The Appearance of the Original Berbers According to European Perceptions
All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents. The notion of the early Berbers as being “whites” or Caucasoid is a new and racist one related to the concept of the African “Hamite”. Certainly the original Berber-speakers were never referred to as anything but “black” or something near it until the 12th century and were otherwise considered the color of Abyssinians and other so called “Indi”.
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Even the Kabyles a notoriously fair-skinned “Berber” people of North Africa are up until the 19th century described as “brown” “apart from a few clans”. (See quotes below). The knowledge that Europeans were changing the complexion literally and figuratively of North Africa up until the 19th century has disappeared from modern European histories. Most know about the large part played by sub-saharan black slaves in the making of modern North Africa and Arabia while the white slave trade which was in fact dominant trade in North Africa until the fall of Constantinople (Istanbul in Turkey) in the 15th century had been largely ignored in historical writings of the 20th. Yet it was only a few centuries ago that Europeans visiting North Africa commenting on the fact that, “on almost every street of the cities of Barbary, Europeans could be seen harnessed to carts like draught horses or selling water from jars loaded on the backs of donkeys”.
1809 Commentary on those called “Moors” by an early 19th century observer: “They carry the Christian captives about the desert to the different markets to sell them for they soon discover that their habits of life render them unserviceable , or very inferior to the black slaves of Timbuktoo. “ from An Account of the Empire of Marocco, by J. G. Jackson published 1809 and 1814.
2003 – “From 1500 to 1650 when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy more Europeans were taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas. See, Robert Davis Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800, MacMillan Publishers, published 2003.
The impact of the white slave trade and its contribution to the modern biology and appearance of the modern North African stems from before the Arabian and Muslim waves into Africa. The Roman ruler Claudian spoke concerning Gildo, the “Moorish” ruler of Africa and treatment of Roman women from the Levant by this North African chief and his countrymen:
4th century – Claudian wrote, “ when tired of each noblest matron Gildo hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage city must needs mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian as a son-in law, a Berber as a husband. The hideous hybrid affrights its cradle.” Claudian, by Claudius Claudianus, translation by Maurice Platnauer, Published by G.P. Putnam’s sons, 1922 p. 113. (Gildo was brother to other Berber chiefs Firmus and Maseczel. Gildo is related to Aguellid or Galdi which remains the modern Tuarek word for chief. Masek, Amazigh ot Imoshagh was the name for the ancient and modern Tuareg clans in general. The Mezikes tribes were called “Ethiopians” in a Roman text of the time. )
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1stt c. A.D. – “Diodorus Siculus speaks in reference to the expedition of Agathocles a Sardinian general, of three Libyan tribes on the coast of Tunisia, the Micatani and Zufoni (see Zafan ),who were nomads and the Asfodelodi, who by the color of their skin resembled the Ethiopians” , p. 50 The Mediterranean Race Book XX, 38, 57 Guiseppe Sergi, 1901. The Micatani were also called Ukutameni and Khethim by Josephus. In later writings they are called Ketama Berbers. The name Maketa or Imakitan remains a name for the eastern branches of the Tuareg.
1st century A.D.– Marcus Valerian Martial was one of the earliest Europeans to use the phrase “woolly hair like a Moor” in one of his Satires, and the phrase was commonly used up until the Middle Ages. See Nature Knows No Color Line by J.A. Rogers, 1952. p. 50 The Muslim era didn’t begin until the birth of Muhammed, the Prophet, over four centuries after Martial. By the 7th century the word came to be used for Arabians who in the early era of Islam for the most part were also described as of near “black” complexion.
1st century Silius Italicus also describes the Moors with the term ‘Nigra’ meaning black. In the 3rd century Roman dramatist Platus or Plautus maintained the name Maure was a synonym for “Niger” which was a common term for the word black. 6th century Isidore Archbishop of Seville claimed the word Maure meant black according to Brunson and Runoko Rashidi in “The Moors in Antiquity” in Golden Age of the Moor, 1991.
6th A.D.- Corippus uses the phrase “facies nigroque colorus” meaning faces or appearance of black color to describe the North African Berbers. In his book Johannis, I/ 245.
6th A.D. – Procopius in his History of the Wars book IV contrasting the Germanic Vandals who had settled in North Africa with the Maures claimed the Vandals were not “black skinned like the Maurusioi” . The tribes he classified as Maurusioi are those now classified as ancient Berbers, the Numidians, Masaesyle, Gaitules, Massyles and Mezikes several other “Berber” tribes then settled between Tunisia and Morocco.
After the 8th century the term Moor came to be used for the many Arabian clans who had invaded the Mediterranean and Africa because of their complexions which were the same dark brown or near black to absolutely black color of the Berbers.
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1914 – Archeologists observance of the ancient North Africans portrayed in ancient Egyptian tomb paintings, “The brun Libyan type is the only one portrayed in the Old Empire, the xanthrochroids predominate in the New Empire representations.” P. 40 from The Eastern Libyan Oric Bates The intrusive xanthrochroids…do not appear before the XII dynasty… It safe to say that they were immigrants.” from The Eastern Libyans by Oric Bates Frank Cass publishers 1914. pp. 40 and 41. (These paintings of the ancient Libyans as a brown in color are in the works of Nina Davies.)
1939 – “The extreme long-heads, concentrated in the Hoggar and in parts of the Algerian plateau are the Tuareg and the purer families of ancestral nomadic Berbers, preserving the head form which they brought from East Africa, their Hamitic homeland.” Carleton Coon The Races of Europe, p. 257 1979 reprint.
Five major tribes of Berbers were spoken of by early Muslim writers including the Sanhaja, Masumuda Zenata, Ketama and Goddula which were categorized into dozens of others which in turn were divided into many more. Among them were the early Kabyles originally a group of Sanhaja Berbers. Most descriptions refer to the modern Kabyles as fair-skinned, but in the 19th century and early 20th, descriptions and in fact many photographs depict them as dark and near black. (Photos from the 19th century show both very dark-skinned and near white skinned Kabyle individuals from different villages in the region).
1890 – “The Kabyles or Kabaily of Algerian and Tunisian territories…besides tillage, work the mines contained in their mountains…They live in huts made of branches of trees and covered with clay which resemble the Magalia of the old Numidians…They are of middle stature, their complexion brown and sometimes nearly black.” Written in The Encyclopedia Britannica: Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature Henry G. Allen Company p. 261 Volume I 1890.
1834 The Scotsman Thomas Campbell says, “The Kabyles…dress like the Arabs and a part from a few tribes, are brown complexioned and black haired” p. 109 Barbary and Enlightenment: European Attitudes Toward the Maghreb in the 18th Century, Ann Thomson. Published 1987 by E. J. Bull
A description by Gillebert d’Hercourt in Etudes Anthropologiques sur Soixante-Seize indigenes de lAlgerie in 1865 said the Kabyle crania that were studied were generally dolichocephalic. In fact the physical anthropological studies done on ancient and modern North Africans show that early North Africans were dolichocephalic like the Tuareg and other dark-skinned berber tribes.
Not surprisingly most modern Berber-speakers who are fair skinned including modern Kabyles are predominantly mesocephalic (middle headed) or even brachycephalic. It is interesting that the dress of these modern Kabyle women resembles that modern women of the Balkans and that palm and blood group types are also like those of European Mediterranean Greeks. Many of these Kabyles also have a strong Turkish influence as judged from the recognizable Turkish Eurasian or even East Asian facial features. Obviously some groups other than a Berber one makes up the main genetic strain in many modern Kabyle-speakers. Culturally the modern fair-skinned Kabyles have been documented as among the most patrifocal people in North Africa whereas the ancient and modern Berbers like the Tuareg were notably matrilineal and matrifocal to the chagrin of early Muslim documenters who considered this among their ‘wicked” customs.
1901 – The Oases if Nafzawa and Wed Suef and Wed Regh and other Berbers of the Sus as “of very dark complexion” in Guiseppi Sergi The Mediterranean Race: The Study of the origin of European peoples The Walter Scott Publishing Company
On the Libyo Berbers called – Gaetules or Jeddala
The Gaitules were the most populous of the Libyan tribes of Strabo’s time (1st century AD). Josephus claimed they were descended from Havilah or the Avalioi who he says children of Kush child of Ham.
1st -2nd century – Juvenal, the Roman writer in his Satire V. 53 referred to “a Gaetulian, as a black a Moor “so black you’d rather not see him at midnight”.. Found in Madan’s translation of Juvenal, vol. I by J. Vincent published at Oxford.
Among the Gaetules were a tribe Dari or Darae Gaetuli, there was also a stream called Daradae Ethiopus (DARAE were a Gaetulian tribe in the W. of Africa, on a mountain stream called Dara, on the S. steppes of M. Atlas, adjacent to the Pharusii. (Plin. V. 1: Oros. i. 2: Leo Afr. P. 602.)
The Draa (Arabic: ???) (also spelled Dra or Draâ, in older sources mostly Darha or Dara) is Morocco’s longest river (1100 km). “The inhabitants of the Draa are called Draawa (an exonym), the most famous Draawi undoubtedly being mawlay Mohammed ash-Sheikh. Outside of the Draa region this name is mostly used to refer to the dark skinned people of Draa which make up the largest portion of its inhabitants.” Retrieved May 13th 2008 from
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Draa-river
Descriptions of the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama, Zenata Berbers of coastal North Africa and the Upper Atlas
Most Arab-speaking historians beginning as far back as the 8th century when Wah ibn Munabihh a South Arabian and descendant of an Iranian mercenary claimed the Berbers belonged to black races of Ham. Several Muslim writers claimed the Berbers were the sons of Berr who were said to descend from Mazigh ibn (son of ) Canaan Ibn Ham Ibn Nuh (Noah). The tradition found cited in Nafousa: Berber Community in Western Libya, Omar Sahli citing Dabbuz. Retrieved on-line from http://www.tawalt.com/monthly/fessato_1.pdf , July. 12, 2008.
