , you think those crossing from asia were peaceful with the natives? Hell no, they did exactly what they were running from pillage and rape till they became a mixed people something every country has and still is doing ( war in Afghanastan…you think our soldiers are just fighting ? look up reports of Us soldiers raping villagers and not done by white alone, mind you) We have so many forms of slavery, financial slavery, marrying for financial security instead of wanting to be together (American divorce rates are high) Slavery is still happening, may always happen, Slavery is just not as readily seen, Slavery is happening in Toledo,Ohio, the sex trade, 1000 american born children , born into the sex trade or forced into it a year, as young as newborn(sick) (no documentation, born on the very bed their mother is chained too and sold or kept) That marijuana your smoking, dealed by organized criminal rings, how do you think they get the money in the first place to buy those drugs, sex trade, so next time you watch a porno, think of the people in it, do you think they really want to do that ? Taking advantage of others should be against the law, and we as people should be actively fighting against poverty and crime. that made in china product, that chocolate bar, that video game, that shirt, the very electronic device you are using to view this post, think of the people who made it, easily found out where an item is made, and how the workers are treated. 15 cents or less a day for 1 bowl of rice for working 15 or more hours strait with no breaks is a horrific way to live. Even fair trade if you research the workers may be children, paid less then a 1 a day, long hours, and a pittance in pay never having a chance to go to school or get medical care, work and sleep, . Every action you do, has an effect. I refuse to buy crops picked by illegal alien farm hands, i don’t support slave wage labor and any company that employs illegal aliens should be heavily fined. Karma, how long before one of mine or your family members or even i or you are in that very predicament, forced to sell their/our body , forced to work for free or cheaply. Americans are being kidnapped every day. sold to other country’s for sex,or free labor. it is hitting everyone everywhere. this is not a racism issue, this is a crime against humanity issue. those missing persons, missing children, you think they are all dead?Look at Jaycee lee dugard she was from a well off family, kidnapped and raped from the time she was kidnapped till the time she was found had giving birth to two children sired by him . And there are many more horrific story;s, look up the No body’s, children born undocumented either raped or sold by their own parents. Slavery is still happening, stop the finger pointing of holier then art though, if you buy a made in china product you ain’t no better, if you ever watched a porno you aint no better, if you bought drugs again no better you are financially supporting the slave trade. My cousin was pimped off by her adoptive fatehr, he took custody of her when she was little, wasn’t found out till she was 17 years old. When police raided his home for child pornography. and she was found in his bed naked with him. tied up and bruised up. the videos and photo’s they found of her from 2 years old to 17 of countless men (and woman) having sex with her. they found other children he had molested or brought to his home and sold, neighbors children, children he was entrusted to watch . Heck there was a woman in arizona charged in a sex trafficking ring, she was babysitting 15 children(boys and girls), all of which she sold for sex , paid to watch them, paid to abuse them she was even pimping out 5 of her own biological kids. . i am going on a rant, but i am tired of this happening, this century has the highest recorded slavery rate then any other (27 million people world wide a year are enslaved today and thats on the low estimate) That enslaved person could be me, or you, your child, my child, a friend,a parent, man , woman, child , rich, poor , black, white, asian, hispanic, indian. could happen to anyone, stop pointing fingers and actively fight against slavery. fight against taking advantage of others. don’t support slave wage labor. your money, your actions, as mine do effect the whole and may effect you one day. . We in the U.S.A have many internal problems(like any where else in the world), poverty, racism, pollution, crime’s, social inequality, non equality , SLAVERY, starvation. economy should we not fix our own glass house before casting stones at others or trying to fix others problems?

  4. Just a point to add – by critical estimate I reckon there are more than 6 billion slaves on earth! An even worse form of slavery lives on and it belongs the realms of the immaterial mind, and most dangerous, for in its subtlety most of the slaves erroneously believe they are free!

  5. I just started reading about this and find it very interesting. Does anyone recommend any books or others means of learning about the topic? I don’t know much about my ancestry only that my grandparents were both Irish orphans, My grandfather from New York and grandmother from Alabama. Thank you.

