The Slaves That Time Forgot
By John Martin
They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.
Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.
We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?
King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.
The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.
The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.
In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.
This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.
England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.
There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.
There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.
In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.
But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.
Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?
Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.
None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
http://afgen.com/forgotten_slaves.html
Eli Agustus Riply says Eveloution has come to an impass, we can go no further, If a world cannot and will not forgive the trespasses of others, then all of our acheivements of good things will fall by the way side, and we the population of the world, will be found wanting.
Great old read “to hell or barbados” damien dempsey wrote it
reat lyrics and great mellody
brendan
ireland
Great article and it was well worth the read, I have a website for the creators and the people who visit this website to help everyone learn more on Irelands dark past. http://www.irishholocaust.org/
Once again great article and thanks for posting it.
From my brief research and my study, I am starting to come to the conclusion that the Irish where/are descendants of the Tribe of Dan. GOD put the Israelites into slavery on ships. Deuteronomy 28:68 and they had yokes of iron put around their necks. Deuteronom 28:48 and th Latinos, Negroes, and Native Americans fit those curses in the bible, but now with further studying the Tautha de Danaan are Israelites and that would be the Irish. The tribe of Dan. The Spartans, Vikings, Celts, Nordics, etc all might also be Israelites too.
I hope that I am miss reading your post and you do not actually believe that God would enslave people like this. Enslavement and racism is a manmade idea that is used for economic and political purposes. If no one profited from it, these concepts wouldn’t exist.
I think you are a moron. Your closest kin are the palestinians, why not claim them, they are genetically identical to the israelites?
Okay. There is so many assumptions and personal opinion in the comments people have left here it is detracting from the original argument. There seems to be little in the way of strong facts. I understand that there are white people in the caribean, but didn’t James II have thousands of English people sent there as slaves after the defeat of the Duke of Monmouth at the Battle of Sedgemoor?
I persay would not deny this incident ever occured, but where is the evidence ? Anyone can write a story or say anything…In regards to this topic, but where are ship documents, records, post, ect ect. ?
We know that in any court of law, one has to provide evidence to prove such an incident did occur, otherwise it’s a “claim”
Evidence of genocide? Where is the evidence of African or Indian slaves? Where is the evidence of the Armenian Holocaust? All we have is historical accounts. There is no “hard evidence” and there are no living slaves to ask.
I personally think focusing on any one ethnic group is a huge waste of time. We should all accept that slavery and genocide are abhorrent and intolerable, then move on(especially since basically all Americans have Irish, African, and Indian ancestry).
This article is an important read.
We should all demand nothing but complete knowledge. The importance and relevance that is being taught in our schools concerning slavery seems to be nothing more than “white people were horrible to black people” when it should focus more on the atrocities of ALL slavery (which GREED not RACE is the driving force)… The greedy people in this world are sick, and what is being done to help them?
Thank you for bringing awareness & encouraging unity with this piece.
The reason the Irish, black, and Indian slave trade happened is biblical. Moses told the children of Israel that of they broke the laws of the Elohim that certain curses would fall upon them and their children and their children’s children and so forth and so forth. Deuteronomy 28:68 says that the LORD would bring them into captivity again by ships the word Egypt means slavery or bondage. Deuteronomy 28:48 speaks of a yoke of iron put around their necks. There was a powerful and mystical people that invaded Ireland in ancient times they conquered Ireland and was known as the Tautha De Danaan= Tribe of Dan. The modern day Irish man and women are the descendants of the Tribe of Dan from the bible. The fifth son of Jacob Dan. That’s why they went into slavery. The Negroes in America are not from Africa. They are Hebrews from the Tribe of Judah. The Latinos especially the Puerto Ricans (Taino Indians) are the Tribe of Joseph/Ephraim and the Cubans are the Tribe of Manasseh are Indian/Native American enslaved by the Spanish speaking nations and the Native American North American Indians are the Tribe of Gad and the Seminole Indians are the Tribe of Rueben
The Tuatha Dé Danann were legends.. Not real people.
Actually, Swift, mythologically speaking, the modern Irish are descended from the Mílesians, or the Sons of Míl, a people said to have arrived from Spain, not the Tuatha Dé Dannan.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Where do the north africans come from?
Uh, this may be a plagiarism:
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638
Written in 2005 by a man who is now dead. His family’s website is here, however:
http://kavanaghfamily.com/
Please site your sources. This sort of thing is just propaganda without factual data to support it. Thank you.
this is bull if 70% of 1 island was white people from ireland then how did the island turn black the answer is them irish slaves were black the original irish are black what u on about
Ugh, just accept it. Not all slaves were black. Accept it and move on. If the original Irish were black then how would I, whose family has lived in Ireland for hundreds of years, be white. How would all the native Irish people here be white? Idiot.
400 years is a lot of time for things to change he said 70 percent of montserrats population was irish however he did not say what that population was , today montserrats population is around 6000 , however before the volcanic eruption in 1995 it was 13000.
To further illustrate how things can change fast , did you know up until 1810 when slavery was abolished in mexico blacks outnumbered spaniards? Within 68 years that number had fallen to around 10 percent.
http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/1167-did-you-know-blacks-outnumbered-spaniards-until-after-1810
The reason why a lot of people don’t’ know about this is that most of the Irish slaves were killed off. Besides, if you truly look at history, many ethnicities were slaves at one time or another, such as the Jews were slaves in Egypt. There were slaves in Africa, Americas, Asia, Europe and the Middle East.
Well I have seen alot of cover ups by white people in the past and present. The tampering of history by false potriats of kings. Not only were Israelites enslaved….the names were changed. Therefore the evidence you are asking for, the proof and documents may very well be destroyed as criminals tend to do. What do we know about there Irish slaves exactly? I find it troubling that people are attacking the so called blacks on levels of proof when that has clearly been erased purposely over time for confusion and argument sake. I personally am a descendant of the enslaved people and trust me we don’t need apologies or any kind of sympathy because our forefather brought this evil upon us. Would God do this to his people? Yes! Wouldn’t you discipline your children? His is perfect in his ways. Learn about him and his word….it never returns to him void. Peace be unto you.
