The First Chinese
By Dr. Clyde Winters
Edited by Ogu-Eji-Ofo-Annu
It can be reasonably assumed that the first inhabitants of the chinese mainland were Black Brown Africans from East, West and Central regions of Africa given that the earliest human skeletal remains in China are of “Negro” (or “Negritos†a psuedo-scientific term commonly used today) people. The next oldest skeletal type after the period of predominance of the African immigrants were the Classical Mongoloids or Austronesian speakers.
Archaeological research makes it clear that “Negroids” (read: Central African skeletal types) were very common to ancient China. F. Weidenreich in Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13, (1938-30) noted that the one of the earliest skulls from north China found in the Upper Cave of Chou-k’ou-tien, was of a Oceanic Negroid/ Melanesoid ” (p.163). This is the so-called Peking Man. This would place people in China during the Mesolithic looking like African/Negro people , not native American.
These Blacks were the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China (1986) wrote that:” by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively….”(p.64). By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan (Chang, 1986, p.69).
Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch’ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases (see: K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k’ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes spread out from the North to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization.
Many researchers believe that the Yi of Southern China were the ancestors of the Austronesian, Polynesian and Melanesian people.
In the Chinese literature the Blacks were called li-min, Kunlung, Ch’iang (Qiang), Yi and Yueh. The founders of the Xia Dynasty and the Shang Dynasties were blacks. These blacks were called Yueh and Qiang. The modern Chinese are descendants of the Zhou. The second Shang Dynasty (situated at Anyang) was founded by the Yin. As a result this dynasty is called Shang-Yin.
The Yin or Classical/Oceanic Mongoloid type is associated with the Austronesian speakers ( Kwang-chih Chang, “Prehistoric and early historic culture horizons and traditions in South China”, Current Anthropology, 5 (1964) pp.359-375 :375). Djehuti your Austronesian or Oceanic ancestors were referred to in the Chinese literature as Yin, Feng, Yen, Zhiu Yi and Lun Yi.
It is not clear that contemporary European and Chinese people are descendants of the original Black population which lived in Europe and Asia; neither is it clear that the Chinese are descendants of the Austronesian speaking people.
Textual evidence and the skeletal record seem to indicate that contemporary Chinese and European people come out of nowhere after 1500 BC, the European Sea People came from the North and attacked Egypt, and the Chinese (Hua) people came from the North and ran the Black Qiang and Yueh tribes, along with the Austronesian Yin (classical mongoloid or Austronesian speakers) off the Chinese mainland back into Southeast Asia or on to the Pacific Islands.
Peking man was mongoloid. He had mongoloid features that has been established. That is strong evidence for Chinese people being in China for a very very long time.
Stop trying to claim the great Ancient Chinese civilisations as Black African when it is not. The Shang dynasty was great for its time and you are trying to portray that Black African people had laid down the Chinese foundations when it is in fact Chinese people and not black people. Are you giving credit to Black African people inventing Chinese writing? Please. Those people of that time could have been quite dark but not negroid and not straight from Africa.
I actually find Afrocentrism to be racist, full of lies and work of pseudo-scholarship and pseudo-science.
All of China’s Ancient history is claimed to be Chinese. It is Chinese people’s heritage and history and not African history! Oh darn what am I wasting my time on you losers desperate to claim everything good that is not yours. I’m on a Rasta website!
You need to do your research and look at the archeological facts. Also mature intelligent adults don’t go around saying how people are losers. I care about people and I don’t think Chinese, Black or White people are losers.
Letitcome argues:
“Peking man was mongoloid. He had mongoloid features that has been established. That is strong evidence for Chinese people being in China for a very very long time.”
Jahdey responds: Could you kindly cite two peer reviewed sources for this claim respecting the morphology of the Peking man.
Letitcome rants on: “Stop trying to claim the great Ancient Chinese civilisations as Black African when it is not. The Shang dynasty was great for its time and you are trying to portray that Black African people had laid down the Chinese foundations when it is in fact Chinese people and not black people.”
Jahdey responds: Sources please…citations not wild barbaric rantings… Have you heard of Prof Jin Li a Chinese Professor who recently provided genetic and skeletal evidence of the African origin of the Chinese?
Rasta Livewire: Ancient Black Chinese from East Africa (by Prof. Jin Li)
Letitcome totally flips now: “Those people of that time could have been quite dark but not negroid and not straight from Africa.”
Jahdey responds: No matter where you come from as long as your skin is black…you are African. Africa is the original home of all the world’s black people because Africa was the first continent where the black people appeared so long ago before they left to populate other parts of the earth… Letitcome or whatever it calls itself appears to have the well known pale people’s disease…negrophobia. However, Negroid is a creation of Europe since black Africans existed before that term was coined by some Spaniard pirate. Letitcome, if negro is your bogeyman, that is not our problem, that is a problem for you and your piratical European ancestors since they created the negro class and its attendant phobia. But yes, the first Chinese were black people from Africa.
Rasta Livewire: The Black African Foundaton of China – Honouring the Aboriginal Black People of China
Letitcome foams in the mouth: “I actually find Afrocentrism to be racist, full of lies and work of pseudo-scholarship and pseudo-science.”
Jahdey responds: Your opinion is irrelevant since you rant garbage and silliness like all the other half educated, ignorant red necks who howl at the moon in their moments of lunacy. You need a pyschoanalyst not a Rastaman!
