The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves

The Slaves That Time Forgot

By John Martin

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

487 thoughts on “The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves”

  1. I get so tired of hearing about these damn Edomites (ie the Irish) and how they have suffered. The Irish have, throughout history, been very cruel to African Americans and African slaves so let them, the many of them, wear the title of red neck like it is their badge of honor. They have suffered nothing but a lack of potatoes and cabbages. They should be and “should have been” more like the CAJUNS and they need to stop trying to corrupt the CAJUNS with their “bone head mentality”. The Cajuns need to run from these boneheads–these beasts!!!!! Marriages between the Cajuns and the Irish should be outlawed because all that the Irish are known to do is destroy (and get drunk) I can’t stand damn rednecks!!!!!! The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! I would claim nothing from their bloodline!!!!!

    1. I am an Irish descendant, and absolutely disagree with your description of our characteristics. I have been a survivor of domestic abuse, as well as an accomplished professional in three different technical fields. I am still working into my seventh decade. You should do a bit more research before you cast such accusations on any people. Of course opinions, you know.

      1. I am still working into my seventh decade, but history doesn’t disparage one family but brings us together as one nation, under the growing pains of ancestors that had their own fears an beliefs. I am American with Irish ancestry but not insulted by their tragedy an pain or their triumphs.

    2. That is of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read. The Irish were also a large force in the civil war for the north, Kennedy worked with civil rights leaders, as week as countless other examples.

        1. Lol Louisiana breed swamp sucking gator ass licking hillbillies know nothing about our ancestors and our Irish history i laugh they call us Rednecks and here they are back wood. Moonshine boot licking hillbilies that use a grocery basket for a bbq grill lol..

        2. Right on!!! I agree wholeheartedly! I am an American. My grandmother was Irish and brought to the Americas as an “indentured slave” when she was only nine yrs old. Her mother was taken before her and was so distraught her good master sent for her daughter. After the passing of her mother, my grandmother ran away. She changed her name. Told her my grandfather of the ordeal before they were married. He married her, which changed her sir name again. He kept her hidden. All this took place AFTER the Civil War in the late 1890’s.

    3. Louisiana Culture you have to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever come across, You know nothing about the Irish history, and if you did you would not be making such ignorant uneducated comments !!!!!!!!

    4. Cajuns are an ethnic group mainly living in the U.S. state of Louisiana, consisting of the descendants of Acadian exiles (French-speakers from Acadia in what are now The Maritimes of Eastern Canada). Today, the Cajuns make up a significant portion of south Louisiana’s population and have exerted an enormous impact on the state’s culture.

      1. 1. Irish aren’t edomites. They’re basque stock.

        2. They were absolutely slaves. Go read White Cargo for all the documentation. The fact you don’t know this is part of the upper class fabrication of American history.

      2. ok,so some were white and some black,both slaves.Nothing is to be gained by name calling and viciousness.Cant’ we all just get along?

    5. You really do not have your facts correct. The Irish suffered much more than losing potatoes and cabbage. Children were separated from their parents, husbands from their wives, siblings from siblings, etc.. Do you honestly think that ONLY black skinned people have been slaves? There are slaves in America and around the World today. They are children and young adults both male and female. They are sex slaves. Get off this Africans were the only slaves. There have been slaves throughout history, but only the African slaves of the American South want an apology from people who were not even alive during slavery. Seems like you think African slave descendants are the only people who count. Many you get attitude from others because you act like everyone owes you instead of working and building your own future.

    6. First of all the Irish are not Edomites, in what was known as Galatia part of Turkey today were Gaelic tribes of which the Irish came. One of the biggest tribes that worked its way to Ireland were the Malesian as well as two other Gaelic tribes which became the Irish of Ireland. Second the persecution of the Irish by the English were severe. By this i mean the Irish could be hung or killed indiscriminately and property confiscated reletives forced into servitude against there will, which is by the way one of the definitions of slavery, even in our Constitution. These people the Irish eventually regained their personhood just as the African Slaves did after hundreds of thousands of American soldiers died in the civil war. However the didn’t gain this until after World War II just a tad longer. Do yourself a favor never rely on a single source for only ignorant amateur dose this.

    7. Wow, you have issues. That;s like an Irish referring to Blacks, as a group, being crackheads or something.

      I am Irish and my best friend is Black. You are part of the problem. The line of thinking you spouted is what leads to bondage of the body and the mind.

    8. Black slave owners in the United States

      Little has been published regarding those Blacks who owned Black slaves in the USA, however, more research is bringing this little-known subject to light.

      Philip Burnham, in the article “Selling Poor Steven” published in the February/March 1993 issue of American Heritage, found that in the US Census of 1830 there were 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves.[32] Burnham wrote about the slave John Casor, who was denied his freedom by Black slave owner Anthony Johnson.

      “In the 1640s John Casor was brought from Africa to America, where he toiled as a servant for a Virginia landowner. In 1654 Casor filed a complaint in Northampton County Court, claiming that his master, Anthony Johnson, had unjustly extended the terms of his indenture with the intention of keeping Casor his slave for life. Johnson, insisting he knew nothing of any indenture, fought hard to retain what he regarded as his personal property. After much wrangling, on March 8, 1655, the court ruled that “the said John Casor Negro shall forthwith be returned unto the service of his master Anthony Johnson,” consigning him to a bitter lifetime of bondage. Given the vulnerable legal status of servants – black and white – in colonial America, the decision was not surprising But the documents reveal one additional fact of interest: Anthony Johnson, like his chattel Casor, was black….”[33]

      Carter G. Woodson, whose grandparents and father had been slaves, was one of the first to write about the Black slave owners. In Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830 (published in 1924) Woodson gives the names and number of slaves owned by free blacks counted in the U. S. Census of 1830, listing them by name and the number of slaves owned.[34]

      Michael P. Tremoglie, in “The Black Roots of Slavery” also noted the issue of Black slave owners.