I don’t know who the daft person is who thought God put people in slavery. I know there were many races abused, but that should not negate the fact that the Africans were slaves. We should not be comparing who had it worse. Slaves are slaves. Buying and selling human flesh is buying and selling human flesh. The Irish were brutalized. So were the Scots. So were the Africans. So were other races as well. The Italians were treated terribly, murdered, framed for crimes they didn’t commit… all because they wanted a fair wage for their work. The Native people were slaughtered and herded like cattle. So… let’s face it. There are a lot of evil people in the world.
Mayzee, I don’t think the author was trying to diminish the Afrrican slave trade, rather to point out that history and also political correctness HAVE diminished the de-humanization of peoples in addition to the Africans. It also helps folks understand why many of the islands have such a strong Celtic identity and tradition.
To the person who asked where the documentation exists for the Irish slave trade, it’s plentiful in English court (as in the King’s court) records, they were meticulous. It also exists in the early American colony records, including those of my family. Google “Caron Brannon” and you’ ll find the record of where Caron’s bond was transferred to another owner in 1703, I think. The magistrate judged Caron to be about twelve years old.
Some of these posts are asking for PROOF of this abomination, all you have to do is goodle “REDLEGS OF BARBADOS” – there is all the proof you need. They are white, they are poor, they are in Barbados and have been for over 350 years. Now, how did that happen? Get real people it happened, end of story.
I did not know such a thing happened to us, I will ask why we are not taught these facts in school. I will write to my T.D as ask what can he do to erect a marmoreal to the murdered people of Trim County Meath. The English became very powerful on the backs of millions of people, did you know that the current Royal family own all the tobacco production in the US (Philip Morris) has the coat of arms of the British crown. We the Irish are still paying millions of euros to the British crown in rents, for lands, shops, most of Grafton st is owned by the Crown, My dad just bought out the ground rents of our farm in 1985 he was paying ground rents to a Lord Folwer. If you ask me I think the Irish are enslaved again with over priced mortgages and an national debt of 250 billion which we will never repay.
As for the jews and their troubles, all that was planned just to get the UK to give up Israel and hand it back over to the jewish people to have as a home land. The 5million jews that were killed were working class from Poland and a few wealthy ones from France,
Belgium and Holland. If you look into it you can find the truth. A very famous American once said to have 1 cow in Israel is worth all the jews in Poland.
So not is all that is seems, Pope Adrian IV asked King Henry to conquer Ireland as Ireland was a well known centre of teaching and learning with well educated scholars
and the Vatican wanted to be the centre of the religious world therefore Ireland had to be ruled and not be aloud to flourish. This later led to the selling of Irish people as slaves as England tried to take Ireland for its self and use Ireland as a food basket to feed its own people.
This is fact and is documented in Vatican papers.
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What my heritage is shouldn’t be important here, but I think it is… I am of Scottish and Irish descent, so I am not writing from any particular perspective. I could get sucked into this ‘whose worse off’ campaign, but I refuse. Instead, I want to say that I think this article by John Martin is triggering a massive, sordid response primarily because of the inflammatory attitude he writes this with – angry, even resentful. And it hints of poor research, since some of his information is incorrect, taken out of context, and/ or exaggerated. It is not a scholarly piece of research, but is based on general information that has been ignored, because the Irish have been badly persecuted, and continue to be ostracized by, don’t forget, WHITE folks. And I’m sure somewhere down the line the Irish did the same to some other group. Regardless of the numbers impacted, or the harshness of treatment by slave-holders, it is all about degradation. Some have been hit harder than others, and to this day, genocide and slavery continues. But it’s all the same, and nearly all cultures have done it and been victim to it. John’s rage is obvious, but comes across as a “poor us”, “we had it just as bad” attitude that is frankly annoying. OK. So the Irish were slaves… Now we know. But it is of no surprise to me, and it doesn’t make the enslavement of any other group more benign. Enough said…
I see the name John Martin as the author of this article…. Makes me curious as to who plagiarized who: http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638 . Very suspicious, as the author of the other article is dead. What were Mr. Martin’s resources for this article?
I have come very late to this topic but for any one wanting to read a book on this subject see The Black Irish by Auberey Gwynn (1929) but it has to be said this was very much a poineering effort and much material has been added since.
H.Bourne
I wish we learned about this in school,so the back people would have less reason to bitch and moan!
The Transatlantic Slave Trade Happened, but was overexaggerated in the amounts of slaves bought to the Americas.
There were already black people in the Americas before slavery. They Lied about the amounts of slave ships, & there is no way that they could transport 100 million slaves over the course of 300 years. Where is the proof of the massive slave ships?
Most of the slaves were transported to the Caribbean,not the USA. The large majority of the black population in the USA are indigenous, they weren’t brought here on ships, they were here already.
Also, if they shipped over 100 million slaves to the Americas, wouldn’t the black population in the USA be more than 12 percent? Think About it for a moment
The reason why they had black slavery is because they finished exploiting the Natives, Then the Irish, so they replaced it with Black slavery & then they replaced the black slaves with East Indian Slaves, who were Disguised as Indentured servants, coerced into working on plantations.
These East Indian Slaves were transported to Mauritius, Fiji, South Africa, Guyana, Trinidad, & Jamaica. Look up Coolies: When Britain Reinvented Slavery to see what i’m talking about.
The whole thing about certain curses falling upon Negroes & Native Americans, & Hispanics is bullshit.
What about the Filipinos, who were enslaved by the Spaniards for over 300 years, & forced to convert to Catholicism & change there names. Is that a curse for disobeying God?
Have you ever heard of the Goa Inquisition, where the Portuguese Jesuit Missionaries would brutally torture & Murder Hindus for not converting to Catholicism, is that a curse for disobeying God?
What about the rest of the world, which the majority are Third World Countries, & the children are starving, Is that a Curse for disobeying God?
There are more slaves now than any other time in history. They just put the emphasis on black slavery to confuse the masses into thinking that only one group was exploited, when in fact they were exploiting everyone. It was a divide & conquer technique.