Letitman is whining like a canine now: “All of China’s Ancient history is claimed to be Chinese. It is Chinese people’s heritage and history and not African history!”
Jahdey responds: Go read through some proper library littleman. There are enough books out there to bring your historical knowledge up to standard.
Letitman is now greenish purple with envious malice: “Oh darn what am I wasting my time on you losers desperate to claim everything good that is not yours. I’m on a Rasta website!”
Jahdey responds: And where did you think that your devil brought you to anyway? Some redneck corner? No sir, this is Rasta Livewire. Fools get roasted here…we are electric.
Go..go on then to some KKK website where you can spew all your venomous gall imbued by your physical and mental inadequacy. Go roll in the gutter then, with swines like youself, eating the pigswill of ignorance and irrationality. But the inexorable movement of this historic revolution in cognition will surely grind you and your likes into the dust of history.
Remember!
Jahdey
Hah! Such a typical response that I would get from people like you. If I stand up against the lies and fallacies and fabrication and poor scholarship and twisted logic of Afrocentrism I get called a racist! What a pathetic little come back. Of course that is what is to be expected I’m on a Rasta website!
Those lying racist Afrocentrist websites and books dear respectable Mr Jahdey mixed maybe some truth in a huge error and they are also grossly inaccurate and they do lie so that it can make feel good history for Black Supremacists. Yes I have read what you have given me even though they were biased in reporting the story. The report about Chinese people DNA said that Chinese people DNA had a gene that connected them with East Africa from like over 100 000 years ago. It’s like over 100000 years ago! It could be useful info to say where the origin of mankind came from. A lot of people would know about the theory about that all man came from Africa so what the big deal? We all know the theory that back then some people migrated to other parts of the world, there was great climate change all over the world over periods of time and they evolved and adapted to their environment.
What so everyone (even White Europeans) is Black African now because of the “out of Africa” theory? I’m sorry but that is not true and you know it. And Peking man is still real he was mongoloid and was there a very very long time ago.
And Africa isn’t just a home for Black people have you heard of the Berbers? They are caucasian people who are native to Africa!
Yes if you are of Black African descent you are from Africa. Europeans and Asians are not. But if you are going to use the “out of Africa” theory then EVERYBODY is African.
You do know that the determination of somebody’s race does not just depend on skin color but other physical features and DNA? The Aboriginal people of Australia who have the same skin tone of most Black people are Australoid and have more in common with caucasoid people than negroid people!
I think that Afrocentrist exploit the “out of Africa” theory a lot (and think a sun tan=Black African) so that they can claim good Ancient history from other parts of the world as their own and to assist with their Black Supremacy agenda. They go so far as putting out gross inaccuracies, fallacies and twisting things.
I have read some Afrocentric websites and am appalled at their inaccuracies. I decided to do some research for myself and looked at good, professional, OBJECTIVE sources and found out proper information. Afrocentrism is so subjective and their agenda is clear as crystal. They are so deceptive and racist.
I have nothing but respect for Black African people, I truly do mean it when I say that. We are fellow human beings but lying Afrocentrism is not good for anyone because we deserve to know the whole truth.
Littleman
Citations pleaseee. If you have no sources to back you up then just shut up and stop being obnoxious. We have no further time to waste with silly trolls. Provide us with some logical and scientific arguments backed by peer reviewed papers or just cease that noisy yapping and go play with those of your sort.
Jahdey
why are you pairing up with the europeans you think you are white? the white people dont care about you. Chinese people are the little black people. If not explain how your existence came about?letitcome!
Jahdey, you’re the one being obnoxious, here. You are full of hate.
love by the buffalo, why are you trying to make this an “us vs. them” affair? Extremism and duality are bad things.
This is love by the buffalo, I am not an extremist and I do support duelism, when it’s appropriate. The time now! is to realize it’s colored people including yourself, against the White man. Not by violence but by unity, all people of color should stick together. As soon as you accept your African ancestry you will begin to understand why it is so important to identify who you are. I hope someday you will be proud of who you are,”the little black people”.
Why is it so hard to believe that Black People are the foundation of all nationalities. Why is it when Black People began to embrace and honor their history, everyone hates it? They are called Racist. Yet, racism is forced on them on the daily basis. You’ll can have all the facts in front of you and still won’t believe it.
THERE ARE AFRICANS EVERY WERE WE LOOK WE JUST DONT LIKE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE IN AFRICA,BUT I THOUGHT THE FIRST PEOPLE WAS NATIVE AMERICANS ON EARTH. BUT I HEARD FROM MY MOTHER “LOVE BY THE BUFFALO” THAT WHITE PEOPLE WAS A MUTATION RACE MADE FROM AN AFRICAN SCIENTIST. CAN ANYBODY TOP THIS?
THIS IS LONE WOLF ONCE AGAIN IM SORRY FOR WHAT I HAVE PUT UP THERE, I WAS I A RUSH WITHOUT THINKING. SO EXCUSE ME. BY THE WAY, WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WAS THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE A MUTATED RACE FROM AN AFRICAN SCIENTIST.NOW CAN YOU TOP THIS?
