The Original Black African Arabs of Arabia (Part 1)
By:
Ogu Eji-Ofo Annu
“If one understood Arab Culture it is immediately apparent that Blackness is highly cherished conceptually and in reality. In Arab culture the best camel is the black one the best Fig is the blackest, the best eyes are black, the best olives are black, the most beautiful rock is the Black Kaaba. Any Bedouin Arab that is asked his color, would undoubtedly respond Asmar or Aswad which means Black/Brown. No Arab ever describes himself as Bidan which means White. ”
Who are the Arabs:
In today’s world, one is seducively led by the racist western media to believe that the Arabs of Arabia and Africa represent a peculiar phenotype with all other non-conforming types being somewhat alien to that concept. In this way they impose a certain central Asian phenotype as the “racial Arab” and the almost ubiquitous Black Arabs of the modern times as either descendants of slaves or immigrants.
In this way, they attempt to disconnect the linkage between the ancient Kushitic Black Arabs globally celebrated in antiquity (now reclassified as some “caucasoid” “semitics”) and their Kushitic African roots. This article is therefore another blow against the citadel of falsehood erected by the western intelligensia used to discourage, dis-empower dissipate and diffuse the energy of the Black nation. Again one notes and deplores the unrelenting effort by non-continental peoples to appropriate the history and the achievements of brilliant Black African luminaries as their own.
Much confusion attends the word “Arabs”, because it has not always been used with rigourous consistency. Moreover, in the wake of the global dominance of the Arab culture and Islamic political power in the between 7AD and 14 AD, the number of Arabs increased exponentially by the addition of many non Arab Arabized people, because acculturation and assimilation were delibrately fostered by state policy.
Today, the word Arabs does not strictly imply or designate any known racial category of people. It is an ethnic identification that has several aspect including liguistics, politics and genealogy. Its meaning is nuanced depending on the particular context.
As an ethnic identity, an Arab is someone who considers himself to be an Arab regardless of racial or ethnic origin. This definition encompasses many Africans, Indians, Indonesians and Chinese who describe themselves as Arabs.
Usually the first language of persons who claim to be Arab is Arabic. There are over 200 million people worldwide whose first language is Arabic. Again these peoples spread over a large portion of the globe spanning from central Africa to central Asia. More than 70% of the so-called Arabs in the world live physically in Africa.
Given that the Arabic language is a Semitic language, which forms part of the Afro-Asia language family, which originated in Africa, one can rightly view Arabic as an African language. Of the official languages of the African Union that include English, French, Spanish, Portugese, and Arabic, Arabic language is the only Afro-Asiatic language spoken. The rest are Euro-Aryan English, French, Spanish and Portugese. See Uwechia Jide; Hamito-Semitic Africa: http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/04/10/hamito-semitic-africa-semites-of-africa-ii/. See also Peter T. Daniels, Origin of Semitic: https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2004-January/011842.html.
Viewed from a political perspective, someone who is a resident or citizen of a country where Arabic is an official or national language, or is a member of the Arab League or is part of the wider Arab world is an Arab. This definition would cover more than 300 million people. Under this definition, there are more Arabs in Africa than anywhere else in the universe. Most of those Arabs that live in Africa are Black Africans, from Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Eriteria, Kenya Tanzannia, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. Many of them trace their ancestry to Yemen.
On its formation in 1946, the Arab League defined an “Arab” as: “… a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic speaking country, who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic speaking peoples.” The Arab League’s definition of an Arab leaves no room for any racialist twist on the meaning of Arab and Arabic. These words simply denote ethnicity. Yet again, based upon this definition, there are more Black Africans who have a legitimate claim to the Arabic ethnicity than anywhere else in the world.
According to Habib Hassan Touma (1996, p.xviii), “An ‘Arab’, in the modern sense of the word, is one who is a national of an Arab state, has command of the Arabic language, and possesses a fundamental knowledge of Arabian tradition, that is, of the manners, customs, and political and social systems of the culture.” Here again, one finds that there more Black African Arabs based on this definiton than any other regional phenotype that lays claim to that heritage.
A hadith related by Ibn Asakir in Tarak Dimashq and attributed to Islam’s prophet Muhammad states that :”Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab.” < http://www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=266&main_cat_id=11>.
Genealogically, an Arab is someone who can trace his or her ancestry back to the original inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula. Different groups estimate the relative importance of these factors differently. Most people who consider themselves Arabs do so on the basis of the overlap of the political and linguistic definitions.
Since there are so many different phenotypes all considered as Arabs, the query posed and answered by this paper then is: who are the original Arabs? Were they Black or White or Black and White? It is posited here that the original Arabs were Black African Kushites from the Nile valley who had settled in southwest Asia in the Arabian Peninsula in ancient times.
They were Kushitic-Ethiopians, speakers of an African prototypical Semitic language who had left from an area falling between the regions bordered by modern day Dafur in Sudan and Asmara in Eriteria. They took their African genes, their African intelligence, their African culture, their African language and their African love and built the ancient and the modern civilization known as Arabic civilization. In the paragraphs that follow, one is gradually introduced to the original Black Kushitic Arabs. See Uwechia Jide; Hamito-Semitic Africa: http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/04/10/hamito-semitic-africa-semites-of-africa-ii/. See also Peter T. Daniels, Origin of Semitic: https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2004-January/011842.html.
Black Arabs and Classical Literature
Up to a century and a half ago our information concerning Arabia was based mainly on Greek and Latin writers, such as Herodotus (Histories), Diodorus Siculus (Bibliotheca Historica), Strabo (Geography, Book XVI), Pliny, Ptolemy, and others. All those writers reported without any equivocation that Arabia was part of the ancient Kingdom of Ethiopia Kush, extending from Africa into Solomon Islands.
Later Arabic writers and geographers, such as Hamadani’s “Arabian Peninsula,” Bekri and Yaqut’s geographical and historical dictionaries, and similar works also provide extremely valuable. However, those works are to be treated with caution because they contain fabulous and legendary traditions, partly based on native popular legends and partly on Jewish and rabbinical fancies.
From the available literature and authorities, historians have broadly divided Arabs into three classes according to their different great ancestors. They are:
The original Black Arabs who were supposedly punished by destruction and deluge because, as legend has it in the book of Quran, they disobeyed their Prophets and flouted God’s instructions; they were: Ad, Thamud, Tasam, Jadeis, Imru.
The classical Black Arabs, who are believed to have descended from Yaarub ibn Yashjub ibn Ghatan and thus called Ghataniyun. They had lived in the Yemen; they included a number of tribes and sub-tribes, two of which became historically prominent viz., Himyar and Kahlan (al’arab al’ariba).
The Arabized Arabs: These tribes immigrated into Arabia from different sections of central Asia. Many of them intermarried with the desert dwelling nomadic blemmyes – the Bejas (original Bedouin Arabs) and the Somali, Kenyan and Ethiopian tribes of Africa. Their mix -blood children who adopted a mingled form of their parents cultures are known as the Arabized Arabs (al ‘arab al musta ‘riba).
Today, upon the dictates of the western intelligensia, this banch is the so-called prototypical Arabs. They are the picture boys of the white-semitic theories which seek to claim that some white or at the very least some off-white people were and remain the original and only Arabians. By employing vague and non-categorical semantics with words like “Semites,” ‘Hamites,” Ishmaelites,” “caucasiods,” the western negro-phobic intelligensia and educational establishment seek to erase every trace of black Africa from Arabia.
