Was Septimius Severus the 1st Black man to rule England?
Did you know that Black and Asian people first came to the North East in Roman times? Or that England was once ruled by a Libyan? These and many more historical facts were revealed as part of BBC Black History Month.
Early Black History
Emperor Septimius Severus wasn’t the only Black Roman in Britain. There were other African officers, soldiers … stationed on and around Hadrian’s Wall in the 3rd century.
Black Romans
From the 9th century onwards, there are records of Vikings bringing Moroccans to the region.
There’s a gap in the recording of black presence in the North East of England for nearly 400 years until the start of the 16th century.
Black and Asian presence in the North East of England can be traced back to Septimius Severus, a North African Libyan, who ruled England as Roman Emperor between 193-211 AD.
Severus was unique amongst the Roman emperors as being the first Black citizen to hold the highest office in the empire.
Son of Septimus
The most celebrated example of an early Black presence in Britain is the case of the Roman military garrison on Hadrian’s Wall in Cumbria.
A 4th century inscription tells us that the Roman auxiliary unit, Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum, was stationed at Aballava, modern day Burgh-by-Sands.
This unit had been mustered in the Roman province of Mauretania in North Africa, modern Morocco.
septimus-severus
Genetic evidence
It was recently suggested that African DNA might be found to be present in the local populations near to Hadrian’s Wall.
However, this would not conclusively show that the Black Roman soldiers on the wall intermarried with the local population because of the problem of ‘admixture’.
Admixture is a process whereby the DNA of a population becomes diluted over time and it cannot be shown at what period in time that dilution took place.
African Legacy
During his time in office, Septimius Severus legalised marriage during military service.
There is also evidence that that some Black Romans married, had children, and remained in Britain after their tour of duty.
Skeletons unearthed in a Romano British Cemetery outside York revealed the limb proportions of some of the men suggested that they were Black Africans.
Perhaps they might be considered to be Britain’s first Diaspora people, making Cumbria the birthplace of Black British history?
Sigh. When the Romans defeated the Carthaginians(who were originally Phoenicians ie Lebanese), they remained Carthage “Africa” after the Roman general/senator Publius Scipio Africus. “Africans” therefore meant only those people who came from what is roughly present-day Tunisia and Northwest Libya. They were NOT black. The Libyans in antiguity were known for the blueness of their eyes. There are countless examples of busts, mosaics, statues etc that show exactly how these Africans, Libyans, Numidians looked. The famous bust of Septimius Severus shows a “Middle-Eastern” or “Arabic”-looking man. NOT black.
Look, as an analogy the word “gay” used to mean “carefree” or “lighthearted”. Today it means “homosexual”. If somebody in 2007 reads a book from say 1800 which describes a man as “gay”, the modern reader would need to know that “gay” meant something very different then. In the same way, ignoring the 2 000-year old meaning of “African”, and applying the Oprah Winfrey-meaning of African to people who were around in the time of the New testament, is at best simply ignorant, and at worst, outright deception.
Middle Easterners look Mulatto correct? Red Neck’s were calling Barak Obama an arab right? This means they have a similar look even though they are not the same. It’s the same with Severus. Another thing too, no one white claims African ancestry other than those who stay in the British ruled parts of South Africa. Being that he wasn’t from those parts and they said he was African back in the 200th century A.D. This means he had distinct African features and the fact he was born in Africa couldn’t be refuted. His mother was Italian and his dad was Punic. Punic’s originated from the Canaanites who were descendant’s of Kush. So all this talk about his look is unimportant. His dad’s ancestry speaks for itself. SO it is NOT a deceptive thing to claim he is of BLACK ancestry.
THANK YOU JOHN!!!!! Im sick of people thinking Hannibal was black. (Even the history channel depicted his as a 6,6 shirtless bald black guy) Look at his bust, his nose, etc. Not to take anything away from black civilizations but the myth of the north african being black just isnt true. Some had darker skin, brown and some were more white.
Somalian, Ethiopian and Eritrean bust’s would appear to be more Caucasian too…..Black people do not all have the same facial features and vary across Africa.
sigh. why does it bother people to think of cathage as a black african civilization. its like people go out of their way to point out the fact that they were phoenician. this means nothing if you consider that there is no evidence that tells us where the phoenicians were from or what they really looked like. carthage existed in north africa for 100’s of years. so why is it so hard to accept that they might have black africans in their soceity? also remember that most of the studies done on carthgeand hannibal were done by historians in a time when racism was an accepted thing. so any evidence pointing to black african links would of been over looked and any evidence point to europe or east asia would of been highlighted.
Well , as usual many people have negative things to say about this article because it challenges most modern day principles and ideas as it quite clearly states that BLACK people were here long before the majority of the modern day caucasion population would like to accept !
Ignorance is Obvious .
Ditto to the 2nd and 3rd replies. I was reading a similar debate regarding the Moors in Spain and the similar debate like the first replier is all too predictable.
I have to sit back and laugh when people assume that Northern Africans in general aren’t or were never black. The analogy that I use for Egypt being a black population is the native people of this country.
Before Columbus accident landed on the shores of this side of the world, it was populated with what they calleds Indians. The U.S. over the centuries the natives have been either killed off by murder, disease, mixed with white or put on reservations. This has caused a majority to be the most smallest of the ethnic/racial population in this country. The Chinese have a larger population that the native people here.