It is a terrible thing when someone speaks the “truth” how many negative responses one gets. The information is on the information highway. The source of this information is provided not only by “black” people, but also by “white” people who have scientifically proven that all humans beings derived from the “dark skinned,” “brown skinned,” “black,” “maroon,” whatever you want to call it, human being. I will give you to sources and of course there are many others. One is “The Real Eve,” and the other is “The Journey of Man.” You can also find out about your own DNA through a genetic project that you can participate in on the National Geographic Official Website. You don’t have to believe this “Rasta,” man if you don’t want to. All you have to do is find out the FACTS through DNA of living people and the bones of our ancestors. All human beings derive from each other. It is the melanin that gives you derivatives of color and the mutation gene of those who lack color. STOP being ridiculous and check out the FACTS, not your STUPID beliefs.
Correction in my paragraph, I meant “two” sources.
Why has this info not been taught to us in schools. What can be done to get this info to our children. This is a “must know” for our society, due to the fact that history is not partial to the negroid conscience. Where can I get more books and information on this subject matter.
the chinese should be leary of the white man because he detroyed there way of life there emporoir and know there comunist and thats a corupted form of african communalism remember the boxer wars forced drug addiction of china read zoa say tong.
the whites would have us believe that they just happen to spring up in the med.with all there wisdom and know how . where did all there know how come from ? pray tell! certainly not from the north of the med area. they were all living in caves. ancient black kemmit is only place the greeks could have got all there learning quite simply because ancient kemmit pre dates them! what ancient kemmit got there wisdom and know from the greeks?You white revisionist have got to wake up . the gane is over because most black have woke up your preaching to the preacher now!
“black kemmit is only place the greeks could have got all there learning quite simply because ancient kemmit pre dates them! what ancient kemmit got there wisdom and know from the greeks”
If that is so, where are the correlations between Greek culture, education, mythology etc and Egyptian (or “Kemetian”) culture, education, mythology etc? We must also remember that the Greeks “hellenized” Egyptian culture in their texts, interpreting it through a Grecian, as opposed to an Egyptian, mindset. oh, and can we please ‘not’ resort to the “Teh Youropeeans wuz in cavez” myth? Unless you accept the fact that, just as the “celts” I presume you are referring to livde in villages, so too did most, if not all, non-Egyptian Africans.
Link with more information.
http://www.martinlutherking.org/not-out-africa.html
“the chinese should be leary of the white man because he detroyed there way of life there emporoir and know there comunist and thats a corupted form of african communalism remember the boxer wars forced drug addiction of china read zoa say tong.”
So..you’d prefer the Chinese to be living under tyrannical dynasties of “Emperors” than under a Communist system? I mean, both are bad but that’s just stupid. Oh, and “drug use” was widespread “before” the Boxer Rebellion, which was actually a revolt against “European interests” in China. Lastly, it didn’t come from “African communalism”, Communism came from “Primitive communism”, or the Communism existing with the early hunter-gatherer tribes.
in reply to jypshun mass.i understand your warped view of history most whites are just as much a victim of the revisionist as black are . that is one of the primary problem with race relationships today . blacks
do not want to be greater than anyone nor lesser. we just want to have the historical truth told. the point is the kemet culture was the spring board for the greek culture. ” hellenized” is a evasive way of saying “borrowed” if i borrow something it belongs to the lender as far as the correlations of culture,education , and mythology. the pillar of the greek temples are an obvious similarity to kemet temples . and any one that has done a little study can tell that the ancient greeks travaled to kemmit for their education. if you truly want to know the truth read “STOLEN LEGACY” BY GEORGE JAMES. GREEK MYTHOLOGYS are appellations of kemmit mythology. blacks in caves in africa don”t deserve a reply.
“in reply to jypshun mass.i understand your warped view of history most whites are just as much a victim of the revisionist as black are . that is one of the primary problem with race relationships today .”
Maturity in droves here:
And I, as ‘suscestible’ to immaturity as most here, would consider Afrocentrism to be the most “warped” “historical school of thought” out there: If Africa is indeed the “powerhouse of the world”, why are you intent on proving that “Every famous person/race/civilisation was black”?
“do not want to be greater than anyone nor lesser. we just want to have the historical truth told. the point is the kemet culture was the spring board for the greek culture. ”
I would ask again that you visit that link as, unlike you, I have provided evidence. And no, you seem to have “issues” with your past as you seem intent on “claiming” the history of other nations as your own.
“hellenized†is a evasive way of saying “borrowed†if i borrow something it belongs to the lender as far as the correlations of culture,education , and mythology. the pillar of the greek temples are an obvious similarity to kemet temples”
No, you are quite intent on missing the point: The Greeks “hellenized” Ancient Egpyt: That is, viewing Egyptian myth, culture etc through a Greek mindset. It’s similiar to declaring an African tribal god to be a “corrupted rendering” of a Biblical character, such as Goliath. Oh, and Vitruvius, an ancient Roman writer begs to differ: And before you ask, I’ll take the word of the people that ‘actually’ had access to the scripts than an “armchair historian” such as yourself. And so what if there’s a correlation? The Persians built columns as well: Does that mean they learnt it from Egypt? If the Native Americans learnt how to skin animals, and Europeans learnt how to skin animals, does that mean the Europeans ‘taught’ the Native Americans it?
“and any one that has done a little study can tell that the ancient greeks travaled to kemmit for their education.”
Read the link I posted: NONE OF THE FAMOUS GREEK WRITERS EVER MENTIONED VISITING, OR LEARNING IN, EGYPT!
“GREEK MYTHOLOGYS are appellations of kemmit mythology.”
Where? Is Set supposed to be Hades? Amon supposed to be Zeus?
“blacks in caves in africa donâ€t deserve a reply.”
