African Moors: The Appearance of the Original Berbers According to European Perceptions – By – Dana Marniche

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The Appearance of the Original Berbers According to European Perceptions

All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents. The notion of the early Berbers as being “whites” or Caucasoid is a new and racist one related to the concept of the African “Hamite”. Certainly the original Berber-speakers were never referred to as anything but “black” or something near it until the 12th century and were otherwise considered the color of Abyssinians and other so called “Indi”.

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Kabyle Girl

Even the Kabyles a notoriously fair-skinned “Berber” people of North Africa are up until the 19th century described as “brown” “apart from a few clans”. (See quotes below). The knowledge that Europeans were changing the complexion literally and figuratively of North Africa up until the 19th century has disappeared from modern European histories. Most know about the large part played by sub-saharan black slaves in the making of modern North Africa and Arabia while the white slave trade which was in fact dominant trade in North Africa until the fall of Constantinople (Istanbul in Turkey) in the 15th century had been largely ignored in historical writings of the 20th. Yet it was only a few centuries ago that Europeans visiting North Africa commenting on the fact that, “on almost every street of the cities of Barbary, Europeans could be seen harnessed to carts like draught horses or selling water from jars loaded on the backs of donkeys”.

1809 Commentary on those called “Moors” by an early 19th century observer: “They carry the Christian captives about the desert to the different markets to sell them for they soon discover that their habits of life render them unserviceable , or very inferior to the black slaves of Timbuktoo. “ from An Account of the Empire of Marocco, by J. G. Jackson published 1809 and 1814.

2003 – “From 1500 to 1650 when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy more Europeans were taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas. See, Robert Davis Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800, MacMillan Publishers, published 2003.

The impact of the white slave trade and its contribution to the modern biology and appearance of the modern North African stems from before the Arabian and Muslim waves into Africa. The Roman ruler Claudian spoke concerning Gildo, the “Moorish” ruler of Africa and treatment of Roman women from the Levant by this North African chief and his countrymen:

4th century – Claudian wrote, “ when tired of each noblest matron Gildo hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage city must needs mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian as a son-in law, a Berber as a husband. The hideous hybrid affrights its cradle.” Claudian, by Claudius Claudianus, translation by Maurice Platnauer, Published by G.P. Putnam’s sons, 1922 p. 113. (Gildo was brother to other Berber chiefs Firmus and Maseczel. Gildo is related to Aguellid or Galdi which remains the modern Tuarek word for chief. Masek, Amazigh ot Imoshagh was the name for the ancient and modern Tuareg clans in general. The Mezikes tribes were called “Ethiopians” in a Roman text of the time. )

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1stt c. A.D. – “Diodorus Siculus speaks in reference to the expedition of Agathocles a Sardinian general, of three Libyan tribes on the coast of Tunisia, the Micatani and Zufoni (see Zafan ),who were nomads and the Asfodelodi, who by the color of their skin resembled the Ethiopians” , p. 50 The Mediterranean Race Book XX, 38, 57 Guiseppe Sergi, 1901. The Micatani were also called Ukutameni and Khethim by Josephus. In later writings they are called Ketama Berbers. The name Maketa or Imakitan remains a name for the eastern branches of the Tuareg.

1st century A.D.– Marcus Valerian Martial was one of the earliest Europeans to use the phrase “woolly hair like a Moor” in one of his Satires, and the phrase was commonly used up until the Middle Ages. See Nature Knows No Color Line by J.A. Rogers, 1952. p. 50 The Muslim era didn’t begin until the birth of Muhammed, the Prophet, over four centuries after Martial. By the 7th century the word came to be used for Arabians who in the early era of Islam for the most part were also described as of near “black” complexion.

1st century Silius Italicus also describes the Moors with the term ‘Nigra’ meaning black. In the 3rd century Roman dramatist Platus or Plautus maintained the name Maure was a synonym for “Niger” which was a common term for the word black. 6th century Isidore Archbishop of Seville claimed the word Maure meant black according to Brunson and Runoko Rashidi in “The Moors in Antiquity” in Golden Age of the Moor, 1991.

6th A.D.- Corippus uses the phrase “facies nigroque colorus” meaning faces or appearance of black color to describe the North African Berbers. In his book Johannis, I/ 245.

6th A.D. – Procopius in his History of the Wars book IV contrasting the Germanic Vandals who had settled in North Africa with the Maures claimed the Vandals were not “black skinned like the Maurusioi” . The tribes he classified as Maurusioi are those now classified as ancient Berbers, the Numidians, Masaesyle, Gaitules, Massyles and Mezikes several other “Berber” tribes then settled between Tunisia and Morocco.

After the 8th century the term Moor came to be used for the many Arabian clans who had invaded the Mediterranean and Africa because of their complexions which were the same dark brown or near black to absolutely black color of the Berbers.
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1914 – Archeologists observance of the ancient North Africans portrayed in ancient Egyptian tomb paintings, “The brun Libyan type is the only one portrayed in the Old Empire, the xanthrochroids predominate in the New Empire representations.” P. 40 from The Eastern Libyan Oric Bates The intrusive xanthrochroids…do not appear before the XII dynasty… It safe to say that they were immigrants.” from The Eastern Libyans by Oric Bates Frank Cass publishers 1914. pp. 40 and 41. (These paintings of the ancient Libyans as a brown in color are in the works of Nina Davies.)

