Original West Africans Of Ancient Greece!!! The Black (First) Europeans III

Genetic Linkages Between West Africa and Ancient Greece:

HLA genes allele distribution has been studied in Mediterranean and sub-Saharan populations. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, neighbour-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses.

The population genetic relationships have been compared with the history of the classical populations living in the area. A revision of the historic postulates would have to be undertaken, particularly in the cases when genetics and history are overtly discordant. HLA genomics shows that: 1) Greeks share an important part of their genetic pool with sub-Saharan Africans (Ethiopians and west Africans) also supported by Chr 7 Markers.

The gene flow from Black Africa to Greece may have occurred in Pharaonic times or when Saharan people emigrated after the present hyperarid conditions were established (5000 years B.C.).

2) Turks (Anatolians) do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Asians Turks carried out an invasion with cultural significance (language), it is not genetically detectable.

3) Kurds and Armenians are genetically very close to Turks and other Middle East populations.

4) There is no HLA genetic trace of the so called Aryan invasion, which has only been defined on doubtful linguistic bases.

5) Iberians, including Basques, are related to north-African Berbers.

6) Present-day Algerian and Moroccan urban and country people show an indistinguishable Berber HLA profile.

Authors:

Arnaiz-Villena A, Gomez-Casado E, Martinez-Laso J.

Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.

Tissue Antigens. 2002 Aug;60(2):111-21.

PMID: 12392505 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

Article: Population genetic relationships between Mediterranean populations determined by HLA allele distribution and a historic perspective.

146 thoughts on “Original West Africans Of Ancient Greece!!! The Black (First) Europeans III”

  1. Pseudo science again. Direct ancestor lineage goes back only a few hundred years, not THOUSANDS of years. No genetic scientist can trace family genealogical lineage over two thousands years, but nice try. Next you’ll be telling us you are related to Jesus. LOL! All Europeans(Greeks, English, Italians, French, Germans, etc.) are pale skin ‘whites’, not blacks.

  2. Dave

    You are not white like a crayon colour. You are pink.

    According to Nina Jablonski (your own blood European sister), The evolution of human skin coloration, 2000: The human skin colour ranges from Dark brown skin to tan to light(pink/yellow).

    Why is that simple fact so hard for you to admit. Go look at your mirror again before you come back to answer.

    Your skin colour is pink or pinkish…true or false?

  3. What is true is that mine and every other European’s(Greeks, English, Italians, French, Germans, etc.) persons out there skin tone is light/pale or ‘pink/yellow’. So whatever your supposed point was supposed to be here is once more moot.

  4. No Dave, the Greeks and the Sicilians are light brown to dark brown in pigmentation.

    Most English who trace their lines to either the anglo-saxon conquest or the viking invasions are pink. Germanics are pink also as the nordic French.

    Southern French people are brown to dark brown.

    You need to go find out from your pink ancestor how come you are so different from every other person on earth. Thatz what I mean.

    Where are you from? Why are you the only pink ones? Why are you so pink with rage??

  5. You are as always wrong again Jahdey.

    Greeks, French and Italians are light skin people not dark brown like you; they are genetically related to and their phenotypes are that of those found in other Caucasian Europeans. Oh wait I know they only let light skin people into their all MANDATORY militaries, right. Their militaries are made up from their WHOLE general populations & from ALL their regions(north, south, east and west). Even their dark haired individuals have pale skin when not in the sun. I suggest you stop mistaken tans on people as their natural skin color.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhK2wdNb-lI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92aLs8s0cxg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqYcvsU43lY

    RACIAL GROUPINGS MATCH GENETIC PROFILES, STANFORD STUDY FINDS – Stanford University Medical Center:
    “When the team further analyzed each of the four clusters, they found two distinct sub-groups within the East Asian genetic cluster. These two groups correlated with people who identified themselves as Chinese and Japanese. None of the other genetic groups could be broken down into smaller sub-sections. THIS SUGGESTS THAT THERE ISN’T ENOUGH GENETIC DIFFERENCE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE ANCESTRY FROM NORTHERN EUROPE VERSUS SOUTHERN EUROPE, for example.”
    http://med.stanford.edu/news_releases/2005/january/racial-data.htm

    I suggest you go find your brown ancestors and stop trying to turn historic ancient European light skin populations into ‘Africans’ when they are not.

  6. Hehehehe

    I am embarrassed for you!

    You who would vituperate about the “black” skin of brown-skinned Africans are now tongue tied to physically described your self.

    I thought you “was” white. LOL

    Go ahead, be bold and tell me your real colour pigmentation.

    David…are you a white or a pink man?