  6. caucasion,remains,are,no,older,the,7000,years,old,we,were.indiginous,at,least100,000

  7. it,would,,be,called,america,before1492,native

    1. im irish, never known any racism against anyone, unless they wanted a new house somewhere and needed a reason to get out of their old one

    2. People are not racist towards blacks who follow societies rules. Its the crime ridden, fatherless, raping, white hating, gun packing ghetto people who would rather rob you than stay in school. I will never accept that culture. The Irish pulled themselves up and became respected members of the community. A high percent of blacks have done the same but some think the USA owes them well they stay stoned and make more welfare babies. Until that element changes, there will always be racism.

      1. You are child-like in your assumptions. According to you “the Irish pulled themselves up”. I ask you, are there no more Irish on welfare? Non fatherless, uneducated, in prison? I am sure you won’t claim that the whole Irish clans became self-reliant and successful before discrimination against them eased up. Why use a different measure for African Americans whom you disrespectfully address as “black”? Look again at yourself in the mirror…

        1. Yeah. Um. you are not african american. Unless you were born in Africa. As a 3rd gen ethiopian, I don’t even use that term and I have more right to it as you do.

          What african identity is there? No such thing exists. Africa is a continent that houses many different countries. Ethiopia is not the same as Nigeria.

          You are a black (brown) skinned American.

          The rest of your post is on point. People should hold others to a different standard. But there is one major difference.

          When a white american comes into contact with a black american and something negative happens, racism is automatic. Why is that? It’s usually the black person that pulls the race card. Interesting.

          1. In 2011, there was a man by the name of Ken Mieske who died in an Oregon prison. Apparently he suffered complications from Hepatitis C. Why was we even in prison? He was serving a term for the brutal slaying of an Ethiopian immigrant back in 1988. Ken Mieske was a member of a Portland white supremacist, skinhead group who referred to themselves as East Side White Pride. Mulugeta Seraw, the Ethiopian victim, came to the United States to attend college. He had hopes and dreams and a great future ahead of him. On that fateful night, Ken Mieske and others confronted Mr. Seraw and his colleague, but the group savagely left Mr. Seraw dying in his own pool of blood. His skull was left crushed between a baseball bat and a hard pavement. The moral is, you can’t always judge people when negative interactions take place. Mr. Seraw was not playing ‘the race card’ he was just not the right color that night. Whether he was a brown skinned American, as you say, or a even a 5th generation immigrant didn’t matter to those particular hate filled people. Sometimes these things do actually happen in America. Really.

  8. Bought and sold,
    Today a story retold,
    Oh those of Barbados
    Who are now not with us
    Be rememdered, not ridiculed.
    For all of our children,
    A million to Billion,
    Risk this Servitude.

  9. This might explain why my Dad couldn’t find records of his ancestors in the 1700s. They were in New England and Dad was part Scotch Irish.

  10. I am Irish and proud. I have reddish-blonde hair and blue eyes. “NEWS BULLETIN:” I am white. Pink according to the Rastafarians. I know this much: After the Blacks were released from enslavement in the late 1800s in America, they were paid better wages than the Irish were. Fact: The American Irish were treated worse than Blacks after the abolition of slavery; yet the Irish have gotten over this treatment because they are hard-working and determined to succeed. They aren’t trying to abuse the system by playing the “victim role” forever & ever and attempting to get everything they can for free because of how they were treated almost 150 years ago. John F. Kennedy was assassinated partly because he was an Irishman in the Oval Office. Other people are also still comfortable with making fun of those of us who have red hair. Having red hair has even been spoken of in American media as being “undesirable.” This is a direct attack on red-headed people as if we should be exterminated or something. The Irish are still being strongly discriminated against in America.

    1. MacPheadair,

      You sound like an angry, white, racist nut who just went off on a tangent. Go back to stormfront, niggermania, chimpout or any other of the millions of racist whites websites that are obsessed with all things black because there you will get some sympathy. You won’t get any here.