      “There were many free blacks in the American colonies. They were enfranchised and as early as 1641, Mathias De Sousa, were elected to legislatures. These free blacks owned slaves – some for philanthropic reasons, as Carter G. Woodson suggests. However as John Hope Franklin wrote, “…free Negroes had a real economic interest in the institution of slavery and held slaves in order to improve their economic status.”

      The census of 1830 lists 965 free black slave owners in Louisiana, owning 4,206 slaves. The state of South Carolina, lists 464 free blacks owning 2,715 slaves. How ironic it is that so many blacks owned so many slaves in South Carolina. Yet, no one seemed to mention this during the flag controversy.

      Some blacks served in the Confederate army, which is another omission in our popular culture. The movie Glory did not happen to mention that blacks served in the Confederate army. It did give the impression that the black soldiers in the 54th Massachusetts were former slaves – which was not true.”[35]

      Harry Koger, in Black Slave Owners. Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, reported on the success of Black women in Charleston.

      “By 1860, so many Black women in Charleston had inherited or been given slaves and other property by white men, and used their property to start successful businesses, that they owned 70% of the Black owned slaves in the city.”[36]

      From Kroger’s work, it is noted that free Black slave owners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slave owners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane.[37]

      John Hope Franklin and Loren Schweninger, in Runaway Slaves: Rebels on the Plantation, revealed that conditions under Black masters could be such that slaves would run away.

      “The largest black slaveholder in the South, John Carruthers Stanly of North Carolina, faced a number of problems in the 1820s in dealing with a slave labor force on his three turpentine plantations in Craven County. With a total of 163 slaves, Stanly was a harsh, profit-minded taskmaster, and his field hands would run away. Stanley dealt with this through his two white overseers and with a spy network that included a few trusted slaves. Brister, his slave barber in New Bern, was responsible for relaying to his owner rumors of planned escapes …Nor did Stanly have any pangs of conscience about selling children away from their parents or holding free blacks in bondage.”

      “Free black slave owners who lived in urban areas – Charleston, Savannah, Mobile, Natchez, and New Orleans – also faced difficulties with their slave property. Free mulatto barber William Johnson of Natchez was not certain what had happened to his recently purchased slave, Walker, when he disappeared in 1835. He had either been stolen or had run away to Kentucky to rejoin his wife. When on 4 July 1833, authorities in Ascension Parish, Louisiana, jailed the twelve- or fourteen-year-old black boy named Isaac taken off the steamer Watchman, he admitted he was owned by a ‘free woman of color in New Orleans named Jane’.”[38]

      In “Dixie’s Censored Subject: Black Slaveowners”, published in The Barnes Review, Robert M. Grooms furnished several examples of Black slave owners in the USA.

      “In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more.

      … The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

      In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).

      Interestingly, considering today’s accounts of life under slavery, authors Johnson and Roak report instances where free Negroes petitioned to be allowed to become slaves; this because they were unable to support themselves.

      … [regarding Black ex-slave William Ellison] As with the slaves of his white counterparts, occasionally Ellison’s slaves ran away. The historians of Sumter District reported that from time to time Ellison advertised for the return of his runaways. On at least one occasion Ellison hired the services of a slave catcher. According to an account by Robert N. Andrews, a white man who had purchased a small hotel in Stateburg in the 1820s, Ellison hired him to run down “a valuable slave. Andrews caught the slave in Belleville, Virginia. He stated: “I was paid on returning home $77.50 and $74 for expenses.

      …Following in their father’s footsteps, the Ellison family actively supported the Confederacy throughout the war. They converted nearly their entire plantation to the production of corn, fodder, bacon, corn shucks and cotton for the Confederate armies. They paid $5,000 in taxes during the war. They also invested more than $9,000 in Confederate bonds, treasury notes and certificates in addition to the Confederate currency they held.”[39]

      As an interesting sideline to Black slave owners in the South of the USA, is that there were also an estimated 65,000 Southern blacks in the Confederate military, including over 13,000 who fought against the North in battle.[40]

      A well-known and favourably reviewed novel, The Known World, by Black author Edward P. Jones, has tackled the issue of Black-owned slaves, much to the surprise of those readers who had never heard of Black slave owners.[41] However, the interesting story of Blacks who owned slaves is largely ignored by the media and educators.

      1. push that up your bigot ass Moron! The only reason any of us are slaves is because the rich bastards and the pigs they breed with can depend of fuckwitts like you to cause murders with your own..There’s an old saying, [ if you can read]

        The rich shake each other by the hand and the poor shake each other by the throat.

      2. Most of these people were mulattoes who didn’t consider themselves African so saw no problem with owning them. And what percentage of total slave owners did they represent? ( Here is were you site the New Orleans census and project it onto the whole country.) You are trying to turn the exception into the rule. If so many Africans were trying to petition themselves back into slavery because it was so good to them, then why was there an underground railroad. The reason they would have been petitioning to return to bondage was because the social and economic circumstances were so horrible for an African free or enslaved. That is a slight on American Society as a whole not to be construed as any merit for slavery. I am tired of these charlatans who get a hold of few facts trying to paint this revisionist picture of slavery where Africans were actually rescued from Africa and everyday was a party, while it was only the Irish who suffered. You make your self look like ignoramus who can’t comprehend context rather than some armchair scholar.

    9. So African American being slaves is terrible, but whites( Irish, Polish, and Germans) that have been inslaved is insignificant. Blacks were slaves for how long in america. How long have whites been slaves in europe

    10. Louisiana Culture -You are an ignorant fool . Rednecks generally are not Irish as they are/were Catholic. The Catholics were not welcomed in the south as Papists. That is one excuse why they were expelled from Ireland. Once Cromwell got the Jews back into England, the next phase of attack on the Irish and the next phase of enslavement began. Just like BLM keeps blaming whitey for problems, keep drinking the Kool Aid and being a fool. Who sent your ancestors here? The same ones who sent the Irish. Do some research and stop parroting disinformation.

    11. you should feel the same then about black slave owners, I wonder if you have as much hate for blacks who owned black slaves?