Typical response:
“I can say that whites are baby-raping, cave dwelling degenerates, but hell to anyone else that says the reverse about Africans!”
But honestly – how was the rest of Africa going when Egypt/Meroe/Kush was at its height?
tne negro loves to make claims like this, like being the earliest human is an accomplishment, what they don’t understand is that with evolution, being the latest much better then being the earliest. why is it that the oldest race is the least advanced? the negro civilization has flatlined for the last 100,000+ years,without a single advancement traceable to the negroid, not even the wheel! the only changes coming from contact with arabs and caucasians, so give the negroid the title of “earliest homosapien”, this is one time I’m very happy to be last!
dick scott wrote: “kemmit is only place the greeks could have got all there learning quite simply because ancient kemmit pre dates them! what ancient kemmit got there wisdom and know from the greeks?”
negro logic at it’s finest!
so greeks/caucasians “stole” all their wisdom/culture/civilization from the negroid? so what happend to the negroid? stealing knowledge is not like stealing a car from someone, if this myth were true, why did the negroid not continue advancing like the caucasians? you do not “lose” knowledge, it cannot be “stolen” it is inate. If this negro myth were even partially true, negroid africa, with it’s 100,000 year headstart should be the center of modern human civilization, instead, negroid africa is the most primative, living as they did 50,000 years ago. are there any caucasian tribes running around naked, living in dung and straw huts and eating termites?.
The fact is, the negroid brought down the egyptian civilization.
egyptions are from the caucasian lineage, they used the negroid as slaves, the negroid then overwhelmed the egyptians, and it was all down hill from there.
you can see the same pattern repeated in the usa. where ever the negroid has been, civilization comes to a standstill, then regresses. look at rhodesia/zimbabwe and south africa as evidence
Australoid are the most archaic living race today as they have retained the cranio-facial features of our remote ancestors the most finely, and ironically they are also the least genetically related to negroids who also happen to have the same skin tone as them. Australoids at their apex morphology have the most extreme archaemorphic traits such as the most extreme prognathism and browridges of all living humans and archaic facial/skull structure. No offense, but they are probably the least related to Negroids of all ppl and at least no more related to one as a Chinese or Japanese. That’s just the facts!
Shang Lu
Please provide some authority for your position just like the good Prof. Clyde Winters has done. If you can not then go read the authorities cited by the good Prof so that you can grow up.
Thanks
DJ
where did native americans come from?
repled to Darwin charles
Listen first of all ancient africa is the birth place of mankind, they dont need to modernize africa, and it’s people, because they need to preserve the birthplace of civilization. The reason why white people know so much about science and tecnology is because africa has done a sgreat job in preserving the history of the birthplace of mankind. Africa is the one that started tecnology it’s only fare that the white man advances the tecnology. The white man has stolen everything that there is to steal with their conquering of people(slavery) to the conquering of territories. And with them taking credit for tecnology from the worlds first people, I’ll say this, all good things old and new can be accreditted back to it’s originator(africans).
Peking Man is a homo-erectus, so whether one thinks he has “negroid” or “mongoloid” features is irrelevant. The very scientist whose name you invoke, Jin Li, has ruled out that modern Chinese are descended from Peking Man. Jin Li’s research simply confirms the out of Africa theory, it has nothing to do with black Africans actually founding the Xia or Shang dynasties. Yes, we all came from Africa, so I suppose you could argue that Africans founded every civilization, since all homo sapiens are ultimately from Africa, but that is quite different from your claim that black Africans founded our early dynasties.
Sirs/Madams:
I find the view of Dr. Clyde Winters to be bizarre in the extreme as regards the origins of the Austronesians. The Austronesian-speaking ancestors of most of today’s Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Hawaiians, Samoans, Fijians, etc. were neither Han Chinese nor Black African. They sprang from a neolithic culture originally from South China-Taiwan. South China, incidentally, is the ancient cradle of numerous other nations who have millions of descendants today (Thai, Khmer and Vietnamese among them). Again, their forbears were neither Han Chinese nor Black Afican.
Of course, the ancesors of all modern human populations came out of Africa in the distant past. But whoever those venerable ancestors may have been, none of the peoples they gave rise to over tens of thousands of years in East Asia can even remotely be considered Black African.
Finally, there are people of dark and black skin in Southeast Asia, Australasia and the Pacific, mainly the Andamese in the Indian Ocean, the Negrito/Aeta in the Philippines and Malaysia, the Papuan peoples in Papua New Guinea and Melanesia, and the Australoids in Australia. These are truly ancient peoples, who arrived in their homelands millennia before the Austronesians came on the scene. However, they are genetically and linguistacally very distant from any existing Black African population. Through millennia of intermarraige, moreover, they have become closer to their Austronesian neighbors.
Please read Peter Bellwood, Stephen Oppenheimer, and many others on the Austronesians.
Thank you.
Marcelo
You find the article bizzare because you have limited knowledge of the Austronesian-speaking ancestors of most of today’s Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Hawaiians, Samoans, Fijians. You need to read more, research more, develope your mind, ask more questions and conduct independent analysis to arrive at objective truth.
But, by your insolent hog-wash about “Black” Africans I believe you are a Pinkoid (aka Pale-Pink coloured person). Why do I say so? Because only some Right Wing Pinkoid Nut or a zombie they produced would have the gall to contest the history of African Fijians.