This is what had happened to the black Africans in northern Europe. Egypt is a prime example of Arabs and whites entering the country and mixing with them so much that you’d never think that it was once rulled by blacks similar to the native Americans.
Btw, the same analogy can be used with the blacks who once out populated the Spaniards in Mexico before the Spanish settled. Now the black Mexicans live in a southern part of Mexico without a voice.
I did a search and this site popped up. I remember some years ago, Richard Roundtree, the guy who played the black detective Shaft, played this character in a movie. Which brings up another point that many whites try to claim that they know. The blacks Africans once did fight and ruled with the Romans, and many were sent over to Ireland. This would also explain the kinky hair and afros that many Irish have.
Btw, the late President Sadat was black with the Arab blood. A common face in his homeland and what the Moors were mixed with, but were described by the Arabs, “Dark as Ink.”
Almost forgot, black Africans entered Europe way before they made contact with the Romans. Read a book titled, “black spark white fire.” by a Jewish author Terry Poe.
Please…This entire “black myth” is starting to get down right ignorant. If you want to in some way gift a lift to a black kids spirit, don’t lie to him. All one has to do is look at present day Sub-Saharan Africa and they would SEE the true African. The true African has never created a written language, invented even the wheel or any other form of “civilization”. people need to study ancient EUROPEAN, ASIAN and MIDDLE EASTERN history because the people from those parts of the world have advanced. I don’t need to study ancient African history because all I have to do is look at some National Geographic magazines of today. The negroids now are the same as in “ancient” times…living in mud huts, drinking cow urine and throwing spears.
To the person who wrote “TheTruth”
Good thing it’s your truth–not mines. It’s this type of ignorance that’s running wild loose today in this society. You wouldn’t know the truth if it were a poisionous snake looking you dead in the eyes. Peace.
To the fake pinkie who calls himself thetruth, hear the real truth:
We will not get caught in some race baiting exercise with a moronic, feckless fool from the backwaters of working class struggle and poverty.
Your wretchedness which you project as racist hate of Africans has nothing to do with Africans. Instead they have every thing to do with the brutal policies of your political and economic masters, the aristocracy and business captains of the western world, who have refused to share any meaning part of the loot they stole from African countries with you.
Your problem is that your mind is full of money worries, you are unemployed, poorly educated and have no hope of getting out of the dump your life will be stuck in till the day your wasted mind and body will be burnt in a crematorium.
But being the coward you are, you are unable to direct your anger to those that have mutilated you. Instead you vent it in a direction you have been programmed to consider politically correct.
The psychological injury that has left you in this psychotic mess can only be healed when seek the true emancipation of your disguised, glorified and democratized enslavement.
Go find a day job…White (pink) trash!
Jahdey
LOL this is hilarious. In another article that mentioned original Arabs as blacks, I said “whats next, are you guys going to make claims that Romans were black too?”… I guess my prediction came correct, LMAO. This is downright hilarious. These rastafarians claim Black kings ruled Scotland, blacks made the Roman Empire and blacks were the original Arabs. Its hilarious and stupid at the same time. Ive never seen such ignorance in my life, people trying to distort the truth in order to make the black race look more superior than the others. Its called “stealing the glory from other people” and thats exactly what rastafarians are doing. Keep lying to yourselves. North Africans were white, and never needed to be black. Think of it from a scientific perspective, theres no need to have a black pigment in your DNA if youre living in North Africa. Blacks became black because they moved to central Africa where the sun shines at a 90 degree angle all year round. Now they are trying to prove black presence in every known civilization on Earth. I wont be surprised if blacks start claiming the Chinese Empire as their own.
Muha-madder
That article on Black Romans came from BBC-News site. It was written by Europeans as a historical record.
Your Islamo-facist mind does not see that, rather in your impotent jealousy you would rather that the History of African people be hidden away.
But, yes, this article was written by highly educated European who should know better according to you, than listen to RastafarI stories.
Muhamud you little Islamo-facist troll, Rasta never wrote the article above…your white masters did. It came from BBC!!!
Search for it on BBC News website.
Muha-muddy you pitiful wretched terrorist, here is a link for Black Chinese written by Chinese Professor based in Peking Prof Jin Li:
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ancient-black-chinese-from-east-africa-by-prof-jin-li-2/
Jahdey
Its funny how you start namecalling people when you lose your temper, I guess its a common habit of the originals of this planet. Haha. Wheres the link to this article, it doesnt seem to be working anymore or was it made up by the pro-rastafarians? Another funny thing, if it was written by my “white masters” then why are you believing their stories? Maybe the article writer had is wrong.. haha it just proves how hypocrtical you are.
Jahdey….
Poor, poor ignorant blackie…So eager to etch your place in the civilised world, yet you niggers do it on the backs of others. You notice that if you really want to start the name calling I will, nigger. If you want to discuss the FACTS, I will do that too.