Nonetheless, if one understood Arab culture it is immediately apparent that Blackness is highly cherished conceptually and in reality. In Arab culture the best camel is the black one the best fig is the blackest, the best eyes are black, the best olives are black, the most beautiful rock is the Black Kaaba. Any Bedouin Arab that is asked his color, would undoubtedly respond Asmar or Aswad which means Black/Brown. No Arab ever describes himself as Bidan which means White because they all understand instinctively if not consciously that Africa is their root.
The Black Arabs as described in “Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews”:
Josephus was a soldier, priest and scholar who was born in 37 AD. His written works are seminal in western history and for many centuries were some of the most widely read and influential books of the western civilization. In the paragraphs that immediately follow, excerpts of Josephus’ commentary on the Arabs and near easterners who were contemporary to his period are reproduced. See The Catholich Encyclopadia < http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm>
According to Josephus:
“The children of Ham (note: Ham is the archetypal ancestor Black people according to Hebrew, Arabic and Jewish legends) possessed the land from Syria and Amanus (modern Jordan), and the mountains of Libanus (modern Lebanon); seizing upon all that was on its sea-coasts, and as far as the ocean, and keeping it as their own.
Some indeed of its names are utterly vanished away; others of them being changed, and another sound given them, are hardly to be discovered; yet a few there are which have kept their denominations entire. For of the four sons of Ham, time has not at all hurt the name of Chus; for the Ethiopians, over whom he reigned, are even at this day, both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Chusites. The memory also of the Mesraites is preserved in their name; for all we who inhabit this country [of Judea] called Egypt Mestre, and the Egyptians Mestreans.
Phut also was the founder of Libya, and called the inhabitants Phutites, from himself: there is also a river in the country of Moors which bears that name; whence it is that we may see the greatest part of the Grecian historiographers mention that river and the adjoining country by the apellation of Phut: but the name it has now has been by change given it from one of the sons of Mesraim, who was called Lybyos. We will inform you presently what has been the occasion why it has been called Africa also.
Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, inhabited the country now called Judea, and called it from his own name Canaan. The children of these [four] were these: Sabas, who founded the Sabeans (Editor’s note: the Black Arabs, the Yemenites,); Evilas, who founded the Evileans, who are called Getuli; Sabathes founded the Sabathens (Editors note: the Black Hadramutians, Sabatha was the ancient capital of Hadramut), they are now called by the Greeks Astaborans; Sabactas settled the Sabactens (note: the Black Southern Arabians also called Omanites); and Ragmus the Ragmeans (note: a Black Arab section of south western Arabia mentioned frequently in Sabean inscriptions); and he had two sons, the one of whom, Judadas, settled the Judadeans, a nation of the western Ethiopians, and left them his name; as did Sabas to the Sabeans: but Nimrod, the son of Chus (the Black ancient Iraqi Arabs), staid and tyrannized at Babylon, as we have already informed you.
Now all the children of Mesraim, being eight in number, possessed the country from Gaza to Egypt, though it retained the name of one only, the Philistim; for the Greeks call part of that country Palestine. As for the rest, Ludieim, and Enemim, and Labim, who alone inhabited in Libya, and called the country from himself, Nedim, and Phethrosim, and Chesloim, and Cephthorim, we know nothing of them besides their names; for the Ethiopic war which we shall describe hereafter, was the cause that those cities were overthrown. The sons of Canaan were these: Sidonius, who also built a city of the same name; it is called by the Greeks Sidon.”
November 26, 2006
To Be Continued in Part 2.
Being that the terms “Africa” and “African” are recent terms coined by the European, I’d like to know exactly what you mean when you use these terms. Is it possible to use these words when speaking about history and the origins of people?
Josephus said the trogodytes of Africa were the descendants of Keturah (ancestral to the modern black Kathiri of Oman and the Yemen) who had spread into the Libya and gave their name to Africa.
He calls them Madiau (the modern Bedja or ancient Medjai of Sinai northern east Africa otherwise known as the Midianites), Ephren,(modern Afars and Afari of the Eritrean Coast and Somalia modern Ifuras Tuareg), Anoch or Henoch (modern Kel Inneg Tuareg and Danakil formerly known as the Anag’il of the Bedja), Ephah (modern black Yafaai of Yemen), Abida, and Elda’ah (ancient Yada’il or Yathil of the ancient Himyarite kingdoms).
Josephus also names the related Dedan or Judadas as a nation of Western Ethiopians and the Asshurim or Surim of Africa – the ancient predatory Tuarek tribe of Ausuriani of Libya now called Wasuri as the Asshurim who founded Assyria.
The ancient writers did not distinguish between Ham Shem and Japhet as different colored populations they were all Africans who had settled among the gentiles and whose Gods Hammon (Ham) Sham (Saman, Shamsu)and Jah have been adopted by those they settled among.
This is very interesting information; But I Dont agree with your theories; I believe Cush is modern day ethiopia; And there is no evidence to the color of the children of Noah (being that God could care less about the color) And it would be obvious that there had to be people of various colors throughout the world at a particular time; I’ve never seen a Chinese, Caucasian, or a Aswar (brown/dark skinned) person give birth to anything else but the same looking individual; Lets stop focusing on Africa and color and give praise to the Only true God of Jesus Christ; who made man Africa is jus a piece of land. If “black” people are the originators then why they can’t have causcasian, chinese, indian, polynesian, or middle eastern looking babies its simple they can’t without mixing solets get humble and except that God is the creator we’re just the creation.
It comes as no surprise that the least informed or the least studied will make such statements as that positioned by True, even when faced with the historical accounts of scholars who were contemporaneous to the regions and closer to the time in question than are they. The further confusion they stubbornly express, despite living in an age where the sciences of Genetics and Languages are so readily available, and, with respect to Genetics so overwhelmingly evident, is absolutely mind boggling, yet revealing of the shackles which have been placed on their minds with “The Bookâ€. They fail even to recognize those parts of the arguments which are cited in the book itself. This phenomenon, which can be explained by either not having read the text from Genesis to Revelation, and many who profess to be christians conciously avoid being confronted wth uncomfortable truths, or else, are unable to understand and follow the text in and outside of “The Bookâ€. I thank God, yes God in It’s four aspects, that I was present of mind from early childhood, to ask the courageous question of blasphemy, and as well, to seek knowledge outside of the book. And in an effort to demonstrate balance here, I have read and continue to read the Abrahamic Scriptures.
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Hey, True, truth is a plane on the Level…
I think rac is being emphasized in a negative way. I have a question for all of you posters. Who has actually lived among arabs for extensive amounts of time? Who is married to an arab and is not arab themselves? Who has actually studied the Quran? Well I am an american who has lived among arabs for the past three years,and married to an arab.And I think most of these so called facts you people come up with are bolognese.
the problem with most unstudied individuals such as nelson and true is there over simplization of the historical facts . so i will make the facts even simplier. 1 BLACKS WHERE HERE FIRST.2 THE ORIGINAL BLACK MAN HAD AND PRESENTLY HAS ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF EVERY RACIAL GROUP ON EARTH.THESE DIFERENT CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ORIGINAL BLACK MAN MOVE OUT AND SETTLED IN DIFFERENTPARTS PARTS OF THE GLOBE .OVER THOSANDS OF YEARS EACH OF THESE INDIVIUAL TRAITS INTER BREAD THERE BY CREATING WHAT NOW CALL A PARTICULAR CULTURE>>>> SQ CALL CHINESE SO CALL INDIAN SO CALL ARABS SO CALL WHAT HAVE YOU INCLUDING THE BE THAT AS IT MAY THE WHITE MAN > ALLLLLL BEEIINNG FROM BLACK MAN THANK YOU KINDLY
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If You Are Muslim I Would First Like To Wish You Ramadan Mubarek, For You Are Truely A Guardian Of Our Legacy, A Defender Of Truth, And A Prime Element In The Restoration of The Asiatic Blackman. You Have Meticulously Conected Many Of The Dots All Exposing The Destroyer From The North
IThank Allah, The Evil One’s Time Has Run Out.