1939 – “The extreme long-heads, concentrated in the Hoggar and in parts of the Algerian plateau are the Tuareg and the purer families of ancestral nomadic Berbers, preserving the head form which they brought from East Africa, their Hamitic homeland.” Carleton Coon The Races of Europe, p. 257 1979 reprint.

Five major tribes of Berbers were spoken of by early Muslim writers including the Sanhaja, Masumuda Zenata, Ketama and Goddula which were categorized into dozens of others which in turn were divided into many more. Among them were the early Kabyles originally a group of Sanhaja Berbers. Most descriptions refer to the modern Kabyles as fair-skinned, but in the 19th century and early 20th, descriptions and in fact many photographs depict them as dark and near black. (Photos from the 19th century show both very dark-skinned and near white skinned Kabyle individuals from different villages in the region).

1890 – “The Kabyles or Kabaily of Algerian and Tunisian territories…besides tillage, work the mines contained in their mountains…They live in huts made of branches of trees and covered with clay which resemble the Magalia of the old Numidians…They are of middle stature, their complexion brown and sometimes nearly black.” Written in The Encyclopedia Britannica: Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature Henry G. Allen Company p. 261 Volume I 1890.

1834 The Scotsman Thomas Campbell says, “The Kabyles…dress like the Arabs and a part from a few tribes, are brown complexioned and black haired” p. 109 Barbary and Enlightenment: European Attitudes Toward the Maghreb in the 18th Century, Ann Thomson. Published 1987 by E. J. Bull

A description by Gillebert d’Hercourt in Etudes Anthropologiques sur Soixante-Seize indigenes de lAlgerie in 1865 said the Kabyle crania that were studied were generally dolichocephalic. In fact the physical anthropological studies done on ancient and modern North Africans show that early North Africans were dolichocephalic like the Tuareg and other dark-skinned berber tribes.
Not surprisingly most modern Berber-speakers who are fair skinned including modern Kabyles are predominantly mesocephalic (middle headed) or even brachycephalic. It is interesting that the dress of these modern Kabyle women resembles that modern women of the Balkans and that palm and blood group types are also like those of European Mediterranean Greeks. Many of these Kabyles also have a strong Turkish influence as judged from the recognizable Turkish Eurasian or even East Asian facial features. Obviously some groups other than a Berber one makes up the main genetic strain in many modern Kabyle-speakers. Culturally the modern fair-skinned Kabyles have been documented as among the most patrifocal people in North Africa whereas the ancient and modern Berbers like the Tuareg were notably matrilineal and matrifocal to the chagrin of early Muslim documenters who considered this among their ‘wicked” customs.

1901 – The Oases if Nafzawa and Wed Suef and Wed Regh and other Berbers of the Sus as “of very dark complexion” in Guiseppi Sergi The Mediterranean Race: The Study of the origin of European peoples The Walter Scott Publishing Company

On the Libyo Berbers called – Gaetules or Jeddala
The Gaitules were the most populous of the Libyan tribes of Strabo’s time (1st century AD). Josephus claimed they were descended from Havilah or the Avalioi who he says children of Kush child of Ham.

1st -2nd century – Juvenal, the Roman writer in his Satire V. 53 referred to “a Gaetulian, as a black a Moor “so black you’d rather not see him at midnight”.. Found in Madan’s translation of Juvenal, vol. I by J. Vincent published at Oxford.

Among the Gaetules were a tribe Dari or Darae Gaetuli, there was also a stream called Daradae Ethiopus (DARAE were a Gaetulian tribe in the W. of Africa, on a mountain stream called Dara, on the S. steppes of M. Atlas, adjacent to the Pharusii. (Plin. V. 1: Oros. i. 2: Leo Afr. P. 602.)
The Draa (Arabic: ???) (also spelled Dra or Draâ, in older sources mostly Darha or Dara) is Morocco’s longest river (1100 km). “The inhabitants of the Draa are called Draawa (an exonym), the most famous Draawi undoubtedly being mawlay Mohammed ash-Sheikh. Outside of the Draa region this name is mostly used to refer to the dark skinned people of Draa which make up the largest portion of its inhabitants.” Retrieved May 13th 2008 from
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Draa-river

Descriptions of the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama, Zenata Berbers of coastal North Africa and the Upper Atlas