Did you know that the movie Roots was a lie? Alex Haley never had an ancestor named Kunta Kinte. He was sued by the author he stole the story basis from.
Black slavery has been over-emphasized in the Media so much, that we don’t even realize that the Natives were the first slaves, then the Irish, The Blacks, & the East Indians. They were/are still exploiting the nonwhites of the world.
“Most of the slaves were transported to the Caribbean,not the USA. The large majority of the black population in the USA are indigenous, they weren’t brought here on ships, they were here already.”
Please precise your thought…Didn’t get that one…
I read Jack D forbes (himself a native indian) ” Africans and Native Americans” :
- There was indeed black (negro/moreno) and brown native indians (Loros) all over North and South america , and in the caribbeans (Jamaica, Haiti, Cuba, Borinquen) where they were described as Loros (or Browns) by the spanish terrorists
BUT
- The black slaves mitigated with the Indian slaves all over the cariibean and the Continent : Gonzalo Aguirre Beltran , José Antonio Saco , Carlos Esteban deive , Jack D Forbes himself to name but a few are very positive about that
In Haiti the black ladinos mitigated with Indian/Tainos as soon as 1503, Nicolas Ovando asked to the spanish authorities to stop the importing of black ladinos.
Some Moors are saying on the net that they’re native indians LOOLLLLL, in Jack D Forbes’ book we can find the most exhaustive source about the definition of a MOOR in European languages (Spanish, French, Portuguese, Dutch) during the Middle Age .
100 % of them meant a black man
- Oexmelin the French white slave (indeed desguised into Indentured servants) says in his memories that he found sons of Indians and Blacks in the native island called AYITI
( actual Dominican republic, and Haiti) …The same reason explained the majority of Afro-Americans having native indian ancestry not because they’re true native indians.
Actually, they do have black people that are native to this land. You can tell the difference between an American Black vs a Caribbean Black, & a native Central & South American Black. They are Aboriginal Black people.
How can all of the continents in the world have Aboriginal black people, except the USA?
They had black native people on this continent long before Columbus ever set foot on these shores. Look at Dominicans, Brazilians, Black Mexicans, Black Peruvians, & you be the judge.
We have been brainwashed all of these years to believe that they Transported 100 Million People over the course of 300-400 years but it does not add up.
What are the other Black nations around the world, besides in the continent of Africa ?
Let’s see: India(which was a part of Ethiopia In the ancient days, which is why Indians & Ethiopians look similar) , Thailand, Fiji, Hawaii, New Zealand(Maoris and other people) , Cook Islands , Hawaii, Indonesia, Guam, American Samoa, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and many other countries in the Pacific Ocean that I can’t name right now.
Pretty much everyone around the world is Black. If you have melanin, you are considered Black.
That’s the reason why they colonized, indoctrinated, & enslaved you & all of the other Black nations around the world.
For the 100 Millions it’s a rough estimation of the African victims of the slave trade : Died and the forced deported
- The deaths on the slave ships : revolts, suicides, slaves dropped on the seas to get the insurance or to avoid the British sea patrols ( in 19th century), 30 to 50 % of the slaves died in the ships ==> “Slave ships and Slaving ” by Francis Dow
- The deaths on the slave plantations : mistreatments (tortures) , overworked, diseases, abortions
- In the USA the masters mingled so much with the slaves that Octorrons, Quadroons were sold in the slave markets,some being blonds with blue eyes ( many children were kidnapped and solf as negroes slaves) : The Forgotten Cause of the Civil War: A New Look at the Slavery Issue by Lawrence R. Tenzer (1997)
- All the collateral deaths in africa to hunt down the slaves….For 400 years…I’m sure that 100 Millions of dead africans during that period is not overestimated
They exaggerated the numbers to make us seem helpless. Marcus Garvey wanted to send all black people in the west back to Africa, but he did not succeed in doing so & it happened for a reason. He did not realize that the majority of black people in the west were already here.
As I said before, the majority of the slaves were shipped to the Caribbean, not the United States.
The Black people that were already here were captured & classified as Africans, Negroes, & Mulattoes(even though a lot of these so called mulattoes were actually East Indians or other black groups not just the classical stereotypical Negro type ) & then sold into slavery. We all were not brought here on ships!
Ever wonder why Caribbeans & African Americans can’t get along? Because we are not all the same people!
watch this video, it is a song about how the Europeans stole land from the Indigenous Moorish people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HwoubrvB8A&feature=player_embedded
If you believe the lie that Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas, & that no other settlers & or groups came before him, than you are a fool to do so.
When I say that a lot of the people were already here, I don’t mean just aboriginal Indigenous black people, I mean other black settlers from all corners of the globe were already here & settled here.
They made it seem like Black people had no history prior to slavery, & that we were sold off by our own people, & that hundreds of millions of us were brought to the Americas on Slave Ships, but the truth is now being revealed that there were indeed other black groups in the Americas prior to slavery.
You’re not teaching nothing new here but mainly falsehood
1. Some Natives Indians were blacks (california) , browns, light skinned , whites
- Jack D Forbes
- Armand de Quatrefages
- The spanish conquistadores who saw them with their own eyes : Ivan Van Sertima
2. Colombus never discovered America ( who said that ?)
- Ivan Van sertima (1976)
- Leo Wiener
- Gonzalo Aguirre Beltran
- Flora Shaw
- Dr Hakim quick etc
Colombus sailors were moors ( Dr Abu Ameenah Bilial Philips) and africans were already there as told by the natives haitians to the spanish conquistadores…Leo Wiener and Flora Shows said that many native indians customs (aztecs) were also found in west Africa among the mandigos
3. Dominicans and Puerto Ricans
I know Puerto Rico , the Dominican Republic , & Cuba : you can’t find ONE TRUE native down there.
Spanish destroyed them and were obliged to hunt down slaves in the bahamas, and in America (North and south) to replace the chattel slaves in these countries:
- José Antonio Saco
- Jack D Forbes
- Carlos Esteban Deive
- Luiz Diaz Soler
In these islands Natives and Africans mixed at the beginning of the slave trade : Enriquillo the Taino chief had as soon as 1519 , 300 hundreds black maroons in his army.
