The African Land of Spain
By Ogu-Eji-Ofo-Annu
According to the British Encyclopedia:
“Spain is shaped like a gigantic bull’s hide stretching in the sun between Europe and Africa. Spain’s large area of 195,379 square miles (506,030 square kilometers) covers about five sixths of the Iberian Peninsula. In Western Europe, only France is larger. At its widest Spain stretches some 635 miles (1,022 kilometers) from east to west. From north to south the country is about 550 miles (885 kilometers) long.”
Spain has a coastline which stretches in some parts for 1,700 miles (2,740 kilometers) along the Mediterranean Sea from the eastern end of the Pyrenees mountain chain to the Strait of Gibraltar. Spain shares with Portugal the peninsula’s coast which borders the Atlantic.
Since ancient times Spain has been physically and culturally a part of Africa because both land mass used to share a common land bridge across what is now the Strait of Gibraltar. Whereas Spain was physically connected with Africa in the ancient times and was only separated by an earth quake in relatively near antiquity, it was always separated physically and culturally from Europe by the Pyrenees Mountain.
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica:
“Of all Europe’s mountain ranges, the jagged and often snowcapped Pyrenees, 270 miles (435 kilometers) long, have functioned most effectively as a barrier to human movement. Unlike the Alps, the Pyrenees have no low foothills or hospitable valleys to ease access into and through their heights. Rather, the Pyrenees rise abruptly from the flanking plains of France and Spain with only steep gorges and steep-walled natural amphitheaters that lead to almost impassable lofty summits. The French peasant’s adage, Africa begins with the Pyrenees, is not without a large measure of truth in emphasizing the historic significance of the Pyrenees as a barrier in the development of Spain. In the words of the U.S. historian Will Durant, Spain’s mountains, particularly the Pyrenees, “were her protection and tragedy: they gave her comparative security from external attack, but hindered her economic advance, her political unity, and her participation in European thought. The continued political independence of the tiny principality of Andorra is largely a result of its remote location amid the Pyrenees between France and Spain.” (Encyclopedia Britannica )
The Moorish Story:
The ancient Maghreb which spanned Morrocco and Algeria has been populated for longer than most of the rest of the world. There is evidence of people living there as far back as 200,000 BC, and cave paintings depict a fairly vibrant Neolithic culture living thriving around 6000 BC, when the climate of the Sahara was very different.
Then the area that is now Sahara had giant lakes, and lush savannah land teeming with wild life. Cultural complex were developed in that area and extended to nearby Iberia, onward across Southern Europe as far as Black sea. These people have been called various confusing names (such as Cro-Magnons, Aurignacians, Grimaldi, Celto-Iberians, etc) by European anthropologists to hide their African cultural roots. Eventually the various peoples who lived in the Central Sahara area formed the people now known as the Touaregs/Moors/Berbers.
At its shortest point to Africa, Spain is separated by a strait of water about 8 kilometers in width. It is possible to stand on one end of Africa and observe actions on the Spanish side of the coast. Racist Euro-centric scholars would want us to believe that for 100, 000 years, the Africans who lived on the opposite side of the Mediterranean coast were so incurious and incapable that they could not cross an 8 mile water strait, whereas the Cro-Magnon man could do a 10,000 kilometers trek crossing the impassable Mount Pyrenees, a mountain of barrier against ingress from Europe and successfully established themselves successfully in Spain. But the ridiculousness of such a thesis is self-evident. In full recognition of the fact that Africans were the first to establish communities on both side of the Mediterranean coast, classical scholars have used such moniker as “Ibero-maurisian†culture to describe the early inhabitants of Spain. Maurisian stands for Maures…Africans.
Since the earliest periods, the Moors(including the Berbers) had spread out from Central Sahara, Northern Africa, into Portugal Southern Spain, and Southern France. Those in North Africa are described as the Berber/Moors of North Africa while those in Spain are described as the ancient Iberians (Ibero-Maurisians). Those in the Mediterranean are called the pre-Hellenistic Aegean or Creteans. (See: Arnaiz-Villena A, Iliakis P, Gonzalez-Regueiro Hevilla M et al. The origin of Cretan populations as determined by characterization of HLA alleles. Tissue Antigens 1999 53:213-26. See further, E. Gomez-Casado, P. del Moral, J. Marti´nez-Laso, A. Garcia-Gomez, L. Allende, C. Silvera-Redondo, J. Longas, M. Gonzalez-Hevilla, M. Kandil, J. Zamora, A. Arnaiz-Villena; HLA genes in Arabic-speaking Moroccans: Close relatedness to Berbers and Iberians; Tissue Antigens 2000: 55: 239249.)
Berbers of Libya
North Africa and the Mediterranean had in later antiquity fallen under the influence of the Black Carthaginians/Phoenicians sailors. Originally from the Horn of Africa, the Carthaginian/Phoenicians a sea faring migratory people, had settled in Canaan/Palestine and Syria. A group of them later journeyed back again to their original motherland Africa, but this time they settled along the coast of Tunisia.
The Phoenicians had arrived around 800 BC. They formed an alliance with the Berber groups which enabled them to gained power rapidly. They eventually became the most influential and strongest power in the Mediterranean partly due to their largely Berber-staffed army. They controlled the Northwest coast of Africa as well as the Iberia the regions where the Berbers have lived in since the earliest human records. They founded the Iberian city of Cadiz among many others.