Most Arab-speaking historians beginning as far back as the 8th century when Wah ibn Munabihh a South Arabian and descendant of an Iranian mercenary claimed the Berbers belonged to black races of Ham. Several Muslim writers claimed the Berbers were the sons of Berr who were said to descend from Mazigh ibn (son of ) Canaan Ibn Ham Ibn Nuh (Noah). The tradition found cited in Nafousa: Berber Community in Western Libya, Omar Sahli citing Dabbuz. Retrieved on-line from http://www.tawalt.com/monthly/fessato_1.pdf , July. 12, 2008.
The Zenata are called a Canaanite race by other Muslim writers see ‘The Berbers” Geo. Babington Michell, Journal of the Royal African Society, Vol. 2, No. 6 (Jan., 1903), pp. 161-194. The traditions state that in fact Berbers were descendants of Amalekites (Amalek) from Canaan and Himyarite from Yemen both descendants of “Adites” that had invaded Egypt before 1200 B.C. and “advanced toward the Maghreb”.
The Berbers as represented by the Tuareg especially appear to have called themselves Mashek or Mazigh who are associated with bringing the camel into Africa. Mashek is still the name of a tribe of the Mahra of Oman and Hadramaut who also claim an origin in the Yemen.
( In early Arabian tradition the lowland of Canaan or the Kenaniyya tribe was in an area of the western region of Arabia north of Yemen and not farther to the north in modern Palestine or Israel. See the Bible Came from Arabia. Kamal Salibi )

11th century – “The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. Their color is mostly black though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters, active in service, suited both to motherhood and to pleasure, for they are the most solicitous in caring for their children. “ 11th century the Christian Iraqi physician Ibn Butlan quoted by historian Bernard Lewis.

11th century – Nasr i Khusrau, an Iranian ruler described the Masmuda soldiers of the Fatimid dynasty as “black Africans”. See Yaacov Lev, “Army, Regime and Society in Fatimid Egypt, 358-487/968-1094”, International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies, 19.3 (1987) p. 342.

13th century – Primary Cronica General of Alphonso X of Spain describes the 300 Almoravid “Amazon” women whose leader is described as black and Moorish. They were “led by their leader Nugaymath al-Tarqiyya (the “star of the Tuareg archers” in Arabic) who led the Almoravid siege of Valencia”; cited in Nubian Queens in the Nile Valley by Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban, Ninth International Conference of Nubian Studies, Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, USA. See also The Berbers in Arab Literature by H.T. Norris 1982.p. 20. Harvey , L.P. “Nugaymath Turquia, Primera Cronica General, Chapter 956” Journal of Semitic Studies 13, no. 2:232. Targiyyat or Targiya is a variant form or pronunciation in North Africa for the name Tuareg. 13th or 14th century Abu Shama, a Syrian, described the Masmuda Berbers as “blacks” in his, Kitab al-Ravdatayn. Found in Golden Age of the Moor, 1991 edition p. 57, edited by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima.

14th – The Almoravid or Al Murabitun dynasty coming from the Atlas was one of the last dynasties coming from Africa to rule in the Iberian peninsula. One of the 11th century rulers of Andalusia and North Africa was Yusuf Tachfin who had come from a long line of miltary rulers. According to “Roudh el-Kartas” (History of the Rulers of Morocco) by Abd Allah, and A.Beaumier’s French translation of the 14th century work, Yusuf was of “brown color”, of “middle height” with , “ thin, little beard, soft voice” and “woolly hair”. The Almoravid dynasty was supposedly composed mainly of Sanhaja clans of Massufa, Joddala (Gaetuli) and Lamtuna (or Auelimidden Tuareg)- the Auelamidden have since moved southward and live in Niger.


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126 thoughts on “African Moors: The Appearance of the Original Berbers According to European Perceptions – By – Dana Marniche”

  1. “NO ANTHROPOLOGIST HAS EVER CLAIMED THEY WERE BLACK AFRICANS”

    How do you know ? The school of Frank Boas says that there was black people in Spain and Portugal , before and after the Moor Invasion of Spain ( see Gilberto Freyre “Masters and Slaves”).

    Everybody knows that Coon is a racist/supremacist: The Journal of the History of Biology says about him :

    “Segregationists in the United States used Coon’s work as proof that African Americans were “junior” to white Americans, and thus unfit for full participation in American society. The paper examines the interactions among Coon, segregationist [and Coon relative] Carleton Putnam, geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky, and anthropologist Sherwood Washburn. The paper concludes that Coon actively aided the segregationist cause in violation of his own standards for scientific objectivity”

    Please read this scientific and objective scientific report:

    http://comm.colorado.edu/jjackson/research/coon.pdf

    The notion of “race” has been created by racist Europeans, who applied intellectual and civilisation abilities to physical characteristics and features for each “race”. But it is bullshit because this is in Black Africa (East , West , South , Center ) that you can find the “finest physical features” according to the European standards…Go to Senegal, Mali , Ethiopia for example….And it’s not a surprise because Africa is the Motherland of all Mankind…

    The Black African Moors in Spain were present specially during the Almoravides and Almohades Dynasties.

    Among the Invaders of Spain there were :

    “White” and Black Berbers (from MOROCCO) ; Black Subsaharians ( Soninkés, Fulanis , Toucouleurs , Wolofs, Bambaras, Yourubas, Hausas) and Arabs from Arabia (they were the smallest portion of the invaders).

    In Muslim Spain there was many conflicts between Berbers (“White” and Blacks), Africans and Arabs. Both parties had Christian allies. This is how they lost Spain.