It’s the Baoruco region and the black dominican beauty Ruth Ocumarez is the best living proof of the mixing between Black and Tainos ( see her in the wyclef jean clip)
In puerto Rico they raised together ( with the Woloffs) in 1527 to destroy the sapnish. The black conquistadore Pedro Mexia married the Indian caicica names Yuisa, later called Luisa. Loiza town (named according to Luiza) in actual PR is full of african descendents.
Carlos esteban deive says that all the customs of the ancient tainos has been preserved by the blacks maroons… This is why you have many blacks in the Dominican republic with indian names and Indian ancestry : Yomilis, Aracalis, Yurilis etc
BUT Carlos esteban Deive, Tolentino Dipp, Blas Jimenez , Carlos Larrazabal Blanco will tell you that at least 80 % of Dominicans have senegambians/ nigerian (the tambora used in Merengue is from Nigeria) / and BANTU ( CONGO/ANGOLA) ancestry. Dominicans have STRONG bantu features…And I know very well this country : samana, puerto plata, la romana, santo domingo, santiago etc
4. Most blacks in the USA are africans childs
Now you must taking people for fools when you say that you guys are Natives????
After Brazil who absorbed 40 % of the slave trade supply, the USA received more african slaves than any caribbean country…
Haiti had 400000 to 500000 slaves in 1791, the biggest slave population in the caribbean. In the USA there was millions of slaves.
- JA Rogers in “Africa Gift to America” will give you the capital worth of the slaves in USA
- Lawrence R. Tenzer and John R Spears will tell; you how the American slave traders smuggled the slaves from CUBA and BRAZIL…
- John R Spears will describe you how some slave traders in the south specialized in slave breeding….
- Africans in the US lost their African heritage : forbidden to speak African languages / practise african religion etc ( any child who spoke African language was killed) : but africa is in your catholicism, your music (funk, soul, BLUES, RAP etc) , your food and last but not least your DNA…
When the slave traders in the US did not have choice save the native Indians they exchanged them for Black Slaves in Haiti or Santo Domingo : see Barabara Olexer and Allan Gallay…
Many Afro – Americans have native indian ancestry but they’re not native indians…
Some corrupted Indian tribes had black slaves, others refused and took them as brothers/ fighters/ husbands/ wives like the Seminoles… see William Lorentz katz
In Brazil Palmeiras Maroon republic had been destroyed by Portuguese helped by Native Indians;
Enriquillo in Haiti/Hispaniola betrayed his black and native indians fighters… In Hispaniola the spanish masters gave the whip and the key postions (overseers, technicals for sugar production etc) to Blacks and they commanded the Indians : divide to rule
Some black conquitadores were encomenderos like Juan valiente who had Indian slaves…
In Mexico , black and indians married together ( Gonzalo Aguirre Beltran / Richard price) ==> It’s true all over the new world because there were not enough african women…(See Richar price : Maroon Societies)
Wesley Snipes and Michael Jordan are native indians ???? LOL straight from west Africa !!!
Wesley snipes and Tyrese Gibson have the senegalese phenotype…
Stop bullshitting the masses…If you’re guru teaches you bullshit you should keep for you ( and check first by your own)…Now we wonder why they laugh at us…
I will convinced if those uncle toms calling themselves native Indians will present their DNA test showing 100 % of Native Indian ancestry (then I’ll apologize and call myself a a fool with pleasure) ….It will happened the day a donkey will fly in the air…Just do the test and post the results…Even Hakim Bey himlself is not native, his phenotype is straight from Africa if he is Truhful let him post and reveal his DNA ancestry test…
DNA tests don’t mean shit. The Human Genome Project was a failure. Do you really believe that they could transport 100 Million black people across the Atlantic Ocean in 300 years? Wake the fuck up!
They duped you into thinking that every so-called black person in the west was brought here on slave ships! The maximum amount a Slave ship could hold is 400. How the fuck could they transport thousands on one ship?
I had someone tell me that he visited Africa & that Africans don’t like black people from the west. He told me that “we’re not Africans” & that they hate us, & that we are not the same people. He said that they are Hamites.
Yes, they did have slaves that were transported to the USA, but not the number that they have been claiming for all of these years.
I did not mean to say that every black person in the US was Indigenous, but what i really meant is the settlers from Africa & elsewhere that were already here became slaves.
People need to wake the fuck up & do some more research. The Europeans Colonized almost every black nation on the face of the earth, & reduced them to third world status.
The Majority of the world is black, & they lied about the numbers of slaves bought from Africa. They labeled anyone with African features as African, even though people all around the world have those same exact features, not just in Africa.
Now you’re getting rude
, you have to keep your temper and read properly, I said that VICTIMS of slavery could have reached 100 Million during these 400 years (average life of a slave was 7 YEARS…) : LIVE and DEAD ( in the sea, in the plantations, in AFRICA)
My points are these:
1. There were native or aboriginal (Don’t like this word) black/ browns Indians in America (North, Central, South) and the Carribeans. William Loren Katz gives some pictures of them in his book “Black Indians : Those of Paraguay (P4) and California (P134)
- He also shows picture of native Indian women married with black men (John Taylor) P181 to 183 and these natives’ Indian women really don’t look black….