The bulk of the population of Roman Africa was invariably composed of three chief elements: the indigenous Berber tribes ( http://www.arab.de/arabinfo/berbers.htm ), the ancient Carthaginians of Phoenician origin and the Roman colonists. The Berber tribes, whose racial unity is attested by their common spoken language and by the comparatively numerous Berber inscriptions that have come down to us, bore in ancient times the generic names of Numidians, Gaetulians and Moors or Maurusiani. Herodotus mentions a great number of these tribes. During the Roman period, according to Pliny, there were settlements of 26 indigenous tribes extending from the Ampsaga as far as Cyrenaica. The much more detailed list of Ptolemy enumerates 39 indigenous tribes in the province of Africa and 25 in Mauretania Caesariensis. Ammianus Marcellinus, Procopius and Flavius Cresconius Corippus give still further names. Besides the Afri (Aourigha) of the territory of Carthage, the principal tribes that took part in the wars against the Romans were the Lotophagi, the Garamantes, the Maces, the Nasamones in the regions of the S.E., the Misulani or Musulamii (whence the name Mussulman), the Massyli and the Massaesyli in the E., who were neighbours of the Moors. The non-nomads of these Libyan tribes dwelt in huts made of stakes supporting plaited mats of rush or asphodel. These dwellings, which were called mapalia, are the modern gourbis. African epigraphy has revealed the names of some of their deities: deus invictus Aulisva; the god Motmanius, associated with Mercury; the god Lilleus; Baldir Augustus; Kautus pater; the goddess Gilva, identified with Tellus, and Ifru Augustus (Tissot i. 486). The Johannis of Corippus mentions three native divinities: Sinifere, Mastiman and Gurzil. There were also local divinities in all the principal districts. The rock bas-reliefs and other monuments showing native divinities are rare, and give only very summary representations. Dolmens, however, occur in great numbers in Tunisia and the province of Constantine. Tumuli, too, are found throughout northern Africa, the”most celebrated being that near Cherchel, the Kubr-er-Rumia (” tomb of the Christian lady “), which was regarded by Pomponius Mela as the royal burying-place of the kings of Numidia.
None of those people were Sub-Saharan niggers…fool
TheTruth aka Pinkie Arse
It appears you are just half educated. A half baked pink-white trash is the most poisonous piece of junk that defaces earth. But more later.
Your attempt at intellectual posturing leaves me feeling even more sorry for your pink arse. Why? Because you do not understand that the sources you just cited, the cities and regions you just named and the etymology of the names you just referenced all indicate the noble Moor whom jealous bums like you would call Niggers. Niggaz was a good man.
Africa is one continent and the sooner you understand that it is one big giant land mass the better for you.
Africans live in Africa and they are all brown skinned in fact. Various shades of brown but brown still, yet brown. Very radically different from your pale pink hairy arse.
Call them sub-saharans, call them supra-saharans, call them hamites or niggaz or whatever euphemism you please, the unity of our continent is written in blood and DNA, written in language and culture, written in our history, established by its music and religion, written in huge stone boulders. The Spinx of Egypty was a niggaz too.
Rich westerners who have been to good and exclusive schools and have trained in the classic arts and philosophy all understand and acknowledge the pre-eminence of ancient so called Black Africans (so-called today) whose true names are the noble Moors.
Europe learned science, and culture from the Noble Moors. Go search for the works of the best and most famous European painters like Rosseau, then you will see that your masters of the yore, the Noble Moors, are those whom you so cavalierly term the Niggaz of today.
But I have seen the light. I am dark and beautiful. Noble Moor. Rastafari. Your Master from Yore to Eternity. I know you feel I vibes!
Thatz the real truth. Remember this, pinkie, remember this!
Jahdey
HAHA! Again, your niggar-ese can’t comprehend that I realize that some of these people were African, just as the Ancient Egyptians were Africans, yet they were not the negroid race, buck nigger of Sub-Saharan African. Is that a little too hard for that inferior brain to understand? I CLEARLY pointed out that they were not SUB-SAHARAN Africans. If you really believe that Northern Africans are Sub-Saharan Africans, travel over to Egypt as I have, walk up to any Egyptian, as I have, and ask him or her if they are African. You will probably find your nigger ass strung up. Do you know why? Egyptians, and most other Northern African’s despise the Sub-Saharan African. “The well-documented cultural poverty of Africa before contact with whites or Arabs is almost certainly due to low average intelligence. No sub-Saharan people had the wheel, a written language, mechanical devices, multi-story buildings, or a calendar. Their words for counting consisted of one, two, few, and many, though some tribes could count to seven by combining twos and ones.”
There are three main races: “Mongoloids”, “Caucasoids” and “Negroids”…The former, Asians, N. Africans and Middle Easterners, having the largest of brains and higher average IQ’s…And the latter, negroids, Sub-Saharan Africans, have the smallest brains and lowest IQ’s.
Yet you dumb niggers want the world to believe that the TRUE Black Sub-Saharan nigger, somehow built the pyramids, invented mathamatics and developed what would one day be the civilized world, yet you niggers decided you had had enough, wnet back to Sub-Saharan Africa, sat on your asses, invented nothing, not even a written language and now beg for everything the rest of the world creates on it’s own?
Now THAT is one dumb nigger…nigger
BTW, nigger..here are your Moors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PLATE1BX.jpg
http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/Images/lanka_moors.jpg
http://www.gosahara.org/moors.jpg
Pink-Arse
Here are the Moors:
The Moor’s head: http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moor+flag+corsican&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/
Sorry to disappoint you. But those Moors you posted although Hassaniya Arabs in actuality are so suffused with Black African blood that their phenotype matches mine and those of my sisters. Those your so-called Moors are Black Africans fool. They are not pink and hairy like you, they are brown like me. I am not pink and hairy like you!
