The Englanders versus the ancient Britons

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English and Welsh are races apart
Sunday, 30 June, 2002, 15:31 GMT 16:31 UK

Map of England and Wales reflected in genes

Gene scientists claim to have found proof
that the Welsh are the “true” Britons.

The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.

Genetic tests BBC

Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English.

It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa’s Dyke acting as a “genetic barrier” protecting those on the Welsh side.

And the upheaval can be traced to this day through genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.

Academics at University College in London comparing a sample of men from the UK with those from an area of the Netherlands where the Anglo-Saxons are thought to have originated found the English subjects had genes that were almost identical.

But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.

The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers.

Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds

They chose seven market towns mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 and studied 313 male volunteers whose paternal grandfather had also lived in the area.

They then compared this with samples from Norway and with Friesland, now a northern province of the Netherlands.

The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different.

The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.

Dr Mark Thomas, of the Centre for Genetic Anthropology at UCL, said their findings suggested that a migration occurred within the last 2,500 years.

Genetic links

It reinforced the idea that the Welsh were the true indigenous Britons.

In April last year, research for a BBC programme on the Vikings revealed strong genetic links between the Welsh and Irish Celts and the Basques of northern Spain and south France.

It suggested a possible link between the Celts and Basques, dating back tens of thousands of years.

The UCL research into the more recent Anglo-Saxon period suggested a migration on a huge scale.

“It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left,” he said.

Celtic Britons

Archaeologists after the Second World War rejected the traditionally held view that an Anglo-Saxon invasion pushed the indigenous Celtic Britons to the fringes of Britain.

Instead, they said the arrival of Anglo-Saxon culture could have come from trade or a small ruling elite.

But the latest research by the UCL team, “using genetics as a history book”, appears to support the original view of a large-scale invasion of England.

It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea.

Dr Thomas added: “Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English.”

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5 thoughts on “The Englanders versus the ancient Britons”

  1. So, as someone who associates with Rastafari closely but follows no religion or dictated ideology of comparable nature very closely, I decided to add this link to my homepage, because it used to have interesting stories true to the nature of Rasta. But of late all I see is Euro-bashing stories like “Fake Englanders,” “Lower-Class Whites have low IQs.” These stories among others are just spreading hate and emphasizing all the wrong issues. Rasta is about finding your Zion–it’s about love, it’s not about hate.

  2. whites;(why it is?)Eorupoeanus vile offsprings of the beast of Gobineau! joseph;Yusuf do you know that your name was African before it was Anglised into Yosef or Joseph? pale skin lover,before yo talk about Rasta hating anyone,make vital use of your brains to recall all the hatred the whitish race has subjected Blacks rom the slavery days,forced assimilation, labour camps,village massacres, colonailism,Disease infection segregation, apartheid and all their vampirical motives and compare all this with the hospitlity Blacks showed to the vile wanderers opf this heathen region called Eu-rope. Ofcourse there nevr was such a thing as ‘English’;these are offspring of the vile Anglosaxon invaders wgho invaded the land and subjected all they found to eternal eanslvery,just like their Spanish, Lombard,Visgoth, Danes, Francophones,Vikings vampirical dog brethren with thir evil seat in vatican. Anglo-Saxons are Anglo blood suckers nothoing more;dats why Eliza-bitch with the crown is of German origin;Do you still follow blind Yosef? if I may Ask; do you know the meaning of ‘Joseph’ or is it just a brand tag to identify you asa blind folded fool? you even got gut to yap about love? IS there a palce on earth for the hopless white sinners who’ve hurt all man kind just to satiate their greed?nah,not even hell can accomodate the cursed lot.they should repent and you too! mention Zion and fire shall burn you pale white like a dead dog or pig; just like your Ang-low ancestors. do you think the English were born in England? why; even the English langauge didnt exist a few years back! it’s a hybrid of Latin,French and Spanish .’ english’ was coined out of ‘Anglo- Irish’ when Anglosaxons sought to subdue the Irish,just as the Jews wish they were Jews so they call themselves Jew-wish! probl;em is you rad too much His-story;the white man’s story and you never read I-story;My-Black Story-which remains a Mystery to all you pale skin fell-ass.Point of information; whites are cuirsed wanderers preordained to wander the earth plundeing and waar mongering their reighn of terror on earth for a specified short time soon to end. Seek Zion in thy cursed heart;for Zion is Heaven on earth and it’s the inner peace of mionds expressed by love and harmony and bcaked by equality for the entire human race;but why do the inferior dog race claim superiority?are they superior-phobic?the white devils.Jah rule.Selah Reighn.Bl;ack race Jah Jah race. Geta copy of the king James versuion Bible and read Psalms,.you’ll se JAH praised and you sand higher chances of being forgiven for thy sins nd abomination on the face of mother Earth for Jah afther Alpha reighns with mother Omega nature to sustainus on earth. Meditation. Prophesy. I-vine wisdom.For what was hidden fropm the wise and prudent is now being revealed to the yougn and suckling in this NOW -Test-a-men-t. Man is here to be tetsed by Jah for faith,obedience and truth righteousness;but nothing tatses bitter than the truth to the evil and heathen

  3. I am a French citizen, but especially a Breton of Brittany. I know very well the history of my people and Great Britain in the Celtic period.
    What I read on this article is totally false and depressing, which misses opaqueness on behalf of BBC. The colonization of the British iles was made with majority by the Celts but which didn’t have the same DNA, the West of England was colonized by Celts come from the Atlantic Coasts, and the East by Celts coming from Netherlands and from Belgium. It is thus normal to obtain genetic resemblances today between Dutch and east English. This observation has nothing to do with the Saxon phenomenon, the Celtic gene does not exist, the Celtic civilization was united by the faiths, the language, the traditions and not by the blood.

    1. Daniel, i would love to visit Brittany, which I believe is one of the seven Celtic nations, which in alphabetical order are : Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland, Man, Scotland, Vortigerns nation, Wales.
      I think the language, religion, and worldly character of the Anglo-Saxons who invaded Afghani… sorry, invaded Vortigern’s kingdom are so different to the mystical unorganizable Celts that they really cannot be considered to be of the same culture at all.

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