    12. The English word slave comes from Old French sclave, from the Medieval Latin sclavus, from the Byzantine Greek ???????, which, in turn, comes from the ethnonym Slav, because in some early Medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved. Slavs are members of the most numerous ethnic and linguistic body of peoples in Europe, residing chiefly in eastern and southeastern Europe

  2. Wow! I am 90% Irish descent and have 8% german and 2% indian. I always knew the Irish were enslaved. But I find it funny and stupid of someone that is not irish saying its false and have no real education. And I am not surprised of the people who think only blacks were enslaved and yet get pissed offand angry if anyone else claims there were white slaves! This this shows they thrive onand leech off of people who are compassionate and kind hearted. This means they need some therapy especially when someone reacts strongly.

      1. You realize you talk of research. Please look into who published that website. Let me know what their goal is and what they’re prolog states in the very first sentence. You want to deny the fact that Irish were slaves that’s fine, but at least have a better reference, because we can all go to a liberal website that has a .org and find false and inaccurate information.

      2. Again mikey, a link to the same article written by a librarian… find an article from another source.. you are too ignorant for words. Alot of people were slaves all through history. African americans are the only ones that use it as an excuse for failure.. your great great grand parents were slaves.. thats why you cant get a job, cant support your children.. cantvstop smoking crack, robbing people, raping woman, gangbangin, asking for handouts, flunking out of school. You won the civil rights battle.. and now what you piss it away, free education, more job opertunity than a more qualified white man.. you are a discrace to humanity.. the funniest thing is how black man act so hard and gangster..but you are whiney bitches. Sensitive like woman on the rag. Self pittying pussys.. maybe because you all lack fathers.. my father taught me to be a man, and men dont pitty themselves and ask for handouts. I live in a black neiborhood. And no one says shit to me. You use the thug Image is a defense mechanism. You are really soft lil pussys with daddy issues.. boohoo.. ive kicked the shit out of several bloods and crips around here.. even when out numbered. For some reason you think white people are afraid of you. Lol.. rich old white ladys might be afraid you will steal there purse. But me? Ill slap the shit out of a moon cricket. I walk through the hood like I own that shit.. and you black pussys look at the ground when I walk by. To all you whites reading this. Next time a black person act tough, or gets loud like they always do.. remember they are afraid of you. A chicken shit people.. let them know you aint scared watch them cowar.. embarrassing. Ive done it so many times.. try it.. I even had a black dude pull a gun on me, I took that shit and pistol whipped him.. he started crying begging me to let him go.. even called me sir, like a slave.. lmao.. and this was a20 something blood. Call their bluff, trust me.

        1. I recently did that at work. We have a pretty even mix of Black, White and Hispanic workers. We all joke around about race, no problem. But one day, I overheard my co-worker (black lady) say she thought White people (particularly redheads) were disgusting. I went off on her (I’m a 52 yr old redheaded woman) in front of another (hispanic) co-worker. I told her that it was disgusting that she felt that way, and relayed all of the racism and assaults I experienced as a white redhead with freckles growing up in a largely Hispanic city. It actually triggered a PTSD reaction out of me–I started fanning myself because I was starting to cry. My co-worker accused me of lying about my hair color and I told her that redheads go blonde as they get older before it goes completely white, she said, “good”. That pissed me off even more and I told her I was sick of people thinking whites don’t have feelings and are responsible for all the ills of the world. She kept pushing it (I guess she thought she was being funny) by saying, “I know you’re racist and your ancestors owned slaves, probably my ancestors!” I said my ancestors came over after the Civil War, and hers probably did too. We started yelling over each other and it ended with her walking away while I shouted, “show me the whip marks on your back, then!” She’s been sweet to me ever since, and no one that overheard that has given me any shit about it. In fact, I get the feeling that they respect me more for standing up to her.