According to Hairy Pinky : …The well-documented cultural poverty of Africa before contact with whites or Arabs is almost certainly due to low average intelligence. No sub-Saharan people had the wheel, a written language, mechanical devices, multi-story buildings, or a calendar…”
The Lower Class gutter snipe (aka Hairy Pinky) does not realize that writing began in Africa. the ignorant Neanderthal has not heard of the Heiroglyphics of Meroe, Ethiopia and Egypt! Even the Sumerians aka the Black heads, Black Africans who settled Mesopotamia from Africa, they invented the cunniform writing.
Africa actually has more writing systems than any other area of the world. We have Ethiopian Geez, we have the Egyptian heiroglyphics and demotic, we have the written Amazigh, we have the Nsibidi of Nigeria, the Via scripts of Liberia, we have the Uli symbols also from Nigeria. Phonecians adapted Kusitic writing skills, gave it to the Greeks who passed it on to Rome. Actually, it is Europe that never developed any writing system except what it copied from Africans. There were thousand year old libraries in Black Africa before Europe saw its first books.
The wheel was invented in Africa by Africans and taken all over the world in prehistory. Just like the Blacks invented agriculture, city building, mining and stone cutting, Black Africans made the first wheels. Where in Europe was the wheel invented?
Multi-story buildings were first seen in ancient Egypt, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Pemba on the East African coast. I know you have never heard of Mapungwe in South Africa nor the Great Zimbabwe. Where was the first multi-story European buildings? Europeans could not construct anything durable until the Templar Knights returned from Jerusalem then ruled by the Moors and the Saracens.
Sub-Saharan Africa is a region of Africa. It is not a race.
Pink bad hairy man…Black Africans live right across Africa since the beginning of time. It is idle to deny reality. When you are reduced to qualifying the morphology of Africans based on some whimsical rule…it is time to remind you of objective reality. Black Africans own Africa from Congo to Libya, from Cairo to Johannesburg. We never shared ancient Africa with any pink guys like you.
Yes, but we shared Europe with you. We live in Europe through our half breed children of Southern Europe. The French Spainiards and italians still display a Black man’s head on their cultural flags. It is called the Moor’s head. Look for it on goggle. Black genes everywhere…even in your wretched pink bluish veins in the colder paler parts of Europe.
We are your fathers, your teachers, your masters, and your eventual salvation.
You claim you went to Egypt but I know your hairy pink neanderthal arse has never left the cold climes of your unemployment-ridden trailer quarters somewhere in northwest Europe. When you ever get to see the world, you will marvel at how jaundiced your world view is.
You sound like you need some spice to help you liven up. Some colour will help out this winter, and your shrink is still there to make money off you.
Now go get some tan…and take your medication along too. Neanderthal fool!
Jahdey
all u racist people u want to hide the truth because deep down u know your race stole everything from the african race u don’t want to know the truth thats why the world is at war now because the white,jewish and arab race at war with each other over what the black man history u fight to keep everything hiden but in the end the black race will be on top again
Funny thing how can such level of humanism and immaturity be combined in a same train of thought. Too bad we disregard the word “ignorance” altogether, when we are all ignorants in a way…
I certainly see some truth in both TheTruth and Jahdey, and while this bit of cyberspace gets SEO, the lesser educated are out there, not able to tell the difference between Carthaginians and Moors. Guess I’ll keep doing my research elsewhere, in search of kinder answers…
Jahdey;
You need to cool down man! These people are just yankin your chain man and your head is spinin with it. You can’t respond to racist comments with more racist comments brother! I’m red and black (E3B from the mother land), white and a little yellow. Does Jah love me less for that brother? I don’t believe so! I don’t believe that is the truth. It sure not the most holy true belief of H.I.M. Most living peolpe come from the tribe of the Conquering Lion of Judah whether they know thier truth or not. We have just changed our color over time but that is not wrong or the fault of people who have changed. It is just the truth of who we have become. It is up to us to not rely on our own misunderstanding when truth is speaking to us. H.I.M addressed this very well in his address to New Orleans. He was very anti-facist and pro-peace and freedom for all people, not just black people. We should never make his legacy one of ugliness or hatred toward to anyone, it never was and never should become that. By the way, H.IM was a devout Ethiopian Copitc Church memember. It is probably the most mystical religion on earth akin to many African Sephardic ancient traditions. Don’t be ugly Jahdey, rise above that! Follow the word of H.I.M. He was never hateful nor should you ever be my brother.
Rasman
Rasman
Rasman
Me hear you. The truth may be an offense, but it is not a crime.
I do not racist against anyone but when a fool come to me talking about this and that…I burn him up!
We all have something to say to the other, so when a right wing fool come here with his fuckery, man, I chew him up!
I tear down all that right wing pomposity, hubris and ignorance.
I do not cringe cause I will call a spade a spade. Right wing nuts need to hear the bare truth because the truth is for everyone African or European.
Hail up
Jahdey
Jahdey;
I understand and fighting, the fight is not not a bad thing. I didn’t say that. You are brave to fight this fight on your own. I only said remeber the words of H.I.M, he maintained his dignity even in his ultimate downfall But H.I.M never brought his pain down to the street fighting level. His message was always positive, Afrocentric but never Black. We should never forget we are all Afrocentric but now, due to changes beyond our control, we are not all black but many colors. I really believe H.I.M is a true descendent of the Lion, I understand this but so am I. Taht doesn’t matter. We all need to get this understanding back home again soon . I have to tell you the truth, some black skined people keep making this divide wider and deeper. That is wrong! and not what the word of H.I.M says. He was always true to human truth and unity as descendent of the first generation of true Christianity. And the Jah Rastafari should be true to H.I.M. All I say was H.I.M was an authentic born Chtistian and not a hater of any race.