- Now you have to show the statistics of the Native Black Indians in North America , may be we could believe your bullshit…
2. These Indians were not imported from Africa, but many of them finished as slaves, and some africans already reached the new world before colombus the thieve / slaver / Fake sailor
- José Antonio Saco in his book “Historia de la raza Africana” says that Africans or Blacks were already there (page 75 to 78 ) before the spanish or conquistadores
4. But now somebody has to proove that these native black indians and africans outnumbered those kinapped in Africa…: I can’t believe that bullshit…
5. Africa received that Indian blood too because Tainos slaves were sold to Spain and Africa (Cabo Verde, along senegal). When the Dutch were kicked out from Brazil they went to Africa with their native Indian soldiers/allies to capture Angola
- Jack D Forbes
- J A Rogers
6. Africa is the only continent where the population DID NOT INCREASE from the 15th to the 19th century…Louise Marie DIOP-MAES the wife of the late Cheikh Anta DIOP wrote a book about that period : “Afrique Noire Démographique, Sol et Histoire” …These devils even went to live in Africa to organize the slave raidings and prepare the slaves to the new world plantations. Like the spanish slave trader Pedro Blanco…
7. I’m myself African (Fulani/ Woloff) and stop saying bullshit about something your heard off…In west africa you have people who have the same features than east africans : like Senegalese and Soudanese, and You can’t see any difference between a Fulani (West Africa) and a Somali (East Africa) cause we’re from the same roots…But with all honesty some of us are also ignorants…
We have to be careful about what we’re teaching. It is true that among the blacks living in the middle east many of them are natives and not slaves ( arabia, yemen, palestine, syria, irak etc) and they represent the biggest part… But you can convince me about the US Brothers, Hakim Bey’s features are straight from Africa…
Melanesians are blacks ( Adamans Islands , Solomon Islands, New Caledonia, Native Australians, Agtas of the Philippines etc) and are not slaves 100 % agree. There is also many blacks in India ( the biggest proportion of the population) , Sri Lanka (Tamouls), Singapore , Indonesia (new guinea not so far…) 100% agree…But those saying that “you’re from here” meaning you’re native indians must take you for dumb fools…
Before spreading these lies do your research first, cause some people are doing their research for themselves and don’t brag on the net…
Why do most whites get upset when African slavery is discussed,maybe its not about reperations.It could be we want to know our ancestors language or there culture before they were taught english. Maybe we just want to know if they practice a religion or had a religion that they worshipped.Maybe we just want to know about our bloodline.97% of whites can trace their ancestrial lineage,African Americans cant.So why is defence when this subject is expressed, a white person will say you need to move on,or you are playing the race card .Why they want say i will help you trace your heratige back to your bloodline?these people really need to help us in this matter because we dont know, and would like to find out our heritage African culture.
becouse the afro americans are the tribe of Juda . you are one of the 12 tribes of Ysrael. the Isrealites who we know today are the khazars from askenazi tribe of Jengis Khan
I think that this whole Israelite shit is a whole bunch of bullshit. They just went around fucking up all of the black nations of the world, & using the bible to justify their evil deeds.
Some people take it way too fucking seriously. I don’t believe this whole thing about how “The slaves were not Africans, they are Isrealites”
The slaves are of African Descent, they are Africans. I
If they were Hebrews than they would have been taken from the Middle East/Ethiopia & then bought to West Africa.They would have also spoke Amharic.
They even went after the descendents of Ham, which the majority of black people in the USA are, Indigenous Black People. They bought at maximum about 400,000 slaves to the USA, & that really only went to the 13 original colonies & Louisiana. These slaves were than intermixed with the indigenous population.
Like I said before, the majority of slaves went to the Caribbean, not the United States.
Dominicans are indigenous to Hispanola, they were not African slaves.
They look very similar to Habesha people in Ethiopia, as do Puerto Ricans Cubans, & East Indians.
The Aboriginal, Indigenous, Autochthon, Pre-Adamites known today as Latinos, West Indians, Blacks, Afro/African Americans, Negros were NOT slaves but enslaved or became prisoners of war. They are today under the occupation of a Corporation. They will do everything possible to keep you from rising back up as the original first class status holder and owner of the ENTIRE western hemisphere of Northwestern and Southwestern Africa known today as North, Central, South America and the Caribbean Islands.
They just made you think that all of the so-called black people in the west were bought here on slave ships, but that is from from the truth. They labeled you as African to hide your true history, A lot of you were already here, you just got captured & enslaved.
the Moors were a Multicultural group, not just Negroes with big lips & flat wide noses. There is no such thing as a Black Caucasian. read this: http://bluebloodisblackblood.blogspot.com/2011/05/blue-blood-is-black-blood-1500-1789.html
For Dominicans mostly descendants of african slaves :
1. “Raza e Historia en Santo Domingo” by Tolentino Dipp
2. ” La esclavitud del negro en Santo Domingo 1492-1844″ by Carlos esteban deive
3. ” La Presencia negra en Santo Domingo” by Carlos Andujar
4. “Los Negros y la esclavitud en Santo Domingo” by Carlos Larrazabal Blanco
I know this country from north/south to east/west
Dominicans have strong african features ( from CONGO/ANGOLA) and are mixed with European and Natives, the biggest racial component is african :
- Phenotypes
- Food
- Their spanish is highly influenced by african tongues ( See John Lipski)
- African religions and believes still present in Palos and Catholicism
- Music, merengue is played with Tambora (from Nigeria) and the rythmn which is the root of merengue is called CATA, and its from CONGO/ANGOLA ( Bantu origin)…
The Dominican republic was the spanish clearing house for slaves in the new world ( sent towards mexico, puerto rico, jamaica before the english) like Jamaica was later the slave clearing house for English.
There were african slave confreries in the Dominican republic (see Larrazabal Blanco) ,and the 1st slave revolt of the new world occured in 1522 in that country…
In Puerto Rico , Dominicans are discriminated because they have strong african features.