        2. Wow mooncricket maker.. i mean irish pride.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. i mean .. embarasing irish people everywere.. .. .. .. .. or was it your intent to out all irish people as racists.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. idont think u represent irish people at all .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. readers if your irish let us know if he does.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. irish prides coments are a classic example of racism.. .. mis placed pride.. racist pride.. … this stems from a deep confusion of self .. coupled with principalities, organizations who have a lot to gain, from the ill informed.. (btw.. this is called capitalism.. capitalisation a politicaly correct word for expliotism.. exploitation) .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. …. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. you call people gangsters.. then call them pussy.. .. confusing.. .. the thick skin you call gangster is a product of slavery subjugation.. a reation.. a defence.. .. and then u say pussy.. whitch is it.. you want people to be gangster or pussy.. .. .. why do you think people should be what you want them to be to please you .. is that slave master mentality rearing its ugly head again.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ok so there gangster but they look down and away when you walk by.. .. .. sounds like peaceful people to me.. .. .. then you brag about terorizing and beating people up .. then go on to encourage people you call White ti do the same.. this sound like racist terorism to me.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. since i know about bigotry.. no big suprise there.. .. but how many of you realy know about racism.. .. .. here let me help.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. i have a question for irish pride .. .. .. when you ask so called White people to join in on terorizing people because there diferent than You.. .. i wana know .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. who do you concider WHITE .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. can any one join the club.. is it a club or is it a skin color thing.. or both.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. can jews join.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. or does it depend on you irish pride and your personal moods and motives at the time .. or is it just a irish thing.. only irish people alowed.. or is it a behavior thing .. only terorist alowed.. that is bigots who act on there bogotry to subjugate others to stroke there own egos because of there own short comings and hatetred of self.. projecting there hate on others.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. in the words of the great James Baldwin.. “your invention reviels you .. im not the nigger baby .. you are” .. .. .. .. .. hes got a piont .. whos the nigger makers.. .. whos the enemy makers .. .. in other words.. im not your enemy your not my enemy .. your an enemy maker.. .. .. people are being taken advantage of because they talk wrong .. inadvertingly buying into a sytem that by its very use is self subjugating .. using its terminology leaves you locked in its terms that serve a system of subjugation as you are locked in its presepts.. its prespective is now your prespective and you dident even know.. so that hate is met with hate instead of reality.. we dont have enemies.. only enemy makers.. .. .. .. these people are not YOUR enemy.. they want you to think that way so as to continue the sysyem of hate.. .. these people are not YOUR enemy.. these people are ENEMY MAKERS .. hate manufactuerers.. dont you manufacture hate too.. but instead call it for what it is .. hes not your enemy thats a slogan.. yoy should speak for yourself and stop using slogans you heard.. ask yourself is this guy YOUR enemy.. meaning YOU had something to do with it.. or is it more likely.. HE.. is the enemy maker.. the author of the hate.. the needer of hate.. the creator of hate .. the hate originated from him not you.. as he is in the business of enemy making or making enemies.. not you .. so look at this fool and realize this could be you.. .. .. so do you have enemies.. or do you have enemy makers.. .. is he an enemy or an enemy maker.. do something better that buying into there TERMS .. stop talking wrong and realize what your saying.. .. i am that, i am -(atma) .. this misguided fool called irish pride could be you if your not careful .. blessed are the peace keepers of the earth, for they shall be known as children of God .. and be not decieved, for God is not mocked, for what you sow, so shall you reap.. .. turn from sin and do not turn back, or you will turn, to a pillar of salt.. keep not the council of the ungodly.. it was humility that made man as angels, it was pride that changed angels into devils.. do good and good will follow you.. .. evil can speak of good in words but canot to of good in action.. it is said that satan makes his kind to look like angels to decieve you with apearance and words.. but Jesus reminds us that actions reviel us.. reviels who we are.. where we are from.. either from the house of God or the synoguage of satan.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. so lets get to yhe cause of some of our curent day deceptions.. .. Job 9:24 .. ” the earth is given onto the Wicked.. he coverd the faces of the judges there of.. if not.. where or who is he” .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. i ask you irish pride .. .. .. .. who or what is white.. and can Jews join.. or only irish people.. what is the criteria for this club .. is it the want and ability to subjugate.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. if logic justice and common sence are sacraficed at the alter of anything like.. race legions or religions.. this leads to psycosis .. and psycotic behaviour can take place.. .. .. .. .. up your self from mental slavery and pysical slavery canot take hold .. there for .. no weapon that rise against man, shall prosper.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. simply put .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. . .. .. .. .. .. .. “there was good and evil, we choose good” Buju Banton.. .. .. .. .. in other words.. .. peacefulness is a choice.. .. .. .. .. your choice.. .. .. love hate peace race.. its all your logical choice.. and your choice says everything about you.. for example.. irish prides words or his invention.. says alot about him and very little about anyone else.. exept that gangsters are saints that let him walk down the street un impeaded.. and further more that there afraid of him .. i wonder why .. and irish pride seems to be proud of people being afraid of him .. and wants you to join him and feel proud of terrorizing people aswell.. this is the ideology of cancer.. .. atleast we have identified the terorists.. and ulimately.. the problem of race.. the problem of idolitry.. or forced idolitry.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Subjugation.

  3. Always there are the ignorant and bigots that choose to re-write history, change facts and live in a corner filled with hate.
    My ancestors came to the New World as slaves from Ireland. My 4X great grandfather served as a Colonel in the Revolutionary War, along with his 5 sons. My father fought in WW I, my Mother was a pilot (WASP) in WW II; I am a Viet era vet; my son served in Gulf War I.
    Your privilege and freedom of speech, to spout lies and hatred, has been given you by Irish sacrifice.

    1. thank u for the sacrifices given. I am 50% Irish 50% Transylvanian. My father served as my son, son in law and nephew.

    2. Thank you and your family for your service and dedication to our sometimes flawed, but always great, nation.
      I truly believe that the greatness of America is owed to great Americans. On this 4th of July, I salute you and your family.

      1. mikey you’re a retard, why did you even come to this page, of course the irish were bought and sold in America, dumbass, just because you don’t like the facts, doesn’t mean they aren’t true

  4. The Irish and several other groups WERE indentured servants. Never meant to be slaves for LIFE. Most were very poor and used their work to pay for their passage. Their children and grandchildren FOREVER were not intended to be slaves in this country. We’ve all heard about President Obama’s Irish roots, and we know his father came from Kenya. But a research team from Ancestry, the world’s largest online family history resource, has also concluded that the nation’s 44th president is also the 11thgreat-grandson of John Punch, the first documented African enslaved FOR LIFE in American history.

    “And what’s more, the connection comes through President Obama’s Caucasian mother’s family.

    This discovery follow years of research by Ancestry genealogists who, using early Virginia records and DNA analysis, linked Obama to John Punch. Punch was an indentured servant in Colonial Virginia who fled to escape servitude in 1640. After he was caught, his punishment [was changed to} enslavement for life. {The two Irish slaves who ran with him received only an addition of 7 years to their indenture d servitude]. Punch’s is the first documented case of slavery for life in the colonies, occurring decades before slavery laws were enacted in Virginia.”

    Yes Slavery of any kind is horrible. But to say Irish slaves had it worse is patently false. Native Americans were slaves in American as well but never receive the level of mistreatment Africans did from every level of American society possible. In fact the degradation was so deep it still affects all Americans and race relations to this day.

    1. Neverbeensoconfused. has been so wrong for so long on peoples history it is a joke among genealogists. Everyone’s related to a slave that is black according to them, when in reality the chances are slim, as more then half the blacks in the U.S. are immigrants after the last slave was free. It is morons that whine about what they never experienced. Irish were slaves and suffered horribly. Catholics even more so. Only half survived 200,000 were killed horribly and beheaded in Barbadoes after an uprising. Their heads adorned all buildings and fences to remind others what would happen if they tried anything again. And some were killed because they would not renounce their faith.

      America was settled by Protestants and that was the major religion. As Irish slaves became so great in numbers we became a Catholic nation. They dwarfed the African slaves on Barbadoes and in the colonies were bought in higher numbers because they were cheaper.