    In Tomboctou [Mali] , there is thousands of books dating from the Middle Age , which belongs to black african families and bequeathed by their Black moors ancestors…You can do your research from google…

    Even the modern North African Anthropologists like Malika Hachid (Algeria) say that the first North Africans and berbers were black Africans. If you read french you can buy her books…

    If they had denied the Tassili Frescoes are still present in Algeria…

    The oldest skulls found in Constantine (KABYLIE) by the French Anthropologist Raymond FURON , characterized the presence of black men , he even called them “NUBIAN SKULLS”…

    You’re crying for nothing, even the first Phoenicians (canaanites ) were black men. If you go to the British Museum in the Phoenician section you’ll see it with your own (racist) eyes…The Pharaoh Sa-Nakht ( 3rd dynasty Before Djoser) is also a Fullblooded Negro, his portrait at the British Museumcan’t let any doubt possible.

    But you won’t see their pictures in White racist books like those of Coon : his racist theories would happened to be bullshit in the face of the world ( those who study seriously knows it)…

    Please pay yourself a trip to London in order to visit the British Museum (Tube Station : Tottemham court Road) and Flinders Petrie Museum ( Tube : Euston) . I don’t know how the hell white guys could use AFRO COMBS for their hairs ?????

    Coon is considered as a Non Objective , twisted “scientist” by the majority of his pairs.

    Everybody knows that “Race” doesn’t exist scientifically speaking. The school of Boas knew it. The school of Coon denied it in order to persecute people all over the world and specially black people in AmeriKKKa: White men were the king of the world according to this liar ( which is of course bullshit).

    You guys don’t know the TRUE STORY of WHITE PEOPLE…If only you knew I think you’d be not very proud….

    The French scholar and Egyptologist Christiane Desroches Noblecourt , says that : ” when Egyptian built pyramids , we [Europeans] lived in caves” . And she is white and French…

    Could you please explain to us how the kings of the world lived in caves , when African built pyramids ? And semites were also civilized ( Assyrians , Akkadians , Syrians etc) ?

  2. The Berbers were and are still predominantly white. Many of the Berber tribes that populate the Atlas mountains have many individuals with light hair and light to medium skin tone and European features. Some actually look as Nordic as Swedes ( possibly descendants of the Vandals who were Germanicized Vikings).

    It is true that some Berber tribes integrated small numbers of blacks from the southern Sahara and the Senegal. Such people were mainly slaves, servants or conscripts in the Moorish armies.

    There exist “Berber” tribes that are predominantly black or mixed race, but they are not genetically or ethnically Berbers. These people are only Berber in the cultural sense.

  3. Black Kabyles/Black Berbers

    Here is an account from 1834 by Scotman Thomas Campbell: “The Kabyles dress like the Arabs and apart from a few tribes, are brown complexioned and black haired p. 109 Barbary and Enlightenment: European Attitudes Toward the Maghreb in the 18th Century, Ann Thomson. Published 1987 by E. J. Bull.

    In 1890 it was observed that: “The Kabyles or Kabaily of Algerian and Tunisian territories besides tillage, work the mines contained in their mountains. They live in huts made of branches of trees and covered with clay which resemble the Magalia of the old Numidians. They are of middle stature, their complexion brown and sometimes nearly black.” from The Encyclopedia Britannica: Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature Henry G. Allen Company p. 261 Volume I 1890.

    Think!

    Jahdey

  4. I grew with Algerians and Moroccans in Paris suburbs. I went to Morocco. Many Moroccans lived or studied in my original Country which is Senegal.

    Both are “berberized” Arabs.

    The Algerians have “fairer” skins , but we must not forget that many Europeans ( conquerors or slaves) , and Asian ( Turks ) came in that country. I have many Algerian friends who look like modern Turks. Algeria was part of the Ottoman empire.

    It is true that in the Kabyle population you have many blonds and blue/green eyes. The Blonds berbers do not look like the Scandinavian type because they have often curly hair.

    Even if they have “fair ” skins you , or blue eyes ; you can recognize them, this is why they face so much discrimination in France….They look Berbers…

    The oldest skulls found in Kabylie (Constantine) by Furon, where those of black people though…

    The darkest Algerians are on the South near the city of Biskra. They have curly hair and are often dark. Or in a region like Tindouf.

    On the other hand Moroccans are darker than Algerians. You may have the people from the RIFF who sometimes are blond with blue eyes. But it’s very seldom in Morocco.

    The Moroccans are dark people, and the more you go in the south, the more you find people who look like some Ethiopians : Silk Hair and Brown skins.

    These people feel Africans and marry with subsaharian people willfully like we can see in Paris or in Morocco.

    But in the both of them you can find the “European complex”, many of them feel pride when they have a “whiter” skin and blue eyes.

    Many of my Berbers friends used Blond Tainting in order to look “whiter” and also for fashion purpose.

    Many of my Algerian friends love to be compared with Italians for instance. It’s same for Moroccans , I have a moroccan girl friend from the upper class who says with lot of proud that his Grandmother has blue eyes and fair hairs (châtain), when I said to her that many Moroccans had brown skins , she wanted to cry …sic

    The berber culture has his roots in BLACK Africa namely in Ethiopia…Even Berbers know it specially those educated in France or England.