May Allah Bless You And Keep You Stronger Than Ever For This Powerful Work You Have Done
it seems a nice discussion we are having here. i would just like to chip in as, a black man from nigeria of both yoruba abd fulani ancestory that the link between black africa ( recognized s bilad -e- sudan) and the middle east goes on from time immemorial. the yorubas, for a fact, traced their ancestory to the middle east and the fulanis have features in keeping with the “so-called” caucasoid stereotype. The fact of continous migrations and attendant intermingling of races is phenotypically evident through out africa. well, to say arabs are light or dark skinned is not in any way going to redress the biting poverty, backwardness and dissillussionment bedevilling both africa and the middle east. i rather think its time we start seeing ourselves like japanese (better yet, koreans) and make moves to emerge from this state of retrogression and then, really then.. even nordic types will “remember” that they were actually descended from “noble” BLACK cro-magnons.
As Salaamu Alaikum,
In the Name of Allah the Most Compassionate and Merciful.
I found this article very informative. Great to read beautiful academic writing that aims towards the re-education of the real Semites. For everyone else “don’t hate”! Obviously enough damage has been done by the Romans and their slaves. As the old saying goes “truth knocks the bottom out of falsehood”. It is somewhat difficult to change the hearts of the ignorant and those who are cursed with having a veil pulled over their hearts.
What is projected as a “so-called” Arab today is not the Arab of yesterday. The “Classical Arabs” had a distinct culture and a very complex linguistical format, which is contrary to today’s Arabs (generally speaking) who have adopted many western values and have forgotten much of true Arab history, not to mention adulterated the Arabic language. As a student in the Arabic language department of a well known Big Ten university I became aware of the political/racial conspiracy to separate Arabic language from Africa. I even made the comment “Since Arabic is in the Afro-Asiatic language family then shouldn’t the Arabic Department be listed under the African Studies Dept?” The fact is that the Westerners/Romans would like to divide and conquer all the peoples of the world and make them think that they were the originators of civilization. They brainwash people into thinking that the current geo-political maps and educational systems made by the them is also historically accurate as well (Definately an Orwelian concept). Bottom line, if Arabic was in the African Studies Dept. then many Blacks will come to know who they truly are. The Semitic languages are in fact African (Sudanese). Sudan meaning the two lands of the Blacks, situated between the “Red Sea”, which encompass the present day African continent as well as the Arabian Peninsula. Historical evidence has proven that the Ethiopian/Habasha empire included southern Arabia.
Another point to consider would be the term “Genuine Arab”, which is the Arab of the south, with a Semitic language distinct from Arabic called “Old Arabian”. This languge existed amongst the people of the Southern Arabian Gulf (Oman/Bahrain/Qatar/UAE/Yemen/East Africa). Linguistical evidence has proven that Ethiopian/Somali words and cultural norms were prevalent in the traditions of the “Genuine Arab”. The Genuine Arabs were not Roman-Mulattoes and I have personally mistaken many of them to be African Americans or Morrocans (who the two are genetically tied themselves).
In returning to the topic of the Black Arab lets understand our discussion in another light: An American of today and an American of 1000 years ago are totally different. The classical American inhabitant who was Black and/or Brown has been virtually wiped out through the means of genocide.
If anyone has had the opportunity to view ancient Egyptian(Misrean) sculptures, They definately don’t look like the people who dominate that landmass (Egypt) in modern times. They were clearly Black people.
I won’t go into details, but this interview (available on google video) made me reflect on the Kiss FM interview with Farrakhan discussing the situation in Darfur when he touched on the subject of racism and (let’s face it) the Roman Judeao-Christian’s ongoing attempts at denying Blacks their right as the teachers and originators of civilization. Not to mention all the precious metals and fertile soil that exist in Africa. Black people have a right to self determination, including the right to accurately state their history when others do not. As we now many other ethnic groups have not been historically accurate in the dipiction of the original Arab peoples. Peace
I am Christian and an Indian American (originally from India). I hope that everyone will read my article “Negro Slavery and The Myth of Ham’s Curse” on my website at http://www.religionscience.com.
I loved this information, may Allah reward you for the research and make you apart of the inheritance that is and is to come. I believe muslims who happen to be black can rejoice in this revealed info that has been surpressed and hidden from the masses of people, thank you. I hope u uncover more and more that enlightens the people and help black people understand who they are in the who symphony of things. I also hope that you will pull back the covers of the true Identity of the Isrealites. Not those who claim the lineage in Isreal today, because we know the hebrews of Ethopia who were airlifted there some years back are being oppressed much like the blacks in America and other Western Nations. Please uncover that and dispell the myths, I appreciate u so much, thank you..
What is missing from the history of slavery is the Arab slave traders’ extensive role. The Arabs enslaved African way before the arrival of the white man to the African shores. In Saudi Arabia slavery was practiced until early 1900. The Sultan of Oman, with the help of the British, made Zanzibar his own farm, enslaved the population, and transformed the city into a big plantation for cloves, cardamom, and spices that was desired by British and many others. In the Persian Gulf and Yemen, if you visit the small villages, one can’t help but see the descendants of the African slaves every where you turn. In modern day Arabia, many live in slumps, poor and at the bottom of the social scale. One good note is that one can hear the African drums in the Persian Gulf music; in fact, most of the drummers are those of darker complexion. I can say that the west acknowledged it and to some degree is coming to terms with it. In Arabia however, there is a total silence. I recommend the book “Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora”, by Ronald Segal
I don’t wish to insult or harm anybody’s feelings around here, so I’ll try to be as careful as possible when replying to this article. First of all, I’m an Arab Muslim who currently resides in the Arabian Peninsula. I think some of you may be mis-informed about Arabs and where they originate from. To put simply, Arabs originate from the Arabian Pensinula and no other place. That’s the furthest we could ever trace an Arab person. Contrary to common scientific beliefs, Africa is not the homeland of the Arab people. Regularly you’d find a group of people who claim that all world populations originally come from Africa, including White Caucasians, Oriental Asians, White Slavics, Celtics, Germanics, etc. Africa, as seen by various scientists, is the homeland of all human beings. Personally, I only think this is a way to keep African-Americans happy especially after all the racism they had to put through in the United States for hundreds of years. It’s just a way to shut them up, or so to speak. I know this comment might hurt some of you, but believe me my intentions are not racist. I am only here to speak the truth. Truthfully speaking, thousands of politically-correct “white” scientists felt guilty of all the sufferings that black Africans had to go through around the world, particularly in western countries. So they come up with this scheme to appraise the black people, by claiming that human beings originated from Africa.