Rasman
Jahdey;
Ok man, you vented it out on me your feelings so, cool man now you can go forward. But go forward with it truth of H.I.M in mind not your own anger or human misundersatnding. That is my only recommendation brother. If you wnat to take it out on me any time man, I’m cool with that. I really have no problem. But don’t take it out on the racists who just lack the understanding of H.I.M. It is just beating a dead horse.
Rasman
It is really funny to think that whites still believe they are the first at anything. The ancient blacks traveled over the Caucasus Mountains taking him 20,000 years to adapt to his environment which was clad in ice and a lack of sun, which changed the pigmentation of his skin into what we know as white people. And a Black man colonized Greece and founded the classical city of Athens, his name was Senwosret. look it up.
I’ve read that ‘black spark, white fire’ and must say that Richard Poe doesn’t seem to have the first clue about European history.
I doubt very much that the man knows anything at all beyond his own Afrocentric agenda.
Both sides claiming to be Egyptians when neither has a claim.
Makes me laugh at you all for your infantile debates.
At the university I was attending an Egyptian friend of mine told me that he had just as much black African blood as I had because he knew his history and he knew where he came from. I was shocked no doubt as he was quite fair skinned. He studied Anthropology.
I don’t like Afrocentricity of Eurocentricity because frankly I don’t see all this as really relevent to any important cause. Furthermore there is no need to be defensive when someone make a claim about how much a certain ethnicity a contributed to the so-called advancement of civilization. This design of life and nature seems to be quite remarkable as it is, so is not possible that some of these non-inventive tribes or groups had the intelligence enough to simply accept nature in it’s most advanced natural state. Has there really been any advancement. Can there be advancement on that which is already perfect. What setbacks have been set in place by so-called advancement.
The TRUTH.The TRUTH.It is unsettling and frightening to the heathen!! Makes him panic senseless!
Yet the truth still fascinates his devil-filled, junk food regulated brain.
A mind so twisted and depraved that he has the gall to call himself truth!. This indeed is the devil himself.
Whether he likes it or not we Africans are recapturing our culture.
Rastafari Jahdey this is good teachings. Nobody gangs lies on Jah and gets away!Pulverize this devil’s puny mind! Good work Brother!
my message to mohammad ,inshallah you will see johanam before you see janah, allah made us all equal ,the prophet p.b.u.h said if you have nothing good to say shut up,there were many black sahabas, also i swear by allah what you all talk about is in the past , i will show you all what a black man can achieve in the future inshallah because knowledge is power
when the greeks came to egypt they said the races of the world are different but equal and made a statue of a black person on one side and a white women on the other with a leaf that they wore in rome at the time.
well people know the moors were black and arab berbers are black and arab i know i live here in north africa in morocco.
blacks lived in north africa which includes morocco even Constantine de Volney (1787)when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says.
Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly and nappy hair…’ “In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans.
Just think,that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people ( Americans) who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites 1787.
http://www.nathanielturner.com/hitlerandnegro.htm
http://members.tripod.com/jrmoore1958/chapter12.html
http://members.tripod.com/jrmoore1958/chapter13.html
there is your proof debate close
Vivant Denon etched the image of the Sphinx of Giza around (1798)
Though its proportions are colossal, the outline is pure and graceful; the expression of the head is mild, gracious, and tranquil; the character is African, but the mouth, and lips of which are thick, has a softness and delicacy of execution truly admirable; it seems real life and flesh.
Art must have been at a high pitch when this monument was executed; for, if the head wants what is called style, that is the say, the straight and bold lines which give expression to the figures under which the Greeks have designated their deities, yet sufficient justice has been rendered to the fine simplicity and character of nature which is displayed in this figure.
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/sphinx.htm
had to put a end to the stupid debates about africans not living in egypt or north africa dam people are so stupid. people know blacks lived in north africa like they do today in morocco and other parts just not like they use to even the (GREEKS) said so D A P >>>> dum ass people
this is the same race of people that think adam and eve were real people and they bit from a fruit that a serpent told them to do hahahahahahaha
In the state pictures of Kaiser Wilhelm I, between the years 1857 and 1870 appears a Negro as a German officer.
St. Maurice a black moor depicted in Germany as a Negro of the finest type. St. Maurice is the patron saint of the city of Cobourg and he appears in the city’s coat-of-arms. His picture, by Grunewald, hangs in the Alte-Pinokathek, Southern Germany’s largest museum.
On the most important bridge over the Spree at the south end of the Unter den Linden near the Berlin Cathedral in the very center of the north side of the bridge is a monument no less than eight feet high of a Negro.
In the park of the royal palace at San Souci, Potsdam, favorite residence of the last Kaiser are several statutes of Negroes, who were the favorites of the Prussian rulers Another painting of St. Maurice by Hans Baldung is, if I remember rightly, in the Dresden Museum. There is also a monument of him in armor in the Cathedral of Magdeburg.