The Zenata are called a Canaanite race by other Muslim writers see ‘The Berbers” Geo. Babington Michell, Journal of the Royal African Society, Vol. 2, No. 6 (Jan., 1903), pp. 161-194. The traditions state that in fact Berbers were descendants of Amalekites (Amalek) from Canaan and Himyarite from Yemen both descendants of “Adites” that had invaded Egypt before 1200 B.C. and “advanced toward the Maghreb”.
The Berbers as represented by the Tuareg especially appear to have called themselves Mashek or Mazigh who are associated with bringing the camel into Africa. Mashek is still the name of a tribe of the Mahra of Oman and Hadramaut who also claim an origin in the Yemen.
( In early Arabian tradition the lowland of Canaan or the Kenaniyya tribe was in an area of the western region of Arabia north of Yemen and not farther to the north in modern Palestine or Israel. See the Bible Came from Arabia. Kamal Salibi )
11th century – “The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. Their color is mostly black though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters, active in service, suited both to motherhood and to pleasure, for they are the most solicitous in caring for their children. “ 11th century the Christian Iraqi physician Ibn Butlan quoted by historian Bernard Lewis.
11th century – Nasr i Khusrau, an Iranian ruler described the Masmuda soldiers of the Fatimid dynasty as “black Africans”. See Yaacov Lev, “Army, Regime and Society in Fatimid Egypt, 358-487/968-1094″, International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies, 19.3 (1987) p. 342.
13th century – Primary Cronica General of Alphonso X of Spain describes the 300 Almoravid “Amazon” women whose leader is described as black and Moorish. They were “led by their leader Nugaymath al-Tarqiyya (the “star of the Tuareg archers” in Arabic) who led the Almoravid siege of Valencia”; cited in Nubian Queens in the Nile Valley by Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban, Ninth International Conference of Nubian Studies, Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, USA. See also The Berbers in Arab Literature by H.T. Norris 1982.p. 20. Harvey , L.P. “Nugaymath Turquia, Primera Cronica General, Chapter 956” Journal of Semitic Studies 13, no. 2:232. Targiyyat or Targiya is a variant form or pronunciation in North Africa for the name Tuareg. 13th or 14th century Abu Shama, a Syrian, described the Masmuda Berbers as “blacks” in his, Kitab al-Ravdatayn. Found in Golden Age of the Moor, 1991 edition p. 57, edited by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima.
14th – The Almoravid or Al Murabitun dynasty coming from the Atlas was one of the last dynasties coming from Africa to rule in the Iberian peninsula. One of the 11th century rulers of Andalusia and North Africa was Yusuf Tachfin who had come from a long line of miltary rulers. According to “Roudh el-Kartas” (History of the Rulers of Morocco) by Abd Allah, and A.Beaumier’s French translation of the 14th century work, Yusuf was of “brown color”, of “middle height” with , “ thin, little beard, soft voice” and “woolly hair”. The Almoravid dynasty was supposedly composed mainly of Sanhaja clans of Massufa, Joddala (Gaetuli) and Lamtuna (or Auelimidden Tuareg)- the Auelamidden have since moved southward and live in Niger.
Queen Dana
Your research work is simply excellent. Irrefutable. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
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Jahdey
Jahdey thanks for the complement but i think you will find that the real queen is Africa and it’s gift to humanity which was knowledge of the cosmos in relationship to the human soul and psyche and its evolution which will soon be known again in the world.
Dana
Yes African Lioness, I hear your roar!!!
Jahdey
some light skined berbers in ancient times long before the turkish invasion :
Jugurtha
Apuleius
st augestine of hippo
septimus severus
Ramses II ( prooved that he was from libya not egypt and the test on his mummy prooved he was a caucasian )
Masinissa : also potrayed as white
Monica of Hippo : was the mother of augestine and she was white according to the descriptions….
Tariq ibn Ziyad
Ibn Battuta
etc……
i will proove to you the apperance of the moors in spain according to MOORISH perception …
Ramses was not a caucasian he was a BLACK NUBIAN , here is a recent study published by Egyptians and with ADN Test ( not a false hair testing by LOREAL).
Arabs have NOTHING to do with ANCIENT KEMET (Egypt) :
Here is the link in French :
http://freenet-homepage.de/freezama/mop/Lettre_du_Caire_58_Du_25_4_Au_1er_5_2000.htm
See the article “CERTAINS TRAITS GENETIQUES DES EGYPTIENS ANCIENS ” in English : ” GENETIC FEATURES OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS” :
The most important parts of this article:
” …Within the framework of the researches made by the University of Cairo in association with the superior Council of antiquities, it was possible to reach the anthropological characteristics of the Pharaohs…”
“…According to the preliminary indications, we reached a certain number of genetic features of the Pharaohs. It was possible to determine the genes of the size, the skin colour and the color of eyes and hair of king in the Pharaonic period samples of which were taken. They were taken on mummies placed in sarcophaguses…”
“…Their size (ancient pharoahs) was rather average, with the exception of Ramses II whose analysis of the genes proved that he was tall. It was also demonstrated that his skin was brown and that its hair were black, and not a red-haired person. The red color which was found on its mummy is due to a dye (probably of the henna). His eyes were black with a light tint of brown color…”
“…Amenhotep III was short of size , the color of the skin was of a light brown. The eyes and his hair were of dark black color. These features prove that kings were similar. All kings in this period had a common origin in the family tree of the royal family…”
Some Egyptologists ( Arabs like Zahi Hawass the falsifier and Europeans ) said that Ramses II was caucasian because he was a raid haired person , it has been proved that it was henna.
Even if it had not due to henna, you have PLENTY of black raid haired person in Africa. In MALI you have black ebony people with NATURAL raid hair.
And Lybia is full of black men, south lybians were Ethiopians ( the Tehenous) , and the south lybians of nowadays are blacks or brown skinned men. The senegalese Egyptologist and Scholar gave enough proofs in his book :
“RACINES ÉTHIOPIENNES DE L’EGYPTE ANCIENNE” or ” ETHIOPIAN ROOTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT”
The ancient Lybians were Ethiopians or Black Men. They were Africans.
The Lybian Pharoah disnasty started with Osorkon and Sheshonq , and they were kicked out by the true Pharaohs of Egypt: those of African heritage.
The term “Black Pharoah” is a nonsense because a Pharoah is by essence an African or a Black men, not an European, an Asiatic, an Arab or a white Berber…
I went to the Petrie Museum in London, and NARMER was an African or black man. And at this time (OLD KINGDOM) Egyptians used AFRO COMBS….
Ancient Egyptians called Europeans , Semites and Asiatics by these following names :
“Those who walk on all four as animals ”
“Runners of Sand”
“Leper”
“Cursed”
“Looters”
“Thieves”
“Cursed Asian”
SO PLEASE…..
those names are replacement names for us ,thats why brother nehesy is correct in all he says ,but the morrocons say they didnt have that there an thats what they learned here ,for example they said they never saw white bible pictures till they came to america.the ancient maps actually say south asia minor ,north asia minor,so thats where akebulan gets the asiatic tag,noi taught of the asiatic black man meaning we were the asiatics .yacoub was a north asiatic black man ,once again a person who thinks they white cause of red ruddy skin wrote all of this.this is sordid mental sorcery practiced by ok ill call em the lights but not whites cause they not noble cause they skin has no carbon.thats the spell so a melanated one istaught he is beneath the creator,christian symbolis white an they tie that in with their skin to make them gods chsen people in their books we follow.ancient egyptions huh,im in the ancient egyption order,ancient egyptions were moors an thats the order the masons take from 360 to 33 zoser was a moor imhotep was a moor,,masonry is moorish science an didnt come with the holy koran.we arefrom ruth of the moabites or maob.first moors fro lower nile valley wher civilzation began.all of you people with positive blood ,monkey gene blood have the yacoub grafted monkey gene that constitutes the caucasion race,blue green eye rnd not dna.thewester worldwas infected by the germs of the positive blood from grafting which iswhat is responsible for race which has destroyed the fabric of the planet.the problem is as nehesy points out that you have tried to replace darker kings queens an other nobles with lighterskin imposters which people have to reeact an say no they are black ,this is cause you keep saying they white an none are neither but of course if you want to round off a color by sight you say black but a king or queen is noble so at a funeral christians wear black an at a hospital they wear white.we bought them into the fold an our sons destoyed us thatswhy there is no heaven for them.our forefathers were their forefaathers fathers but theyy coose not to reveal that unnless they in temple with afez on.otherwiseitsall about decieving an amgering yoou bout skin color so they can legally keepland we gave them by calling them the soveregn on our own land.european systems rule africacause africawas conquered by europeans in 204 a.d an thats the first ttime it was called africa after cyprio africaanus.its not aan ancient name as is akebulan they bowed down to their conqueror an called it africa.the mapssay south asia minor.the first maps of america was named terra incognita ,the moorish empire of the weat ,its latin for unknown land ,it was unknowm to coloumbus an he got credit for discovering its existance to isabella an the other king but it was a running functioning govt when they arrived in 1492.moorish republican govt,thats he moors arty .you see the elephant ,like babar the king.it wasstolen from the moors like this land was stolen from the moors.they gottakeep us black they not really white an reclaiming your status means reclaiming your land rule an power in reality.this isthelawthey wrote usout of an made uschattel property title 18 section 241 -242,color of law violations astatute code to be agreed to by the signature,maybe thatswhy they got it cause they created those races with grafting.when allthe land wasstuck together that was called asia minor before water seperated the lands.the grafted man has altered reality time so people argue about it
do yo know the date the franciscan brotherhood created prophet mohammed,you know likejesus from serapisi 324a.d.the islamic wars of the western hemisphere were earlier than the muslim christian wars of europe.islamism destroyed by amale mystery god or sun of god the woman would not bow down toan were calledwwitches ,sorceroros,wellthat just means they stuck with the source of life not what was created to replace it.when talking timesof malee domination you talking periods of ignorance just aswe live in now
the post s are real on rasta livewire,i am impressed an when we try to learn here come some who say the post is wrong ,they werent black they were white cause of the pictures ive seen dey say.theres a picture of a black queen of england thats painted with white paint,theres a painted picture with white paint of a lot of people who had darker skin,jesus is one.a painting is not a picture an the ones that were painted right are rare or destroyed.the earliest paintings of montezuma has him very dark ,by 1800 he is painted with white paint on his face.thats it, the artist is not the photographer.they created a false truth out of our reality.the dark is the light the light doesnt come by itself,doesnt stand by itself,and cannot sustain itself by itself or else all of us would be dead,not needed ,phil valentines black matter dvds mathematically an metaphysically prove it.our anger is created by them like the battery that energizes their existance off of white that they are not.in the english language there are adjectives and nouns.it is them who dared apply the adjective as a noun to reduce a human being to not being human but maintaining the physical strength of a human..white /negro replaced christian muslim an race was activated.grafting created different races yes but they were not labled as such until the last race raised came into power.so as they say it its llike this if you want to be black an white about it.the white muslim man conquered islam took that over yeah,white islamic patgona blondes rebelled an started banner of the cross an fought wars from peru to alaska.see we not even in the europe east yet with religious fights.caucasions are from patagona in origin.our people did cloning ,grafting ,surgery,plumbing,space travel,you know where first universitys were .they lied about the east but they really raped the west an gave the impression it was not civilized.terra incognito is the first name they called the moorish empire when they found it .colon/columbus got credit for informing isabella an the other romanized king in the north of spain.spain was rome after 1492 dont let the name fool you they conquered it an expelled the moors.king juba came here as did many moors cause it says they went back to morocco or africa.nowwwwwwww thats the trick ,this was africa before 204a.d in the west ,america was al morroco al maurikana northwest amexum,we had a name not terra incognito which means un known land .unknown to who ,how is it un known if we lived there when they came,they un known cause we was there first seal on dollar bill proves it ,left side moorish seal 100000 year sold at least,how is 324 a.d jesus anyway 100000 years old no.agents have been dispatched to block your light an keep you in the dark from the motherland for a price an they taking ,bought sold an paid for.the genocide of darker people in africa going on right now by sudanese who are just as dark is an example.they will let them come here an translate arabic for them an do what they want to the people.united nations is illuminati,council of foregn relations is illuminati,,,,,,,,,,,if you can stand to listen to a patriot speak .put the name ,,myron fagan into your search an listen to his audio tapes or devil speaks on devil.he says negro an martin lucifer king thats it about our people the rest is bout illuminati an the protocols of the learned elders of zion.the blueprint of control.peace
It is safe to say their were fair-skinned Berber mixtures at the time of the Romans. Apuleius was a “Roman demagogue” who described himself as “half Gaetulian” and “half Numidian”. It would be highly unlikely that Septimus Severus was anything but a Roman since that is what historians say he was. St. Augustine was of course only half Berber.