Here’s my view. Unfortunately, black Africans have been accredited to almost every single civilization on Earth. First, they seek the glory of Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Libyans. Second, they seek the glory of the Aztec people. Third, and now, they are seeking the glory of Semitic Arabs who lived in a peninsula somewhere off the coast of Ethiopia. Let’s be honest, shall we? Arabs are not black and were never black. If you see a black Arab then it could only mean one thing, his or her family interracially mixed with African tribes which might explain why he or she has a darker skin colour than the rest of the Arabs. In truth, Arabs are originally white. In fact, if you go to extreme cases you would find out that some researchers have linked them to the Caucasoid race. We know that in this world there are 3 major races: Caucasoid, Mongloid, Negroid races. Black Africans and Blacks from the Indian sub-continent or the Australian continent are part of the Negroid race. Aztecs, native North American tribes, Chinese, Mongolians and other slant-eyed people belong to the Mongloid race. People with fair skin, fair facial expressions and appearances belong to the Caucasoid race, this includes Arabs.
Although an Arab might call himself an “Asmar”, it doesnt necessarily mean “black”. Arabic is such a complicated language. For example, blacks are often offended when an Arab calls them “abeed” because the word “abeed” means “slave” in Arabic. Thats not true, however. “Abeed” actually means “worshipper”. Take the name “Abdullah”, it means “Worshipper of God” or “Servant of God”. Slave has another Arabic word, which isnt “abeed”. Similarly, people have mistakenly suggested that “Asmar” means black. “Asmar” means tan, neither white or black; call it brown! “Aswad”, on the other hand, means black. I assure you, not a single Arab will call himself Aswad because its highly unlikely you’d find a black Arab. Most Arabs are tanned or white. Arabs don’t like calling themselves white because they know that there are “whiter” people out there in this world. So they prefer calling themselves brown, which is an intermediate colour. As for the Arabic language, Arabic originates from the Semitic language family, which is MIDDLE EASTERN. Arabic is NOT an African language. Don’t be fooled by the term “AFRO-ASIATIC”. Afro-Asiatic is simply a term given to us by westerners who didn’t give a rat’s behind about the differences between some group of people across the red sea. Afro-Asiatic is an intermediate term describing someone who speaks a language which originates BETWEEN Asia and Africa, i.e. the Middle East. It, in no way, corresponds to the fact that Arabic has African OR Asian origins. It simply means that it is an intermediate of the two. The Semitic language family originated from Iraq, Mesapotamia to be more specific. This brings me to my final point.
Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, etc form the Semitic race, which is a race native to the Arabian Peninsula and Levant. It is a Middle Eastern race, non-affiliated to Africa or Asia.
As for Ancient Egyptians, it goes without saying that the FIRST known civilization on Earth was the Sumerian Civilization that originated in Iraq (Middle East). Historians dated that after the collapse of the First Iraqi civilization, people migrated to the east and west, Iran and Egypt respectively. The ones who went to the East became later known as “Elam”, and the ones in the West became later known as “Egypt”. So this concludes that Ancient Egyptians actually go back to Middle Eastern origins. Ancient Egyptians were never black to begin with. Again, they were fair-skinned groups of people.
So with all due respect my fellow friends, do not steal the glory of other people. I don’t think people would find it funny if I as an Arab claim that the Chinese civilization belonged to my own. That would mean I am discrediting the Chinese of their accomplishments and taking it on my own behalf.
Mohammad
Interesting and bold claim you make given that you have not cited one authoritative source to back up your mythologies and fake legends. When you attempt to refute a sourced article, you must provide your own sources to counter the claims.
Since Black Arabs in your lame view are mixed with “white Arabs”, then surely by the same logic one can claim that any white Arab in Arabia is just a mulatto.
The koran tells us about the Black peoples of Tamud and Ad. The original Arabs of Arabia before the advent of your forefathers the Jecanites. But the Adites and Tamudites of Arabia …those were not your forefathers, those were the original Black Kushitic Arabs as stated in the Koran. If you can contradict the koran then bring it on.
Arabia is and will always remain a part of Africa. Yemenis, Omanis, Saudis (Prince bandar Saud), Jordanians, Palestinians, Iraqis and southern Iranians are all living Black Arabs that we see today.
Black Arab Yemenis:
http://www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/yemen/ye_s27.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/yemen/ye_s25.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/yemen/ye_s29.htm
http://www.blackjadeworld.com/
Black Arab Omanis:
http://www.omanet.om/english/culture/images/Fold15.JPG
http://www.foodmuseum.com/images/siffomanicook.jpg
http://www.collectorsprints.co.uk/images/stock/susan_crawford/omani_boy_on_his_arab.jpg
Black Arab Iranians (from the Ethnic Arab provinces of Iran)
Black Iranians from the Region of Bandar Abbas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/onlocation/media/iran21.jpg
http://pr.sv.net/aw/2005/March/english/images/Pagea3.jpg
http://www.payvand.com/news/07/jun/Gonu-BandarAbbas1.jpg
Black Iranians from Baluchistan and Sistan Province
http://www.persiatours.com/woman_herds_baluch-iran.jpg
Black iranian from Chabahar Province
http://www.moezsoft.com/images/chabahar.jpg
So ‘hammad, read somemore and you will soon realize that the rambling tales of your Jecanite grandfathers are simply tales that would steal Black people’s history if they could.
Jahdey
Jahdey;
One thing we know for sure is that our common African ancestry pre-dates any religion Jewish or Ismalic and certainly therefore Christianity. I follow the Red Path and I do not discriminate against anyones religious belief unless they impose their’s upon me. But here is a clear difference between origin and religion. I have seen people say J is Jewish. Nothing could be further from the truth. This line far pre-dates the existence of th first Jewish person.
Best Regards
Rasman
Rasman
Whatz the red path?
On J haplogroup, yes you are certainly right, J was before any religion.
Moreover, our common African ancestry does not only date from 50KYA only. The linkage never broke, the stream was continually replenished from the source. Right until this day the bond holds us still.
Recognize too that this 50KYA ancestor was no half ape man. He was as modern as any of us. Those stone age people were pretty sophisticated and we owe them our knowledge of mining, natural sciences like chemistry, physics, astronomy, etc.
They were a people of knowledge and culture. They spread the seed from Africa. It produced the field of humanity.
One love
Jahdey
Jahdey:
Are Caucasians white or black? They are white, REGARDLESS of where humanity originated from. So let me ask you again, are Arabs black or non-black? Forget where humanity comes from and think carefully. If you people say original Arabs were black then are you also stating that original Chinese, Caucasian, Indian, Russian, Iberian, Persian, etc – people are all black? In that case, glory hunters, you are able or free to take pride in every single civilization that existed on this planet. Do you really think this is fair? Let us assume you are Nigerian and I am Algerian. Let us assume Nigeria builds the greatest civilization in this planet and ultimately becomes super-power. Where’s the logic in ME taking the glory of what YOU (Nigerians) have achieved? Its your’s, not mine. So lets look back at what this article. It states that original Arabs are black, i.e. Tamud and Ad. You are challenging me to disprove the Quran and words of Allah? Sorry but I cannot do that, nor can you prove to me from the Quran and from God’s words that these people were black. So if you rely on the Quran to describe to you the skin colour of Tamud and Ad then you are 100% foolish. All this article did was copy and paste something written from another website, and all the article did was add the word “black” in front of the word “arab”. Really I am disgusted at how blacks in this world are trying to put their finger prints into every known civilizatio in this planet. In a matter of no time, black people might also take pride in the Roman Empire – yes, the Roman Empire wasnt white, it was black but the devilish white British historians changed history and made Romans turn into white people. Do you not see the irony in me posting this? Do you see me, as an Arab, claiming that the British Empire is actually an Arab Empire because “oh, certain DNA traces found that anglo-saxons were originally from Iraq” – WOW! I guess that means the British Empire is an Arab, not EUROPEAN, achievement.