  5. Jahdey.. Northern Europeans with tan were referred to as brown. LMAO. Read some older English Lit and you’d know that, it’s used to describe people who work in the fields. ‘Black’ meant the same skin tone you see in gypsies, you see it in European literature describing the Spanish and Turks as black too. As an example, Africans call some black African groups white, red and yellow skinned. They are all relative to the skin tone of the people involved. If the Europeans had meant ‘black African’ they’d have said ‘Ethiopian’.

    Nehesey… Malilka Hachid..the lady who said that ‘ to be Libyan thus meant to be a white African, but not Egyptian’.
    “Etre Libyen signifiait donc être africain et blanc, mais non égyptien.”

    CAUGHT YOU LYING Nehesey

    Raymond Furon .. you said was an ‘anthropologist that said they were black/nubian’.. . is a geologist. The skulls were from the Paleoithic, before the neolithic farmers from the near east arrived, and were essentially mixed race., not unlike Nubians and Ethiopians. You also either don’t know or don’t mention that these people have been studied and found to be intermediate to Europeans and Africans since, and many of the skulls showed NO negroid affinites at all, only some of them did. Again, something you’ve made up.

    CAUGHT YOU LYING . AGAIN. Nehesey.

    DNA from 12,000 year old bones in Morocco is all Eurasian, and exactly matches modern North coast Berbers, the whitest ones around. Not a sign of sub Saharan mt DNA to be found in coastal North Africa 12k ago. The crania were studied too.

    The Terminal Pleistocene and Early Holocene Populations of Northern Africa.

    COLIN P. GROVES AND ALAN THORNE 1999

    Abstract:

    We studied three northern African samples of human cranial remains from the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary: Afalou-bou-Rhummel, Taforalt, and Sudanese Nubia (Jebel Sahaba and Tushka), and compared them to late Pleistocene Europeans and Africans. Despite their relatively late dates, all three of our own samples exhibit the robusticity typical of late Pleistocene Homo sapiens. As far as population affinities are concerned, Taforalt is Caucasoid and closely resembles late Pleistocene Europeans, Sudanese Nubia is Negroid, and Afalou exhibits an intermediate status. Evidently the Caucasoid/Negroid transition has fluctuated north and south over time, perhaps following the changes in the distribution of climatic zones

    FYI: European slaves taken during Arab slavery tabout 1.5 million. Black African slaves taken during Arab slavery about 15 million. So if anything the North Africans are darker than they used to be, having about ten times more slave ancestry from black Africans than Europeans

    Berber culture has bugger all to with Ethiopia. I’d laugh my ass off again but Jahdey already had it off earlier. If you’d ever actually read any of Hachid’s books you’d know that – and you wouldn’t have lied and said she claimed they were all black.

    As for Coon, I was just pointing out that Dana was making out that he claimed the North Africans were black, which he didn’t . Tell her off. Take a look at some of the more recent studies of ancient North Africans by modern anthropologists and they all have the similar conclusions as him regarding Berbers anyway. Even Keita, a notably black man points out that a lot of the NA crania are typically European.

    I’d also like to point out that whatever that french Egyptologist said, there were small Trypllian cities with two storey houses in SE Europe before agriculture even appeared in Africa, and Europeans were living in small huts in the Neanderthal era. Odd you chose her, as she has written a book on Ramses that includes a description of him as a white Libyan with red hair. And on the subject of ancient Europe; copperworking was developed in SE Europe 7,500 years ago, and the oldest cites and sites of plant domestication are in Turkey. African domestications appear after farmers with Turkish crops appear in Africa. There is also a 11,500 year old stone temple in Turkey.

    Essentially, modern Western Civillisation came from the Anatolians, not black Africans.

    There’s a notable abscence of any art from North Africa on this page – I wonder why LOL. Let me correct that.
    mathildasanthropologyblog

    As you’ll notice, none of the Byzantine or Roman era art shows any black Africans in coastal cities. Not even as slaves, galdiators, servants, nobles or workers. In fact, some rather obviously white women with fair and red hair are shown in the Tassili rock art from the BC era.

    “The Canaanites were black”.

    Thank you. Anyone reading this will know you a madder than a hatter from that comment.

    I have to go into the British museum on regular basis, I have seen the combs. I have also seen the mummies with their fine, wavy, typically Caucasian hair. I also have studies of the hair and crania and teeth that describe Egyptians as mainly typically Caucasoid north Africans. Afro combs my arse.

    BTW, I never said none of the Moors were black, but they were a minority as the artwork of them clearly shows, and many were brought from places as far away as Mali, which is hardly North Africa. The black tribes are specifically described by the Spanish as they kept a record of what went to whom when the land was being divvied up after the conquest. Most of the tribes weren’t black though, and the Y DNA left in North Africa is pretty specific to white North coast Berbers (E3b2).

    I’m curious Nehesy… Do you just lie non stop to make out that you are right or are you just parroting stuff someone has told you? Check your sources next time.