It would be interesting to learn of the descriptions or sources that you say are available making Monica, Jugurtha and Massinissa and other early rulers of the Berbers ” fair”. Going by later sculptures of Roman origin which show certain early rulers like Hannibal and Jugurtha which are almost Greek or Germanic in appearance, are hardly the way to determine what the Maures, like the Numidians and Gaitules looked like. Procopius stated the Moors were “black-skinned” and classfied Jugurtha, Massinissa, Juba, Takfarinus and many other early Berber rulers as Maures. Some coins for example said to be that of the General Hannibal look like a Roman while others look quite African. Rameses of course is depicted very Amharic like the American racist Carleton Coon stated which doesn’t mean who couldn’t have had a fair skinned ancestor.
In any case, it is not important whether certain black individuals may or may not have been light skinned in North Africa. The Maures were a predominantly African people closely related to the inhabitants of the horn of Africa, and like them, very dark in appearance according to almost every description. They were as well as strongly matrifocal unlike fair-skinned peoples now calling themselves Berbers.
Lastly the fair-skinned Kabyles which still make pottery and jewelry and possess palm prints and blood groups reminiscent of the Greeks (according to the French racist Gabriel Camps), and whose women dress like they come directly from the Balkans even today, should not be confused with the early Sanhaja which included the brown and “near black” Kabyles whose ancestors are well-documented up unto the 20th century in North Africa by Europeans.
Just to add something about the Moors in Spain. Many of the men of noble cast brought in slaves as the were doing in Arabia. The Moorish rulers from an early period are thus described of various colors and having slaves of many colors. On the other hand the Moors as a group are often described in the literature as black both in Spain France and in Italy. and much of the time they are not speaking of the Berbers but of the Arabians. The word Moor included the Arabians,the Berbers and other blacks from Africa and India (particularly gypsies) not the Syrians Iraqis and Kurds who were converted by them who were also found in Spain and often termed “Saracens”.
Haydn and Beethoven( “the black Spaniard of Bonn” )were referred to as blackamoor (black as a Moor) and Moor not because of their religion but because of the African coloring which is clearly depicted in certain renditions of them.
the moors of the west from 100,000 years agoypu callthem indians ,red indians,the moors of the east all asiatics.the miss interpretationof of a moor being a muslim an roman history ditotrs the tort feasers.moors are washitaw moors ,are there any studies on that in university.in history books when one thinks he /she is reading about the east an africa ,they are readding about the west.that you call moors black is wrong an shows the roman influence which is where allt his story of hisss .alges hiss comes from.our books were burned so only we posess the reality truth .the uni versitys posses the roman albion an gaul truth.the moors were whit nobles,skin color in law does not mean white man at all ,white man means sovereign so the blacks became black when they lost their land not cause they were dark skin,we are olive but euro changed the adjective to a noun which is what light people have done when referring moors corrupting the ingles language .i amnotaadjective an my people shouldnt stand for th pale red ruddy branding them as a crayon box colors to take their land ,sovereignty birthrights an status.college/universitys dnot teach you the truth an you may have one or two degrees but they are all based on whats left of the realty not what is an what was.the platform is baseless meaning im sitting here with a bereber frpm morrocco her name is well thats not important what is is thAT SHE DONT LOOK WIGGERMORE WIGHT TO ME AN SAYS SHE IS NOT.THE WORD MOOR IS ALL ASIATICS ,MANCHURIANS ,HINDUS,NATIVE AMEXUM TURTLE ISLAND AMERICANS.PEOPLE STUDY THE MOORS FROM THE MOORS AN NOT THEIR CHRISTIAN MORISCOE UNDERTAKERS. MONTEZUMAWAS A MOOR AS WAS IMHOTEP.IF YOU LOOK AT NOBLE DREW ALI AN THHE CLOTHES THEY MORE RESEMBLE THE GODEESSS SHIVA THAN 720 A.D ISLAM.THE MUSLIMS UNDERTOOK THE MOORS WE ARE NOT ALL MOHAMMED MUSLIMS AT ALL.JUST THE RED RUDDY MYSTIC TURKS WHO UNDERTOOK MOORISH SCIENCE AS MOHAMMEDISMM.IT IS NOT.WE CAME BEFORE MUHAMMED AN WERE THE SLAVES SOLD BY THE WEST AFRICANS TO THE WEST .WE WERE ALWAYS OVER IN THE WEST ,BRANDED AS INDIANS .THE INDIANS THEY CALL RED WITH CHINTZY EYES COME FROM THE OLMECS AN THE HINDUS OR THE MOORS OF THE INDUS VALLEY WHO CAME BEFORE RELIGION AN MIGRATED TO WHAT WE KNOW KNOW AS INDIA FORMALLY HINDUSTAN.PHILVALENTINE DVD THE COSMIC CODEX FRO JULY 2008 IS WHAT EVERYONE NEED TO WATCH .THEN COME BACK AN DISCISS THE MOORS.WE MUST DISCUSS THE TRUTH .THE WORD BLACK MEANS DEATH NEGRO NOT OF THE LIVING WHEN APPLIED BY ANY ALBION.THATS THE INDICATION OF OUR BOOKSAN PAINT NGS BURNED AN BEING REPLACED BY THE ROMANS.THE RACESWE CREATED NOW ENSLAVE US AN THATS THEIR STORY LIKE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE BEING ASKANASH YIDDISH.THEY ARE DESRIBED AS BLACK BY FAKE WHITE WRITERSAB SCRIBESOF THE DAY AFTER THE MOORS FELL.IN WHOS LITTTER RAPTURE ARE WE DESCRIBED AS BLACK.PEOPLE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE TELLYOU WHO AN WHAT YOU ARE THEN THEY HAVE TO FEELY YOU TO BE INFERIOR.THEY INSIS ON TELLING YOU ABOUT BYOURSELF EVEN THOUGH IRS NOT YOUR STORY ,YOUR REALITY ITS THEIRS.EUROPE WAS THE LAST LAND THE MOORS RULED AKA MODERN HISTORY FAKING AS ANCIENT.THE EUROPEANSWERE ALLMOORS BEFORE THE COMVERSION THE CHRISTIANITY.WE GAVE OUT ALL RELIGIONS TO THE SLAVS WE RAISED.THEIR BIBLE EVEN HARS THAT THE PEOPLE WERE GRAFTED BY JACOB WHO IS YACOUB.IM NOT LISTENNG TO ANY STORIES OF THE GRAFTEES .ASK THE THE GRAFTERS FOR CLARIFICATIONS.BLACK A MOOR WENT TO INDIAN THEN NEGRO COLORED ,NEGRO ,AFRO AMWSERICAN,BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN ALL OF WHICH ARE SLAVE BRANDS IN LAW A 13 14 AMENDMENT IS 6TH CLASS CITIZENSHIP.THIS IS OUR LAND RIGHT HERE AN THAT YOU KEEP CALLING PEOPLE BLACK INDIVIDUALS SHOWS THAT THEIR IS NO KNOWLEDGE OF MOORISH SCIENCE IN YOUR SSTUDIES JUST ROMAN HISTORY KNOWLEDGE OF THE MOORS AFTER THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN BY CHRISTIANITY WHICH HAS TO MAKE USALL MUSLIMS LIKE THEWY TOOK US FROM NOBILITY CLASS TO PEASANTRY CLASS TO REP-LACE THEM DOWN THERE.THEY THE RED RUDDY ARE CLONED FROM THE TROGLYDYTE CHIMPANZEE MONKEY OF NIGER AN ARE NOT CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM SELF.THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THATS WHERE THEY GOT THE N-WORD FROM TO CALL US ,CAUSE THATS WHAT THEY WERE BEING THE MONKEY WAS FROM AKEBULAN OR AFRICA AS YOU CALL IT NOW.THERE IS MUCH THEY HAVE HIDDEN FROM ALL ESPECIALLY THE WOMAN WHO THINK THERE IS A MALE GOD OOR FATHER SON HOLY GHOST.THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT CANNOT BE DOING ANYTHING MOOR THAN CASTING SPELLS ABOUT THE INTERNET AN UNIVERSITYS.STUDY NOBLE DREW ALI ,EMPRESS VERDIACEE AN CM.BEY FOR YOU TRUE REALITY.CLOSE WITH PHILVALENTINE FOR THE OVERALL VIEW METAPHYSICALLY.A NOUN IS NOT AN DJECTOVE UNLESS ONE AGREES TO IT.THATS MAKES A SLAVE TODAY THE AGREEMENNT TO IT.SIGING A PAPER IN A EURONAME AN CHECKING THHE BRAND MAKES ONE BLAK NOT THE HUE OF EBONY IN THERE SKIN.THIS DISCUSSION ISABOUT SKIN COLOR ,THE BIGGEST SPELL IN EXISTANCE TODAY.THE MOORS ARE NOT NEGRO. COLORED BLACK OR AFRICAN american in the law we are all asiatics an frEe white persons of oUR LAND.AUOTMAIC FREE AN ACCEPTED MA-SUNS MOTHERS SUNS MASONS AS KNOW TO THE CORRUPTED PUBLIC.THE BEREBERS AN ARABIANSECT ALL COME FROM US AS DO ALL RELIGIONS .ALL COMES FROM MOORISH SCIENCE AN THE LEADERS OF THE WORLD PRACTICE IT AN NOT RELIGION THAT THEY GAVE THE 85%.LISTEN TO THE POOR RIGHTIOUS TEACHERS.I SELF LORD AM MASTER IS ISLAM NOT MOHAMMEDISM OF MODERN DAY MOORS CORRUPTED AS MUSLIMS NOT MUSCLES TISSUES AN BONESWHICH ISAL MUSLIM REALLY MEANS., ROTTEN TISSUES AN CREATED FALSE ISSUES LIKE RACE.RELIGION AN MIND CONTROLIS NOT MOORISH SCIENCE.THESE NATIN STAE COLONIES NAMES CAME AFTER MOORISH SCIENCE AN BRIGHT BEING RIGHT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WHITE.THEY EVEN KNOW SKIN COLOR DONT MEAN WHITE BUT THATSTHE LIETHAT PEOPLE ARE MEASURE AN RULED WOITH SO THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT ASLONG AS WE LET THEM ANPARTICIPATE BY SAYING WE ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN.I WAS AMERICAN BEFORE I WAS AFRICAN MEANING OUR PEOPLE WERE IN THE EAST BEFORE IT WAS NAMED AFRICA IN 204 A.D.SOME OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS TIGHT BUT ITS UNIVERSITY LEVEL NOT THE MASONIC SCIENCE LEVEL SO THE HIDDEN IS NOT KNOWN BY YOU BUT IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO KNOW WITHOUT TALKING INITIATION INTO SECRET SOCIETIES.THERE WERE NO WHITE OR BLACK PEOPLE SKIN COLOR UNTI LAFTER THE MOORS LOST EUROPE IN 1492.NEGRO FIRST PUT IN BOOK IIN 1705.MODERN HISTORY.DOLLAR BILL AN MASONRY INTIATION WITH THE KORAN IS PROOF OF THE CORROUPTION AN THEFT OF OURSTORY.WHY WASOUR FEZS STOLEN BY THE MASONS AN SHRINERS .BLUE LODE RED LODGE ARE EUROPEANS NOT FROM EGYPT.3 DEGRESS RULES 360.360 REDUCED BELOWZERO,SUB FREEZING OF THE BRAIN
