Comments on: The Black Greeks — (by Prof. Clyde Winters) http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/ Rastafarian Views on Life, Politics and Social Issues Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:43:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: me http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24971 me Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:05:15 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24971 Greek dna related to ethiopian dna. Greek dna related to ethiopian dna.

]]> By: Richard http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24913 Richard Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:10:54 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24913 So-called “white” people today apparently are unable to recognize that a “black” foundation can be whitened in a relatively short time. Any smaller population can be absorbed by a substantially larger population in just a few generations. Thus a hypothetical smaller ORIGINAL population of black Africans could indeed be diluted (and/or killed) by the influx of a larger and LATER “white” population. So it is possible for the two following statements to seem contradictory, but to actually be complementary: 1) descendants of a smaller original black population absorbed by a larger later white population can millennia later be classified as “white”; 2) modern-day Greeks, though classified as “white,” have an original black foundation. In other words, an ancient black people can have “white” descendants. I think that the real unspoken issue is which group, original black or white newcomer, had the advanced civilization? Well, it had to be the original black inhabitants. Why? Because there is a well-documented trail of advanced architecture and other technological marvels that leads one back through time to black Africa. For instance, the pyramids of black Egypt were built approximately 2650 BC. Well, at that time there weren’t any Hellenic (Indo-European) Greeks even in Greece or Crete yet. But there was a “Minoan” civilization already in Crete by about 3000 BC (“white” scholars seem to have difficulty explaining who the “Minoans” were and where they came from). There is no trail of equally old “Hellenic” pyramids in leading from what we call Europe to Crete. How about megalithic structures that were designed to allow the sighting of particular stars and constellations that were built 6500 to 7000 years ago in what is now Nabta, in Egypt (see Nature 392:488-491 (1998)). Did Hellenic tribes even exist that long ago? Had “white” people even appeared? We do not know (it would be a good idea to find out), but even if “white” people had appeared, they were not building stone observatories to allow the marking of the seasons by the positions of specific stars. Clearly the trail of technology leads to Crete from the south – Africa. If this logic is insufficient, how about DNA analysis, from Arnaiz-Villena et al. (Tissue Antigens 53(3):213-226 (1999)), who looked at HLA antigens : “Our results indicate that the Indoeuropean Greeks may be considered as a Mediterranean population of a more recent origin (after 2000 B.C.), while all other studied Mediterraneans (including Cretans) belong to an older substratum which was present in the area since pre-Neolithic times.” That “older substratum” had to be black people. How can I say so? Well, if the logic of the trail of technology and the DNA evidence are not enough, we can look at the oldest skeletal remains of modern humans in what is called “Europe.” One can examine the skeletal remains of a human being and determine whether the skeleton belonged to a black person or not: certain features of the long bones (e.g., the femur) and the shape of the skull, particularly the structure and shape of the jaw and arrangement of teeth, are sufficient to declare that a skeleton was that of a black person. Fossilized skeletal remains were found in the Grimaldi caves in what is now southern France, and these remains are approximately 40,000 years old. These remains were examined about 100 years ago by European scientists and declared “Africoid.” The original inhabitants of what we call Europe would be categorized as black today. The sources of the trails of archaeology, molecular biology, technology, and basic human logic all converge in black Africa. No one denies that in the c. 3500 years since low-technology Hellenic tribes arrived in Crete and Greece and interbred with the existing higher-technology black population, that there could have been later additional admixtures of genetically distinct peoples to produce what people today call “white” people or, in the case of this discussion, “white” “Greek” people. Again, black people can have “white” descendants (for instance, there are plenty of "white" people in the US who have recent African ancestry; there are many reasons for this, but one common one is the phenomenon of "passing."). The problem is that so-called “white” people want to deny the existence of an original black African foundation (let alone subsequent and recent admixtures of African blood into “white” populations) for which there is ample evidence. So-called “white” people need to acknowledge that while they may refer to ancient Greece as the cradle of “Western” civilization, that cradle did