Now Learn:
by Peta Young
Fiji, an island archipelago in the Pacific Ocean in the southern tropics is a holiday paradise It has the honor of being the first place on Earth to welcome the new day. It lies longitudinally on the 180th meridian, the International Date Line, which makes a special bend eastwards around the island group so that Fijians will all keep the same time. Fiji is twelve hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time.
3,500 years ago, natives from Tanganyika in East Africa arrived from the south-west, and from the north-east, Polynesians and Melanesians paddled their canoes to Fiji to settle in this new land. The natives gradually scattered across the country forming village groups throughout the islands. Until 150 years ago, warring and cannibalism among these early settlers was quite common. But when the first missionaries arrived in 1840 and introduced Christianity, the Fijians were transformed into the gentle, peace-loving devout Christians that we know today.
Of the 330 Fijian islands, only 106 are inhabited. Most of the population of just under one million live on the largest island, Vita Levu. Fiji islanders and Fiji-Indians are the main inhabitants while other islanders, Chinese and Europeans are in the minority. Fiji is a developing country with abundant forest, mineral and fish resources and a thriving sugar industry. Tourism is growing with approximately 350,000 visitors annually. Many come especially to dive among the beautiful coral reefs that surround each island.
The recent military coup has adversely affected Fiji’s business economy and the European Union has suspended all aid until the next elections. This has resulted in a drastic down-turn in the building industry because of a lack of available funds. The economy of Fiji is severely depressed with 25% of the people living below the poverty line.
The Fiji-Indians are the businessmen and the towns and city streets are lined with all manner of shops and businesses almost all owned by the Indians. Each town has at least one market place where tourists can have fun bartering for items on sale. The wide variety of stalls offer local fruit and vegetables, wonderful exotic spices like turmeric, ginger, cardamom and chillies, sulis, sarongs, colorful shirts, hand made arts and crafts, beads, pearls, shells, plus many more delights it is almost impossible to visit the market place and come away empty handed.
While the Fiji-Indians are relatively prosperous, the Fijian natives are a family-oriented community who live mainly in villages. They live a hunter/gatherer lifestyle, with the villagers helping each other. They grow their own fruit and vegetables and keep chickens, goats and cows for eggs, milk and meat. They are practically self-sufficient for their day-to-day sustenance This style of community living is all-encompassing, with each family member from the oldest to the youngest being treated as a person of worth. Many Fijians are employed in the luxury tourist resorts, sugar mills, and other laboring jobs where they work for just $1 – $2 an hour.
A visit to Fiji is a step back in time there are no high-rise buildings, crowds, commercialism, fast cars (there is an 80kph speed limit), in fact, it’s as if you have entered a time warp from the 1970s. The pace is slower Fiji time’. That is how things are done here no hurry, so just settle back and enjoy your Fijian holiday. Bula!
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More lectures for the young developing mind of Marcelo and similarly challenged wannabe scholars:
(1) Fijians believe that they originated from the shores of Lake Tanganyika (“fish bag” in Fijian) situated on the western border of Tanganyika (East Africa). Fable records that Lutunasobasoba, a powerful chief and navigator, guided his people in their huge ocean going canoes to their final landing place at Vuda (our source) on Viti Levu’s western coast near Ba. Interestingly, one of the largest coastal river systems in Tanganyika (now Tanzania) is the Rufiji – made famous by the German Cruiser, the SMS Konigsberg, and von Lettow Vorbeck, the German General who kept the British Allies on the run throughout World War One.
(2)Finally, our limited genetic data from Tanzanians belonging to haplogroups M1, N1, and J suggest 2 alternatives that are not mutually exclusive. Populations in Tanzania may have been important in the migration of modern humans from Africa to other regions, as noted in previous studies of other populations in eastern Africa (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999). For example, mtDNAs of Tanzanians belonging to haplogroup M1 cluster with peoples from Oceania, whereas Tanzanian mtDNAs belonging to haplogroup N1 and J cluster with peoples of Middle Eastern and Eurasian origin. However, the presence of haplogroups N1 and J in Tanzania suggest “back” migration from the Middle East or Eurasia into eastern Africa, which has been inferred from previous studies of other populations in eastern Africa (Kivisild et al. 2004). These results are intriguing and suggest that the role of Tanzanians in the migration of modern humans within and out of Africa should be analyzed in greater detail after more extensive data collection, particularly from analysis of Y-, X-, and autosomal chromosome markers. Our analyses of African mtDNAs suggest populations in eastern Africa have played an important and persistent role in the origin and diversification of modern humans.
Gonder et al., 2006
I trust this helps Marcelo:
African Philipines http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/index.php?s=black+philipines+
African China http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-forgotten-people-by-lauren-k-clark/
African China http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ancient-black-chinese-from-east-africa-by-prof-jin-li-2/
African Taiwan http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-african-foundation-of-china-honouring-the-aboriginal-black-people-of-china/
The facts are that all homo sapiens came out of the region of the world now called Africa. Why are we still so focused on race? The genetic differences between races are so negligible as to me laughable. We are one. Human beings, full stop!
Our focus should be to eliminate negative belief systems which divide us like religions and belief in the supernatural. I have a blog where I talk more about this from my perspective as a black british woman. You are free to dis/agree.
In the words of Bill Cosby – ‘Come on People’ – wake up!
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oh please gimme a break, don’t equate chinese to africans please.
anyway the genetics study already show that everyone came from african right ?
why try to claim ?