      I wish it was over 150 years ago that black girl hair was burnt at my school. I wish it was over 150 years ago someone wrote “all niggers must die” all over my daughter’s school. I wish it was over 150 years ago my 15 year old brother was placed in the back of a police car and was told to confess to vandalism. I wish it was 150 years ago that white kid, yes white kid stole my brother’s lunch money yet the principal gave the white kid my brother’s money because he said it was his. I wish it was 150 years ago when I was crossing the street and the white guy yelled “nitch” to me. I didn’t even know what a nitch was. I had to ask a white friend. I wish it was over 150 years ago, I was called a nigger by two white males while I was walking in the walmart parking lot. I wish it was a 150 years ago when that white man called me a nigger monkey, told me to go back to where I came from and should die while I was minding my own business. I wish it was 150 years ago when I stopped at the rest stop to use the washroom and the white man said to me, “there aint no friend chicken in here.” I wish it was 150 years ago when that white man called me a crackhead whore. No, I am not on crack nor do I look like anyone on crack. I wish it was a 150 years ago when a white teacher told me that she has 2 sons, one white and one black and the white one is treated far better than the black one. Maybe you should tell my white teacher to get over it because racism does not exist. I was actually shocked when she admitted to us that racism exists because this is not something whites are willing to admit. Racism or white terrorism of black people is a boogeyman or a spook that is only part of black people’s imagination. I could tell you more but this would go on forever.

      You want to say that the Irish were treated unfairly after the enslavement of black people ended and you expect us to believe that when the Irish became white? The mistreatment of the Irish ended when they started to receive recognition for their white skin – they became members of that newly constructed white club. According to Race Traitor, “The white race is a historically constructed social formation. It consists of all those who partake of the privileges of the white skin in this society. Its most wretched members share a status higher, in certain respects, than that of the most exalted persons excluded from it, in return for which they give their support to a system that degrades them.

      The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race, which means no more and no less than abolishing the privileges of the white skin. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue, domestic and foreign, in US society.

      The existence of the white race depends on the willingness of those assigned to it to place their racial interests above class, gender, or any other interests they hold. The defection of enough of its members to make it unreliable as a predictor of behavior will lead to its collapse.” If you have a problem with the above comment, go here

      1. I too wish it was 150 years ago when a car with a black woman driving and 2 black men who abducted my grandmother…..the woman drove around while my grandmother was raped, when they were done with her, they dumped her like trash in a alley.

        I wish it was 150 years ago when I was walking through a black neighborhood to visit a black female friend of mine, only to have the ‘All Black’ neighborhood come out of their houses, spitting on me, threatening my life, threatening violence, using racial slurs and harassing me.

        I wish it was also 150 years ago when I was a young girl in school…..walking down the hallway alone, only to be attacked by 12 young black boys, held down, hit and fondled..everywhere, while making racial slurs towards me.

        Nothing…..and I mean NOTHING was done about it, because they said I accused them because I was the Racist, so they claimed. Ironic, I was called racist from the very people who were being racist towards me.

        I wish it were 150 years ago, during the slave period when the entire TRUTH was told about ALL of the slavery…….but no, the only time I hear about slavery is when it is about the black man.

        I wish it were 150 years ago when a black man wanted me to dance with him and I declined……just because of that……….a scene was made by him yelling, pointing, shoving me in-my-face on how much of a racist that I was.

        I find insult to injury that the white slavery (white servant….same thing) is shrugged off as ‘Not as Bad’ as what the blacks had endured, when in fact, the white slaves endured the same horror’s as the black man.

        It is suppressing History that we all have the right to know about all of our ancestors and the hell that they had endured.

        I also find it to be a insult that white people in general are blamed for slavery, when ALL people from ALL nationalities have either been slaves and/or slave owners.

        And then, white people are labeled as the Racist……..when Racism is not bias to one group of people.

        1. You wish it were 150 years ago what? Black people raped your mythological grandmother, and then beat your pink ass up? You are either ignorant of history or just a forked tongue pink devil. Which one are you??

          1. It was mockery dumb ass…………..

            I have black ancestors who were slaves and I get tired of hearing about the fucking race card everyone uses because of something that their ‘Ancestors’ had endured……….not them.

    2. @MacPheadair: No, you ain’t Irish. If you were, you wouldn’t be telling thoses lies.
      “The American Irish were treated worse than Blacks after the aboliton of slavery”
      Really? I wish I could list all the facts proving this is a very distorted view of reality, but I could do so with a real Irish, not someone who still probably thinks America got so rich by hard-work.
      “They aren’t trying to abuse the system by playing the “victim role” forever & ever and attempting to get everything they can for free because of how they were treated almost 150 years ago”
      What system are you talking about? A system based on lies, crime, injustice, murders??? I guess you must also think that Blacks are to be blamed for what happened to them.
      No you ain’t irish. Even if you have got irish ancestry, they are certainly weeping in the Other World, by hearing your lies. You are dishonouring their memory.