not appear, like Athena from the head of Zeus, fully formed out of nothing. It was built on a previously existing black African foundation. The cradle of ALL civilization was black Africa. Is it so difficult to say that it stands to reason that the first people would naturally produce the first advanced civilizations, and that all others were built on that foundation? So-called “white” people today apparently are unable to recognize that a “black” foundation can be whitened in a relatively short time. Any smaller population can be absorbed by a substantially larger population in just a few generations. Thus a hypothetical smaller ORIGINAL population of black Africans could indeed be diluted (and/or killed) by the influx of a larger and LATER “white” population. So it is possible for the two following statements to seem contradictory, but to actually be complementary: 1) descendants of a smaller original black population absorbed by a larger later white population can millennia later be classified as “white”; 2) modern-day Greeks, though classified as “white,” have an original black foundation. In other words, an ancient black people can have “white” descendants. I think that the real unspoken issue is which group, original black or white newcomer, had the advanced civilization? Well, it had to be the original black inhabitants. Why? Because there is a well-documented trail of advanced architecture and other technological marvels that leads one back through time to black Africa. For instance, the pyramids of black Egypt were built approximately 2650 BC. Well, at that time there weren’t any Hellenic (Indo-European) Greeks even in Greece or Crete yet. But there was a “Minoan” civilization already in Crete by about 3000 BC (“white” scholars seem to have difficulty explaining who the “Minoans” were and where they came from). There is no trail of equally old “Hellenic” pyramids in leading from what we call Europe to Crete. How about megalithic structures that were designed to allow the sighting of particular stars and constellations that were built 6500 to 7000 years ago in what is now Nabta, in Egypt (see Nature 392:488-491 (1998)). Did Hellenic tribes even exist that long ago? Had “white” people even appeared? We do not know (it would be a good idea to find out), but even if “white” people had appeared, they were not building stone observatories to allow the marking of the seasons by the positions of specific stars. Clearly the trail of technology leads to Crete from the south – Africa. If this logic is insufficient, how about DNA analysis, from Arnaiz-Villena et al. (Tissue Antigens 53(3):213-226 (1999)), who looked at HLA antigens : “Our results indicate that the Indoeuropean Greeks may be considered as a Mediterranean population of a more recent origin (after 2000 B.C.), while all other studied Mediterraneans (including Cretans) belong to an older substratum which was present in the area since pre-Neolithic times.” That “older substratum” had to be black people. How can I say so? Well, if the logic of the trail of technology and the DNA evidence are not enough, we can look at the oldest skeletal remains of modern humans in what is called “Europe.” One can examine the skeletal remains of a human being and determine whether the skeleton belonged to a black person or not: certain features of the long bones (e.g., the femur) and the shape of the skull, particularly the structure and shape of the jaw and arrangement of teeth, are sufficient to declare that a skeleton was that of a black person. Fossilized skeletal remains were found in the Grimaldi caves in what is now southern France, and these remains are approximately 40,000 years old. These remains were examined about 100 years ago by European scientists and declared “Africoid.” The original inhabitants of what we call Europe would be categorized as black today. The sources of the trails of archaeology, molecular biology, technology, and basic human logic all converge in black Africa. No one denies that in the c. 3500 years since low-technology Hellenic tribes arrived in Crete and Greece and interbred with the existing higher-technology black population, that there could have been later additional admixtures of genetically distinct peoples to produce what people today call “white” people or, in the case of this discussion, “white” “Greek” people. Again, black people can have “white” descendants (for instance, there are plenty of “white” people in the US who have recent African ancestry; there are many reasons for this, but one common one is the phenomenon of “passing.”). The problem is that so-called “white” people want to deny the existence of an original black African foundation (let alone subsequent and recent admixtures of African blood into “white” populations) for which there is ample evidence. So-called “white” people need to acknowledge that while they may refer to ancient Greece as the cradle of “Western” civilization, that cradle did not appear, like Athena from the head of Zeus, fully formed out of nothing. It was built on a previously existing black African foundation. The cradle of ALL civilization was black Africa. Is it so difficult to say that it stands to reason that the first people would naturally produce the first advanced civilizations, and that all others were built on that foundation?

