Here is the link to the book ORIGINS OF THE ANGLO-SAXON RACE by Thomas William Shore. The chapter of interest is entitled OUR DARKER FOREFATHERS (Chapter VII p.
103-120).

http://www.edd.uio.no/perl/search/search.cgi?appid=86&tabid=1275

And I already said above that svartr meant black in Old Norse. I have never tried to claim othervise. But it was NOT used to describe black people, blà was. ANYONE with knowledge in the Old Norse will tell you that, thats the truth. It’s not racism, it’s fact. Trying to change the truth to suit your own views is wrong and ironic because you claim to spread the truth.

And how is that texst by Sirpa Aalto racist? He is interpreting Heimskringla, in that case Heimskringla must be racist. And maybe it is, after all the Muslims worshiped an Antichrist to the Christians. Why would they but them in a good light?

You are rambling incoherent noises. You are also being delibrately mischevious in posting racially insulting bits and pieces of garbage written up by mindless scumbags.

In your language Norwegian Svart Folks means Black people. Then you resorted to pink-falsehood by claiming that Svartr meant black beards or black hands only, in old Norse. Shame on you.

Svartr=Swarthy=Stewart=Schwarz=Black.

Please find below a link to a Dictionary translating old Norse words to English. In that dictionary Svartr means Black.

Old Norse Words and Synonyms for Black

Bla - Black

Blakkr - Black

Svartr - Black

See:English -Old Norse Dictionary Compiled by Ross G. Arthur, http://www.yorku.ca/inpar/language/English-Old_Norse.pdf

English words and synonyms for Black

Dark - Black

Swarthy - Black

Black - Black

Maybe this will make things clear to you:

“In the middle ages Muslims were considered as bad or even worse than heathens, because they worshipped Muhammad, who was an Antichrist to Christians. There are not many episodes in Heimskringla that concern Muslims, or ‘blámenn’ as they are called in the sagas. King Sigurd Jorsalafar is said to have fought heathens in Spain on his way to Jerusalem. He plundered with his crew on the island of Formentera, where there was a ‘herr mikill heiðinna blámanna’. Sigurd’s men win the battle of course (Msona chs. V-VI). Heimskringla does not mention anything about Muslim beliefs, but obviously there was no need to clarify the evilness of the blámenn to the audience since the word ‘blár’ reveals that these men were very different from the heroic King Sigurd and his men. Even though blár means ‘blue,’ in this case it signifies ‘black.’ These ‘blue men’ lived in Spain or the south Mediterranean. ‘Blámenn’ refers not only to literally black men, but also to Arabs and Moors. The use of the term ‘blámenn’ indicates that the writer wanted to stress that they were of different ethnic origin than the Norse people. We should also remember, too, that in the fornaldarsögur the term ‘blámenn’ refers to earthly creatures of evil (e.g. ‘blámenn ok berserkir’ Lindow, 1995, 13-14). This ethnic implication was probably more important to the intended audience of the saga than any, rightly omitted, information about the religious beliefs of the blámenn.”

Categorizing ‘Otherness’ in Heimskringla

Sirpa Aalto

(University of Joensuu)

Perhaps you are just too young or perhaps you are being disingenious but it matters not to me.

In your language Norwegian which you claim to be fluent in, (a language descent from Icelandic) “svarti” means black, not “black beards” “nor evil nor devils” as you falsely claim.

In Norwegian “svart folks” means black people (reference Africans) not black haired Norwegians.

Why then are you so specious with your logic?

See the example below:

Norwegian

Begrepet “svart folk” vanligvis refererer til en rasistisk gruppe mennesker med mørk hud farge, men begrepet har ogsÃ¥ blitt brukt til Ã¥ kategorisere en rekke…

English Translation

The term “black people” usually refers to a racial group of human beings with dark skin color, but the term has also been used to categorise a number of …

“It is worth noting, for instance, that blár (and not svartr) is used to refer to black people, although blámenn can be svartir if they are evil or possess devilish traits. ”

This is taken from Halfdan the Black’s saga in Old Norse:

“Þar óx upp Hálfdan ok var brátt mikill ok sterkr ok svartr á hár; hann var kallaðr Hálfdan svarti.”

Translated it means something like:

There Halfdan grew up and he was soon big, strong and black haired; he was called Halfdan the Black.

And I never said that svartr means black beard, I said that people with black hair or beard often were described as or nicknamed svartr/svarti. Atleast that was my point, but my main language is Norwegian so I apologise for any misunderstandings that may have brought.

Mats

Kirsten Wolf’s article had this line:

“….. ‘the Icelandic word svartur which nowadays means ‘black’ seems at this period to have referred mainly to a brown-black colour, as when it is used to describe horses.”

Mr Mats, so after having read this line from your authority is it still logical to insist that when Svartur is used for horses, it means black-brown horses, but when used for men it means black beards???

You must learn to read between the lines and use your critical thinking faculties.

Jahdey

There is no European language in which swarthy or svartr means black beard. The word means black and when used to describe a man simply means black man. It does not mean BLACK BEARD!

As such your argument is a disjointed rambling contradictory thesis typical of the unschooled.

Jahdey