      1. This is a special month for all Americans, so I wanted to play my part in the commemoration. Don’t be afraid! It’s the truth! Just because you were lied to all your life, that isn’t my fault! Just listen to the truth & deal with it! You don’t have to like it! Just accept it! If you don’t like hearing it, you know what to do!

    3. but red hair is not just an irish thing, infact its considered more of a scottish thing as there is a higher percentage of red headed people. the irish are considered to be black hair and blue eyes with very pale skin. but your lucky, i always wanted red hair with green eyes.

  11. I’d like to add a few comments to a debate that is so tense and a deep core issue with many millions of people. I don’t want to offend anybody, but with the depth of hurt and the complexity of the subject it is almost impossible not to offend anybody. (I will offend a certain person if he pours ignorant anger on me), as I’m sure he will.
    I think that Blacks and Whites are very different in temperament and in aspiration. Good behaviour to Black people, what they would like to achieve, or have during their lifetime, their idea of good society is very different than that of White people, This is because of CLIMATE and our many thousands of years living far apart, in separation.
    If Africans had massive well ordered wealthy cities, and needy White people were immigrating on a huge scale, the White people would be unable to match the Blacks at Black ruling culture and would feel, and be treated as inferiors. No dis-respect to Blacks in this, it would be largely the fault of the White people not being able to adjust to the climate, expectations and culture of their Black bosses. Kindly Black people would say that “Though White people are so bad at the important things, still many of them fit in quite well, and seldom cause trouble, and it’s fair to say that they do add something good to the life of our city.” Many of the White people, the more successful ones, would have become “Black” and would respect their bosses and the whole culture of the city.

    Though our cultures are so different we are at heart brothers and sisters. I’ve used the terms Black and White to highlight the CULTURAL differences between us, in reality we are all one, all equally admired and loved by God.

    I will steer clear of the over-sensitive areas, so for now, peace brothers and sisters.

    1. Mcmalachy,

      You are just another filthy disgusting stormfront troll. What aspirations and tempetaments of black are different than anyone else? The shit you just spewed had nothing to do eith the above article but more with white racist, paranaoia and sense of supremacy. What is wrong with inferior superior thinking creatures whose only purpose on earth is to corrupt, destroy and pervert all that is good about the planet. If you thought no one would see through your racist rhetoric think again.

      Then again, knowing how perverse and morally bankrupt the lot of you wbo refuse to become human beings, you might actually enjoy the certain someone on here you refused to name.

      Now, go and learn about who truly has a different temperament and aspirations from the rest of humanity. Whites have organization, NAMBLA whose only purpose is to molest (nice way of saying force fuck aka rape) children as young as 6. Many of you are a race if sick, twisted, denented animals.

      1. Mcmalachy,

        If you mean different temperament as in black people’s refusal to normalize persions such as the one noted above, marry one’s grandmothrt, gender confusion and other anti nature behaviours, vive le difference. The white race is working hard to normalize insanity because so many of them are affected by the insanties noted above. No where in the brown/black world would perversion be accepted as normal if it were not for gun and other weapons of mass destruction and distraction being waived by the pink people. Maybe your dwindling numbers is natures way of cleaning up the earth.

        1. and thats not raciest at all? bad people do bad things, its not a question of skin color. sociopaths are attracted to positions of power (e.g. police, politicians, heads of corporations etc) they dont care about ANYONE (which is why shit is happening everywhere) and peoples all over the world are being lied to, but we have a great tool of power now – the internet which will dispel myths and lies when we start to know and understand each other.

        1. Yes, most, 99%, of white people are disgusted that something like NAMBLA could even exist, and most are convinced that the habitual harming of young children could never be allowed in a civilized society, and so they aren’t, at present too alarmed about it. They could well be wrong.
          As regards the protection of the very very young, are black people and white people similar in protecting the life of their unborn children?

  12. sailor moon,
    I suppose from your reference to “Stormfront” that you are have chosen to come and live with white people in Europe. If that was your choice, and you didn’t believe that white people had all the faults that you list above, well you believe it now. The only course open to you is to go to where white culture has little influence, otherwise you will be a resentful square peg in a round hole, until you are buried, still unhappy, among white people. Four fifths of the worlds people are not white, they are a small minority, so you can consider that.
    I have visited Stormfront only once, three years ago, and I despise anything that provokes disharmony between people, so I wrote to Stormfront, asking them to be constructive and calm, not name-calling and emotional. My hope is that we all learn from each other, not insult each other, we all have so much to learn. that was my only intention when I wrote the comment above.