]]> By: Vi http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24836 Vi Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:22:01 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24836 my comment should said "it is really simple". "man has migrated all over the known worlld for eons upon eons" my comment should said “it is really simple”. “man has migrated all over the known worlld for eons upon eons”

]]> By: Vi http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24835 Vi Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:14:43 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-24835 How many of you people ever seen "White" dirt? Where is it written "To be African one must be born below the "Sahara"? It very that over the course of time "Man" has migrated al over the known world and along the way he has mixed,mixed,mixed and continues to mix. How do any of you think "America" became America. I belive that the "Europeans" left their native country to spread their oat to other places and mix with the people that was there before they came. This the nature of the beast. How many of you people ever seen “White” dirt? Where is it written “To be African one must be born below the “Sahara”? It very that over the course of time “Man” has migrated al over the known world and along the way he has mixed,mixed,mixed and continues to mix. How do any of you think “America” became America. I belive that the “Europeans” left their native country to spread their oat to other places and mix with the people that was there before they came. This the nature of the beast.

]]> By: Dave http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19319 Dave Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:59 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19319 I suggest you get your facts straight and stop spreading fallacies. Afrocentrics need to stop trying to steal European white cultures like Greece's that has nothing to do with black Africans just to make themselves feel better. Greeks have never been genetically black Africans, period. They have nothing in common with black Africans. Since ancient times and to this day black Africans are not the norm in Greece. A native Greek sees a black in Greece and knows right away the black person is not Greek but a foreigner. DNA analysis by scientists have proven that the percentage of Greeks who have Arabic genetic markers is less then 2%, tests have also revealed Greeks have less then .00000000000001% sub-Saharan African genetic markers. Studies done on the subject matter by Semino et al. [10] who studied DNA samples of Greeks from the whole region show that influences from the Middle East and North Africa in historical times are unlikely, and amount to something like less then 2% in total; in additional two specific haplogroups E and J which are frequent through out the European region, and can be used to detect population movements between Europe, Africa and the Near East, studies have found that less then 2.4% of Greeks belong in haplogroup E-M123 and 1.27% in E-M78. Clades of E prevalent in Northern or Sub-Saharan Africa were not found in any tested modern Greeks nor found in any DNA samples of ancient Greek skeleton remains. According to Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan peoples from the region including the Slavs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, etc cluster together and belong to a specific cluster group within a haplogroup that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans region and marks migrations from the Balkan areas, not into it. Haplogroup J which is also found through out Europe, is what most Greeks belong to J-M172 and its subclades which is associated with Neolithic population movements. (4) J-M172(xM12) distribution is consistent with a Caucasus/Anatolian dispersal route to southern & eastern Europe and may reflect the spread of Anatolian farmers; while (5) E-M78 and J-M12(M102) lineages would trace the subsequent diffusion of people from eastern Europe to the west. To put it in more simpler terms: thousands of Greeks gave DNA samples that were tested in seven studies, and out of that total only less then 0.1% are possible non-Caucasoid contribution to the Greek gene pool and 2% are of ME contributions. In other words Greeks have always been since ancient times closer related to the Caucasian peoples of the Balkans then any African/Semetic/Arabic or whatever other groups of people. The emerging picture of Y chromosome variation in Greece indicates genetic continuity, with slight influences from neighboring Caucasoid regions and virtually no influence from non-Caucasoids groups. The mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly mostly with comprehensive European- mtDNA caucasoid, with a total precentage of less then 1.6% which come from Mediterranean-Eastern, Asian, N. African. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry. I suggest you get your facts straight and stop spreading fallacies. Afrocentrics need to stop trying to steal European white cultures like Greece’s that has nothing to do with black Africans just to make themselves feel better. Greeks have never been genetically black Africans, period. They have nothing in common with black Africans.

Since ancient times and to this day black Africans are not the norm in Greece. A native Greek sees a black in Greece and knows right away the black person is not Greek but a foreigner. DNA analysis by scientists have proven that the percentage of Greeks who have Arabic genetic markers is less then 2%, tests have also revealed Greeks have less then .00000000000001% sub-Saharan African genetic markers. Studies done on the subject matter by Semino et al. [10] who studied DNA samples of Greeks from the whole region show that influences from the Middle East and North Africa in historical times are unlikely, and amount to something like less then 2% in total; in additional two specific haplogroups E and J which are frequent through out the European region, and can be used to detect population movements between Europe, Africa and the Near East, studies have found that less then 2.4% of Greeks belong in haplogroup E-M123 and 1.27% in E-M78. Clades of E prevalent in Northern or Sub-Saharan Africa were not found in any tested modern Greeks nor found in any DNA samples of ancient Greek skeleton remains. According to Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan peoples from the region including the Slavs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, etc cluster together and belong to a specific cluster group within a haplogroup that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans region and marks migrations from the Balkan areas, not into it. Haplogroup J which is also found through out Europe, is what most Greeks belong to J-M172 and its subclades which is associated with Neolithic population movements. (4) J-M172(xM12) distribution is consistent with a Caucasus/Anatolian dispersal route to southern & eastern Europe and may reflect the spread of Anatolian farmers; while (5) E-M78 and J-M12(M102) lineages would trace the subsequent diffusion of people from eastern Europe to the west. To put it in more simpler terms: thousands of Greeks gave DNA samples that were tested in seven studies, and out of that total only less then 0.1% are possible non-Caucasoid contribution to the Greek gene pool and 2% are of ME contributions. In other words Greeks have always been since ancient times closer related to the Caucasian peoples of the Balkans then any African/Semetic/Arabic or whatever other groups of people. The emerging picture of Y chromosome variation in Greece indicates genetic continuity, with slight influences from neighboring Caucasoid regions and virtually no influence from non-Caucasoids groups. The mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly mostly with comprehensive European- mtDNA caucasoid, with a total precentage of less then 1.6% which come from Mediterranean-Eastern, Asian, N. African. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.