The fanaticism with which the yellow man tries to run away from any connection with the blackman in order to cleave to the white man is proof positive that black leaders need to cease getting in between conflict involving these two parties. Black people spend a lot of political capital supporting the positions of yellow and brown in their conflicts with white, with no reciprocity from these groups. And too often we discover that they can be even more vituperative in their anti black prejudice than the very whites we condemn.
Let them fight their own battles and concentrate on ours. They are never there for us anyway.
I’d like to reiterate a fundamental point that seems to be passed over- Peking man was a homo erectus, NOT a homo sapien. That is, a completely different species. Jin Li, the Chinese scientist cited here, supports the “out of Africa” theory, and denies that modern Chinese could have evolved out of Peking man. Dr. Winters does not acknowledge these facts, which is enough to dismiss his argument.
The multi-region theory is more suitable , remember the ‘mungo man’ look it up.
I feel like this, if you all agree on the bible; well we are all related to one another. Because we all come from Adam and Eve etc.. Garden of Eden, I feel is somewhere in the East African region around the red sea area, just because of what the bible says. Speaking of Havilah and the land of Kush.
Plus, I’m not sure if anyone agrees on the Pangea Theory “where all the continents were once connected.” Well, what if the little islands west of india that inhabit african looking people broke off from the continent of Africa if that makes sense. We have all these continents and terriotories that suggest it’s part of Asia just because of where it is located but to me obviously broke off of Africa. Than there is the Eastern part of S. America or the Afro-Latino population of Mexico and other countries in that area. All, I’m saying it’s possible.
Also, the reason why blacks are so into figuring out the ancestry because they have the right. But because many many generations ago, our ancestors were taught they will never amount to anything, therefore, leading to nothing; so now that we are doing all this research and discovering, hey, what if my ancestors were israelites, what if my ancestors were Egyptians or Ethiopians, or even Asian, the thing is feeling this way is not racist, it’s just searching for identity that was not giving to us as in our last names are really not ours.
Africans in Ancient China by Marc Washington
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Hi, this is interesting. However, I believe the website has misconstrued evidence. For one thing, Washington quotes that the busts/head statues “resemble” Black Africans. That is an exaggeration. Taking a subjective approach to the issue, the statues appear more Asian than African. The eyes, nose, and mouth are appear more Asian than African. Even the god Dian appear more Asian with the flat broad nose, flat face, and the line for a mouth.
The problem is is that this is only a subjective approach. You need more DNA studies to make your theory valid, and you need reliable sources that mention this.
Washington does not do that. He quotes a piece but then he adds his opinion about the “origins of Chinese” in such a way that makes his scientific citations appear to say and support his opinion. Also, similarities between civilizations are usually coincidental. It does not necessarily mean that one civilizatin and its people gave rise to another.
Although interesting overall, the theory that Black Africans is base more on “belief” than actual forensic evidence. For this theory to be more valid, proper quotations must be used and appropriate evidence must be found.
Please do not say that modern Chinese or any other group is hiding evidence, destroying it, or miscontruing it. So far, many scientists from all parts of the world have taken objective approaches and make proper citations and quotations.
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The one thing that many people don’t understand is that Modern humans are very different from Original humans.
According to the most accepted theory, the “Out of Africa” theory, Homo Sapiens evolved into anatomically modern humans in Africa and began migrating out of Africa as early as 250,000 years ago.
Original humans do not have the physical characteristics that the population today regard as “races”.
It is after the migration that different languages and cultures are developed.
Therefore, claiming that “Black Africans”, who are just as modern people as “White Europeans”, and “Yellow East Asians” etc, as the founder of Chinese civilization is absurd.
We humans are all of the same species, so it is not unusual for people to share certain physical characteristics. Not all East Asians have small eyes, not all “White Europeans” have blond hair/blue eyes, not all Africans have big lips. (I apologize for any offense, I’m just thinking up stereotypical images)
There are absolutely no Chinese literature support for the existence of any kingdoms or important people that constitutes people that resembles Modern “Black Africans”. Just like there are no Chinese records of Marco Polo ever being in China, much less been in the court of the Emperor of China at the time, and served as a Chinese official. There are however, Chinese records of the Chinese people first having contact with “White Europeans”, the Chinese described the “White Europeans” as looking just like monkeys; red and brown and hairy all over.
The Taiwanese article on Black Pygmies has nothing to do with the Chinese civilization, which started along the banks of the Yellow River, not in Taiwan, in fact, mass Chinese colonization of Taiwan did not start until the 15th century. The native people of Taiwan are the ancestors to the Modern Polynesian people.
Sources:
Chinese History Archives
Any major museum of natural history in the world
Any biology/genetics text book (3 of my biology textbooks to be specific)
Wow! It still amazes me how with the support of ancient documantation people are proving the true origins of various Asian and european cultures and still some people will deny and shout down the truth.
‘The Shang was given the name Nakhi (Na-Black, khi-Man) under the Black dynasty. The black Chinese established the basic forms of graceful calligraphy that has lasted to the present day. The first Chinese emperor, the legendary Fu-his (2953-2383 BC), was without doubt black and his African brothers and sisters established government, social institutions and cultural inventions.’
Jeez even the martial arts of China( which I practice) trace there beginnings to a copper hued man named Damo who brought Lohan (Priest-Scholar) 18 Hand Movements to Shaolin Temple. Come on people.
Much of the problem lies in the language which is used. Connotative meanings and ideas are used to hide the facts.