      I have never heard and Irish person cry about their ancestors or act like a whiny two tear old saying they are owed something because they are too lazy to work for it. They were treated like garbage right up until the fifties and in some areas the sixties.
      Blacks in the Boston area were treated better then the Irish. It was not until the 70″s when they stopped the term Paddy wagon. So go whine somewhere else about shit you know nothing about. I lived in a house because when my grandfather moved in the neighbors moved out as we were Irish. You pukes make me sick ith your lying liberal know-nothing BS.

      1. I love how ignorant bigots try to project this perceived apathy, and reparations obsession on all 44 million African Americans. Its like they met all of us through the ghetto obsessed local news, and ignorant television shows and movies like “The Wire”, so they are qualified to speak on all of our behalves. But, no, blanket indictment of African Americans isn’t myopic its actually perspicacious. ( Here is where you bring up the “race hustlers” Al and Jesse who are “leaders” hand picked by the establishment.) Do your research on that one.

      2. Well said I’m sick of trying to stand up for myself against this ignorance I have had people try and argue with me saying Irish slavery is something the white man made up to make himself feel better about the way the black people were treated in general Irish people still suffer because of the way the British hate us and have tried to murder us all for 800 years or more us Irish unfortunate enough to be born in England just feel like displaced people with no Home to go back too also and there is plenty of pain in our ancestral DNA ….., alas we must stay enslaved here in England and pay portions of our money in TAX to the same woman who killed and rapped our ancestors and still invades and murders util this day 2017!

    2. Oh really? Wow. Where did you get your phenomenal history lesson? From the tribes of Natives that have been completely eradicated thanks to the white people?

  5. And even Indians and Africans had slaves… Slaves of their own race!
    I never had been taught or heard about the huge numbers of Irish slaves!

    1. “I never had been taught or heard about the huge numbers of Irish slaves!”

      Because you are not supposed to know. White slaves do not fit into the liberal agenda.

    2. That would make the English look bad. They have been trying to kill off the Irish for 1000 years. Can’t do it, because the are bloody slim.
      I speak of the Royalty and English Elite, who happen to be German stock. Not the everyday man and woman, most of the middle class, in any country, are the happiest.

  6. Where is your data to prove that any individual had worse treatment than another. It doesn’t matter does it? There were slaves other than just African Americans and Native American. However, the idea that any slaves may have been Caucasian doesn’t fit anyone’s “please feel sorry for me” narrative does it? I am sick of everyone degrading each other over things that happened long before any of us were born. We can’t forget it because it is history and we can’t let it repeat itself, but we really should move on already. Otherwise, we will continue to dwell on it, only leading to more animosity and frustration over something that none of us had any direct control or part of.

  7. If Lincoln freed the African slaves ,who freed the Irish slaves ??My mother’s family came from Belfast Ireland in 1925.there is no one left now. I can’t concur any of this now.

    1. Lincoln didn’t free the slaves, shut up. Go look up emancipation! Which means the process of being free and what would he have been freeing the Irish from exactly? besides being indentured slaves….Smh! If no one is left now, how are you even here?? Smh

  8. After so many years of lying, y’all will make any excuse to see fit that the coloreds weren’t the only slaves but they were. And stop trying to feel special with lies! If you weren’t there to tell me the true history then no history someone made up online to make themselves feel better isn’t going to make me believe this bull. Your lies won’t ever add up, and it won’t stop the government in it’s stand to eradicate the truth. And it wasn’t no dang Indentured Irish slaves that didn’t receive reparations for the ones that actually decided to come here on there own. Smh, yall need Yah! Epic fail stop trying to take away real history….