    1. Zsazsa or chahca

      Listen up and become wiser. Northern Europeans are an albino race. The English are called the treacherous Albinos by the French. Your recessive gene results in a skin shade that is pinkish or yellowish. There is no Northern European that ever had a brown skin except the children African peoples had with pink skinned people of Northern Europe. I mean to say that there can be no brown in a Northern European unless an African had slept with his mother. Caught you out on that eh?

      Secondly, the term Euro-Asia does not refer to pink skinned people. throughout this website, it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the first Europeans were African migrants who crossed the Red Sea, then moved through Anatolia into Europe. The other migrational wave moved through Libya and Morocco into Spain, Greece and Italy. It is called the capsian culture, or the mauro-Iberian culture. See Journey of Man by Spencer Wells; See also, P. Underhill.

      The first of your so-called white (actually pink)ancestors only appeared between 6,000 years ago to 3,000 years ago. Before then my little dreamer girl, it was a Black man’s world. so anytime we are talking about a time span of 7,000 years ago and beyond, please re-orient your little mind to see a world full of Black men and women without no pink skins. Pink skin only appeared hundreds of thousands of years after the first African brown skins as a result of genetic mutation. See The Original Africans of Europe, by Oguejiofo Annu http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-africans-of-europe-by-ogu-eji-ofo-annu/

      Terms such as “Caucasiod” have been de-nuded of any scientific validity and to the extent that “caucasiod” is still relevant it does not refer to pink skin. It refers to a skull type which is more predominant in people’s of colour than in pinkish people. For instance, black and brown Indians have been ruled to be “caucasiod”, Black Sudanese, black Ethiopians, Black Kenyans, also Rwandan Tutsis, Black Yemenites and Qataris, have all been ruled to be caucasiod by some discreditied liars such as Coon whom you love to recite. Yet, we all know that they are not pink skinned like you. You are seeking pedigree!!

      I do not need to take you to task on the Moors as the resident scholars on this site have beaten that issue to death. Go ask William Shakespare why he described the great Moor Othello as a blackman. Oh I forget, he meant a “gypsie’ or no… actually …maybe he meant your mythical brown grandmother Mathilada. Grow up and open your eyes. Understand and accept that brown peoples are not pink people. Moor comes from Maures…Maurisoi…Black (Greek and Latin etymology).

      Moors were not Arabs who came to Europe. There were not “white Africans” either since there are no such monstrosities. Although an army of predominantly muslim Moors conquered spain in 711 but Moors were in europe even earlier. The historical Moors comprised of the original Black Europeans, who were later enslaved by the Spanish and European inquisitions and deported to the Caribbean Islands where you went from calling them Black-a-moors (Black as a Moor) to negros (a new name which seeks to steal our heritage). The entire southern Europe is full of Black moorish artefacts and paintings. Go check out the Moorish flags of Italy and Spain and Corsica. Even your half-mind admits the existence of Moors as dark skin Africans. I will leave it at that. http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blackfolknetwork.com/myspace/bfnmoor/aboutme/aboutme_corsicaflag.gif&imgrefurl=http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendID%3D332203298&usg=__HkvJGFs0zTHmoIlVjHBJ25I_b5Q=&h=27

      Here are excerpts about the Moors from the Song of Roland (11 A.D.) a poem written by a pinkish spaniard after the Moorish conquest:

      At their head rides the Saracen Abisme[Saracens are Arabs and Abisme is his name believed to be related to Abyssinia]: no worse criminal rides in that company, stained with the marks of his crimes and great treasons, lacking the faith in God, Saint Mary. And he is black, as black as melted pitch…

      [Another excerpt from “The Song of Roland”]

      Ethiope, is a cursed land indeed; The blackamoors, from there are in his keep, Broad in the nose they are and flat in ear, fifty thousand and more in company.

      When Roland sees that unbelieving race, those hordes and hordes blacker than the blackest ink – no shred of white on them except their teeth…
      (Source: Van Sertima, Ivan; editor; Brunson, J. & Rashidi, R., authors; “Golden Age of the Moor,” Transaction Publishers (New Brunswick, NJ), 1993, p. 43.)

      So come back more often. Cease and desist from writing and posting garbage which noone reads on Mathilada blog. Come to Rastafari Universe, Rastalivewire and learn the truth that your father and mother were too embarrassed to teach you.

      With Love, pity and overstanding

      Jahdey

      More on the Moors: Here are some paintings of European Moors made by classical European painters between the 16th and 19th centuries. A picture is worth a thousand words…

      http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.codart.nl/images/NLAmsterdamRijksmuseumMostaertAfrikaanseMan.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.codart.nl/news/78/&usg=__mgth6MXz0Egly-niQh0aX4L3Jpg=&h=580&w=400&sz=38&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=ZytSaU9MbDwXMM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmoorish%2Bpainting%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN

      http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.edwinlordweeks.org/Moorish-Guard.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.edwinlordweeks.org/Moorish-Guard.html&usg=__qgCnRZvgO5YrKyKklgWTXfp13NA=&h=500&w=254&sz=32&hl=en&start=38&um=1&tbnid=1_v5eH_WQcgRnM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=66&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmoorish%2Bpainting%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN

      http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj285/Lucid_Lorenda/MoorishBazaarPortal.jpg

      http://www.illusionsgallery.com/moorish-chief-L.jpg

      BTW: We have been monitoring the nonsense you write up over in your blog. It appears that since none is paying you any attention you are here to fill it with your stinky garbage. You were the one that deleted the comments of Dana Marniche on your Mathilada-blog because it was too heavy to understand for you yet you have the cheek to come over here at Rastalivewire so that we can give you some attention while you make senseless uneducated fool’s crack. This will be the last reply you will get though because reading your convoluted gibberish, it appears that you are really educationally challenged!