]]> By: Jahdey http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19311 Jahdey Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:10:10 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19311 Dave Honestly, you do not sound like you have a college degree talkless of a PH.D. Many Greeks carry HBS haplogroup 19 from Nigeria Africa. They have also been sampled for Y haplogroups A, E3B, DE, etc. See our section on Nigerian Origin of Ancient Greeks and perhaps you will begin to see connections that you have failed to observe. The first Europeans were Blacks from Africa who cleared the land and planted the farms. They came into Europe via Spain, and the Levant carrying African culture and DNA. Until 6,000 years ago, Europe was a completely Black continent phenotypically wise. The gene that caused your pale skin has been demonstrated to have mutated about that time and actually became pre-dominant in Europe perhaps 2,000 years ago. The rest of the white "Europeans" you talk about are recent arrivals. They came in less than 1,600 years ago from the Steppes of Russia for instance: the germanic tribes who the Romans reported were on the move from Russian steepes into southern Europe about 4th century AD, the Russ, the Slavs, the teutons, the saxons, the vikings, the engels,...all relatively recent immigrants to Europe. When did those tribes arrive inot western and southern Europe? Please answer! So why do you make bold to falsify history like that? You better know your facts before you make unsustainable claims. Jahdey Dave

Honestly, you do not sound like you have a college degree talkless of a PH.D.

Many Greeks carry HBS haplogroup 19 from Nigeria Africa. They have also been sampled for Y haplogroups A, E3B, DE, etc. See our section on Nigerian Origin of Ancient Greeks and perhaps you will begin to see connections that you have failed to observe.

The first Europeans were Blacks from Africa who cleared the land and planted the farms. They came into Europe via Spain, and the Levant carrying African culture and DNA.

Until 6,000 years ago, Europe was a completely Black continent phenotypically wise. The gene that caused your pale skin has been demonstrated to have mutated about that time and actually became pre-dominant in Europe perhaps 2,000 years ago.

The rest of the white “Europeans” you talk about are recent arrivals. They came in less than 1,600 years ago from the Steppes of Russia for instance: the germanic tribes who the Romans reported were on the move from Russian steepes into southern Europe about 4th century AD, the Russ, the Slavs, the teutons, the saxons, the vikings, the engels,…all relatively recent immigrants to Europe.

When did those tribes arrive inot western and southern Europe? Please answer!

So why do you make bold to falsify history like that?

You better know your facts before you make unsustainable claims.

Jahdey

]]> By: Dave http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19310 Dave Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:00:43 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19310 Another thing Nikolaos if you were truely a Greek you would have known that the first people to call themselves European and the region they lived in EUROPE WERE THE GREEKS! Another thing Nikolaos if you were truely a Greek you would have known that the first people to call themselves European and the region they lived in EUROPE WERE THE GREEKS!