    1. Malachy,

      Sure you wrote to Stormfront. You are a number one blogger on Stormfront, niggermania, chimpout and the millions of websites hosted by inferior superior thinking inferior beings who obsessed about black people. White people are so obsessed with black people that they write songs about them, they make videos about them, they have websites about them, they make scientific experiments for and about them, and the list goes on. I even went to a martin luther king website that was hosted by a bunch white racist who are obsessed with black people. White people we get it, you hate black people but why the “shrines?” The other so called races hate black people as much as you but none have shrines to black people. They mostly focus on improving their own lot.

      And I take it from your comments that this site has taught you nothing, Malachy. Please enlighten us as to what are the temperament and aspirations of black people are. Here I was thinking that I had the same dreams and aspirations as anyone else. Or are you lead to believe that black is a culture and not a so called race – a race with many subcultures just like any other so called race.

      With your racially reverse example, you claimed that, “No dis-respect to Blacks in this, it would be largely the fault of the White people not being able to adjust to the climate, expectations and culture of their Black bosses. Kindly Black people would say that “Though White people are so bad at the important things, still many of them fit in quite well, and seldom cause trouble, and it’s fair to say that they do add something good to the life of our city.” I must add, you kindly left out the 500 plus years of white terrorism on black people as captives in theirs and foreign lands which kind of lead to the underdevelopment of some. To say that black people have not accomplish much is an understand statement and I believe that is what you were implying when you said, “though white (black) people are so bad at the important things…’ Please elaborate on the important things black people are so bad at.

      Tonight, I watched a documentary on Dr. Percy Julian, a black chemist who was born in 1899. Dr. Julian was good at the important things but angry, jealous white mobs still terrorized the doctor and his family. Despite white onslaught, white terrorism, white obstacles, Dr. Julian became a well respected chemist. And since many of the black chemist could not find work with white owned companies because they were told, “we do not hire you kind” they found work with Julian Laboratory. There are many others like Dr. Julian who made great strides despite white terrorist onslaught while others gave up. Do tell me how much the likes of you could have accomplished with fire bombs being thrown at your home, animals setting fire hoses on you for asking for an end to the terrorism, wife and children being murdered in front of you, houses and churches being burnt down, husbands being tied to vehicles and dragged to their deaths, babies being fed to animals by animals, husbands being hung, being denied employment despite being qualified and the list goes on. I say African Americans lived under constant terrorism and scrutiny well up on till the 1990s.

      Many black people may not be able to remember the names of their relatives that underwent slavery but they can still remember their family members who were terrorized by whites. Some are still alive to tell about. White racism may not be so openly inflicted physically but many of us feels is psychologically. I am not that old and I can tell you of how I have been terrorized by whites. Next time you think of what modern black people had undergone at the hands of white terrorists (original terrorists) before you speak of different temperament and aspirations. My 80 something year old friend was told, “that is not a job for blacks” and could not find work after completing her PhD in psychology. In your view the blacks only had slavery to work about which none of them had personally experienced.

      And since you came on a Rastafarian page to attack black people, I suppose you believe that all black people share the same culture and all black people share the same beliefs and ideology of Rastafarians.

      If you want to learn about black aspirations do a Google search, don’t take your racist friends word for it. There is more to black people than the black stereotype you hold all black people to. I saw the cynicism in your stupid remark, braying white donkey.

  13. Sailor moon and IamaBrayingWhiteDonkey,
    I believe that “African-Americans”, ( Americans really), are as American as George Washington, Marlyn Monroe, or any icon of American identity. I mistook sailor moon as a recent immigrant to Europe, who hadn’t made the necessary effort to adapt and fit in. I apologise to sailor moon for this. Since America IS your society, it is essential to change the attitudes of those racists, mainly white, who are holding back the full unfolding of all American society.
    In Europe no German would be upset if you told him Germans and Greeks are very different in temperament and in aspiration, likewise no Scottish person would be upset if you told him that Scottish and Spanish people are very different in temperament and in aspiration. We have lived as seperate cultures for thousands of years, and in very diverse climates, each nation is very different in temperament and in aspiration, it is a core value to us, we are glad to have our own identity, and to be different to our neighbours. No insult was intended to anybody in my first comment.
    I repeat, what I said in my second comment, I despise hate websites such as Stormfront, I wrote to them once, three years ago, asking them to be calm and constructive rather than be insulting, emotional and self-harming. I never visit any racist or hate site, those who enjoy them are the road to Hell as far as I’m concerned.
    Some people would like me to clarify what I meant in my first comment, and I will, if only to show that I think diversity and identity are worth protecting.