      Go back to your stinky website and put back up the comments made by Dana Marniche before you try to grandstand here in Rastalivewire. Snivelling coward that you are, you censor the truth written on your website (by a powerful teacher such as Dana) but would attempt to spread the filth that rises from within you all over the Internet. And least I forget, please use credible reference sources to back up your ignorant so-called claims.

      Fools die from want of wisdom!

  6. One cannot take away 1,200 years of descriptions of the Moors as blacks and “Ethiopians” in Europe from Greek and Roman writings and in more recent encyclopedias and dictionaries throughout Europe as mentioned in Rogers, Nature knows No Color Line. No dozen or so paintings from 14th to 16th c. slave infested Spain change that.
    Furthermore and tellingly true Semitic or bedouin Afro-Asiatic people -Arabians, Canaanites (the Canaaniyya tribe in Israel at Jericho are still black) is like did not .like to portray themselves or the human image according to European scholars.

    As for the matter of Eurasians in Africa, It has been known for at least half a century before genetic studies on dna that certain brachyphalic and mesocranic skeletons, and thus likely Europoid people were present in ealy holocene North Africa along with the predominant long-headed African populations who were classfied as by such eugenicists as Coon as Caucasoid ancestral hamites and who probably absorbed them.. the irony of what people like mathildeblogger say is that modern Europoid looking populations in North Africa are also significantly not dolichocephals like the majority of the originial populations of the paleolithic and mesolithic North Africa of the “iberomaurusian” or Capsian periods and cultures, and later populations as at Carthage and Numidia. It is a shame that some Europeans or rather Eurocentic academics still use the term Caucasoid for people with Hamitic caniofacial traits probably evolved in the hot, arid lands they came fom. For this reason modern Western scholaship on genetic intepretations are misleading and untrustworthy.

    Lastly, the day someone can explain why ancient Egyptian tomb paintings only depict dark brown Cathaginians, Phoenicians and Phillistines, when they are supposedly Eurasian or “Caucasian” people the globe wil have stopped turning on its axis.

  7. I fogot to mention Eurocentrics like Gimbutas are one of the reasons oppositional scholarship of Africans was born and why it will continue to thrive. i don’t consider good scholaship on Aficans Afrocentric. i consider it discovering and revealing the truth.

  8. Most Berber tribes in North Africa are in fact still dark brown in color after centuies of the white slave trade. They include the Nafusawa, Shleuh and Sus or most of Berbers of southern morocco and the uppe Atlas. Of course, most Tuareg clans are still dark brown, as are Massufa and Berbers of Taurudant, the Draa and Trarza and hassaniyya Moors and Siwa Berbers. it should not be surprising that modern Berbers of coastal Morocco look like the Europeans that were bought in by the millions as slaves according to most European scholars, as they were into other parts of north Africa even before the Turkish colonizations .

  9. Anyone interested in the so-called conclusions of European anthropologists should also see “The Questionable Contributios of the neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craqniofacial forms”, CL Brace, S.C. Fox, P. Qifeng et al. in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of Amerca ol. 103, No. 1 . Fortunately some scholars still know that most neolithic and early Europeans were not directly related to modern Europeans.

  10. Sasha always use the world liar, and he is the biggest one….

    I lived in London for almost 4 years, and I didn’t see the mummies with silk hair that he’s talking about…

    For instance if you go to 3rd floor (Egyptian section) you can see the real picture of the prince RAHOTEP, not the false statue which is disclosed in all the whitesupremacist websites and books.

    Next to Rahotep’s picture you have a picture of the pharoah Sanakht (third dynasty before Djoser ) a full blooded negro. I saw them the last time I went there in November 2008…

    I knew this was a fake for Rahotep because I was his REAL picture in : “Eternal Egypt : Masterworks of Ancient Art from the British Museum” , page 40…And this book the authors say that it represented his tomb without saying that it was actually him…

    If you a truthful man pleace take your Digital camera , take some pictures and post them in this blog.

    Tell me in which part did you see them and show me their picture if you tell the truth…

    Every white I interwied in the british Musuem in from on the statues of Ramses II, Thoutmosis III or Amenhotep III , told me that they were in front of Africans.

    The Lybian sarcophagus in the British Musuem, are dislosed with a Yellow Skin (2nd floor) .

    In the Tomb of Sakure ( Fifth dynasty) black lybians are disclosed. There were Black and “white” lybians everydoby knows that.