    Jahdey

  7. The day you embarrass anyone, Jahdey, is the day cows fly over the moon.

    Since you can’t comprehend simple answers, again I am the same color and phenotypes as all other Europeans (Greeks, English, Italians, French, Germans, etc.) are pale/light skin tone = ‘white’.

    African phenotypes are “dark brown” = ‘black’. ;p

  8. Dave you are pink because there is no colour like “light” so to speak.

    Don’t you dare call your arse white again here cause now you have been taught a lesson in skin colour pigmentation.

    Northern Europeans are all pinkish in colour. I do not want to dishonour you by suggesting that you are yellow.

    So be PROUD of your COLOUR Mister Dave aka “Mr. Sickle Cell is caused by Malaria Parasite”. PINK!

    1. Jahdey is right i am Greek and i wouldnt consider greeks the same as northern europeans. Northern europeans are pinckish.and burn easily . Most of us are tanned olove or loght brownish. Theres are few pale whites although they do exist. But this would be normal.considering greeces position and all differnt types of neighboirs . I personally dont consider us anglo saxon* white*. We werent even considered whites in 1900s in Us and Australia etc… we cant forget that

  9. Jahdey who can’t comprehend the fact that Sickle Cell is not some ‘genetic race’ marker.

    I am proud of my “PINK” skin(the politically correct term used by some for obvious reasons) that is found in ALL European people (Greeks, English, Italians, French, Germans, etc.) alike. Europeans have the same phenotypes, such as facial features & light/pale coloring, including SOUTHERN Europeans, not just Northern Europeans, as you so incorrectly claimed. Try to pick out the Greeks from the Americans, Germans, Czech, and Austrians from the clip below if you can…. ;p
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QavZsO7A54k

    More “PINK” Greeks who are similar genetically, culturally etc. to all European people, not “brown Africans”. ;p
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhKnnf60kn4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dFLkxFBNZ4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJWnL8Xp1kI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65AiRM2mjVM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDDP5wZ5G-E

    For a person to teach something s/he much be knowledgeable in the facts and its been established you are not.

  10. Dave

    Where are you writing from? Seriously, tell me the country you are in? I am in North America, are you there too or in Europe?

    Jahdey

  11. Fine. Keep your eyes open for the Moorish Science Temple guys. You may be interested to hear what they have to say. They are numerous in the States. I am in Canada currently, but I also live in the States.

    All said Dave, you do not feel like a bad guy. You sound somewhat young though.

    Keep on searching and questioning. If you are sincere you will see the answer…

    Jahdey

  12. Guys all this conversation is pointless.Did you read what Cavalli wrote?We should take into account anthropology and historical data to interpret any findings in genetics.Yes,the DNA findings confirm what is already known.There is the same DNA all over mediteranean coast,in Greece,Sicily,south Italy,west Turkey, etc because there lived Greeks.They had colonies all along the coast.All the genetic studies will show the same.
    The DNA of Greeks inside the cuntry,far from coast is different because there lived mostly Slavs,Albaninas etc.There is high R1a haplotype frequency in Greece,about 12% due to slavic population.Everything is clear.

    What we need?We need studies on ancient Greek skeleton DNAs,both mt and Y and then comparison to DNA of modern Greeks.Since we lack these studies,everything else is just an assumption.(maybe strong indication,however an assumption).
    For example similar studies showed genetic similarity between ancient Phoinices and today’s Lebanese who live in the same region.Let’s see what the same kind of study will show for Greece.

    Of course all these problems are highly prejudiced and have consequences regarding racial issues,so an independant,objective study is what needed and very difficult to achieve,sth not sponsored by any state or racial organization.
    Let’s see if people are brave enough to let such a study develop in Greece and the whole balkan region.Corpses will tell the truth.

  13. Ok for one where did you get the false assumption that ancient Greek skeleton DNAs,both mt and Y and then comparison to DNA of modern Greeks were not done? Do you know how many such studies have been conducted which proves ancient Greeks and modern Greeks not only are the same BUT part of the Caucasian cluster? Obviously not when you make such false statements. Modern studies have constructed Greek genetic trees revealing a strong degree of homogeneity between Greeks from different geographical locations. Median networks revealed that most of the Greek haplotypes are clustered to the five known haplogroups and that a number of haplotypes are shared among Greeks and other European and Eurasian populations. Within the loci studied, the genetic composition of the Greeks indicates a significantly low level of heterogeneity compared with other European populations. Modern scholars and scientists have supported the notion that there is a racial connection to the ancient Greeks. Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, and Alberto Piazza, have found evidence of a genetic connection between the ancient and modern Greeks.[79]

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