The name Africa is not an ancient name. ALKEBU-LAN is the true name of the continent. The ancients didn’t use modern terms such as africa, or egypt, the middle east, china. That’s all made up stuff to confuse the issue. The ancient name for that continent is Manchuria. China is a modern name.
Wikipedia which I cite for reference says:
‘The word “China” is derived from Cin (???), a PERSIAN name for China popularized in Europe by Marco Polo. In early usage, “china” as a term for porcelain was spelled differently than the name of the country, the two words being derived from separate Persian words. Both these words are derived from the Sanskrit word C?na (???), used as a name for China as early as AD 150. The origin of this word is the subject of several conflicting scholarly theories. The traditional theory, proposed in the 17th century by Martin Martini, is that the word is derived from “Qin” (?)(778 BC – 207 BC), the westernmost of the Chinese kingdoms during the Zhou dynasty, or from the succeeding Qin dynasty (221 – 206 BC).[17] In the Hindu scriptures Mah?bh?rata (5th century BC ) and Laws of Manu (2nd century BC), the word C?na is used to refer to a country of “yellow-colored” barbarians located in the Tibeto-Burman borderlands east of India.’
Its stunning how when you look on a map how many place are found on what’s now know as the african continent but still you wish us to believe they’re not apart of the continent. The text says these people came from the west, through what’s presently called Iran and brought there sciences.
The reason you can’t find “blacks”,” “africans”, “negros” etc in history is because you may not know the actual etymological names of the peoples, places and things. No one is trying to fit ‘Snoop dog’ characters into history where they don’t belong, but copper hued people have been here for thousands of years and are the originators of civilization. The scholars of those times wrote about their earliest ancestors often times describing them with terms such as “black people”,’ black hair or black skinned’, ‘seafaring’, ‘moors’, ‘as black as night’, ‘gypties’ (short for egyptians), etc and you keep trying to tell us we’re interpreting something. Shame on you. It is not a theory when the ancients text document it.
Here in America we still think Columbo discovered America. (He never went past Haiti) But if we read HIS journals or those of the Barbosa Brothers we see who He really says were here when he arrived. No not indians (they’re in Hindustan)
I’m sorry you’ve been lied to. They lied to me too but now that I’m an adult I read as a scholar and use sciences such as etyomology, seeking facts and truths and not just information that supports my own ideals or agendas. I leave my emotions at the door.
The terms black and white DO NOT denote any land mass or people but refer to caste systems. So please stop using these connotative words and the ideas behind them especially when researching. They don’t apply. People are not crayons.
Its all coming out now. I suggest we all doing the reading necessary to understand what really was and what really was not. We must remember there is only one race… the Human race. How much longer are we going to deny our ancient ancestors and origins? It is because of this denial a karmic debt that must be paid.
I’m FOR all peoples. I’ve traveled the world and have dear friends from many different cultures but I know they’re not crayons.
I’m sure there may be those who are unstudied or with personal agendas who will dismiss this comment as some racist/racial rant but the scholarly and studied will know that the denial of the truth is an attack against humanity itself.
Study, Study Study…
peace
You put a lot of stuff on Latif, so forgive me if I leave anything out.
The Shang Dynasty was called the Shang Dynasty, and they were not given the name “Nakhi”. There are just no credible historical evidence to suggest this.
“The black Chinese established the basic forms of graceful calligraphy that has lasted to the present day” – Please site your source for this, I am interested in how they proved this, because, again, there are no written records, and if the Shang people painted themselves on any surface, it did not survive the 3700 plus years of time.
The first Chinese emperor, (through the mutual consensus of historians), was Huang Di. At the dawn of Chinese civilization, many tribes fought each other for dominance and 3 tribes came out to be the strongest of them. Huang Di’s tribe, Chi You’s tribe, and Yan Di’s tribe. Chi You’s tribe was the strongest of the three, and he was a brutal leader and was said to use bronze weaponry to great effect. So Huang Di joined forces with(some historians say subdued) Yan Di and defeated Chi You, saw massive technological advances in Huang Di’s reign, and formed the first Chinese identity.
That’s why Chinese people have the title “Children of Yan-Huang”.
When you said that the first Chinese emperor “was without doubt black”, please support your claim.
It’s actually a very common Western misconception that an Indian monk named Damo(Chinese name) came and taught the other monks at Shaolin Temple martial arts. In fact, Damo was not linked to Chinese Martial Arts until 1000 AD, and the book that this apperared in was determined by modern historians as a illegitimate source for historical information. Again, this is a very popular Western misconception. Though Damo was accredited with teaching Chen (Zen in Japanese) Buddhism.
The ancient name for China is not Manchuria. Manchuria is an modern Western name for Man Chu, or The State of Man; an soverign nation to the north-east of the Ming Dynasty before the Qing Dynasty. You are right though in saying that “China is a modern name”. Before the Southern Song Dynasty (before 206 BC), the people called themselves by the state, meaning that during the Qin Dynasty, the people called themselves the People of Qin, and the term “Zhongguo” varied in it’s use with each dynasty, for example, it could mean the capital of the nation in one dynasty, and switch to meaning the geographicaly inner kingdoms in another dynasty. It was during the Southern Song Dynasty that the term Zhongguo, or Zhongyuan, was used to imply, the Middle Kingdom, the center of the world.