NUMIDIANS CONQUERED HANNIBLE FOR CYPRIUS AFRICANNUS IN 204 A.D HENCE THE BEGINNING OF AFRICA BEING CALLED IN THE EAST,,ANCIENT NAME IS AKEBULAN .AFRICA INDICATES THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND ENSLAVED BY EEUROS SO THATS THE BEGINNING OF SLAVE Y BY THE EUROS IN AFRICA.THE EUROPE IS QUEEN EUROPAWHIC YU KNOW SO THERE GOD ISSATURN OR ZEUES OR MOLOCH OR BAALOR BAPHOMET WHICH THEY BRING TO CHURCH SUNDAY MORNING AS JESUS
OUR MAGIC FRO AKEBULAN WHICH CAME FROM OUR MOTHERS ISWHAT THEY USE TO CNTROL US RIGHT KNOW.MADUKES KNOWLEDGE STOLEN WITH HE BEING THE CREATOR.IF THE HISTORIAN CHRISTIAN BELIEVES IN A MALE GOD THEN THE STORY IS A LIE THAT HE TELLS THE PEOPLE.ITS A CREATE MASONIC SECRET NOT A REAL ONE.THERE WERE NO WHITE PEOPLE OS SKIN COLOR UNTIL THEY DEVISED WAYS NEVER TO LOSE THE WHITE SKIN COLOR POWER PRIVILEDGEV THEY SET UPWITH KKK, KNIGHTSOF COLUMBUS AN THE D.A.R. ALONG WIT FEMINISMTO DESTROY THE MORRISH WOMAN LIKE QUEEN LATIFA WHO THEY TOOK OFF HER CROWN BY FIRE TO WEAR BLONDE HAIRLIKE THE GODESS COLUMBIA
dr phil valentine .the wouned womb an the cosmic codex dvd must be seen by all
study shiva lingum, the religious an iconic symbolization of shiva linga,known today as 12 thcentury hiduism.hadwa domclaims it didnt exist till 1830 an was created by an englishman.starting to sound like islam an christianity being created by franciscan brother hood according to moors.this was practiced by the people is the indus valley who migrated north to hindustan practiced this 2000 years earlier than any religion existe.hindustan was the ancient name of the nation state india,manchuriais now nation state china an ,but dom says the hindu religion is fairley new.now look at the hari krishna religion.look at noble drew alis head wear an sister beys which resemble shiva.the clothes worn by msta in the 20sare not islamic.the headress especially.there are many many moorish scholors from the usa that are not listened to.they turned us from scholors out to colors.the knowledge of sister dana is lacking in our youth for we could have been shown this long ago an not have to put the pieces of the puzzle together from fragments of knowledge we have taken back from massive research in to the lies history.when we disagree its from some history that we have read or learned from the learn-ed ones in universitys of masonic professors.our own have also given uswhat they have been allowed an when they break covenat they are killed before we get too hear what they have learned.khalid muhammed,macom x,father allah,killed by our own when they really found out the reality of islam for us and bilal the negro slave of muhammed as he is described in elementry school books of the muslims of the east.bilal was a moor ,but most of all they learned an were raised by his people who was then enslaved an forced to convert just like christianity.bilal had i.s.l.a.m. an was forced to convert to mohammedism.notice hoit seemswe have no objection to slavery by muslims but objection to christian color slavey which is only from say 1500 started across the board.ancient egyptions a asiatics are moorswe all were mmors the the grafted moors took the fez to temple in europe an the knowledge flowed from there ever since.into each of the branches of the symbolic snake representing ceberus the three headed guardian angel of hell ,each head represents judaism christianity an mohammed islam though all claim to be against the devil.king juba fled spain in 1492 with solomons treasure to terra incognito ,the moorish empire of the west as coloumbus knew it was .they foundking jubas treasure in illinois ,chicago area.columbus/colon set of chasing in october .the column in this blog about the black arabs shows who the arabs were which is usa n the red ruddy sadaam mystic turks who invaded an replaced us in the middle beast they call it.we fle in 641 a.d once again from kemet ,we were expelled ,the west africans later sold us into slavery to the europeans as the europreans sold their own to us in the times of the golden age of the moor.they sold uis there women an we impregnated their woman giving you the so called white skined anything in north aKEBULAN OR THE MIDDLE EAST.MUHAMMED ALI INVADED MORROCCO YES FROM EUROPE.MOORISH SCIENCE IS ASTROLOGY COSMOLOGY DIVINE LAW MATHEMATICS NOT RELIGION BUT THE ALCHEMY OF IT .THE REMOVAL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ALCHEMY IS WHATS LEFT TO THE PEOPLEW KNOW.BLIND FAITY WITHOUT REAlity of origin of.this creates thought over know which creates conflict.no arrgument when 2=2is 4the real knowlege is one way this way not infinite but complete
do we not come from the asiatic womban north an south.history has to much emphasis on men as does religion.heavy research still fails to uncover the story of the banner of the cross an the european attack on the free thinking woman killed cALLED WITCHES FOR NOT BOWING TO A NEW FANGLED MALE GOD. or the patagona blondes.THE MORE YOU DIG THE MOOR YOU GET WOMAN AN MEN REPLACING HER AN THEN MEN REPLACING OTHER MEN BY SKIN TONE TO KEEP A FALSE CREED ALIVE OUTSIDE OF THE LAW CHANGING NOUNS FROM ADJECTIVES AN BRANDING US WITH THE LOWER END TO STEAL OUR LAND AN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HATE.OUR REALITY IS 360 ON THE GLOBE BUT THEY TOOK MOORS FROM US TOLD US THEY WERE WHITE,TOLD USWE WASSLAVES AN BLACK AN THE RED MAN WAS ON THIS LAND FIRST.CALLED US COLORED,AN THE N WORD ALL OF WHICH WE USED TO CALLTHEM FIRST .THATSWHERE THEY GOT IT FROM .WHO TURNS RED AN BLUE WHEN ANGRY OR CHOKING.THE RED IS UP IN MY SKIN SO HARD I AM DARK BROWN BUT THEIR BLOOD SITS UNDER THE SKIN SO FARTHEY HAVE NO MELANIN ON THE SURFACE ONLY INSIDE THE BLACK HOLES OF THE EURO BODY.IF NOT THE EURO WOMAN COULDNT REPRODUCE CHILDREN AN WOULD NOT EXIST.WE CREATED MANKIND WHO IN TURN CREATED THEIR MALE GOD THAT WE FOLLOW THE FATHER CHANGED FROM THE MOTHER.ALL THE MOORSWHO WORSHIP MALE ALLAH RELIGIION FIRST ARE NOT MOORS BUT THEY ARE MUSLIMS
THAT COME FROM MOORS,SO THEY ALWAYS WILL BE OF THEIR ORIGIN THAT CONVERTED TO A MYSTERY MALE GOD.THE TRANSLATERS OF RELIGIONS FOR EXAMPLE DID IT FROM A MALE POINT OF VIEW FROM THE MATERNAL..HELENA BLAVATSKY EXPOSED THIS IN ISIS UNVEILED AN THE SECRET DOCTRINE IN THE LATE 1800S EXPOSING THE MEN AS FRAUDS .BOOK OF ISIS =BOOK OF GENISES STOLEN.HE CHANGED FROM SHE IN BIBLE STORYS
DNA Evidence of the Black Moors in Spain:
“Human mitochondrial DNA diversity in an archaeological site in al-Andalus: Genetic impact of migrations from North Africa in medieval Spain”
Text :
“Mitochondrial DNA sequences and restriction fragment polymorphisms were retrieved from three Islamic 12th-13th century samples of 71 bones and teeth (with >85% efficiency) from Madinat Baguh (today called Priego de Cordoba, Spain). Compared with 108 saliva samples from the present population of the same area, the medieval samples show a higher proportion of sub-Saharan African lineages that can only partially be attributed to the historic Muslim occupation. In fact, the unique sharing of transition 16175, in L1b lineages, with Europeans, instead of Africans, suggests a more ancient arrival to Europe from Africa. The present day Priego sample is more similar to the current south Iberian population than to the medieval sample from the same area. The increased gene flow in modern times could be the main cause of this difference. Am J Phys Anthropol 2006 (c) 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc”
The Link:
http://www.bio.uio.no/forskning/db01-news/internet/html/nr100025.html
The Almoravides and Almohades dynasties were mainly subsaharan Africans.