Austria and there, too, St. Maurice and the Black Virgin are highly revered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRj10Gt3NU
learn something you never seen before black moors in european art
done posting and putting some education on this topic…
I read and must respond! Herein I will avoid repeating some commentary that I have already made on the technological, molecular biological, archaeological, and logical arguments that clearly support the fact that the first modern people were black Africans, and that all present-day civilization rests on a black African foundation – please see my comments in response to “The Black Greeks” elsewhere on this website. But, here, to repeat just a bit, so-called “white” people demonstrate a failure to recognize certain basic principles and to actually think them through to a logical conclusion using basic human logic. It is a fallacy to assume that present-day populations in a given area necessarily look the same as ancient populations. The first anatomically modern humans, if they could somehow be transported to today, would be categorized as black: they looked more like modern “sub-Saharan” black Africans than any other modern-day group. How do we know? There is plenty of evidence. For instance (I cite other evidence elsewhere on this website; see above), it is possible to examine skeletal remains and determine whether the person was black: certain features of the long bones (e.g., the femur) as well as the skull, jaw, and arrangement of teeth are characteristically black African. Well, the oldest fossilized remains of modern humans found in what we call Europe were found in the Grimaldi caves in what is now France. These remains were examined about 100 years ago by “white” European scientists, who declared that the skeletons were indeed “Africoid.” Thus, the first modern humans in what is called “Europe” would be today categorized as black. But, that is not the case today. Clearly, at some point, “white” people arrived/appeared in Europe and interbred with (and perhaps also killed a good number of) the original black inhabitants. If the “white” newcomers are sufficiently numerous, well, the original black genetic contributions to populations of descendants would be overwhelmed (but not completely erased). In other words, in relatively few generations, ancient black populations can have “white” descendants. The problem is that in the US (for example), the definition of black (for the most part) follows the one-drop rule (the history of that is another discussion). So when a so-called “white” person (e.g. “TheTruth,” presumably…) spends his life looking at images of seemingly “white” people (e.g., ancient Romans) and then is told that these “white” “Romans” had black ancestors, his mind uses the one-drop rule to conclude that you have just called “Romans” black. To “TheTruth” this is an irreconcilable conflict, so one of the two statements must be rejected – and of course “TheTruth” – as do almost all so-called “white” people — rejects the statement that would force him to think critically, and embraces the fallacy that makes him feel better. Critical thought is hard work. And thus too, do almost all “white” people refuse to recognize physical signs of black African ancestry in so many so-called “white” people. The “olive skin” so often attributed to modern-day “Italians” (Which kind of olive? Hell, folks can’t mean the GREEN ones, can they?), the “curly” or “corkscrew” hair that can be found in any subgroup of “white” people (please do not forget the “frizzy” hair that so many “white” Jewish women hide by perming), the ability to “tan,” all derive from ancient and recent black African ancestry. Simple human logic: in the USA alone, tens of thousands of Africans “passed” into the “white” population over the past couple of centuries alone – they have “white” descendants. Now figure out how many – one person passes say, one hundred years ago. Assuming twenty-five years per generation, and underestimating a mere two children per couple per generation, that amounts to 16 “white” people today who do not know of their black African great-great grandparent. Multiply that by tens of thousands of times in the USA alone. Then ask yourself where you end up when you travel due south from say, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, and Greece – Africa. Ask yourself how many black Africans (not slaves, but free, rich, and powerful, or just free and hard-working) lived in Europe and had children whose descendants today call themselves white. “TheTruth”, you may not invoke the word “Moor” as something other than black African. Allessandro deMedici, the first hereditary duke of Florence, was the son of Giulio deMedici (who later became Pope Clement VII) and a black woman named Simonetta daCollavecchio. His contemporaries nicknamed him “il Moro.” Clearly, to “Italians” even then, “Moor” meant “of black African ancestry.” “Moor” did not mean some mythical “swarthy but nevertheless white” population. Then ask yourself how one would categorize the “Moors” who ruled almost all of Iberia for over seven centuries. Ask yourself how many European/”white” people today have the surname “Moore” or “Maurice” or something of similar etymological origin. One reason surnames arose in “Europe” was to distinguish a John in one family from the fifty other Johns living in the same town. John the smith, as opposed to John the baker, became John Smith. So why would one man be named Moore? Or Black? Or Schwarz? What could possibly have distinguished the first Mr. Moore from his neighbors? Heh. Ask yourself about the” Arab”-run slave trade (ironically, “Arab” itself includes so many people of ancient and recent black African ancestry) that brought enslaved black Africans to “Europe” before “Europeans” even learned of the existence of the Americas. The “Portuguese” and “Spaniards” brought black Africans to live in Iberia, very often as concubines, BEFORE 1492. Where are the descendants of these black Africans? How many of them are there after 500 years? What do they look like? What about DNA analysis way back in 1989 that identified sub-Saharan African markers in over 4% of Sicilians tested (see Ann. Hum. Genet. 53(Pt 2):193-202)? The real percentage must be higher, as sample size was small, and any genetic markers, African or otherwise, can recombine out in as little as one generation. I repeat, modern-day “white” populations can be the descendants of ancient black populations, and can have had a constant influx of black African blood, and still call themselves ”white.” Modern-day “Egyptians” reject their black African ancestry, even when it is evident in their appearance and culture, because outside the USA, the one-drop rule works the other way around: if you can point to one “white” ancestor, then you call yourself “white.” Never mind the fact that statues and carvings of almost all Egyptian pharaohs clearly show black Africans, never mind the fact that Cheikh Anta Diop, a Senegalese physicist demonstrated back in the 1970s that the skin structure of mummified Pharaohs was consistent with black African skin structure, which indeed can be distinguished from non-black African skin structure. It is a fallacy to assume that black Africans never left Africa unless forced to by “white” people. Black Africans populated the world. This is supported by the fact that the modern-day populations of New Guinea, and the islands of “Melanesia”, to name two groups, still look like black Africans today. Other groups of black people changed in appearance (for reasons we have yet to ascertain) and gave rise to different populations whom we today categorize into “races.” Why is it possible to accept the fact that black people crossed large bodies of water 40,000 years ago, but not to accept the fact that black Africans, who built the first high-technology empire in human history, had the technology to repeatedly visit and settle in Europe over the past 5,000 years? There is a reason that “Italians,” though not categorized as black, were not considered “white” in the USA in 1900. There is a reason that Italians are even today often referred to as “guineas:” three countries in Africa are named Guinea – and they all populated by black Africans. “New Guinea” was thus named by the “Spaniard” Yñigo Ortiz de Retez. Why? Because the people there looked a lot like the people in Guinea – like black Africans. There is a reason why in northern Italy even today, many of the predominantly yellow-haired, blue-eyed, light-skinned residents have a saying: “Africa begins at Rome.” (The French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, over three centuries after the completion of the Renconquista of Iberia, asserted an interesting variant: “Africa begins at the Pyrenees.”)