You stated yourself that the name China was a fairly modern English name, but then you wrote
“In the Hindu scriptures Mah?bh?rata (5th century BC ) and Laws of Manu (2nd century BC), the word C?na is used to refer to a country of “yellow-colored” barbarians located in the Tibeto-Burman borderlands east of India”
You just tried to explain a fairly modern English term with Sanskrit (the ancient Indian language, if that was indeed what your passage says, for I really don’t know much about actual Sanskrit texts). That’s illogical.
“Its stunning how when you look on a map how many place are found on what’s now know as the african continent but still you wish us to believe they’re not apart of the continent” – I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, are you saying that the Continent of Asia is part of Africa?
“The text says these people came from the west, through what’s presently called Iran and brought there sciences” – China is one of the Five (or Four depending on who you ask) of the earliest civilizations on earth. So they had to be pretty original, but of course traveling people would bring new ideas and such to other regions. Is that what you meant?
“copper hued people have been here for thousands of years and are the originators of civilization” – First of all, I beg to differ in the case of Greeks, as not all of them are copper hued. Secondly, back then, the people didn’t have any artificial means to protect themselves from the sun; the human body produces its natural sunscreen and the effect is that peopled get tanned. That’s why in Europe where there are less sunlight, the people are lighter, and further down South, the native people are darker, because of more intense sunlight.
“Here in America we still think Columbo discovered America” – I personally have never heard that claim from an educator, even in elementary school. It was always ‘Oh, the Spanish built in the modern day American South-West before Jamestown was founded’, and ‘The vikings reached modern day Canada hundreds of years before Columbus’ and whatnot. There are still possibilities of other people reaching the Americas even earlier. Maybe you talked to some ignorant people, or had a bad teacher?
“How much longer are we going to deny our ancient ancestors and origins?” – I never denied the fact that all humans originated from East Africa, but as I before wrote:
I apologize in advance for any grammar mistakes that makes my post hard to comprehend.
Sources:
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“Classic of Rites”
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Plus all I’ve learned from college classes
[but as I before wrote:]
According to the most accepted theory, the “Out of Africa” theory, Homo Sapiens evolved into anatomically modern humans in Africa and began migrating out of Africa as early as 250,000 years ago.
Original humans do not have the physical characteristics that the population today regard as “races”.
It is after the migration that different languages and cultures are developed.
Therefore, claiming that “Black Africans”, who are just as modern people as “White Europeans”, and “Yellow East Asians” etc, as the founder of Chinese civilization is absurd.
Sorry for that, my computer was having problems
I’m sure everyone has seen this!
Its all coming out now!
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2005
CNA, HONG KONG
An international study has found that the Chinese people originated not from “Peking Man” in northern China, but from early humans in East Africa who moved through South Asia to China some 100,000 years ago, Hong Kong’s Ming Pao daily reported yesterday in a finding that confirms the “single origin” theory in anthropology.
According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from a single origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
In China, school textbooks teach that the Chinese race evolved from “Peking Man,” based on a theory that humans in Europe and Asia evolved from local species.
But Jin and his fellow researchers found that early humans belonged to different species, of which only the East African species developed into modern humans.
This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.
Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago, said Li Hui, a member of Jin’s team.
About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said.
According to the newspaper article, it has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.
It said that the Shanghai scientists were part of an international team comprised of researchers from Russia, India, Brazil and other nations in a five-year project studying the geographic and genealogical routes related to the spread and settlement of modern humans.
Original river tamers. . . rulers of the mesolithic, neolithic and early bronze age . . . original imperialist . . . foundation . . . PRE HIStory
Mr. Darwin, you should realize that all you see is due to all that was. We still run tings, you should listen and not depend on eyes. And we still have dung dwellers and termite eaters because we are the original individual. We are not sheep as many non original people have an ability to emulate. While our great nations were laying the foundation for civilization the rest of the originals were probably shaking their heads as they knew all that glitters is not gold. It is much easier for a so called “primitive” person to live a so called “civilized” life than the other way around. When it comes to humanity there is no such ting as “new and improved.”
What are you guys arguing about? People came from africa or chinese ethic came from africa? Do you guys even know what’s the definition of ethic and how to differ one from another? I found it funny how that one claims a ethic to be the entity to another without even knowing the other. I don’t consider Japanese ethic came from chinese ethic even though their writing system and culture are deeply influenced by chinese writing system and cultrue.
China = country, chinese = people in china, Han = the majority ethic in china along with tens of other ethics.
Shang have nothing to do with nakhi people as far as I know. nakhi is an ethic group that came from tibet region, west region of china which still exists today. while shang dynasty occupied northern china.
How do you even put the origin of mankind with a country in asia, and the ethic which resides there on the same level? Get a dictionary anywhere and look up there three terms: African, Asian, Country, Ethic, and Mankind. Unless an UFO came along pick up a tribute in africa, drop it somewhere in china and they as group made the shang dynasty of course. The culture art from shang does not even come close to any of African art ever to be discovered. Look at this way, people a lived in area A, people a moved to area B and give birth to people b. people b made a tool in area b. Given that people a and b have distinct difference in culture and ethics, do you argue that people a have credit in making that same tool?
And why are people on this article keep using the logic: If A is not B then it’s C. Example, A = Chinese, B = Peking Man, C = Africans. Are you people so undereducated? You can say that it only disprove that the theory A came from B so it’s not C.
I meant these terms… not three terms… haha sorry i’m undereducated in not making a typo.