Yusuf Ibn Tashfin was a Soninke by his mother, The African kings from tekrour namely, IBRAHIMA SALL and WAR DIABY N’DIAYE with their troops invaded Spain along with him.
BUT if you read a book written by a North African/European, it would say , yes there was black in Spain but merely slaves and mercenaries. But SCIENCE (DNA) do not lie…
nehesy catches them out there AGAIN AN AGAIN no dispute can be made.thats as mathematically sound as we can get beyond a reasonable doubt an dr oyibo WITH g.a.g.u.t.,they write what we are an us out of intelligence.they created black to mea slave an referto us a that each time they call it,nehesy has shown you there lies how they say the black wasslaves.this means that the serfsor albion peasants werent white causeof they skin by howthey wrote what blkack was afterward.after they made us wards.on this blog i read that the akebulan people were in spain long before the muslim invasion.the pictures showe two nubians on muslim an one christian fighting in 711 a.d invasion of spain.see how they misuse the word black to only invilve us as slaves an makeas if there was a fake white creedat that time.any present writing are written wrong for masinic purposes.search angelo soliman the first moorish mason who hung out in rome with kings.schoolbooks say ,,join us aswestep back in time to the days of imposing castles high on the bluffs.knights in armour defendindthe king dom an noblemen ruling over serfs.we the moors then called black a moors were the noblemen always how would we be sefs in a foriegn land if we wasnt slaves or slavs as they were in europe.they have replaced us an their form of dna has done thewm in causethey got rna ,,recessive an that show when they go back far like that an get dna which really only the carbon skin have on the outsideskin.the dna proves the skinwasnt red ruddy pale so it wasnt them first aanywhere an they write they books to relace us in our time in our stoy with hizzzzzztory.my egyption name given to me is zoser nehisi hotep,they spell egipt without a y so nehesy is the same is nehisi/nehesy king of 14th dyanasty egipt.if so then its the reason we came together here on this subject in which allllll of this new information is needed.nothing you have read from me , king nehesy or dana can be eliminated as false an not 100%reality.there books rewritten use the word black as a slave term an a code for when we the moors fell.yes king brother nehesy we were in spain as christians actually wayyyy before the mohammed muslims rolled in there, when they were serfs they were black an thats the classthey gave us an switched classwith hue of skin to lock in the class of noble white to their red ruddy skin to hold power in the law they wrote from ours.when the king is giving comments we must listen an overstand as a group.these are ancient akebulan/africanfacts hidden by the german prussia public school system.peace be upon nehisi dana an my brother jah day,we have accomplished a lot here an no arguments this time from the peanut gallery,skeptics a doubters.if they they are listening now to us debate the facts then we are incontrol of our ,our our knowledge again.shukran to all of you an especially RASTA LIVEWIRE for providing the space,/table for us to operate on our peoples brains.I WAS HONORED TO COMMENT WITH MASTER NABA AN AM HONORED TO COMMENT WITH THESE GREAT RESEARCHERS AN FREE ERSOF OUR PEOPLES MIND.THIS TAKES OUR BRAINS OUT OF LOCKDOWN.peace to all of you
the last paragraph nehesy gives says it all,they cannot tell us who we are anymore an those euro north africans are the biggest liers about us on this planet cause they no better an get paid to perpetrate a fraud about us on us
Peace Brother Terrell Ali
As you said Nehesy was a king in Egypt during the 14 th dynasty, and the “Nehesy” were the Nubians.
The European Egyptologists liars translate the “Nehesy” by ” Negro” or “black african” , but in the sacred language (Medu Neter) of old Egypt (Kemet) , Nehesy means ” he who sing the praises ” or for many individuals ( In the plural) : ” Those who sing the praises”.
It confirms the Greeks sayings about the great faith of the Old Ethiopians ( actual Soudan), they believed in God will all their heart and didn’t oppress people.
Any Pharoah who looks TOO MUCH like an “african” is classified nubian by these liars…This is why they say the face of Narmer represents in reality a king from the 2nd Dynasty… This “Negro” face can’t be a representation of the first king of TA-MERY….
The word for black was “Kem” and it was the most beautiful epithet for ancient Kemites or Kamites ( fasely called Egyptians because they didn’t know the world Egypt which from the Greeks, our students).
The Nehesy were the forefathers of the Kemites / Kamites (Old Egyptians) this is why I like this name .
Narmer (Mina) the African king from soudan ( The African King smith master and Craftsman) proceed to the reunification of the South and the North of Egypt. Djoser/Zoser and his great Djaty (Vizier ) Imhotep came also from Soudan the root of Egyptian civilisation. They were all Nehesys or Nubians…
Narmer (Mina) raised the town Huw-Ka-Ptah ( Memphis) in order to honor the Master of all the Craftsmen and Architects : PTAH the great ancestor.
But as I said early , lies are taught in every European school in the world and they spread their lies in all over the world.
In Paris, when you visit the Louvres Museum, The old Egyptian section is full of African faces , nevertheless the French Egyptologists “sholars” [liars], say that they were mulattoes lol.
They still refuse a TV debate with all the African Egyptologists in Paris because they know, they’ll be humiliated.
In the Sir Flinders Petrie Museum in London , it’s full of pictures of the Ptolemy Dynasty in order to deceive the people, but when you look at the art : Pottery, Knives , Jewels , Sandals, Afro combs, it’s looks like an African village….
When I first visited the museum a Jamaican brother who is working there, told me ( regarding the numerous Ptolemy pictures…) : ” They are falsifiers brother, but we do know the truth”…
I saw in that Petrie Museum sandals , jewels for women (like some in my country they name them “Bean Bean”), knives and Pottery that you can see right now in Africa.
The Only and best weapon we have is knowledge.
Peace be upon you : brother Terrell , sister Dana and to all the brothers and sisters.
one thing to correct the mancurians are in the ancient mix with the olmecs an hindus.let me not forget their contribution to this land though they are us.all brown or black eyed people come from the same mother regardless to shade of skin.proof being albinos come from us.we called them albions gauls romans an slavs in ancient times.
So how do you explain the copious images of the Arab Moors/ancient Libyans? And 100% Berber Canary island Guanches; who never saw a European until the Spaniards landed; being described as blond and European looking?
Guanches.. a village whose inhabitants were often fair hair with long and flaxen hair and the women of a rare beauty”
Also ‘being tall with a great many blonds.’ The Canary Islanders are still mostly made up of these people, and they aren’t at all black. All the mummies are shown to have typically north African DNA, yet blond and no negroid traits to them.
The Kabyles were NEVER depicted as dark. In fact Carltoon Coon who you carefully misquote, describes the modern Berber population as being in situ for at least the last 15,000 years
Like all other Berbers, the Riffians include standard Mediterraneans in their tribal populations. Among these Mediterraneans the incidence of elements of blond hair and blue eyes is a bit higher than the usual twenty-five percent. I attribute the slight excess to several factors : isolation in a cloudy and cool mountain habitat and mixture with an older strain. Concentrated in the more isolated tribes in the central Rif, the older strain is characterized by individuals of stocky build, with large heads, broad faces, low orbits, large teeth, and broad noses. While variable in pigmentation, these individuals, who look like Irishmen, run to red hair, green eyes, and freckles. They cannot be explained by any historical invasion of North Africa, real or fancied; the bones of their preagricultural ancestors have been excavated from North African soil in sufficient quantity to confim the local antiquity of the genes which produces them. A broad head, a wide face, a snub nose, freckles, and other individual traits derived from this racial combination may be seen in other Riffians and in other Berber populations. Green eyes, for example, are common among the Middle Atlas Beraber (as anyone who was with the Goums in the last war may remember). Fair hair has been recorded from the Kabyles in Algeria, but actual statistical work shows them to be almost entirely Mediterranean with only a slight excess of blondism.
Carleton S. Coon,
The third discrete racial element in Africa is the Caucasoid, which, as indicated earlier, first entered the continent in massive invasions about 15,000 years ago, certainly from Western Asia and possibly also from Europe. The descendants of those invaders who are still fully or essentially Caucasoid are the Berbers.