  9. “If you get them asking the wrong questions , they will never get the right answer” and “When it comes to race, the moment you stop running is the moment You Win” … YOU PPL ARE SPEAKING WRONG … First off, i am not a race! And niether are you … white is the only race, its not a birth right, its a choice, its ideology… its not a culture or nationality, or ethnisity, thats why they had to make a new category called RACE because thats what it is… the word RACE, for the slow ppl, is short for racism and racist , its the same meaning kind of like catholic is short for catholicism… theres no such thing as a whites slave, they were the slave masters, the supremists.
    .. caucasians were slaves, (the first slaves) Aficans for instance, were also slaves, just to name a few, these are nationalities, ethnicities and or cultures … so get some already, these are humans … so start acting like it. WHITE is a RACE, a competition , where one wins (dominates) over all. When applied inter species, it means extintion, a cancer to the body where the individual cells dont know who they are any more, i.e lost its identity (thru pollution or slavery) and acts to destroy its environment, the very body it rely upon for life… this is the anti life (antiman), (antichrist), this is cancer, this is how you divide and rule… SO TELL ME? ARE YOU A RACE? THEN TELL ME, WHAT IS RACE?… if so, then who are you racing against… (sometimes its so simple its stupid, and we all know stupid is what stupid does)… btw they tell you what there doing and some still dont get it, instead they pledge there aleagence to something that they have no idea the meaning of?? Why… cause this is what happens when you think with your skin and not your brain, when you use eyesight alone instead of eyesight and insight. So have you figured out that your not a race yet… the word is waiting… ok next question… ARE YOU WHITE?… so tell me, what does white mean? And why would you want to take credit for slavery? And if you donot know what white means, why call yourself that? … the Irish are humans , the Africans are humans… telling the irish or africans that your white is like telling the jews that your a nazi… insidently , the nazis know exactly what it means to be white, as they had to join this gang in order to be a nazi… so did the slave masters and kkk , they all knew what it meant, Supremist, RACING AGAINST THE HUMANS, TO BE SUPREME OVERTHE HUMANS, IN ORDER TO FARM THE HUMANS LIKE CATTLE. (Look up human farming on youtube) WHITE is a BRAND, a MARK that the farmer gives his beast, WHEN WE KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE, ONLY THEN CAN WE KNOW HOW TO GET OUT. IT TIME TO RIGHT THE WRONGS, “A PROBLEM IS NOT A PROBLEM, UNLESS YOU DEEM NOT TO FIX IT” . And nobody wants to fix it, trust me iv asked, there ego gets in the way, intelectual vigilance is not applied. (Btw.. spelling and typeos are the least of our problems, if youfind yourself fixated on them, its a tell, your ego is trying to grasp at straws hoping to provide redirect to distract from the facts… such as USING A WORD WRONG is far worse than spelling a word wrong). So… what are you? And do you know what that thing means that you call yourself? You would if you cared or sencere… BOTTOM LINE, IF IM NOT A RACE, AND YOUR NOT A RACE, THEN HOW CAN RACISM EXIST? CHECK TIM WISE YOUTUBE CLIP ON DENIAL… KNOW THY SELF, ONLY THEN CAN WE GROW…UP. whos ready to shed there ego and face facts? I dont see any hands… ok how bout this… put your hand up if you dont mind being treated for one day the way colored ppl are treated in this society… no hands?… that says you know theres a problem, and you dont want it for you, the question is, why do you allow it for others. Remember, you aline yourself with the thing that you call yourself… and Silence is condoning … unbourden your soul, let your spirit giude you and aline yourself with nature (God) once again…. because if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is a duck , not looks like a duck, is a duck… this is a modern version of when Jesus talked about the synoguge of satan… dont take the mark either in body or mind , for if the soul does not conect with its tru identity and its tru home, the soul will be cast… it is said that one drop of purity can clean a sesspool. Even if you dont know who you are yet cause of slavery, atleast know who your not, cause of sanity, the rest will come naturaly. Kissinger said “we can fool some of the ppl sometimes, but not all the ppl all the time, so we need to work on the some of the ppl all of the time. Slavery was never realy abolished, it just moved spread and or changed its appearence… for example after slavery ended in america, it (the racist or race) moved on to germany to continue there buisness plan of racism slavery , genocide called the holocaust, it hasnt stoped moving yet, going from country to country, killing murdering, all in the name of saving your skin… its a racket… remember slaver happened cause we participated in it, it could not have happened without our participation, same as the holocaust, by convincing some ppl that they are better than the humans, and now no longer identifiying with the humans, they should have noproblem murdering the humans. (Look up tim wise origins of the white race, or origins of the word white and what it was invented for) i wonder were germany would be today if they didnt have any decency dignity and shame and alowed ppl to keep calling themselve nazis. The brand “white” was invented for one reason. This can be seen in what they did to the irish (btw irish is a human, what that means is an african, by way of ireland ) and what the whites (or cancer) did to the spanish, or to the chinese or asian, or the native americans or the africans or the indians or what the whites did to the caucasians or to the slaves or to the arabs or what they did to the germans or what they the japanese… the list goes on and on… now look what the ppl who dont know who they are so they call themselves white and have no idea what that means when asked thats why they make the best candidate to employ to destroy the planet cause they dont care to know what they are so why care to know or recognize or respect what something else is , are doing to the water , to the air, or what there doing to the food , its not food anymore its just taste, thats it, basicaly just taste, colors and decorations and taste… this must be why american so called foods are illegal im most of the world like europe for instance. What about medicine? Thats gone, replaced by drugs, the list just goes on and on… and i know they keep us so distracted, its hard to find out, and they know that , but they also know its not there fault you never asked.yourself who you are, and the psycological problems that brings because your ok with it such as psycossis… thats why sometimes when old black folks would get called the n word , they would reply “at least i know what i am… and what im not”… so know thy self… i cant teach you everything… what prisoners you know that call themselves the nsme of there captures… isnt that stockhome syndrome… these ppl are crazy , capitol kkk… atleast they know what it means when they call themselves white … do you?… your giving creadence to them, your paying homige to them… so dont sit there and say you care, cause what you call yourself says you dont… and dont sit there and wonder whats wrong with the world, cause if you never wondered.who you are, or more impotantly who your not, then its you… ppl that are ok with being told what they are and what todo, and then go force that philosophy on others, thats whats wrong with this world… ppl like you… is it a wonder why burning books librairys and schools is part of there agenda (proposed agenda..= propaganda )… you realy wana help, realy wana fix this, cause its still happening today, and you just found out that your probably part of the problem stockhome syndrome… for example.. calling yourself white on a job application is like someone calling themselves the n word on a job app… or nazi or batman fot that matter, exept much much worse… im baffled why someone would want to call themselves a supremist slavemaster and would want to take credit for slavery, as if they were proud of it … they’v been trodding on the wine press much too long, repent… its time to separate the wolves from the sheep… so who are you?… (a slavery stroke of amnesia…) ok .. me too .. so who are you not… me… im an american.. from the lands that were once free, and the homes stolen from the brave. I in no way shape or form advocate slavery, racism, genocide its name its mark or its brand… Remember “CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE, CHANGE YOUR PLAN, CAUSE THERE COULD NEVER REALY BE JUSTICE ON STOLEN LAND”… this talk was to help my pale and light skined aficans (caucasians) out of bondageand accidental fellowship with the slave master supremist… i couldent cover everything, but i will try… remember they brought you down from grace, but you keep yourself there by talking wrong .. you are not what they say you are and you are not what you say you are.. ignorance can only breed ignorance.. stop giving them the benifit, and using terms that buy into a slave system.. see yourself precious once more… they now are playing around with neuclier bombs.. lets get our heads out of the sand and act before its too late.. join us, in humanity. BLESSINGS TO ALL. il address the original africans in the diaspora, and the affects it has and continues to have on them next or after this talk is complete.

  10. The comments here are disgusting quite frankly, if you dispute this perhaps you should go directly to the British sources themselves, they are replete with evidence of Irish slaves been transported in their thousands, hundreds of thousands to the Americas. Irish Americans, are embarrassed by this part of their history, why? Why you are the best army in the world and round up children you assume that’s shameful? Its a sad reality. As an Irish-Irish person this is nothing compared to what they did to us during the great hunger, 2 million of us starved. Black people here denying it need to get a life and read more, Irish need to do the same. The British were so arrogant they thought their Empire would never end and so their records on this part of our history is clear, suggest you check it out for yourself.