I pray you see the irony that I wish to speak of.
If you are truly religious or Muslim, ask yourself why all 3 Abrahamaic faiths originated in the Middle East. Prophet Abraham was born in Iraq, raised in Iraq and then MOVED to Palestine/Israel. He had two sons, one of them stayed in Israel, the other migrated south to the Arabian desert. The one who stayed in Israel had children. His children and grandchildren were then known as JEWS. The one who moved to the desert also had children, grandchildren, tribes, etc – they became known as ARABS. The first civilization on Earth was the Sumerian civilization, located in IRAQ. Thats where Id assume Abraham came from. After its collapse, people migrated to Elam and Egypt, which then became known as the Persian and Egyptian empire respectively. Jews in Israel were used as slaves and dragged along into Egypt – a foreign land. Thats right, Africa was FOREIGN land.
Arabs were never as white as PINK Europeans, and were never as dark as black Africans. It makes sense actually, now that you think about it in scientific terms. Whats the significance of being black-skinned in Arabia? Theres no significance. Africans are black because they came from CENTRAL Africa, a place which is directly hit by sunglight all YEAR round. Natural selection means that in order to protect the skin from UV light, it developed a black pigment. In Europe where light isnt direct at a 90-degree angle, people are white because they dont need so much skin protection. In Arabia, people are inbetween, they are BROWN. Blacker than a European, whiter than an African – which pretty much explains all the confusion of why people misinterpret what “asmar” actually means – it means tan.
Any dark-skinned person living in Arabia as of today is a direct result of slavery that has existed in pre-Islamic and also post-Islamic times. Slaves from Africa were brought in, they interracially mixed with Arabs, and their children became black. Its a well known issue. These blacks whom you see today in Middle East are not the original people of this land, they are people who interracially mixed with indigenous non-black Arabs.
So if you go to Germany and see a black German then your natural assumption is that hes not originally German because Native Germans arent black – so its obvious to say hes interracially mixed. Unless, of course, you also consider original Germans black… another twist in the tale perhaps.
Jahdey stated to Hamad on Feb 15 2008:
The koran tells us about the Black peoples of Tamud and Ad. The original Arabs of Arabia before the advent of your forefathers the Jecanites. But the Adites and Tamudites of Arabia …those were not your forefathers, those were the original Black Kushitic Arabs as stated in the Koran. If you can contradict the koran then bring it on.
Hamad replies:
It states that original Arabs are black, i.e. Tamud and Ad. You are challenging me to disprove the Quran and words of Allah? Sorry but I cannot do that….
Jahdey: Well Hamad you got a problem since you do not know the Black Adites and the Tamudites. Follow up on the information. Do you also know Nimrod the Kushite the builder of Mesopotamia?
Hamad said this on Feb 15 2008: People with fair skin, fair facial expressions and appearances belong to the Caucasoid race, this includes Arabs.
Hamad contradicts himself on the 16th February 2008: Arabs were never as white as PINK Europeans…. In Arabia, people are inbetween, they are BROWN.
Jahdey responds:
Hammad you seem to have some colour and identity issues.
Hammad continues his rant: Any dark-skinned person living in Arabia as of today is a direct result of slavery that has existed in pre-Islamic and also post-Islamic times.
Jahdey replies:
Sorry Jecanite, we have heard all those lies before. The Koran tells us that paleskin Arabs do not originate from Arabia.
Authentic Arab history tells us that Nimrod the Ethiopian was the founder of the Mesopotamian civilization which you shamelessly seek to steal as your own.
The Koran which narrates your history tells us that your Jecanite ancestors were a landless bunch of brutes who fled hunger and came begging for food and wisdom in the land of the Blacks…Arabia.
There you were feed, accommodated and educated by the Black Kings of Arabia. That is how come you have your so-called pale skin Arabia.
When then was the Black man a slave of pre-Islamic Arabia? Pre-Islamic Arabia was Black. Ruled by Black Kings and populated by Black people.
In truth, your Jecanite ancestors were the subjects and slaves of the Ethiopian Kingdom starting from 1000 BC until the liberation of Mecca by the Prophet.
How some landless, powerless and rootless camel herding nomads now seek to rely on some British developed Arab Nationalism fable to steal Balck culture and civilization leaves me amazed.
You know your Jecanite tribes had no culture until the Prophet came in 5th century AD, which was thousands of years after Blacks had created the high Arabic culture.
Check out the real Arabs, the Sabeans, Yemenis, Omanis they are blacker than Ethiopians. They ae still there today. They are the descendants of the Black Kushitic Kings of Arabia.
So go home and ask your granddaddy to tell you the truth, considering what you have just read in Rastalivewire. Go home and read your Koran with a clearer mind. And go follow up the sources cited in the Black Arab article series especially part 4.
When you have digested the information you will be provided with, then you can come back and chat with me.
And please cite sources. Peer reviewed academic sources next time you respond, otherwise you will receive no podium to showcase your ignorance.
Black Arab Yemenis:
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s27.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s25.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s29.htm
http://www.blackjadeworld.com/
Black Arab Omanis:
http://www.omanet.om/english/c…..Fold15.JPG
http://www.foodmuseum.com/images/siffomanicook.jpg
http://www.collectorsprints.co…..s_arab.jpg
Black Arab Iranians (from the Ethnic Arab provinces of Iran)
Black Iranians from the Region of Bandar Abbas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/wo…..iran21.jpg
http://pr.sv.net/aw/2005/March…..Pagea3.jpg
http://www.payvand.com/news/07…..Abbas1.jpg
Black Iranians from Baluchistan and Sistan Province
http://www.persiatours.com/wom…..h-iran.jpg
Black iranian from Chabahar Province
http://www.moezsoft.com/images/chabahar.jpg
Jahdey
Jahdey;
The “red path” is the native american belief system. That’s all.
Peace
Rasman
Jahdey;
The “Red Path” is just the belief in the Native American way.
Peace
Rasman
Let’s not be silly no one is saying everyone is Black. However it is verifiably true we all come from Africa. However, some of us have more distinct lines that exist today that do in fact trace directly to existing groups in Africa. I’m very proud of my African heritage. I am not ashamed of it in the least. In particular to be a son of the homeland of Jah is a great joy to me. I don’t care what one might think of me as I walk down the street. It is not relevant.
Rasman
Jahdey do not put words of your own into the Koran, this is a sign of infidelity and Allah will punish you for bending the truth. Let us first begin with your Koranic claims. You claim the Koran mentioned black Arabs as the original Arabs of the land. Bring me this verse. I challenge you to point out ONE passage in the Quran that says “black Arabs”. Nowhere in the Quran did Allah ever mention the skin colour of the original Arab people. You are misinformed and misguided by a pro-Rastafarian, black-nationalist article. Rastafari, for your information, was a kaffir who believed that taking drugs was alright and thought of himself as a prophet of god. Do not associate Rastafarianism with Islam and do not associate any of those fake articles with our true identities.