Carleton S. Coon
So you either don’t know what you are talking about or you are deliberately lying, when you try to use Coons work to support your ‘black moors’ claim.
You also either decline to point out assorted historical sources point out there were both Ethiopians and Libyans in Libya. So far, you have very carefully eliminated all the descriptions that describe Moors with fair and red hair, the Moorish art that shows them to be like modern Arabs and Berbers. Mostly Caucasian with a minority of black Berbers like the Haratin and Tuareg.
http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html
You also seem ignorant of the fact that the term ‘black’ has only been used for Africans recently. The Jews, Turks and Gypsies were all described as having ‘black’ skins. In older European lanuages anyone with a tan was called black, which was linguistically interchangeable with the terms dark and swarthy. It was quite normal to say someone with a tan had a black complexion right through Europe.
Also, genetic/crania studies have shown modern North Africans to have been the same for at least the past 12,000 years. Even using studies done by renowned black scholars. Like Keita.
Keita stated that “the data supported the comments from ancient authors observed by classicists: everything from fair-skinned blonds to peoples who were dark-skinned ‘Ethiopian’ or part Ethiopian in appearance
You guys msirepresent history to a major degree. Black Africans had only a peripheral involvement in Europe at any time, and were a minority in the moorish armies.
Nehesy doesn’t mention that that l1b mt dna in Iberia is dated to have arrived about 20k ago. AT the same time as the eurasian U clades arrived from North Africa.
12,00o- year old DNA from Morocco shows the same Eurasian mt DNA you find there now.
NO ANTHROPOLOGIST HAS EVER CLAIMED THEY WERE BLACK AFRICANS.
Carleton Coon has expressely said the modern Caucasoid Berbers have been there at least 15,000 years.
You lot lie your nuts off.
“NO ANTHROPOLOGIST HAS EVER CLAIMED THEY WERE BLACK AFRICANS”
How do you know ? The school of Frank Boas says that there was black people in Spain and Portugal , before and after the Moor Invasion of Spain ( see Gilberto Freyre “Masters and Slaves”).
Everybody knows that Coon is a racist/supremacist: The Journal of the History of Biology says about him :
“Segregationists in the United States used Coon’s work as proof that African Americans were “junior” to white Americans, and thus unfit for full participation in American society. The paper examines the interactions among Coon, segregationist [and Coon relative] Carleton Putnam, geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky, and anthropologist Sherwood Washburn. The paper concludes that Coon actively aided the segregationist cause in violation of his own standards for scientific objectivity”
Please read this scientific and objective scientific report:
http://comm.colorado.edu/jjackson/research/coon.pdf
The notion of “race” has been created by racist Europeans, who applied intellectual and civilisation abilities to physical characteristics and features for each “race”. But it is bullshit because this is in Black Africa (East , West , South , Center ) that you can find the “finest physical features” according to the European standards…Go to Senegal, Mali , Ethiopia for example….And it’s not a surprise because Africa is the Motherland of all Mankind…
The Black African Moors in Spain were present specially during the Almoravides and Almohades Dynasties.
Among the Invaders of Spain there were :
“White” and Black Berbers (from MOROCCO) ; Black Subsaharians ( Soninkés, Fulanis , Toucouleurs , Wolofs, Bambaras, Yourubas, Hausas) and Arabs from Arabia (they were the smallest portion of the invaders).
In Muslim Spain there was many conflicts between Berbers (“White” and Blacks), Africans and Arabs. Both parties had Christian allies. This is how they lost Spain.
In Tomboctou [Mali] , there is thousands of books dating from the Middle Age , which belongs to black african families and bequeathed by their Black moors ancestors…You can do your research from google…
Even the modern North African Anthropologists like Malika Hachid (Algeria) say that the first North Africans and berbers were black Africans. If you read french you can buy her books…
If they had denied the Tassili Frescoes are still present in Algeria…
The oldest skulls found in Constantine (KABYLIE) by the French Anthropologist Raymond FURON , characterized the presence of black men , he even called them “NUBIAN SKULLS”…
You’re crying for nothing, even the first Phoenicians (canaanites ) were black men. If you go to the British Museum in the Phoenician section you’ll see it with your own (racist) eyes…The Pharaoh Sa-Nakht ( 3rd dynasty Before Djoser) is also a Fullblooded Negro, his portrait at the British Museumcan’t let any doubt possible.
But you won’t see their pictures in White racist books like those of Coon : his racist theories would happened to be bullshit in the face of the world ( those who study seriously knows it)…
Please pay yourself a trip to London in order to visit the British Museum (Tube Station : Tottemham court Road) and Flinders Petrie Museum ( Tube : Euston) . I don’t know how the hell white guys could use AFRO COMBS for their hairs ?????
Coon is considered as a Non Objective , twisted “scientist” by the majority of his pairs.
Everybody knows that “Race” doesn’t exist scientifically speaking. The school of Boas knew it. The school of Coon denied it in order to persecute people all over the world and specially black people in AmeriKKKa: White men were the king of the world according to this liar ( which is of course bullshit).
You guys don’t know the TRUE STORY of WHITE PEOPLE…If only you knew I think you’d be not very proud….
The French scholar and Egyptologist Christiane Desroches Noblecourt , says that : ” when Egyptian built pyramids , we [Europeans] lived in caves” . And she is white and French…
Could you please explain to us how the kings of the world lived in caves , when African built pyramids ? And semites were also civilized ( Assyrians , Akkadians , Syrians etc) ?
The Berbers were and are still predominantly white. Many of the Berber tribes that populate the Atlas mountains have many individuals with light hair and light to medium skin tone and European features. Some actually look as Nordic as Swedes ( possibly descendants of the Vandals who were Germanicized Vikings).
It is true that some Berber tribes integrated small numbers of blacks from the southern Sahara and the Senegal. Such people were mainly slaves, servants or conscripts in the Moorish armies.
There exist “Berber” tribes that are predominantly black or mixed race, but they are not genetically or ethnically Berbers. These people are only Berber in the cultural sense.
Black Kabyles/Black Berbers
Here is an account from 1834 by Scotman Thomas Campbell: “The Kabyles dress like the Arabs and apart from a few tribes, are brown complexioned and black haired p. 109 Barbary and Enlightenment: European Attitudes Toward the Maghreb in the 18th Century, Ann Thomson. Published 1987 by E. J. Bull.
In 1890 it was observed that: “The Kabyles or Kabaily of Algerian and Tunisian territories besides tillage, work the mines contained in their mountains. They live in huts made of branches of trees and covered with clay which resemble the Magalia of the old Numidians. They are of middle stature, their complexion brown and sometimes nearly black.” from The Encyclopedia Britannica: Dictionary of Arts, Sciences and General Literature Henry G. Allen Company p. 261 Volume I 1890.
Think!
Jahdey
I grew with Algerians and Moroccans in Paris suburbs. I went to Morocco. Many Moroccans lived or studied in my original Country which is Senegal.
Both are “berberized” Arabs.
The Algerians have “fairer” skins , but we must not forget that many Europeans ( conquerors or slaves) , and Asian ( Turks ) came in that country. I have many Algerian friends who look like modern Turks. Algeria was part of the Ottoman empire.
It is true that in the Kabyle population you have many blonds and blue/green eyes. The Blonds berbers do not look like the Scandinavian type because they have often curly hair.
Even if they have “fair ” skins you , or blue eyes ; you can recognize them, this is why they face so much discrimination in France….They look Berbers…
The oldest skulls found in Kabylie (Constantine) by Furon, where those of black people though…
The darkest Algerians are on the South near the city of Biskra. They have curly hair and are often dark. Or in a region like Tindouf.
On the other hand Moroccans are darker than Algerians. You may have the people from the RIFF who sometimes are blond with blue eyes. But it’s very seldom in Morocco.
The Moroccans are dark people, and the more you go in the south, the more you find people who look like some Ethiopians : Silk Hair and Brown skins.
These people feel Africans and marry with subsaharian people willfully like we can see in Paris or in Morocco.
But in the both of them you can find the “European complex”, many of them feel pride when they have a “whiter” skin and blue eyes.
Many of my Berbers friends used Blond Tainting in order to look “whiter” and also for fashion purpose.
Many of my Algerian friends love to be compared with Italians for instance. It’s same for Moroccans , I have a moroccan girl friend from the upper class who says with lot of proud that his Grandmother has blue eyes and fair hairs (châtain), when I said to her that many Moroccans had brown skins , she wanted to cry …sic
The berber culture has his roots in BLACK Africa namely in Ethiopia…Even Berbers know it specially those educated in France or England.
Jahdey.. Northern Europeans with tan were referred to as brown. LMAO. Read some older English Lit and you’d know that, it’s used to describe people who work in the fields. ‘Black’ meant the same skin tone you see in gypsies, you see it in European literature describing the Spanish and Turks as black too. As an example, Africans call some black African groups white, red and yellow skinned. They are all relative to the skin tone of the people involved. If the Europeans had meant ‘black African’ they’d have said ‘Ethiopian’.
Nehesey… Malilka Hachid..the lady who said that ‘ to be Libyan thus meant to be a white African, but not Egyptian’.
“Etre Libyen signifiait donc être africain et blanc, mais non égyptien.”
CAUGHT YOU LYING Nehesey
Raymond Furon .. you said was an ‘anthropologist that said they were black/nubian’.. . is a geologist. The skulls were from the Paleoithic, before the neolithic farmers from the near east arrived, and were essentially mixed race., not unlike Nubians and Ethiopians. You also either don’t know or don’t mention that these people have been studied and found to be intermediate to Europeans and Africans since, and many of the skulls showed NO negroid affinites at all, only some of them did. Again, something you’ve made up.
CAUGHT YOU LYING . AGAIN. Nehesey.
DNA from 12,000 year old bones in Morocco is all Eurasian, and exactly matches modern North coast Berbers, the whitest ones around. Not a sign of sub Saharan mt DNA to be found in coastal North Africa 12k ago. The crania were studied too.
The Terminal Pleistocene and Early Holocene Populations of Northern Africa.