    1. Wow, I knew Irish were taken to America but I thought they were ‘Indentured” to pay off debts.

  11. It is truly scary to read the comments and reasoning for those comments. My grandparents use to tell us stories about our heritage, you see I am Irish and for those of you who believe the Irish were not slaves are very misinformed, or they are racist and are playing the sympathy card wanting to put the blame on the big bad white’s who enslaved the Africans which is a true statement, they did. However whites enslaved whites first, now some of you keep saying Irish were not slaves but that they were indentured servants, servant? My grandparents would tell stories of torture being hung over a fire and burned, decapitation, beatings, thrown overboard to drown while in transit on slave ships from England to the new world, raped, starved and the list goes on and on does that sound like a servant to you? Now some of you say that they weren’t slaves they were criminals being punished or paying off a debt….. not true! these men and they were mostly men were taken from there families by the English King’s for standing up for there right to freedom, not for being criminals. And another fact Irish slaves cost about a tenth of what an African slave did, so it was cheaper to make an example out of an Irish slave so they were tortured more often. Now I do not need retribution for my ancestors being slaves and I am not saying that Irish were enslaved worse than the Africans were, slavery is wrong, it was wrong then and its wrong now and the fact that its still going on and all anyone is concerned with is who was enslaved worse, whites or blacks???? All that matters is that we learn from our mistakes and that we never let it happen , I had nothing to do with slavery and nobody alive today did either, but instead of worrying about who did what to your ancestors because it wasn’t you who was mistreated or enslaved think about changing something for the better, fight against modern slavery, sex slavery etc. And stop with all the pity party and who did this and who did that, you can achieve anything you set your mind to do regardless of skin color and if your black, Obama proved that. Racism will always exist, but they are the few and we are the many and we should be bigger and better people than them. This country has way bigger problems than us as a people fighting against one another over something none of us had anything to do with, and if your ancestors were brought here as slaves like mine, then you should be thankful and proud, because you live in the greatest country on earth…

  12. I never heard about Irish slaves until a few days ago. I am of some irish descent . on my grandmothers side. I am 66 years old and reading about the irish slaves I am truly amazed at them being slaves. I was taught that it was only the negroes were slaves. I truly would like to see this made public or be able to put this on face book or any other site that people can read about and learn. You are right it is not taught in our schools and it very much needs to be taught to our children and their children as well.

  13. I am of Native American, Irish, Jewish, and African descent. The main problem here is that no one seems to be taking in to account history as a whole. You can’t keep taking little slices of it, and making arbitrary judgments. You cannot pick and choose what you like, and then toss what you don’t. The reason that we are taught history is so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past. It’s the same when we tell our children of our experiences in life, so that they to can avoid the pain that we have endured. So please, I implore you to stop passing on biased and hate filled views, your little pieces of knowledge that you have chosen to believe, instead only pass on the lessons that all of history should have been able to teach all of us. To not discriminate against anyone for there heritage or there faith, and to never let fear and ignorance to be your guiding light. As you can see I come from a long line that has endured, and my only wish is that my children can live in a world that is not filled with as much hate in the future as it has been in the past.

  14. I dont think anyone inteligent is disputing that all cultures and or nationalities.. in our time.. were whitewashed.. that is.. subjugated by the whites.. my irish ansecters were one such people who were subjugated by the whites.. if someone disputes this fact.. somethings wrong with them.. .. .. .. .. .. at the same time you call irish people white.. why would you desecrate there memory in such way.. at the time my irish brothers were taken by the terorists as slaves.. they did not reffer to themselves as white.. it wasnt until institutionalized slavery in america that the word white was used.. one porpose was to mean slave master.. the other was to allow the british/english slave masters to operate covertley amoungst the caucasians again.. to carry out there agenda and co-opt as much unwitting as posible.. .. because you must remember.. the caucasians ESCAPED so to speak.. to the americas.. from “the slave master king” .. this is the english the british.. the pre whites.. .. .. wake up .. do you know who you are.. or at least who your not.. .. .. .. .. when paul revere rode thru the streets saying.. the british were coming the british were coming.. we might as well said.. the whites were coming.. .. .. this problem is so simple.. its stupid.. all one has to do is ask yourself.. what is white.. and am i white.. but first you would have to.. one.. care enough to ask.. two.. be neutral and not race based, to get the answer.. .. .. .. please stop calling human beings that sufered under whiteness, whites.. this is perversion.. .. white love to pervert caucasians into droping there culture and adopting race.. .. droping there culturalism and adoptimg racism.. my caucasian ancestors called them vampires back then.. saying they suck you dry and kill you and or covert you into one of them.. if you know your history.. you would not be doomed to repeat it.. today the vampire calls himself white or terorist or kkk.. yesteday they were called.. nazi.. british.. devil or diablo.. before this.. satan.. nebucaneser.. (dont know how to spell that last one but you get the piont).. one name we called then transended allthese eras.. and that was.. shape shifter.. and dont that say it all.. .. so be yourself.. stop trying to be them.. at least be something you know the meaning of.. .. and for god sake please stop with the whole mypeople been through the same thing as if to say, so what, if your people has truly been thru the same, then you should have compasion.. saying something like.. yea i suffered under those tyranical racist terrotist too.. and together we’ll make it better and screw THEM.. but you cant say that can you.. why, is it because your lying or is it because you accidently, after suffering under THEM, now identify as THEM.. when your clearly not.. but somehow insist that you are a nazi terrorist genocidal slave master.. .. and then as afinal show of how incredably elusive inteligence is for you.. you call the slaves.. slave masters.. you call the irish.. whites.. how untolorably ignorant.. its just plain ignoring.. ignoring who you realy are.. for the sake of a man made principality.. an ideology.. a race, witch incidently is short for racism.. race is a game and your being played.. call yourself something other than a race, and maybe then you can be taken seriously.. theres only one race.. the whites.. irish is not a race.. how dare you impose your racism on then.. especialy concidering all that they suffered at the hand of the one and only race, the whites.. “if the truth is told, the youths can grow” (Nas).. heres some trickology.. some propaganda.. ever herd this.. she was treated bad cause she was black.. this is a farse.. a half truth dispenced to serve race based propaganda.. she was not treated bad cause she was black.. she was treated bad cause HE was white.. this statement is the whole truth.. and nothing but the truth.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. wake up.. .. .. .. .. or we can all go to hell.. it seems like this is an easier eventuation to some, rather than facing the truth.. .. .. .. .. .. .. only the truth will set you free.. confession, it is said, is the only way to heaven.. know thy self.. .. give thanks for the truth.. .. .. .. .. .. give thanks for the corections.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. and.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. see ourselves precious once more .. .. .. .. i have faith in you.. .. .. .. .. .. do good and good will follow you.