Do you know why black Omanis and black Yemenis are darker than Ethipians? Use your brain, its because these people were brought from Zanzibar as slaves during the Omani Empire. What’s next, are you going to make claims that the Omani Empire was ruled by black people? You’re pathetic and whats more pathetic is that you seek to distort true history in order to make the black race look better in different perspectives. You are being biased on all accounts. Do not distort history because of your skin colour, that is very foolish.
Rastafari = Kaffir, infidel, may he burn in hell.
This article = Pro-Rastafarianism, therefore must never be trusted especially if it makes accusations about Islam and Arabs.
Muha-madder
You are not only a fasle Muslim you are disrepectful of other people’s faith contrary to the Koranic verse which advises you that there is no compulsion in religion.
You just demonstrated that you are no better than the Talibes of Afghanistan or the Al-Quedas of Bin Laden. Intolerance. Inability to engage on an intellectual level…threats and curses. Evidence of frustrated logic, evidence of fear, sign of inadequacy. Shame!
Adites and Thamudites are Blacks because we know that the house of Ham was the first to dwell in Arabia.
Arabic fables narrate that Nimrod the son of Ham, the Ethiopian (read African) founded the Mesopotamia civilization, and built its culture.
This was all before the arrival of the Jecanites represented in religious mythology as the arrival of the Abrahamic tribe.
All true indigenous Omanis, Saudis, Yemenites, Iraqis, Iranians, are Black people. DNA evidence confirms that for you by the prevalence of Y-Haplogroup K2, E3A and E3B amongst the so-called Arabs. Those are Negro genes my young Islamo-facist, these are Black people.
Arabs also show a high prevalence for Benin Haplotype HBs gene aka haplotype 19; as well as thalassemia alpha and beta.
Arabia was ruled for more than one thousand years by Ethiopia.
Sabeans the true Arabs of Hadramut and Yemen are Blacks from Ethiopia.
I have shown you pictures, and I have given you DNA evidence as well as citing the mythologies of Arabia for you.
The Black Arab series 1 – 4 will also provide more authorities for you.
According to Al Jahiz a classical Muslim poet and writer: Muttalib Abdullahi the Grandfather of Prophet Mohammed had 10 sons. They were all Black as the night and magnificent.
Al Jahiz also mentions that the pink Arabs like yourself had been conquered and ruled several times in the past by the Zenj.
I do not want to tell you about your slave roots for I do not support enslavement.
But I will remind you that you come from a set of landless, rootless, cultureless, utterly uncivilized bunch of Jecanite savages. Until you came among the Black Arabs. The Koran confirms this for the world.
So, little weak minded Muha-madder, terrorist Islamo-facist that you are, you need to go study or ask your Jecanite grandfather to confess the truth he has hidden from you all this while.
Black Arab Yemenis:
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s27.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s25.htm
http://www.hansrossel.com/foto…..ye_s29.htm
http://www.blackjadeworld.com/
Black Arab Omanis:
http://www.omanet.om/english/c…..Fold15.JPG
http://www.foodmuseum.com/images/siffomanicook.jpg
http://www.collectorsprints.co…..s_arab.jpg
Black Arab Iranians (from the Ethnic Arab provinces of Iran)
Black Iranians from the Region of Bandar Abbas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/wo…..iran21.jpg
http://pr.sv.net/aw/2005/March…..Pagea3.jpg
http://www.payvand.com/news/07…..Abbas1.jpg
Black Iranians from Baluchistan and Sistan Province
http://www.persiatours.com/wom…..h-iran.jpg
Black iranian from Chabahar Province
http://www.moezsoft.com/images/chabahar.jpg
Jahdey
Again you fail to provide me one single source of Koran evidence that god mentioned blacks as original arabs. Provide me the surah if you want me to believe you. The word black arab was never mentioned by allah and never will be. It is very clear that you pan-nationalist ethiopians are a bunch of racist blacks who think the world revolves around black ethnocentricism. for that you have misguided many people into believing that arabs are originally black, you are false and merely a bunch of liars. Your rastafari idol is a fake prophet, a fake incarnation of god, and a fake person overall. He is punished in hell as we speak for spewing lies about his true identity. Do not believe a word of a rastafarian ethiopian because it is mostly untrue. Wa’salam.
All Praises are due only to ALLAH for his word is the greatest of hadiths. Did not Allah say in the perserved book(Koran)revealed to a Umme Prophet(PBUH) that he made Adam, The father of every one of us, if you believe out of smoothed altered Black Mud. Those in doubt refutiate that and if you are compelled to believe then u must agree that all other Nations and tribes originated from Adam..Peace
All know that the black man from the region is the beginning Let us focus on not destroying more black people to praise another due to religion or the failures of it. Do look at Darfur in The spirit of the Creator of all Black and non.What is right about the destruction of the farmers due to Act of God shown in the weather patterns of the region. This writ comes from the 8th wonder of the world. Before any first of so called civilisation came into view. END THE DAMN GENOCIDE OF BLACK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. May God Say So Right Now.
Jayder ur the ignorant one in this tale u guys r fabricrating for ur own cause, then we gonna hear the whole world was black and then it became white and so on so forth, silly theory from the black people owning everything.
Mohammad that is totally true, I could not have said it better.
I am Algerian myself and the people in south Algeria who are black generaly are not Algerians, they are from Africa and that’s it. And me as being an Arab, I would certainly not try to link myself with Africans because there is nothing in common, even the berber people in algeria would never link up with black africans, even if they claim the algerian land and all that but they wouldn’t say we were black, because they are not black as simple as that so now would be good if jayder u could put that aside and stop trying to make the ppl be what they r not.
Olgers
You are a constipated Turkish relic left over on African soil. You just admitted you are not African which is fine with me because we are still fighting for our stolen land.
Neither are you Arab because you have no anchor in the Arab world.
You are a Turkish liar, a land grabber and an oreos. A wannabe pink boy. A wanna be racist…a fake and broken toy.
But ask yourself why EU has refused to admit the Turks your cousins into the fold. Because they do not want your Mongol-Turk arse among them.
I gave this wretch a home in Africa and his hope is to join up with abusive masters. This is called the Stockholm Syndrome.
You need a Doctor, a psychic healer, or an Imam to help your terrorist-racist-facist arse resolve its internal contradictions.
Jahdey
Dear Mohammed,
I am an Ethiopian who know Ras Tafari(Emperor Haile Sellassie) more than Rastafarianism.He has NEVER SAID THAT IT IS OK TO TAKE DRUGS AND NEVER TOOK ONE HIMSELF.There may be some Rastafarians ,as there are some Moslems or Christians, who make take drugs though that does not necessarily mean that the faith allows takjing drugs. The Emperor was a visionary and decent person that in God’s eyes would not deserve hell.
As to skin colors ,the time will come when the sleeping giant awakens and poor Mohammed of Algeria likes his african heritage.BTW what the hell are you Algerians doing in the AU if you are not Africans?
The statement concerning the Khazraj tribe nobleman Ubadah bin Samit by the Byzantine Christian (Coptic) vice-regent of Egypt said to have been red haired. ‘Get this black man away from me and bring someone else,
Thus, David Goldenberg in his text, the Curse of Ham writes in respect to Ubadah: “Note too that the early arab (not African) leader is described as a black man…” The Khazraj lived in Medina and were a branch of the Khuza’a of Mecca. Medina was part of al Harra where Jahiz claimed were black skinned like the volcanic rocks of the region. Thus, he claimed the tribes of al Harra, such as the Sulaym ibn Mansour (Manasseir) ibn Ukarima were taking concubines of teh Byzantine women and becoming a mixed people in that time. Maria a Coptic Christian slave fair-skinned like the Byzantines was sent to Muhammed who married her. The peoples of Arabia are the result of admixture with their concubines from the Europeans as well as many other people. But most early descriptions refer to them as dark brown or black. See el Tabari on the brown and dark brown “companions” of Mohamed from diverse tribes of Arabia.