COLIN P. GROVES AND ALAN THORNE 1999
Abstract:
We studied three northern African samples of human cranial remains from the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary: Afalou-bou-Rhummel, Taforalt, and Sudanese Nubia (Jebel Sahaba and Tushka), and compared them to late Pleistocene Europeans and Africans. Despite their relatively late dates, all three of our own samples exhibit the robusticity typical of late Pleistocene Homo sapiens. As far as population affinities are concerned, Taforalt is Caucasoid and closely resembles late Pleistocene Europeans, Sudanese Nubia is Negroid, and Afalou exhibits an intermediate status. Evidently the Caucasoid/Negroid transition has fluctuated north and south over time, perhaps following the changes in the distribution of climatic zones
FYI: European slaves taken during Arab slavery tabout 1.5 million. Black African slaves taken during Arab slavery about 15 million. So if anything the North Africans are darker than they used to be, having about ten times more slave ancestry from black Africans than Europeans
Berber culture has bugger all to with Ethiopia. I’d laugh my ass off again but Jahdey already had it off earlier. If you’d ever actually read any of Hachid’s books you’d know that – and you wouldn’t have lied and said she claimed they were all black.
As for Coon, I was just pointing out that Dana was making out that he claimed the North Africans were black, which he didn’t . Tell her off. Take a look at some of the more recent studies of ancient North Africans by modern anthropologists and they all have the similar conclusions as him regarding Berbers anyway. Even Keita, a notably black man points out that a lot of the NA crania are typically European.
I’d also like to point out that whatever that french Egyptologist said, there were small Trypllian cities with two storey houses in SE Europe before agriculture even appeared in Africa, and Europeans were living in small huts in the Neanderthal era. Odd you chose her, as she has written a book on Ramses that includes a description of him as a white Libyan with red hair. And on the subject of ancient Europe; copperworking was developed in SE Europe 7,500 years ago, and the oldest cites and sites of plant domestication are in Turkey. African domestications appear after farmers with Turkish crops appear in Africa. There is also a 11,500 year old stone temple in Turkey.
Essentially, modern Western Civillisation came from the Anatolians, not black Africans.
There’s a notable abscence of any art from North Africa on this page – I wonder why LOL. Let me correct that.
mathildasanthropologyblog
As you’ll notice, none of the Byzantine or Roman era art shows any black Africans in coastal cities. Not even as slaves, galdiators, servants, nobles or workers. In fact, some rather obviously white women with fair and red hair are shown in the Tassili rock art from the BC era.
“The Canaanites were black”.
Thank you. Anyone reading this will know you a madder than a hatter from that comment.
I have to go into the British museum on regular basis, I have seen the combs. I have also seen the mummies with their fine, wavy, typically Caucasian hair. I also have studies of the hair and crania and teeth that describe Egyptians as mainly typically Caucasoid north Africans. Afro combs my arse.
BTW, I never said none of the Moors were black, but they were a minority as the artwork of them clearly shows, and many were brought from places as far away as Mali, which is hardly North Africa. The black tribes are specifically described by the Spanish as they kept a record of what went to whom when the land was being divvied up after the conquest. Most of the tribes weren’t black though, and the Y DNA left in North Africa is pretty specific to white North coast Berbers (E3b2).
I’m curious Nehesy… Do you just lie non stop to make out that you are right or are you just parroting stuff someone has told you? Check your sources next time.
Zsazsa or chahca
Listen up and become wiser. Northern Europeans are an albino race. The English are called the treacherous Albinos by the French. Your recessive gene results in a skin shade that is pinkish or yellowish. There is no Northern European that ever had a brown skin except the children African peoples had with pink skinned people of Northern Europe. I mean to say that there can be no brown in a Northern European unless an African had slept with his mother. Caught you out on that eh?
Secondly, the term Euro-Asia does not refer to pink skinned people. throughout this website, it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the first Europeans were African migrants who crossed the Red Sea, then moved through Anatolia into Europe. The other migrational wave moved through Libya and Morocco into Spain, Greece and Italy. It is called the capsian culture, or the mauro-Iberian culture. See Journey of Man by Spencer Wells; See also, P. Underhill.
The first of your so-called white (actually pink)ancestors only appeared between 6,000 years ago to 3,000 years ago. Before then my little dreamer girl, it was a Black man’s world. so anytime we are talking about a time span of 7,000 years ago and beyond, please re-orient your little mind to see a world full of Black men and women without no pink skins. Pink skin only appeared hundreds of thousands of years after the first African brown skins as a result of genetic mutation. See The Original Africans of Europe, by Oguejiofo Annu http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-africans-of-europe-by-ogu-eji-ofo-annu/
Terms such as “Caucasiod” have been de-nuded of any scientific validity and to the extent that “caucasiod” is still relevant it does not refer to pink skin. It refers to a skull type which is more predominant in people’s of colour than in pinkish people. For instance, black and brown Indians have been ruled to be “caucasiod”, Black Sudanese, black Ethiopians, Black Kenyans, also Rwandan Tutsis, Black Yemenites and Qataris, have all been ruled to be caucasiod by some discreditied liars such as Coon whom you love to recite. Yet, we all know that they are not pink skinned like you. You are seeking pedigree!!
I do not need to take you to task on the Moors as the resident scholars on this site have beaten that issue to death. Go ask William Shakespare why he described the great Moor Othello as a blackman. Oh I forget, he meant a “gypsie’ or no… actually …maybe he meant your mythical brown grandmother Mathilada. Grow up and open your eyes. Understand and accept that brown peoples are not pink people. Moor comes from Maures…Maurisoi…Black (Greek and Latin etymology).
Moors were not Arabs who came to Europe. There were not “white Africans” either since there are no such monstrosities. Although an army of predominantly muslim Moors conquered spain in 711 but Moors were in europe even earlier. The historical Moors comprised of the original Black Europeans, who were later enslaved by the Spanish and European inquisitions and deported to the Caribbean Islands where you went from calling them Black-a-moors (Black as a Moor) to negros (a new name which seeks to steal our heritage). The entire southern Europe is full of Black moorish artefacts and paintings. Go check out the Moorish flags of Italy and Spain and Corsica. Even your half-mind admits the existence of Moors as dark skin Africans. I will leave it at that. http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blackfolknetwork.com/myspace/bfnmoor/aboutme/aboutme_corsicaflag.gif&imgrefurl=http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendID%3D332203298&usg=__HkvJGFs0zTHmoIlVjHBJ25I_b5Q=&h=27
Here are excerpts about the Moors from the Song of Roland (11 A.D.) a poem written by a pinkish spaniard after the Moorish conquest:
At their head rides the Saracen Abisme[Saracens are Arabs and Abisme is his name believed to be related to Abyssinia]: no worse criminal rides in that company, stained with the marks of his crimes and great treasons, lacking the faith in God, Saint Mary. And he is black, as black as melted pitch…
[Another excerpt from “The Song of Roland”]
Ethiope, is a cursed land indeed; The blackamoors, from there are in his keep, Broad in the nose they are and flat in ear, fifty thousand and more in company.
When Roland sees that unbelieving race, those hordes and hordes blacker than the blackest ink – no shred of white on them except their teeth…
(Source: Van Sertima, Ivan; editor; Brunson, J. & Rashidi, R., authors; “Golden Age of the Moor,” Transaction Publishers (New Brunswick, NJ), 1993, p. 43.)
So come back more often. Cease and desist from writing and posting garbage which noone reads on Mathilada blog. Come to Rastafari Universe, Rastalivewire and learn the truth that your father and mother were too embarrassed to teach you.
With Love, pity and overstanding
Jahdey
More on the Moors: Here are some paintings of European Moors made by classical European painters between the 16th and 19th centuries. A picture is worth a thousand words…
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.codart.nl/images/NLAmsterdamRijksmuseumMostaertAfrikaanseMan.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.codart.nl/news/78/&usg=__mgth6MXz0Egly-niQh0aX4L3Jpg=&h=580&w=400&sz=38&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=ZytSaU9MbDwXMM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmoorish%2Bpainting%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.edwinlordweeks.org/Moorish-Guard.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.edwinlordweeks.org/Moorish-Guard.html&usg=__qgCnRZvgO5YrKyKklgWTXfp13NA=&h=500&w=254&sz=32&hl=en&start=38&um=1&tbnid=1_v5eH_WQcgRnM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=66&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmoorish%2Bpainting%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj285/Lucid_Lorenda/MoorishBazaarPortal.jpg
http://www.illusionsgallery.com/moorish-chief-L.jpg
BTW: We have been monitoring the nonsense you write up over in your blog. It appears that since none is paying you any attention you are here to fill it with your stinky garbage. You were the one that deleted the comments of Dana Marniche on your Mathilada-blog because it was too heavy to understand for you yet you have the cheek to come over here at Rastalivewire so that we can give you some attention while you make senseless uneducated fool’s crack. This will be the last reply you will get though because reading your convoluted gibberish, it appears that you are really educationally challenged!
Go back to your stinky website and put back up the comments made by Dana Marniche before you try to grandstand here in Rastalivewire. Snivelling coward that you are, you censor the truth written on your website (by a powerful teacher such as Dana) but would attempt to spread the filth that rises from within you all over the Internet. And least I forget, please use credible reference sources to back up your ignorant so-called claims.
Fools die from want of wisdom!
One cannot take away 1,200 years of descriptions of the Moors as blacks and “Ethiopians” in Europe from Greek and Roman writings and in more recent encyclopedias and dictionaries throughout Europe as mentioned in Rogers, Nature knows No Color Line. No dozen or so paintings from 14th to 16th c. slave infested Spain change that.
Furthermore and tellingly true Semitic or bedouin Afro-Asiatic people -Arabians, Canaanites (the Canaaniyya tribe in Israel at Jericho are still black) is like did not .like to portray themselves or the human image according to European scholars.