Haitians abolished slavery in the Dominican republic in 1822 , freed the slaves and gave them the lands. The white slave owner elite fled to Puerto Rico, Cuba etc and since that day inspired the actual national hatred towards haitians…Their own brethen ( bulk of the population, the “white elite” doesn’t mix with them though…)
Why abolish slavery when slavery doesn’t exist ? at least 90 % of the dominican republic has african ancestors…
Trujillo the racist who had himself african ancestors ( on his mother side) tried to whiten the country :
- 1st by killing: haitian and black dominicans massacre in 1937
- 2nd by favorable immigration laws towards european ( like Argentina) : all crooks, gangsters, prostitutes went to the DR ( Italians, corsicans, french, spanish etc)
- 3rd he also welcome jews during the WWII
Many black dominicans Ruth Ocumarez, Venya Carolina , Ada Aimee de la Cruz etc
Were do people get claiming that the slaves that went to the west indies were more rebellious than the ones that landed in America? surely there is no proof of this, but a lot of people have made this claim for some time now. I would like to bring this to light however, during the slavetrade, the phrase RIDE OR DIE became known. They would either RIDE along with the EUROPEANS to an unknown land, or they would prefer DEATH and jump overboard or take over the ship. The european was so cruel back then, and still is, that he would throw so many slaves overboard that sharks would follow the slave ships. To me its not a matter of looking at the west indies and going, yeah we can tell they are stronger because they are most rebellious because the fact remains that WE ALL HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM AFRICA, especially if you are of RECENT AFRICAN DESCENT…meaning MANKINDS ORIGIN IS IN AFRICA, therefore WE ALL ARE AFRICANS, even the EUROPEANS, but RECENT AFRICAN DESCENT MEANS that IF YOU ARE STILL DARK or considered BLACK, THEN YOUR BLOODLINE HAS BEEN AFRICAN THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH. THE SEED STARTED BLACK AND IT IS STILL CURRENTLY BLACK. In the CASE OF THE EUROPEAN, his skin is SAID TO HAVE TURNED WHITE DUE TO A COLDER CLIMATE. If we all are Africans then We all should be the same people, just different features have devoloped due to different requirements. I dont know if this is why the European has developed white skin, but I do know that A European has never had a BLACK CHILD and NEVER WILL, therefore DOMINANT ALWAYS OVER RECCESSIVE. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge and WE WERE TAKEN FROM ALL OVER THAT CONTINENT THEY CALL AFRICA. I can trace my origin to WEST AFRICA and I don’t need a European to tell me…I JUST KNOW WHERE I COME FROM and the West African’s were part of that BANTU MIGRATION….shall we continue?
A lot of the so called African-Americans don’t even have an ounce of West African Ancestry!
A lot of people were Kidnapped & Captured from North Africa, The Middle East, India, Pakistan, Etc in slave raids.
They were classified as “Mulattoes”
These slaves were cheaper than West African slaves, they were weaker & plentiful, also they wouldn’t rebel as much as the West African ones would.
The majority of West Africans were shipped to The Caribbean, & you can tell.
They are not telling us the whole truth about who they enslaved or shipped to the USA.
They want you to think that Every slave was from West Africa, but if that’s the case Why do so many black people in the USA look so Exotic?
Prior to James, Charles and Cromwell, let us not forget the Barbary pirates of North Africa led slave taking raids in Ireland: The Sack of Baltimore, Co. Cork was one such occurrence.
on June 30, 1631 when pirates from Algiers and armed troops of the Turkish Ottoman Empire stormed ashore at the little harbour village of Baltimore.
A massacre took place when two Algerian galleys landed in the dead of night, sacked the town and bore off into slavery mostly women and children..
The sultans added the women and young girls to their harems. The men labored rowing the war ships chained to their stations. The boys indoctrinated into becoming the soldiers known as Janissaires.
Memoirs of the Lady Hester Stanhope, 1845. ‘I have discovered the origin of the Irish as well as that of the Scotch. The Irish are from a tribe of Arabs, the most distinguished in the desert, whose women, for many thousand years have been famous for their beauty, and the men likewise for their strong attachments’.
So ??????? ?????
To all you skeptics1
The British government has accepted resposibility for the placing if Irish slaves in the caribbean islans. As late as 2008 a seving British diplomat arrive in St Michaels church in Bridgetown, Barbados. His mission was to read a formal letter from the British government
apologising to the Irish and blacks descendats for the slavery of their forfathers in Barbados. I happened to be in the church for the reading
egypt is the house. the place on the map is the original place that slavery began, this wasnt its original name. the fail to metion every time that the twelve tribes of israel are the only people that were promised heaven. this is why they will never tell you who you are or were you are from. TO MUCH LIKE RIGHT. that is why the world is mixed up. the true bible was not intended for all, only those tribes but when they got a peek and saw what they were to become, fear set in, anger arose. knowing they hade time do to our disobedience they struck and broke our religion and language.this why the didnt allow use to keep our religion because it kept us to close to god. our language was taken because the couldn’t take the chance on us communicating with our heavenly father. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY blacks learn so quickly, adapt to any situation, or are so possessive, need to lead, or how all of a sudden there is nothing we cant do. our days of bondage are over now we just have to reconnect with our father in heaven. 144,000 is the greatest number known to his true followers. 12,000 from every tribe is who he has chosen to take like a thief in the night. DONT GET LEFT GET RIGHT. so yes is my answer to everyone, people were taken from everywhere around the world because it was our world to begin with to explore , enjoy be fruitful and multiply. but during the slavetrades every people that was taken, massacred, raped, sripped of their language, religion and ETC….were purposely picked and devilish things were on the minds of there captors. not every race sold in those times had that had this happen, but for those who did have faith and remember the promise that was made to you.
egypt is the house of bondage
Alright, I have sat here and read every comment on this page and have noticed a trend: we are arguing about who is who and who was enslaved when and where. I think that the main point of the original article was to inform people of Irish Slavery. Even more important is the fact that Blacks are the more resent to be slaves and therefore the most well known, but EVERYONE except the Europeans were slaves at one point in time and they still conquer the world today. With the economy of the US affecting the rest of the world except the European Nations I believe we have bigger problems than who’s who.
I am a white woman born in small town America. If you see me on the street you would say “oh just another white American” but the truth is I am of Irish decent and would never claim any part of English or European decent. I was raised a southern Baptist, in my opinion the most closed minded religion other than Catholics, in the world. Yet I have managed to overcome being white, raised in the south, and Baptist. I am now married to an African American and my religious views are somewhat unorthodox.
I try to keep an open mind on any point brought up about what happened to us as the human race in the past, but again in history, if you are not European then you are the minority regardless of color or looks. Also, I’m a firm believer in that “IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST YOU ARE CONDIMMED TO REPEAT IT”. Now, I know that some of you are trying to remember the past by establishing who is from where and what happened to that race or religion specifically but that is the problem. You’re not looking at the big picture, you’re forgetting that regardless of who you are, you’re NOT European and therefore you are not exempt to the wrong doings of the Europeans.