]]> By: Dave http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19309 Dave Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:53:40 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19309 Nikoloas you are full of it. I have been to Greece and have a PHD in Greek civilization which very clearly shows through their works that they were white Europeans not black Africans. Science and DNA analysis has revealed and reconfirm time and again that the Greek population since ancient time and into modner times was and stil IS WHITE EUROPEAN since Minoan times if not earlier. I question if you are truely a Greek, more then likely you are a Slav from FYROMian because no true Greek would seperate the Macedonians and Byzantines from other Greeks like you just did. Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, argued that the scientific limitations of Villena's methodology.[16] They stated that "Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.", making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as "anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups." No multiple-marker analysis has ever duplicated Arnaiz-Villena's results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[17]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[18] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[19])." Nature; MDS plot; Ayub et al. 2003 Nikoloas you are full of it. I have been to Greece and have a PHD in Greek civilization which very clearly shows through their works that they were white Europeans not black Africans. Science and DNA analysis has revealed and reconfirm time and again that the Greek population since ancient time and into modner times was and stil IS WHITE EUROPEAN since Minoan times if not earlier. I question if you are truely a Greek, more then likely you are a Slav from FYROMian because no true Greek would seperate the Macedonians and Byzantines from other Greeks like you just did. Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, argued that the scientific limitations of Villena’s methodology.[16] They stated that “Using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics.”, making specific allusion to the findings on Greeks (among others) as “anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups.” No multiple-marker analysis has ever duplicated Arnaiz-Villena’s results. In The History and Geography of Human Genes (Princeton, 1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza grouped Greeks with other European populations based on 120 loci (view MDS plot[17]). Then, Ayub et al. 2003[18] did the same thing using 182 loci (view dendrogram[19]).” Nature; MDS plot; Ayub et al. 2003

]]> By: Don Jaide http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19301 Don Jaide Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:02:05 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19301 Ras Nikolaos Jah bless you Rastaman, for the courage and intelligence to discern the real truth. One love Don Jaide Ras Nikolaos

Jah bless you Rastaman, for the courage and intelligence to discern the real truth.

One love

Don Jaide

]]> By: Ras Nikolaos http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19285 Ras Nikolaos Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:43:43 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/06/29/the-black-greeks-by-prof-clyde-winters/#comment-19285 Actually, my heritage is Greek, I've studied Greek history extensively. I've also visited Greece, especially Crete where the Minoan and Mycennean civilizations where located. Those people where black. The words of the historians and mythmakers, the images on the pottery, it was all settled by Egyptians. Which is also how it is told in the book of Genesis, with Minoans called Caphtorim and Mycenneans called Casluhim, I believe. These where sons of Mizraim (Egypt), a son of Ham, brother of Kush. Greece was later overrun by Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, and 400 years of brutal war with the Turks, before becoming free in 1930. Free Greek civilization has always been allied with Ethiopia and Egypt, trading royal dynasties, sciences, medicines, philosophy, stories and art: culture. His Imperial Majesty wrote and quoted at great length about the ancient and modern connections between Greece and Ethiopia in HIM autobiography. The architectural and anthropological evidence is there, the Biblical, the Prophetical, the mythological/psychological, even the genetic evidence is there in Mitochondrial DNA sequences. These tests and programs can trace back the genetic ancestry of a population--they all eventually point back to Africa: the Greek's often and in great degree. Don't try and slam the man's well-reasoned article with that half-assed WASP-ey sounding shit. (I bet you'll say it was the Pilgrims!) I hate to break it to you, but "Europe", or that little peninsula of Eurasia we like to pretend is it's own continent, has often been dominated by African peoples and civilizations, and for long periods of it's history. Get over it and maybe you'll learn more about yourself. Actually, my heritage is Greek, I’ve studied Greek history extensively. I’ve also visited Greece, especially Crete where the Minoan and Mycennean civilizations where located. Those people where black. The words of the historians and mythmakers, the images on the pottery, it was all settled by Egyptians. Which is also how it is told in the book of Genesis, with Minoans called Caphtorim and Mycenneans called Casluhim, I believe. These where sons of Mizraim (Egypt), a son of Ham, brother of Kush.

Greece was later overrun by Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, and 400 years of brutal war with the Turks, before becoming free in 1930.

Free Greek civilization has always been allied with Ethiopia and Egypt, trading royal dynasties, sciences, medicines, philosophy, stories and art: culture.

His Imperial Majesty wrote and quoted at great length about the ancient and modern connections between Greece and Ethiopia in HIM autobiography.

The architectural and anthropological evidence is there, the Biblical, the Prophetical, the mythological/psychological, even the genetic evidence is there in Mitochondrial DNA sequences. These tests and programs can trace back the genetic ancestry of a population–they all eventually point back to Africa: the Greek’s often and in great degree.

Don’t try and slam the man’s well-reasoned article with that half-assed WASP-ey sounding shit. (I bet you’ll say it was the Pilgrims!)

I hate to break it to you, but “Europe”, or that little peninsula of Eurasia we like to pretend is it’s own continent, has often been dominated by African peoples and civilizations, and for long periods of it’s history. Get over it and maybe you’ll learn more about yourself.

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