    Can I leave you with a great question? What is the core identity of the American people?


    1. McMalachy shut the f*** up and stop posting on this forum! That goes for all of you other racists too! All humans have the same needs and share aspirations of happiness, success, love and security you moron. Our interests may be a bit different but we all strive for the same basic goals, provide for ourselves, families, and to enjoy our lives. Yes if you said Scotish ppl have different aspirations than English or visa versa that would be offensive why don’t you go to Scotland or England and try it out! You have no idea what the hell your talking about and are wasting everyone’s time with racist remarks, so take a break.

  14. I am surprised by the rage and accusations roused by what were innocent observations. I will state exactly what I meant, hoping to show that no offence was intended.

    Observation 1 : I think that North Koreans and Chinese are very different in temperament and in aspiration. Good behaviour to North Koreans, what they would like to achieve, or have during their lifetime, their idea of good society, is very different than that of the Chinese. This is because of CLIMATE and many thousands of years living far apart, in separation.
    Instead of North Koreans and Chinese, Vietnamese and Russians can be used, or any other combination of people whose ancestoral base is not from the same climate and region.

    Observation 2 : If Parrots had massive well ordered wealthy cities, and needy Sparrows were immigrating on a huge scale……. This whole comment is exactly as it appears on the surface, an objective account of what usually happens when people must immmigrate into the Assyrian , Chaldean, Egyptian, Roman, American, empire. I suppose that it was almost impossible for those taken captive by the Babylonian Empire to ever forgive or respect their captors.

    Observation 3 : Kindly Parrots would say that “Though Sparrows are so bad at the important things, (The things that seem important to us Parrots)…. Here one can name some of the values of the Parrots, and see how the Parrots would not appreciate the dull obsessive attention to detail, the possessivness, or the poor social graces of the Sparrows.

    I hope these are all innocent observations.


    1. You need to tell me what those important things are you? Do you mean things like invading other people’s countries and destroying their lives and way of life because they are different from you? Do you mean important things like placing Native American (Canadian) children in residential schools to make them more “white” but instead the children were raped, beaten and murdered by the ones proclaiming to be more civilized? The residential schools were not too long ago. I believe the last one closed in the 1990s. Do you mean things like robbing people of their natural resources like how Britain stole that diamond from India and then tell them you are not getting it back? Aren’t there stolen rubies in the crown, too? Please I need to understand how a racist thinks. Do you mean important things are keeping people in abject poverty, making their lives a living hell with constant terrorism? And then you turn around and say, “see those blacks are lazy and are not human beings,” while failing to realize no one can reach their full potential living under constant terrorism. quit begging them for a job and open your own business then some white bastard come and burn down your business and have the nerve to call you lazy and subhuman. That happened to a black woman about 10 years ago. There were many before her who had their businesses burnt to the ground because they were more successful. Buy a home in an affluent neighbourhood only to have your home burnt to the ground, wife and children terrorized, running out in the cold dead of night to escape the fire. And the bastards who are terrorizing you have the nerve to call you subhuman making tapes, videos, websites, songs about you. I personally believe white racism is a mental disorder, not that other races are not racist against black people, but none are so violent as a white racist. She wasn’t even trying to cater to whites but they feel the need to burn down her livelihood. Imagine a time when the terrorism was more popular like from the time of slavery and well up into the 1990s for African Americans.

      I have never once contemplated how different we are as humans, I have always managed to see similarities and the good in some people. Understandably, I don’t think you have travelled much. Maybe you should get outside. When you go shopping buy some liver cleaning herbs. I once read somewhere that the liver holds onto a lot of emotions. Maybe most white racists have liver problems and that would explain their need for so much hatred and violence. After all, white racists seems very emotionally charged and passionate about their aspirations and temperament. And keep the colon clean. You will have much better disposition. Eat more foods in their natural form as much as possible.