And if there is obviously a lot of black African blood amongst the “Italians” of today (and there is), then of course there were black “Romans.”
Res ipsa loquitur.
The Egyptians were not black, negroid or sub saharan.They were their own race.Not white, yet not balck either.Yes there was a bit of mixing with blacks I’m sure just as there is here in America.The Moors were a berber like people and had some black in their blood but it does not make them “black” They werea hybrid mix of black,Arabic and Iberians mostly of Arabic stock but definately a bit darker.I like blacks, I”m Italian and Spaniard.I actually love Black women, they are quite lovely
.There was blacks with status in Rome as proven by the frecos found in the Pompei excavations.Racism is a sign of weakness and fear…
If the Sahara was lush and green in the past?
The sub Saharan African, would have more ability
To mix with the people of Europe – North Africa.
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/oct/sahara-desert-savanna-climate
The question of Africans in the world community continues to be an issue. Sadly enough writers of modern and quasi middle ages history have continued to distort history. The distortion pervasive as it is, reflects serious lack of logic among a smaller portion of the anglo-ignoramous. Humans have always migrated for several reasons and will continue to do so. That said, idiots, wake up and move on!
Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America. A black man leading the “free world”. Now the most powerful man in the world is black. What an achievement! Let us all rejoice. Amen! May Allah be praised. Shalom, may Jesus be praised and all that…! Thats all folks..!!
half-white half-black you mean, and yeah only because basically every black person plus some percentage of whites voted for him because he would be known as “the 1st black president.”
TheRealTruth is majority of so called white scientists and anthropologists of the past are pseudo academics and liars concerned with covering up the truth. All the things they say when investigated are found out to be nothing but bullshit. Dividing the world into 3 main races – Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid was bullshit. That classification does not explain why there are people in southern africa who look like Chinese (or should I say why Chinese look like people from southern Africa) or why the Olmec heads exist prior to Colombus’ arrival to the Americas (who are blatant African heads), or why dark skinned people have blonde or reddish hair in Vanuata. Does not explain why Australians have African features but Indian hairl. Evolution did not happen the way those pseudo academics portray it. It did not happen in the way that there was black, then chinese then white << Absolute bullshit. The majority of the world arose due to mixing of people. Arabs are mixed race white and black. Whites are albino desis – genetic mutations. Has nothing to do with environment – as yet again evolution does not explain why the inuits/ eskimos in the antartic are dark but live in freezing conditions – yet so called europeans are white because they lived in a ‘cold’ climate. But which is colder – europe or arctic? Why are the inuits melinated but europeans arent? Because europeans are albinos. Their existance has nothing to do with enviroment. Even science says they were a melinated people who lost their melanin – but doesnt say which people they were before they turned white. But just ask yourself which group of people on earth look like whites – its southern Asians. People from India, bangladesh, sri lanka, pakistan. Have you ever seen an albino desi? They are identical to so called nordics – FACT!
Have to congratulate Richard and Jahday because they have knowledge. Majority of whites arent smart – all they do is propagate false bullshit fed to them by their delusional forefathers. Talking about there were no writing systems or civilisation in Africa, but when shown the evidence that those things did and do exist in Africa, what can they say? Talking about Africans could not count – discover the ishango bone. Africa had no wheel? LOL it was Europe who had no wheel. They even say the Iraqis brought the wheel to Europe. The same Iraqis they are bombing today. Thats how they show their gratitude to thoe who civilised them – kill them. Did the same to the Native Americans and Australians when they had taught them how to survive in a foreign environment. So what happened in Africa is no surprise. We are the foundations of civilisation – FACT; they know it and because they have made us look bad to the world they cannot accept the fact that we are the ones who they owe everything to. They cant humble themselves – but they will have to soon. Every lie told will be destroyed.
All of you should look within yourselves and seek help. After slavery, world wars and all the racial terrorrs both our black and white ancestors have endured U grown men and women still mask your insecurities by viciously insulting other races. Be very careful with words and actions your real enemy is your own prejudiced views not the colour of your neighbour.
We all no we have different variations of negroid people who are not exclusive to Africa. My wife is a lyte skinned lybian. u can call her white if ya wanna.