As for the matter of Eurasians in Africa, It has been known for at least half a century before genetic studies on dna that certain brachyphalic and mesocranic skeletons, and thus likely Europoid people were present in ealy holocene North Africa along with the predominant long-headed African populations who were classfied as by such eugenicists as Coon as Caucasoid ancestral hamites and who probably absorbed them.. the irony of what people like mathildeblogger say is that modern Europoid looking populations in North Africa are also significantly not dolichocephals like the majority of the originial populations of the paleolithic and mesolithic North Africa of the “iberomaurusian” or Capsian periods and cultures, and later populations as at Carthage and Numidia. It is a shame that some Europeans or rather Eurocentic academics still use the term Caucasoid for people with Hamitic caniofacial traits probably evolved in the hot, arid lands they came fom. For this reason modern Western scholaship on genetic intepretations are misleading and untrustworthy.
Lastly, the day someone can explain why ancient Egyptian tomb paintings only depict dark brown Cathaginians, Phoenicians and Phillistines, when they are supposedly Eurasian or “Caucasian” people the globe wil have stopped turning on its axis.
I fogot to mention Eurocentrics like Gimbutas are one of the reasons oppositional scholarship of Africans was born and why it will continue to thrive. i don’t consider good scholaship on Aficans Afrocentric. i consider it discovering and revealing the truth.
Most Berber tribes in North Africa are in fact still dark brown in color after centuies of the white slave trade. They include the Nafusawa, Shleuh and Sus or most of Berbers of southern morocco and the uppe Atlas. Of course, most Tuareg clans are still dark brown, as are Massufa and Berbers of Taurudant, the Draa and Trarza and hassaniyya Moors and Siwa Berbers. it should not be surprising that modern Berbers of coastal Morocco look like the Europeans that were bought in by the millions as slaves according to most European scholars, as they were into other parts of north Africa even before the Turkish colonizations .
Anyone interested in the so-called conclusions of European anthropologists should also see “The Questionable Contributios of the neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craqniofacial forms”, CL Brace, S.C. Fox, P. Qifeng et al. in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of Amerca ol. 103, No. 1 . Fortunately some scholars still know that most neolithic and early Europeans were not directly related to modern Europeans.
Sasha always use the world liar, and he is the biggest one….
I lived in London for almost 4 years, and I didn’t see the mummies with silk hair that he’s talking about…
For instance if you go to 3rd floor (Egyptian section) you can see the real picture of the prince RAHOTEP, not the false statue which is disclosed in all the whitesupremacist websites and books.
Next to Rahotep’s picture you have a picture of the pharoah Sanakht (third dynasty before Djoser ) a full blooded negro. I saw them the last time I went there in November 2008…
I knew this was a fake for Rahotep because I was his REAL picture in : “Eternal Egypt : Masterworks of Ancient Art from the British Museum” , page 40…And this book the authors say that it represented his tomb without saying that it was actually him…
If you a truthful man pleace take your Digital camera , take some pictures and post them in this blog.
Tell me in which part did you see them and show me their picture if you tell the truth…
Every white I interwied in the british Musuem in from on the statues of Ramses II, Thoutmosis III or Amenhotep III , told me that they were in front of Africans.
The Lybian sarcophagus in the British Musuem, are dislosed with a Yellow Skin (2nd floor) .
In the Tomb of Sakure ( Fifth dynasty) black lybians are disclosed. There were Black and “white” lybians everydoby knows that.
The oldest mummified body found in Lybia was one of a child and he was also black…
The Tehenous were the black lybians according to Sir Alan Gardiner. Did you ever put your feet in Lybia ??? Many modern lybians are black…I have some picture to show as well don’t worry…
I never said that the Lybians who usurpated the power in Egpyt ( kicked out by black nubians) were Blacks ( Osorkon, Sheshonq etc)…
I’m in my office , I’ll post some pictures of the afro-combs which everybody can see in the Petrie Museum. I’ll show you some pictures of Egytian vessels with their black crew…
I’ll give you Furon’s reference as well, my books are at home when I write in this forum…
I really think that your never put your feet into a Museum…And specially in the Petrie and British Museum…
And for the Canaanites here is one Picture from Donald B Redford’s book : “Egypt, Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times
Donald B. Redford”, 1992
2 canaanites HEADMEN and they are obviously black :
http://tinypic.com/20ich39.jpg
Who is a Hater and a Madder ?
In the British museum there is also some pictures of phoenicians (Nimrud Ivories ) and there were some black phoenicians too.
I’ll scan them and post them here if GOD wills.
Here is a picture of mixed couple in Tunisia ; Julius Serenus and his wife Numitoria Saturnina 300 to 400 BC [Sfax Museum in Tunisia] : Before color prejudice by Frank Snowden
http://tinypic.com/ogxnwy.jpg
As you can see he is black and his wife is white…
I’ll post the pictures of Petrie Museum first , just wait and see…
And I have the book of Malika Hachid : “Les premiers Berbères entre Méditerranée Tassili et Nil “.
She destroys the bullshit story of the so called berbers who came from the Near East. If you are truthful give me the page where she says that. I’ve got it at home…
Here is a summary of her works by Hassan Remaoun :
http://www.codesria.org/Links/Publications/review_books/remaoun.pdf
Let’s play …
This is some picture of whites and semites in Egypt : All captives….
A Captive libyan:
http://tinypic.com/s45si1.jpg
Captives in Ramses II Temple at Luxor :
http://tinypic.com/s45tld.jpg
Europeans captives in Horemheb’s Tomb:
http://tinypic.com/1z23mo1.jpg
Semite captives/foes : Toutmosis IV’s Tomb
http://tinypic.com/2rqhn35.jpg
Toutmosis IV’s Tomb :
http://tinypic.com/359lsea.jpg
http://tinypic.com/34qmdlc.jpg
Pharoh Merneptah and Lybians :
http://www.tamzalla.de/images/tamzalla/bild9.jpg
How is shasha will explain these pictures ???
The Moors
Black Moors King :
http://i4.tinypic.com/k13vk6.jpg
Biblioteca de escritores aragones. Blancas.Comentarios de las cosas de Aragon.Seccion historia 3.P 110.1878
As the Cantigas of santa Maria [King Alfonso X] said : “.. Los moros de la hueste todos vestidos del sirgo et de os panos de color que ganaran…las caras dellos negras como la pez el mas fremoso dellos era negro como la olla ..”
The Encyclopedia Britannica ( 1926, Vol 21, p128, 14 th Edition) :
“The Almoravides ….were berbers and were largely mingled with pure Negroes ”
I do sometimes some recherche at the National Library in Paris [ I'm not historian , I'm an Investment banker] , one thing is sure during the middle age, the word MOOR was always applied to BLACKS.
For Instance François le Peloux who an ambassador of Charles V , was a mixed black according to the contemporary Historian : Pierre de Bourdeille Seigneur de Brantôme: He called him ” beau et MORICAUT..” ie ” Nice and Moor”.
“Vie des hommes illustres et grands capitaines français” Volume I,p 98, 1864
The Chevalier de Saint Georges another mixed black was also called “MORICAUT” or MOOR.
Thank-you indeed for this. I wish you could set up a school in Jamaica and come and share the knowledge.
I remember reading that the aborigines, were also classified as caucasians, which was quite shocking. I know the story of what the British had done. But we all can see how history can decieve people.
Can you direct me to more art or visual representation on ancient black history. I am aware that many of the images have been destroyed or altered.
I am a senior lecture at an art school and can use this information to the further educate our students.
Thank – you once again.
Dear Rozi
All these books are from my personal collection. But I can give you a bibliography if you want.
My favorite website (in English) for Egypt is this one :
http://wysinger.homestead.com/ancientafrica.html
In french you have this one [ Prof Cheikh Anta DIOP's son and wife]:
http://www.ankhonline.com/
Regards
Afro – Combs in Petrie Museum – London :
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ed1guq.jpg
This is the UNIQUE type of combs that you can find in this Musuem…
African Style Sandals :
http://i39.tinypic.com/1fyfk3.jpg
Today in 2009, we african wear the same sandals, in my language we call them TCHARAKH….
Egyptian crews on Boats :
http://i44.tinypic.com/241sb6g.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/4jtfa1.jpg
Whoever says that these men are white, or mixed is a BIG LIAR
An example of BIG LIE from Eurocentrics “scholars” :
Semites (Amus) and Black Egyptians – XII Dynasty ; Khnumhotep’s TOMB :
http://i6.tinypic.com/2uol2lf.jpg
The same image from a british museum’s book, but they cut the black Egytians…Please read the funny commentary. (Nomads taming gazelles)…
http://tinypic.com/s46ebn
Who is obviouly lying ?
Science never lies , here is the reconstruction of the face of a Priest of Amun at KARNAK, dating 1100 BC. His name is ESAMUN or NATSEFAMUN.
The reconstruction has been done by Pr Richard NEAVE of the Manchester University Medical School….
The sarcophagus of Esamun (Leeds City Museum) :
http://tinypic.com/1040zf7.jpg
The reconstruction of his face by Richard Neave :
http://tinypic.com/1040w7n.jpg
Source : Ian Wilson): « Past lives , Unlocking the secrets of our ancestors » , Editions Cassell and Co (London), 2001, page 88 to 95.
As he is a black man Ian Wilson says that he may have come from Nubia… But it’s a lie. Beacuse Egyptians didn’t allow any stranger into their priesthood…And KEMET means the “Land of the Black People”…
A semite usurpator Pharoah : The Hyksos KHAYAN
http://tinypic.com/301ld6o.jpg
The semite according to kemet’s iconography (See Donald B Redford) :
http://tinypic.com/20icf37.jpg
Compare now with the powerful black Pharoah : Djehutimesu III aka Thoutmosis III :
http://i42.tinypic.com/5o8ppj.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ml5k5z.jpg
If you look carefully at ancient Egypt iconography you’ll find more Indoeuropean and Semites captives than blacks ( political and not racial war against Nubia…)
Sometimes in Eurocentrics books Nubians are described as slaves , like for instance the scene in HUY’s TOMB….But it was actually a liht skin Nubian Princess visiting Egypt whith his Court.
You had light skinned Nubians with the same color of the Light skin Egyptians…And you had also Ebony skins between Nubians and Egyptians…
The Tomb of Huy’s scene is on the 3rd floor at the British Museum…
do not forget,by north afriquan culture when older king or simple gays who use to sleep with youg black woonen,when child born is considered belange to the white family despite black colored skin by all people