      Try focusing less on differences. No matter where I go the thing I have always take note of is, the fact that people are not all that different. Take of your colour coded lenses and you will see what I mean. I have no idea what you mean by parrots, sparrows and the above bullshit. Since you did a lot more observations on differences, please inform what the aspirations and temperament of black people are and I want concrete examples, no birds and bullshit.

  15. IamALonelyWhiteBrayingDonkey,

    Violence breeds violence, and the terrible terrible things your friends, your family, and yourself have had to go through over the years,is unendurable,and has its roots in the long term violence and injustice which robbed African people of their right to live in peace in their own land, which drove the enserfed, robbed, and emotionally injured white people off of their land, and sent all to live in America as the subjects of the criminal white European elite, those who had robbed both “races” in the first place. It is incredible to think that an act of terrible violence, perpetrated three hundred years ago on our great…….great grandparents is still destroying our lives today. It is a small consolation to believe that those who organized such horror are now facing horror of a much greater magnitude in the afterlife. Because they no longer go around wearing crowns, dressed in sumptuous clothes, riding in in golden carriages, planning wars, does not mean that they have gone away. It would be naive to think they have, they were very real when they destroyed your society and ours, and they are very real now. Their days are numbered, and they will go to their master.
    The aspirations of badly educated, stupid racists are a nasty by-product of the activities of this mainly white criminal elite. “Black-Americans” have never asociated themselves with this culture and can hold their heads up high on Judgement Day.
    I have visited several countries over the years, but I have never visited America, so I really couldn’t describe the aspirations or the temperament of “Black-Americans”, I believe that is really very important to know these things, ( Our full growth as human beings depends on a deep understanding of ourselves and our own People), and it is likely that since you all were violently seperated from your ancestral culture, with no contact whatsoever since that day, your ancestral consciousness has closed down, gone asleep, and only by your own research can it be re-awakened.


  16. This story was supposed to be directed to the Irish Slave Trade. You[‘re ALL a bunch of racists, INCLUDING sailor moon. The Irish were still being brought here as indentured servants AFTER the emancipation of the brownish-purples. The red-headed pinks were still “slaves” after slavery was abolished for the African captives. There’s the real truth for you dummies. They were forced to make war against the South when they arrived here,and they were spit upon while stepping off the ships at Ellis Island. That’s the facts, and if you don’t defend this truth, YOU ARE THE ONE dishonoring those people from the Old World. Dummy.

    1. Mc Pheadair,
      If you have included me in the bunch of racists, I would like you to give a very short list of any racist comments I made in my previous comments.

      The Irish, having been robbed and evicted by the English Crown, starved into working for the immigrant Crown criminals who had robbed them, despised and sneered at for being POOR, categorised as being of menial nature by the scum of Cromwells invaders and by those marvellous products of an Eton education, (currently murdering and robbing Afghani’s), were not exactly at home in a country ruled by a similar type of person to those who had invaded them. The majority of Irish people spoke mainly Irish and knew little English when starvation, opression, or slavery drove them to America, they were prey to every petty official and every conman who dealt with immigrants.

      McPheadair, Rasta Livewire is mainly about Black identity and the place of Black people on the world stage, this section is part of a bigger whole, my long, non-racist comments were in keeping with the bigger picture. Irish and Black people have a common enemy and they aren’t Black.


    2. Hey Irishmen! Guess what as soon as the civil war was over in 1864, guess what, the Irish who fought got to home and be white. The Irish who chose to immigrate to American due to the potatoe famine had it tough yes but also got to enjoy being white in America which kinda became a big deal when civil war reconstruction failed and Jim Crow laws and segregation took slavery’s place. Many irish ppl today in phily and new your are very wealthy and were able to make it because they benefited from being white under segregation. Stop making incorrect historical statements, your all better than that!

  17. Some people in the Jewish culture in NY try to say that most of the Irish in the US came here with money and pretty much live like royalty I always found that strange that they should think that

    1. I’m fascinated by the Jews and their attitudes, if there is any body who knows why Jews would believe that about the Irish, please tell me.

  18. I gather that all those pedophile Irish Catholic priest were made to do it by the Brits. They are really quite the limit.

    1. All Catholic priests are obliged to give up sexual intimacy and gratification for life. They lead a hardworking life, where they are available to everybody at any time, they get little privacy or leisure, but quite a lot of hardship and lonliness. There is little surprise that 5% of them are unable to continually live up to such high standards. The vast majority of priests do live lives of purity for the sake of God’s Kingdom, for the sake of God’s people.
      Paddy, if you read better books and asked more questions, you could be a kinder person.