Africans are the orginal race of this world. Negroid black race people were spread all over the world that’s why our imprint is everywhere. America was once apart of africa and europe before the split so yes ther were negroid race people in America before so called Mongo races down from the north. The white race a johnny come lately, i wouldnt waste the energy responding to such inferiority. please they had to invent weapons of mass destruction before the came of of the europe to rule the work. And yes Lybians Ancient Romans are all Med. African race peoples even that dude truth bare witness to that. when he went on the internet a printed all the BS all the tribes that fool named had black blood idiot ever heard of hannibal the great. Jahdey stop fighting give em pictures of the cariving of the original Ngu Ngas of kemet and that should stop the fight. Its mot like your arguing over some fixated christ character who never existed these peoples left statues and writings and a ancestrial religious path for african peoples and peoples of all races to follow. I mean really what has the european invented in his time the most high has alloted him. Nothing but war and war technology massive war. i dont give a f what color ancient kings of kemet were but the facts is the religion that was venerated in ancient kemet was a religion that came out of the congo. and its a fact that the horus kings had to come from that area because the amazons of africa were sacred because of the stories of OST and AST. African people should stop tryin to be akin to everybody and claim there own history refine there own languages i mean how you gwon claim to be free when the Ori is enlaved. when we start loving whom we are an our own Ancestry we wont have to fight over who’s who..
Look at you all! Just look at yourselves! I can’t trust anything in history because everyone’s so pro-European and anti-African or pro-African and anti-European. You all try to claim this n that white people did this, black people did that, when in truth the groups classifications and so called ‘races’ of people back 2000 years ago would have been different to now. There were likely to have been ‘black’ romans or ‘mixed race’ romans. Oh but wait none of you tend to focus on the face that people actually are of mixed heritage. It isn’t something flipping new in the 20th Century! All you all want and have ever done is claim people of uncertain descent for youselves. The whites claim how ridiculous that people were of african origin, and the blacks claim all mixed race people in history as black people.
Some people you see today that you’d assume were ‘white’ actually have a ‘black’ grandparent, i.e are so called 1/4 black, but you wouldn’t tell immediately when looking at them. So it could very easily have been that there were black romans that settled in Britain many hundreds of years ago. Look at Brazil, South Africa etc just over a few hundred years there has become a new ‘look’ of people. in another 500 years we wouldn’t really be able to tell their ancestor but may be just classed as another racial group of people.
I want to learn the truth about African history and i belive a lot of it has been warped by racist Europeans and Arabs, but then when u hear some pro-african people going on about how black people invented everything, and europeans did nothing, and calling them white pink trash etc also makes yo wonder what’s credible that’s said of them.
In truth i will never know, but all i know is that history has been warped and people of african descent have been a part of history and other societies in the past. All people do is look at today’s culture and think naaah that couldn’t have happened, when it has.
Flabbergasted @ the vile vibes out there and depth of deluded fabrication. Love the cooling vibes of the sister.
The liar undermines the truth by bringing the truth into disrepute. Falsehood will be revealed and dismissed and is happening now.
All Peace and Love, life is a lesson for learning.
OneLove Blessnz
The Native people of England were Celt’s. The Celts were one of the White Tribes of Europe. Two thousand years ago, the Romans invaded England & they brought a bunch of Black Africans with them & they set about exterminating the White Britons, the White Britons fought with incredible courage, they had no fear of Death, but their style of warfare was fundamentally different to the Romans. The Celts were Manly fighters which liked to fight Man against Man, they possessed incredible courge, they fought naked & without armour, this made them easy targets for the Cowardly Roman Blacks, which only fought in legions all togather & covered in armour.
Whole Tribes of the Native White Celtic Britons were wiped out. Even Babies were butchered in their Mothers arms. The White Tribes which surrendered to the Roman multi Race society, were put in chains & turned into White slaves & worked to death in the tin & copper mines, even little Children were worked to Death. The Girls were enslaved Raped & turned into prostitutes.
But the White Tribes of Europe united against the Roman multi Race scum & brought their sick empier crashing to the ground & then the White Tribes of Europe came back into Briton & liberated it & drove out the foreign multi Race Roman/African invaders & reclaimed it for the White Tribes of Europe.
Then we lived in peace until another bunch of Multi Race supporters arived here a thousand years ago under a Cur by the name of Willem the Conquer, his Norman invasion was Bank rolled by Jews & between the Normans & their Jewish financers, they conquered the Saxons & the Celts in Britian & then then invaded Ireland & started a War between Britian & Ireland which lasted almost a thousand years. The Normans & Jewish invaders declared themselves to be Royalty of Britian & Ireland, they destroyed our White Celtic & Saxon Tribal culture. Thease parasites are the ones who are still ruling our land & Lording it over us. For the last thousand years they have used us as cannon fodder for their War games. World War 1 & World War 2 was a Genocide of the White Race. Hundreds of Millions of the cream of the White Race were wiped out & replaced by Blacks from the Caribbean & Africa & they are encouraging thease Blacks to Race Mix with our White Race, so that they can then call us a “Mongrel Nation” . They want our Beautiful White Race to become extinct, because they are jealous of us.
Exuse me, ive not read every comment, but there was one written by Mohammed, whom i dont know why blaimed rastafarians, when im pretty sure the BBC isnt handled by Rastafarians. But to get to the point, ALL humans are of black descent. The first men came from africa.
Any way, to all, who the fuck cares?
where all human.
Jah bless you all
and also, to the comment above, cowardly black legions?
i mean, what about all the colonial times when african tribes fought just like the celts but againts muskets?
still, why fight about this? its just a different scource…