The reason this has happened to us as one people, the Human Race is because we let it happen, we get caught up in the details and forget about the big picture. We were all slaves at one point and we were all treated like crap, we have no real history or roots, but in 500 years do you want the people of the future arguing about the same things because we failed to keep truthful records just as our ancestors?
Let’s jump to the year 2511; we now live in the NWO (New World Order) under the rule of the EU or United Nations of Europe, our currency is the Euro dollar and our first language is French and second is English, our religion is Orthodox Roman Catholic. Any belief, currency, language, etc., that differs is punishable by DEATH. Your great, great and so on great grandchild is sitting in World History class and the teacher is on the subject of American History in particular and how they became enslaved by the Chinese after the “Great Economic Crash” of the turn of the millennium, who in turn became enslaved by the Europeans because of debts owed to them as well, and so forth. How do you think that conversation is going to go?
“The American people failed as a nation and could not balance politics and economics and therefore China decided to collect the debts owed to them by making the Americans work for little to no pay for long hours without food or water; all the finer things in life like cell phones, cable TV, running water, heating and cooling, all forms of transportation and communication were taken away because Americans as a nation are wasteful and got exactly what they deserved. Then because of the greed of China, Europe decided to fight them on the pre-tense to free America, but in fact only sided with Americans because they didn’t want China to become stronger than them and at a later date decided to collect on the wages of war and debts owed to them by both America and China and now consequently rule over both countries, in turn taking over all other smaller countries in its path and now rules the world as The Roman Emperor Constantine intended way back in 1300 A.D.”
I think not. Come on people, get it together. Regardless if you believe in Bible prophecy or not (which is heavily weighted by Roman Catholic Pagan Beliefs) look at the future and what is at hand right now as I type. These things ARE going to happen, maybe not in the order I described or how I put it because what I did describe is purely hypothetical, but it will happen and in the near future if we don’t do something about it fast. Don’t simply believe what I have to say and don’t dismiss it as paranoid conspiracy theorist rants either. Please, for the sake of your freedom and lives and the freedom and lives of your children and grandchildren and even their grandchildren I beg of you to do your research on current events and how the past effects what is going on around the world and what it means for our future as MANKIND.
The internet and freedom of information has the answers to all of your life questions, the meaning of life and what the future holds, all you have to do is have a little common since and ask the right questions and the answers are out there. Google Roman Catholics, Pagans, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and their connections, educate yourself in how religion affected the who, what, when and where YOU are today regardless of whether you believe in a higher power or not…..its vital to what’s next; when you have learned how religion affected your race now Google who is responsible for what wrong doings your people have suffered, then Google what the responsible party is doing at this very moment, e.g.: The Europeans stem from Roman Catholic and Early Protestant religions, they decided to conquer the world one nation, race and religion at a time, they enslaved my ancestors and divided us to the point of our history being forgotten and lost. That was 500 years ago and now they are voting to become one nation and having one world currency since most of the world owes them it is not an unreasonable request but part of the plan to rule the world and not unlikely that in another 500 years they will succeed.
The most powerful weapon known to mankind is knowledge, don’t be unarmed.
Islam I just read Mrs Informed response and I am curious to her propsal to right the wrongs…honestly I think we should first reestablish the Republican form of government…and organize our foces to evacuate The Europeans …Yes we are all humans however there are by nature some that are supieror just as a lion is superior to a domestic cat…both are of the same family and have simular organs that have the exact same functions yet there is no doubt that the bigger cat will can and will devour the smaller one….Therefore my thesis is that all nations that are formed of naturally inferior humans must Unite and Support and Educate the misguided sleeping superior ones..simalar to the fable of the Lion and the mouse…..Then and only then can the Lion and Lamb dwell in Peace and Harmony…..I appluad you for reconizing your nation and your heritage….however truth is the only thing that will free the masses of Supereme people who are asleep…if they don’t awaken then They will ultimately destroy the world…They will awake and be free to righteously Rule once the mouse cuts the rope and frees us…Use your current advantage as an Irish Woman and teach your children the Truth and point your husband in the Right Direction…and gather others who simply are willing and able to work collectively to better humanity….and increase in knowledge and gracfully accept your place and position on the human race scale…I respond to you in good faith to encourage you to gracefully go foward and start assembling and organizing and gathering like minded individuals who want there children to be actually free and not sleep within a matrix believing they are free……we still have time to fix this I know who I …you know who you are ….lets be friends so that just as in the fable of the Lion and Mouse We can and will protect you ….peace
wow, and i only thought there were only black slaves, smh, i’m 43 years old and just finding this out, hummm, what my teachers missed, i only found this cause i was reading up on planking and slavery, then i asked myself, were blacks the only race that were slaves???
P.S. slavery has always been common place. It was a common practice in the Middle East, and the Romans certainly used slave labor, it was certainly practiced in some parts of Africa by African before Trans-Atlantic slave trade and it was also practiced in North America by some aboriginal tribes but their practice was different to that of the colonialists who eventually forced some tribes to model their treatment of their black slaves which we all know was brutality with a capital B.
Some slaves were often warriors and civilians captured in time of war, a person could be sold to pay a debt that he owed. The slavery that was practiced was somewhat different to what it is in modern time. Rome did send slaves to the Arenas to die brutal deaths. In ancient time, slaves took care of your property and they were trusted servants who could become members of your household, but without legal rights. They were trained people who tutored your children. I don’t believe that the ancient practice of slavery comes anywhere close to what was practiced in British as you described it with the Irish and by the colonizing countries and particularly with the Africans. (But I was there so, I can be 100% sure) The form changed particularly with the Europeans where they dehumanized and brutalized people for their profit and pleasures.
Slavery dehumanized both the enslaved and the slavers. It is horrifying what humans can do to each other.