  15. It would a lot easier if you just said that the difference between Islam and Muslim is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian, Buddhism and Buddhist, Hinduism and Hindu, Atheism and Atheist etc.

  16. Alright.. You did reason with Sellassie I son.. (avatar) now reason with the King of Kings himself.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Jah Ras Tafari .. .. .. .. .. .. known to the bableonians as.. .. .. .. .. “His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Haile Sellassie, the First” .. .. .. .. .. . blessed is he, who takes council with the most high.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. i believe it was H.I.M. who was the FIRST to FOCUS on RACE.. the CAUSE of the problem.. instead of RACISM.. the SYMPTOM of the problem.. as he was tasked with being and dealing from the higher self.. this contiousness for example is what sets him apart from millions of people, that are experiencing life from a lower self.. a lower contiousness .. a lower preception .. he is truly a one in a billion soul .. .. .. .. hail to the King, Ras Tafari .. may he forever Rule and Rein.. .. .. .. .. to guide I an I away from sin and make clear the coruption and deceitful ways of man .. you think sharpton gonna tell u this.. or farakahn.. how bout mother terrisa .. no disrespect to there works.. i love them all, even have love to forgive satan.. but theres certain limits to what people can do and know.. but when i say one in a billion.. it is truly such.. that he should love you so much as to say and do things, precevably only for your benefit.. you.. a person he has never met before .. .. .. .. wow.. .. amazing.. .. .. this is the cloth that all leaders should be made of .. and dare i say it.. .. i see no flaw in this man .. comparitively.. .. .. .. .. i remember a story about a man that was pure of heart, free from sin, without flaw and selfless in action, that came to us as a lamb, and loved us like no other love weve ever know.. (and to thank him we sat there and watched as our leaders murderd him, for love came at a price and should not be free, was the order of the day, although not an excuse for inaction).. as the story goes it is told that this man himself said, that when he returns, “i will not come back as a lamb to be slaughtered, but as a king, to be praised” .. obviously, you will know him, by his God selfs character traits.. Christ in his Kingly character.. (because no normal, average everyday man is that selfless, especialy if they have the riches to endulge, as a king) .. my question.. why should a king, with all that he has.. risk loosing everything even his life to try to awaken and liberate people from talking wrong, and the dangers of that leading you astray.. .. into political rule, political structuring, stratafication.. .. was he not from that same political rule .. .. shouldent he be endulging and getting fat off of the backs of the peoples mis conceptions .. instead of trying to help awaken people from the mis conception .. .. why such selfless act.. why care.. why not just get fat.. .. this is profound .. .. why should a king threaten his own standing by freeing the minds of strangers.. .. i guess good is what good does .. no matter what .. something is what something does .. .. “send them Sellassie I, enlighten them lord” .. .. .. examine this speach carefuly.. notice how the establishments interviewer uses the terms black and white.. trying to get H.I.M. to use her terms thereby submiting to her authority, as she offered the terms and he accepted.. this would also mean he not only condones her terminology but endoses it.. it would also mean something more sinister.. you see they were known as colonial masters or slave masters.. this terminology is very clear, truthful and does not decieve or concele the truth.. the establishment, who was looking to get away with there crimes.. had to do one important thing.. get rid of all the evidence.. this is also why THEY want us to stop using the n word.. its key evidence to one of the worst crimes ever.. theres only one way to get away with a crime .. get rid of the evidence.. (UNTIL a trial for slavery and reperations is had, that word is going nowhere, u wanna get rid of the evidence to get away with your crime, also, u dont wanna tell people the truth about who invented that word and for what purpose, u dont wana tell them where terrorism comes from, all cause u think of your self as white, and so, act criminaly to concele the crimes of the whites.. act sinfuly to concele sin), but his Majesty knows better than to buy into there redirect, and ops out and uses more concise terms, proper terms, more relative to the situation, pretty much the original terms weve always been using, as they hold with them, truth .. he uses the term “those who suffered under colonialism for non whites and the term “colonial masters” for whites.. then went on to say we should not use such terms as black or white for human speech.. he also sujested to forgive the colonial slave masters, lest you become like them.. in termonology and actions.. .. .. .. .. .. .. who is this man .. .. .. .. .. .. with such conviction and a seemingly endless supply of love for his fellow man, even the agressors.. .. .. .. why .. .. .. .. when he didnt have to .. .. .. .. .. .. .. or did he .. .. was there a greater force working inside him, that this NEW world has realy yet to know or recognize .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. with the greatest respect .. .. .. .. .. here is a clip from one of my fathers .. .. the King of Ethiopia .. .. .. .. .. .. .. the King, of RasTafari .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. the King of Kings, himself .. Emperor Qedamawi Haile Sellassie the First .. ..

    Cant take your slogons no more
    “Emancipate your self from mental slavery.. non but our selves can free our minds” .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Bob Tuff Gong Marley .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. way up de .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Sellassie I, Jah, RasTafari .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. stay up de .. .. .. .. .. .. ..

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