      1. Come on Malachy there must be some sense in your brain. How is that Catholicism fails to denounce all abusive priests, punish them harshly, and move forward by allowing priests to married. Guess what Eastern Byzantine Catholic Priests can get married, so can all Orthodox Preists so maybe the Church needs to make a few adjustments. And if you read the New Testament you might understand jesus’ teachings were not about purposeless self Sacrafice and living in poverty like many catholic priest and monks attempt to live but to be leaders of character and teach people how to love each other. It’s kinda hard to accomplish that goal if you can’t fulfill basic human needs like have a spouse.

  19. I now understand the “rift” between Ireland and England! Why has this been kept so quiet?

    1. Wouldn’t it be great if Hollywood made a truthful movie about Irish Slavery!!!! I’m getting a bit overloaded with a seemingly constant stream of Oh-doez- Poh-Black movies.

      1. Amalia, Irish slavery isn’t that popular because it involved only a few thousand ppl between 1600 to 1700, African Slavery involved a much more massive slave trade and slave population of well over 400,000 in chains that led to a civil war where 1 million lives were lost with old technology and no air power. That’s hard to do with muskets even rifled muskets with mini ball and still fails in comparison to millions of African Slaves who died in chains or their ancestors who were faced with segregation! The Irish were not victims of black codes and segregation for the next 100 years. That’s why this Irish slavery info isn’t mention in films or texts.

  20. Someone finally has the integrity to tell the whole truth and bring this information to intelligent thinkers who know what they learn in school is either incomplete or a lie . I am glad there are networking sites like FB that allow people to post the truth. Up till now we have been sold a lie by mainstream media and only given the side of the story that want to tell. I want the truth, and not a manipulated version of what a media giant wants me to know. I blame mainstream media for the conflict in this country between people. Let’s admit that there have been no culture in history that have not suffered at the hands of others. Slavery in the western states existed long after the Emancipation Proclamation, which did not effect them. These were Native-American slaves, and we never hear about them, either. Thank you for an honest and truthful article.

    1. True there were Native American slaves and Chinese slaves that worked on the railroads but the thirteenth amendment to the constitution outlawed slavery and would have lead to racial equality if that prick southern confederate Andrew Johnson was not elected president after Lincoln.

      1. McMalachy I apologize for attacking your responses multiple times. I should not have been so harsh however I stand by my opinions on the topics

  21. i am a descendent of the Irish slaves of barbados.
    the Irish slaves were the first slaves on the island some 15 years before any African slave set foot on barbados soil.
    it is well hidden it seems for tourism reasons.
    WERE THE JEWS .after slavery was abolished in barbados in
    1845.and in america a short time later!see-

    1. umm…my friend the truth of the matter is the Irish that were sent to Barbados were in fact Black people of Ireland. While there were some whites or mullatoes in the mix as well the majority were Black. Some references you might want to review would be the National Dictionary of Biography edited by Stephen Leslie and Virginia Colonial Militias by Mr. Bockstruck. just to name two. Furthermore, much of the reason the Irish were treated and even at times clumped together with negroes is because much of the modern Irish were mulattoes. During the Jacobite Rebellions many of the Black Irishmen or Wild men as they were known were slaughtered and were victims of genocides. The ones that weren’t were sent to the Islands as servants/slaves. Others mixed with the white population or “passed”. Many people don’t know this history which is why it can be confusing to some. Historian David Mac Ritchie wrote extensively on this topic as well in his book “Ancient and Modern Britons Vol 1.

  22. Every race throughout history has been a slave at one point in time, the Irish are no different. Even Darwin diminished the value of the Irish by placing them as the least of all other races. And this stands to this day as the idea of evolution becomes more and more accepted. The only difference is the Irish no longer use it as a crutch for acceptance. And that is what sets us Irish apart.

  23. I used my real name for this response for a purpose. I think the name “Sean Findley” sounds Irish enough.

    It is true that the Irish were treated like dogs up until the middle of the 20th century. I have no idea why. For such a small nation, there have been so many literary and scientific geniuses. Playwrights extraordinaire.

    I think reparations might be due to the descendents of all who have been enslaved.

    But America shouldn’t be held accountable.

    England and the Netherlands need to pony up some cool cash and rest their souls.

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