There is much shame that comes with having been identified as a descend of slaves. The blacks can’t escape this exposure because of the sheer volume of people involved, the number of colonizing countries involved and we can’t blend in to hide either because of our colour, but the Irish can. The East Indian keep quiet, hiding hoping that no one will remember that they too were slaves(smart people, who wants to be stigmatized).
I am sure that the Irish wrote their own history books, so maybe they did not want anyone to remember.
Canada held slaved First Nations and blacks. They don’t mention it in their history books, because they wanted to look like the good guys. Those were provided a refuge to escaping slaves while years earlier slaves were running from Atlantic Canada to the States. Obviously, they did not know what they were in for, a case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
Whites wrote the history books, so if there is something missing; it is to cover up their shame.
I do understand that you want recognition that the Irish too have suffered and I agree with you on that.
Remember that slavery is still alive today even in North America. Human trafficking is the modern term and it includes children and women. Are we crying over them?
We are trying to repair the past meanwhile, we are creating a future that we will be equally sorry for.
If you can, get a hold of the film “Nefarious”. It is a documentary on the modern day slave trade.
Correction to post October 19, 2011 9:18 (But I was there so, I can be 100% sure) should read, (But I was not there so, I can”t be 100% sure)
Jesus, if there’s one thing we’re used to in Ireland, it’s English coverups, whitewashing, lies and propaganda, and their general populations refusal to accept the facts. We can show them all the reasonable evidence and proof and eye witness reports and God knows what else buy unless they see it on the BBC they’ll never accept it. And the BBC will find a way to somehow blame it on the ira lol.
Btw Michelle there’s no shame in it for us. 800 years trying they couldn’t keep us down with all their might. And with all the horrors of history (and believe me, some are worse than what you’ve read in this article) we still Rose above it. Irish people are proud, not ashamed.
I totally agree with you.
Just a flavour of what the Vatican men of God brought to the Irish people.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm
Just a few of the tortures that ‘heretics’ went through:
• Skin flayed from head, face and body
• Noses, nipples and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
• Fried or boiled alive or roasted on a spit
• Mouth slit back to ears
• Crucified upside down
• Thrown from windows on to spears
• Arms cut off
• Torturous slow burning, soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc.
• Women stripped, hung from trees by their hair and scourged or left hanging by one leg until dead
• Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out
Portia – did u mean to reply to me with this? I don’t see what that has to do with this discussion… unless you’re assuming me to be Catholic, and even then, I don’t see the relevance of that article?
800 years? The English were occupied by the Normans 800 years ago and being treated worse than the Irish. When the Normans finally invaded Ireland their army was made up of French and Welsh. There were no problems between the English and the Irish until the Europeans got involved and took over by force. The Saxons even fled to Ireland for safety following 1066. Can anhyone name an English King or Queen of England since 1066? There have been French, Welsh, Scottish, Dutch, German, but I cannot think of any English.
Oliver Cromwell .. though he was never called a king, he was a de-facto king of England.
Cromwell was never a king. He was a dictator that most people did not want. If the Stuarts had not behaved so badly, they would have remained in power and history would have been very different. If it had not been for Charles II and James II abusing their power, Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange would never have been able to seize control. It’s a pitty so much terrible things happened because the peoples of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England have given the world some of the best in literature, arts and science. I may be wrong, but I still blame the Europeans for jumping in and causing all of the problems. If the French had stayed out in 1066 and left everyone over here alone, all of the worst parts of history might never have happened. There would have been four independent countries with 800 years of friendship behind them. Sometimes history is painful, but he can never be changed. Let us hope the future is a better place.
800 years of friendship and peace… your a joke ‘kip’ .. since civilasation there hasn;t been any longevity in peace.. no matter what country you name… England beign one of the worst countries in history for this…. and by the way.. where do you think an Englishman came from….Europe mate!!!! they are a mixed race .. not a pure race…
maptrap, there is no such thing as a pure race. The Irish are as equally mixed up as the English. Two thousand years of Saxon, Viking, Welsh, Norman, French invasion and settlement. How can the English be the worst? There weren’t any problem with Saxon England until the Normans invaded.
800 years of history and only 1 English head of state. The worst problems seem to have been caused by the Stuarts, who were Scottish. Without them Cromwell would never have been heard of and neither would William and Mary.
I am Australian,may every pommy mongrel rot in hell.
Wow Jim, you sound like a nice happy person. I can just imagine you wandering around your house in Australia blaming all of your problems on everyone else but yourself. I can just p;icture you: 30 stone, a tin of lager in each hand, living on benefits and spouting off about how you hate the English at every opportunity. Advice Jim: Get a life, and please stay in Australia.
Thanks Jim for an informative piece of writing – really contributed to the thread lol
Good one Jim. Did your two brain cells think up that one up between themselves or did they get help. They definitely need help.
So the Irish. Vikings, Anglo Saxons, Chinese, America Indians, are black! Wow. I didn’t know that!
If most of the slaves were Irish and they mixed with the black slaves, it makes you wonder why most of the island is black! Didn’t James II have thousands of English people sent to the West Indies following the battle of Sedgmoor? What happened to all of them? They seem to be more forgotton than the Irish slaves that are so forgotten they don’t even appear in well researched history books in Ireland! I’m trying not to be cynical.
The article refers to James II and Charles I, and then goes on to say English. Weren’t James and Charles both Scottish Stuarts, and didn’t they often use foreign merceneries (not English). The above (Dee) is correct in that James II has thousands of English people sent to the West Indies as prisoners/slaves. Detailed records are always kept where money is involved. I wonder why there is no such detailed records of hundreds of thousands of Irish people (other than Royalist soldiers) being sent. Perhaps because the article is not based on factual evidence. Burning people? The desciptions given sound more like a description of the Spanish Inquisition.
English. Irish. Same difference. The English are not Anglo Saxons and the Irish are not Celtic. Those titles and histories were invented by people trying to drive a wedge between the two peoples, and it worked. English and Irish are essentially the same race with different languages. Anyone who wants to swear about that is falling for the centuries old con started by the church to destroy the old Irish church and force everyone into the Roman church.