Asaalaam Alaiykum!
In the Noble Quran and the Bible Allaah(SWA) Informs us that S/HE
(GOD was worshipped as a female thousands of years before we started calling HER HIM. the Amighty IS. He is She is because that One IS whatever it IS. As below so it is above. When we float around in the womb, what gender are all humans and mammals first? Female) fashioned Adam from sounding BLACK clay/mud. its in Al Quraan. No? What color is the most vitamin enriched soil? BLACK . If S/HE created Hawwah from Adam , Hawwah would be Black too. Science informs us that the oldest remains of humans were found where? In AFRICA (IFRIQIYA/ ALKEBULAN). Adam(figurative/literally ) was BLACK his Wife was BLACK, his children would be? BLACK. Cain, Abel, Seth would be BLACK. Their sisters Lullwah and Aklimah would be ?BLACK. And the other children they had, must have been BLACK too yes?. On down to Noah who had three sons HAM(lit. Black/ Burnt), Shem (lit. Name) the father of Semites his father was BLACK even if his mother was Caucasian Shem would be what? BLACK. And his third son Japheth. If Noah were White how could he a White man have had a child who was BLACK, White and Semetic? It’s all mythology but it still has the seeds of truth.To continue Noahs’ son Ham( HAM/ CHAM= Burnt/Black ) had a son named 1.Cush/Khush ( Where is Cush? Africa.) 2. Mizraim
( Misr)/Egypt. And 3. Put. What is the original name of Egypt ? Khm C/HAM(BLACK) or Kmt(BLACK) Cush the son Of Ham had a son named Nimrod the Mighty Hunter. Nimrod ruled Calneh/Babylon . Nimrod was told to worship the One God he wanted the people to worship him. Allaah ( Swa) raised Abram a descendant of Shem from the BLACK man Noah in Ancient Chaldea (Iraq) and he was commanded to tell Nimrod his BLACK cousin to worship Allaah (SWA).Abra HAM (Ibraheem)the BLACK man had two sons Ishaak( Isaac) and Ishamael. Whose mothers were Sarah , Abra HAMs sister even if she were White her son would be what? BLACK. Hagar was from from where Km/Kmt/Kemet/Kham/HAM(BLACK). Her son was taken by Abra HAM to Mekka/Makkah/Becca. Hagar got a wife for Ishmael from where Kmt/Misr they had 12 sons one of whom was named Kedaar who eventually gave birth to Abdul Mutaliib who was the father of whom? Allaahs’ (SWA) Last and Final Prophet Ahmad Mustafa Al Amin Muhammad Ibn Abdullah(t). Yes he was a BLACK man too. He says in his hadith He is a Arab of the Arabs. All people are truly our brothers and sisters but only White people can’t see BLACK people all over the planet. Africa, Asia , Europe. North , Central and South America, Australia. We people of color are the majority you Caucasian are the minority period. You created nuclear weapons, plastics, fossil fuels polluting up our beloved home. The world is totaly all ours but you insist on leaving Us the Original people of the planet out of History, Religion, Science, Mathematics, and Arts. We created civilization and get no credit for nothing other than being Zanjis,Niggers, Spooks, Monkey, and apes. I in no way say this to be hatefull or bitter its a harsh truth, When will you wake up and see if you destroy the roots of the tree it will die.
Peace and Blessings to you all-I took the liberty to study these streams attenatively and with deep concentration. “Truth is a Pathless Land” My humble observatons of the plight of this world is quite simple. Yes!, we are at the end of this Cycle of Time as there were many Cycles anterior to this one. In the coming calamity that will raise up the ocean floor and new land emerge and old land submerge your religions and creeds and ideologies will not Save You!!. The ALMighty who is beyond your wisdOM will destroy all who is Bitter in Heart and Soiled in Mind. Muslim will as they are now will kill Muslim-Christian will kill Cristian as they are now. Blacks as they are now will kill blacks and whites will as they are now will kill whites. As for the So-called Red/Yellow and Brown, it will be as it was before-no one race will survive the other. No one religion will survive the other and all the Prophets of Old will not aid you. You will stand on your Morality-Virtue-Ethics-Nobility-Honor-Loyality and Above ALL—Righteousness….May Peace and Blessing be with you all
arabs are not a african race but because of trading people have mixed they are not black look at the people of the gulf example sultan zayed bin sultan arabs are neither a black race or a white race they are semetic being dark does not mean you are from african people. Look at the feature of african and llok at the features of arabs they are completly different remember their are people who have arab blood and there people who are arabicized mening they adopt the culture as their own thus been termed arab because they speak and have the culture of aabs Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam was not african nor did he look it. Some African people they are the only ones connected with arabs but you know something the arabs have been trading with southern indian for centuries so there is alot of mix between the south indians and the ancient arabs some have indian features stop confusing and laying claims to something that does not belong to you arabs are semetic people which are different than africans they originally have black hair oval face very striking featuers arked eyebrows a crecent or v hair line the hair ranged from curly to wavy and straight and the skin tone varied from fair to dark
Rasheed
Arabized turkish and kurdish people (the Jecanites) like in your examples are not Arabs. They are Arabized peoples. The original semites are from Ethiopia, Black and Magnificent. Go do your home work again.
Jahdey
Where are you getting your information from? The majority of Arabs are Muslim and only like Muslims. Arabs don’t like or care about Black Africans. Arabs just invaded Africa not that long ago and started taking over. They claim the rights of the pyramids, when they know full well that Arabs didn’t construct them. They are just as racist and hateful as Whites. Whoever thinks otherwise and brainwashed. Look at Darfur. They hate Blacks and especially if they’re not Muslims. I say kick all Arabs out of Africa. Africa for the native Black Africa and the Fertile Cresent and middle East for Arabs, It’s that simple. Let them car bomb each other up, and go see Allah and their virgins. They try to kill anyone who is in opposition of them and think it’s ok because people don’t believe the same as they do. They are a close minded, hateful, violent, group of people that needs to be erased off the globe. The world would do better without them. All they do is force others to convert to their faith. They speak out against everyone else but god forbid anyone speak out against them, then they need to die and thats not right. Look at how strict Dubai and Saudi Arabia are for example, they dictate peoples lives to them. How can you tell me I can’t introduce myself to a woman that I find attractive and want to converse with for the possibility of a marriage? How can you tell me I can’t walk my dog down the street, because it’s a “chick magnet”? Anyone ever heard of FGM? The list goes on? They’re a terrible people who are excellent at spreading fear and terrorism. Muhammad fornicated with a nine year old. Tell them this and see what happens. Tell a Christian that there;s no evidence that Jesus actually existed, he was probably taken from an older story (heru/ horus), and he probably didn’t exist. Tell a Buddhist that it’s wrong to worship a statue, tell a hindu that it’s dumb to worship animals. Who will you likely get the most violent reaction from? You got it a Muslim, they will be enraged and possibly make an attempt to take your life. They’re too animalistic and shouldn’t be allowed to walk the Earth with normal people. I’m not a fan of almost every religion, but especially Islam, they are over aggressive violent wackos. Please don’t ever say Aran\bs are Blacks or that they are natives of Africa. It’s simply not true. Yes Africa has it’s issues as well but it’s usually due to a tribal or territory dispute. Unlike the Muslim Arabs who hate everyone that is not one of them.
you have some facts about black people. n truelly blacks mother dis earth…hoever white thorists insist on the cast in the bible.which cast noah directed to the young son of ham who was canaan excluding cush,mizraim n japheth….dats why you see the canaanites always at war with israel…hoever sooo good that the saviour of this world jesus christ dint segregate we like they do…he was even soo much protected in africa thus wen herod wanted to kill him i believe those were the fast hamitic africans be4 intermariiages with the intruders who i believe were arabs…to get more evidence of motherling this earth look at the all world and see blackness every were which is not as a result of slavery.eg aborigines, papua new guinea, the mexicans soo much blackness in tnhem checkout their music nd voices.they sing like real blacks,arabs, indians and soo on
Can we get beyond the ‘Crayola Crayon’ mentality?