    The oldest mummified body found in Lybia was one of a child and he was also black…

    The Tehenous were the black lybians according to Sir Alan Gardiner. Did you ever put your feet in Lybia ??? Many modern lybians are black…I have some picture to show as well don’t worry…

    I never said that the Lybians who usurpated the power in Egpyt ( kicked out by black nubians) were Blacks ( Osorkon, Sheshonq etc)…

    I’m in my office , I’ll post some pictures of the afro-combs which everybody can see in the Petrie Museum. I’ll show you some pictures of Egytian vessels with their black crew…

    I’ll give you Furon’s reference as well, my books are at home when I write in this forum…

    I really think that your never put your feet into a Museum…And specially in the Petrie and British Museum…

    And for the Canaanites here is one Picture from Donald B Redford’s book : “Egypt, Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times
    Donald B. Redford”, 1992

    2 canaanites HEADMEN and they are obviously black :

    http://tinypic.com/20ich39.jpg

    Who is a Hater and a Madder ?

    In the British museum there is also some pictures of phoenicians (Nimrud Ivories ) and there were some black phoenicians too.

    I’ll scan them and post them here if GOD wills.

    Here is a picture of mixed couple in Tunisia ; Julius Serenus and his wife Numitoria Saturnina 300 to 400 BC [Sfax Museum in Tunisia] : Before color prejudice by Frank Snowden

    http://tinypic.com/ogxnwy.jpg

    As you can see he is black and his wife is white…

    I’ll post the pictures of Petrie Museum first , just wait and see…

    And I have the book of Malika Hachid : “Les premiers Berbères entre Méditerranée Tassili et Nil “.

    She destroys the bullshit story of the so called berbers who came from the Near East. If you are truthful give me the page where she says that. I’ve got it at home…

    Here is a summary of her works by Hassan Remaoun :

    http://www.codesria.org/Links/Publications/review_books/remaoun.pdf

    Let’s play …

  11. The Moors

    Black Moors King :

    http://i4.tinypic.com/k13vk6.jpg

    Biblioteca de escritores aragones. Blancas.Comentarios de las cosas de Aragon.Seccion historia 3.P 110.1878

    As the Cantigas of santa Maria [King Alfonso X] said : “.. Los moros de la hueste todos vestidos del sirgo et de os panos de color que ganaran…las caras dellos negras como la pez el mas fremoso dellos era negro como la olla ..”

    The Encyclopedia Britannica ( 1926, Vol 21, p128, 14 th Edition) :

    “The Almoravides ….were berbers and were largely mingled with pure Negroes ”

    I do sometimes some recherche at the National Library in Paris [ I’m not historian , I’m an Investment banker] , one thing is sure during the middle age, the word MOOR was always applied to BLACKS.

    For Instance François le Peloux who an ambassador of Charles V , was a mixed black according to the contemporary Historian : Pierre de Bourdeille Seigneur de Brantôme: He called him ” beau et MORICAUT..” ie ” Nice and Moor”.

    “Vie des hommes illustres et grands capitaines français” Volume I,p 98, 1864

    The Chevalier de Saint Georges another mixed black was also called “MORICAUT” or MOOR.

  12. Thank-you indeed for this. I wish you could set up a school in Jamaica and come and share the knowledge.

    I remember reading that the aborigines, were also classified as caucasians, which was quite shocking. I know the story of what the British had done. But we all can see how history can decieve people.

  13. Can you direct me to more art or visual representation on ancient black history. I am aware that many of the images have been destroyed or altered.
    I am a senior lecture at an art school and can use this information to the further educate our students.
    Thank – you once again.

  14. Science never lies , here is the reconstruction of the face of a Priest of Amun at KARNAK, dating 1100 BC. His name is ESAMUN or NATSEFAMUN.

    The reconstruction has been done by Pr Richard NEAVE of the Manchester University Medical School….

    The sarcophagus of Esamun (Leeds City Museum) :

    http://tinypic.com/1040zf7.jpg

    The reconstruction of his face by Richard Neave :

    http://tinypic.com/1040w7n.jpg

    Source : Ian Wilson): « Past lives , Unlocking the secrets of our ancestors » , Editions Cassell and Co (London), 2001, page 88 to 95.

    As he is a black man Ian Wilson says that he may have come from Nubia… But it’s a lie. Beacuse Egyptians didn’t allow any stranger into their priesthood…And KEMET means the “Land of the Black People”…

  15. Compare now with the powerful black Pharoah : Djehutimesu III aka Thoutmosis III :

    http://i42.tinypic.com/5o8ppj.jpg

    http://tinypic.com/ml5k5z.jpg

    If you look carefully at ancient Egypt iconography you’ll find more Indoeuropean and Semites captives than blacks ( political and not racial war against Nubia…)

    Sometimes in Eurocentrics books Nubians are described as slaves , like for instance the scene in HUY’s TOMB….But it was actually a liht skin Nubian Princess visiting Egypt whith his Court.

    You had light skinned Nubians with the same color of the Light skin Egyptians…And you had also Ebony skins between Nubians and Egyptians…

    The Tomb of Huy’s scene is on the 3rd floor at the British Museum…

  16. do not forget,by north afriquan culture when older king or simple gays who use to sleep with youg black woonen,when child born is considered belange to the white family despite black colored skin by all people

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