All this fixation on skin hue and how light or how black someone looks.
The Brotha’s work is impeccable!
I realize the AfroCentrists have been taught to hate all things Arab, Muslim and Islam…but relax people..breathe…its a new day….
Allah in Nubia Video Download here:
http://www.zshare.net/video/1195853f71a1d3/
*thats Runoko Rashidi on the video, who when asked denied that he saw ‘Allah’ and stated the Brotha was ‘biased…because he is Muslim’. Then is shown ‘praising’ the Brotha on the video!
Runoko’s denial recorded: Go To the 48 min – 52 min mark
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Illuminations/2008/09/05/Yes-we-were-Kings-Queens-but-who-are-we-now-as-Black-people
I read somewhere in all the election stuff I receive that Barack Obama’s father from Kenya I believe it was, was a black ARab. anyone out there have solid confirmation or denial information?
dont be silly blackman everyone did not originate from the MOTHERLAND,check out the national geographic propaganda machinel sometime this week i think sorry do not have exact date it’s called the Neandrathal code it claims certain things but i am a blackman who has no links whatsoever to these things this is where the white man was originated not from my bloodline i dont want to hear about DNA that connects us all to lucy am i suppose to believe that they were able to get DNA from bones probably 50 thousand yrs old i think not,stop trying to paint the whole world black i use to do that and i realize how silly,foolish ,ignorant ,brainwashed and being led apart from the real road to truth stop trying to make yourself feel good by trying to claim first of everything ,what we have left stamped in history speaks for itself even what we are accomplishing today with the scaredman feet on our backs,and i am not talking about obama.
people islam,muslim or whatever it’s called is not an african tradition,culture or religion it does not belong to the blackman it belongs to the sandman give onto the blackman what is his and give onto every other man what is his if we as a black nation try to steal other people’s culture and claim it as ours then we are no different from the other man. brothers think outside the box everything they say doesn’t make sense but if you have the vision you could see the thruth vividly in the lies.
Jahdey
but as far as i can remember ….arab civilisationreally began with fair-skinned arabs ..
al jahiz was a racist guy .. he even wrote a book called ” blacks superiority on whites “
“You know your Jecanite tribes had no culture until the Prophet came in 5th century AD, which was thousands of years after Blacks had created the high Arabic culture. ”
what prophet? mohammed ? mohammed didn’t live in the 5 th century
al jahiz said muhamed was black because he want him to be black… muhamed had black slaves…..muhammed was light skinned in all descriptions…
“But most early descriptions refer to them as dark brown or black. See el Tabari on the brown and dark brown “companions” of Mohamed from diverse tribes of Arabia.”
brown dark but not negros…..
I hope we stop confusing European misinterpretations of the Bible with true Arabian genealogy. Joktan of the Bible was Qahtan, who are the tribes of southern Arabia called Mahra, Qarra, Samudayt (Afar), Afari, Yafi, and Murad or Amurat. These are the descendant s of Kuda’a Himyar and Kahlan who according to Arab genealogy were two brothers descendanted from Qahtan. Qahtan like other Himyarites and Sabaeans were the Ad and Thamud of history. From them came the children of Sam, Ham and Japhet. These tribes claim to have come from Africa in remote times according to Bertram Thomas and other European explorers.
I am also surprised that people that are Muslims on this site do not know what the term “green” means with respect to color in Arab tradition.
Dana,
I would like to know more about your sources. A lot of information from you and others on this topic.
A question I have is, for those who maintain that the original people of the Arabian Peninsula are White, what is different about the climate, geology, of Arabia than with Sudan, Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, that would make these people Black, but the original people of Arabia, right across the red sea, White?
Another thing I would like to add. When we use the term “African” what do we mean by that? Are we using a term that was employed by “Black” themselves to define their homeland? Or, are we using a term that has been defined, geopolitically, and applied by Europeans?
Stated another way, why would the Arabian Peninsula and the continent now called Africa be perceived as two seperate and distinct places or two distinct lands? Does the land of Black people really terminate at the Red Sea? Or, do we have any evidences or testimony from K-M-T, Cush, Nuba, that they perceived the Arabian Peninsula as a foreign land and that the people living there were White or foreign. Do we have any evidences that the Red Sea was where they cut off ties and relationships with other people, perceiving themselves to be “Africans” and others beyond the current geopolitical borders of “Africa” to be something else or different than themselves.
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It’s great reading a history that has been lost to the world for millenia, I don’t think there is a problem with repeating the fact these forefathers were black, the people who have a problem with hearing this perspective are people who are prejudiced and who need to change, the change is becoming more and more unavoidable as we the people learn more and more, so watch out and take care while all hell breaks loose as the Devils make a last attempt to implant the lie forever in our miinds.
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Ok, Let me settle this for ya’ll!!! ARABS are decended from Africa. Real Arabs are Black people, diet and climate changed their features a little from so called “Bantu”. All of ya’ll who call yourselves white arabs are simply decendants of persians and turks(Whites) . The gentiles (Whites) have set up governments and white rulers all over the world, so many don’t want to be identified as Black. What does it Matter?! Pharonic Egypt/ Upper Egypt(Nubia) was a Black Civilization. The Greeks/Romans studied in Egypt and used what they learned to eventually rule it. No Arab can deny Songhai, or Timbuktu. Africans converted to Islam and muslims of all races conqured Europe. Power has shifted again & again over time. We all have something to learn from one another. Defining and Arab is probably like defining an “Ameer”ican:)
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first of of all iran is an a the persian region and people think it is in the miidle east,just becase the letters have ira and borders iraq but iran falls mostly all the way to asia and if iran never touched iraq people would believe the middle east belongs to africa.first of all iraq is 85% desert and 10% mountain so,iraq is very hot and mostly desert.north africa and middle east is a region.if you look on the map they border very close and its all desert in north africa and middle east.north africa and middle east have the same clothes,religion,language,houses,buildings,animals,weather,music,and people.a matter a fact how the hell did think about saying that arabs enslaved africa when we were sharing our religion with them and that was you white people like europeans and americans, and sold them to south america and countries like puerto rico that why they have a black skin color.middle east is a part of africa.they have lots of history.these are the norht african and middle eastern countries iraq,syria,saudi arabia,libya,egypt,sudan,bahrain,qatar,palastine,jordan,tunsia,morocco,algeria,yemen,oman,and lebenon.