Carthage and Roman were soon colliding since it was that the Romans had tried to muscle in on the lucrative maritime routes controlled exclusively by the Carthaginian Empire. The trade competition led to armed conflict known in history as the Punic wars. Carthage lost both of the Punic wars to regional upstart Rome.
After losing the first Punic War to Rome, many Berbers became disaffected with the regional power Carthage and thus rebelled and gained a large amount of independence. In modern-day Algeria, then called Numidia, two main kingdoms emerged. These eventually united under Masinissa, who teamed up with Rome (and especially with Scipio Africanus) to launch devastating attacks on Carthage.
It was also in the course of the second Punic wars that the great African General Hannibal mobilized in North Africa and Iberia and then marched into the Roman Empire and ceased most of its European territories. Hannibal actually ruled western European section of the Roman Empire with the exception of the city of Rome itself which gates he had reached several times before being fought off.
Eventually Carthage lost the Punic wars and Hannibal committed suicide after having been betrayed and disappointed by high-ranking officials of Carthage. Rome thereupon destroyed Carthage, took over possession of its territories including the Iberian Peninsula and shared out to its vassals and client states.
The Moors, the Romans and the Goths:
Roman administration continued with the age old cosmopolitan flavour of coastal North Africa and southern Iberia. Soon wide-flung persons were immigrating into North Africa and Iberia. Of these, were elements of the defunct Carthage, others were Jewish traders, Greek and Roman Christians, and some Nordic Vandals, Suebians, Alans, and Gothic guests, who later proved inimical to the political security of the region. These all lived with the traditional owners of the land the Maures (the Blacks) of Iberia and North Africa.
Following the disturbances created in areas of Europe outside the Roman Empire (central Europe) by the advancing armies of the oriental Huns in 4th century A.D. who destroyed virtually every resistance to their onslaught, many Danubian or Ostro Goths, Vandals and Alans migrated from central Europe to the relative safety of Northern and Central Spain. It was not long before those tribes were infiltrating the southern shores of Spain and France where the Berber/Moors had lived from time immemorial which was at that time under Roman administration. (Edward Gibbon: The History of the Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire – Vol 2. See XXV)
Sooner than one would have thought, those Nordic Vandals, Alans and Goths who were later called Visigoths (western Goths as opposed to the Ostrogoths, aka the eastern Goths) had become a dire security threat for the Roman administrators of the Berber principalities of old Iberia.
Spain was overrun by barbaric Vandals following the fall of the Iberian Roman administration in 409 AD. The Visigoths in turn defeated the Vandals and ran them out of Iberia into North Africa. The Visigoths quickly established an administration to fill in the void and chaos that marked the declining period of the Roman Empire about the fifth century AD. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, the people of Roman Spain, Maures/Berbers, Jews, serfs, and slaves looked hopefully for a time of liberation from such foul oppression. The Gothic kingdom of Spain lasted from 460 AD to 711 AD. (See:The Story of The Moors in Spain (1886) – Stanley Lane-Poole )
The Vandals who were booted out of Spain in the wake of the Visigoth advance then moved over to the Maghreb and seized control briefly. The Vandals were the unkindest sort of Arian barbarians, led by King Gaiseric. They persecuted orthodox Christians terribly until they themselves were booted out of the region in 533 by Justinian of the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire).
The Byzantines, however, were not very good administrators and it was not long before the area grew restive. Islamic Umayyad Caliphate was a rising power of this period and quickly took advantage of the popular disaffection to increase the number of Muslim converts. The Islamic penetration began in 642 AD, and by 711 AD, had converted a great many Berbers to Islam and conquered the whole of North Africa.
This led to a long and very confusing period of time of being ruled and fought over by various Islamic caliphates and related sects. The eastern part tended to come under the control of dynasties centered in Tunisia, such as the Aghlabids and the Zayanids, while the west fell under the sway of Morocco-based powers such as the Almoravids and the Almohads. The Fatimid dynasty, based out of Algeria, began their rise to power in the 10th century.
Africans, Moors and Arabs:
One must recall that the concept of Arab nationality/race (as a sub-race of the Caucasians) was non-existent until it was created by the western political powers in the late 19th and early 20th century as a ploy to undermine the Ottoman Turk Empire.
The concept of Arab as a racial identity different from the dominant black cultures of Middle East and the horn of Africa was also non-existent at the time of Mohammed and at the time when the so called Arab invasion of Africa (a term coined and promoted by European Aryan scholarship) occurred.
Black Arab of Shibam, Yemen
Arab refers to a language and culture not to racial origin. The Arabs are indeed a mixture of different peoples. Arabs themselves recognize to come from two unrelated patriarchs: Qahtan (Southern Arabs) and Adnan (Northern Arabs), to be respectively identified with a Sabean the Afro-Arabs, and the Ishmaelites pale-skin Arabs linked with Kurds and Turkish groups. (Encyclopedia Britanicca ‘Origin of the Arabs“, http://www.
britannica.com/eb/article-45294?hook=484896#484896.hook. Visited on 20/08/06)
Habib Hassan Touma in his book Music of the Arabs (1996, p.xviii) holds that “an ‘Arab’, in the modern sense of the word, is one who is a national of an Arab state, has command of the Arabic language, and possesses a fundamental knowledge of Arabian tradition, that is, of the manners, customs, and political and social systems of the culture.” Thus, contrary to the popular media representation of “Arab” this term does not denote any particular phenotype, race or colour. Rather it indicates a cultural system that evolved through cross-fertilization of thoughts across many centuries.
Geographically Africa is connected with Middle East through the Sinai. The land of North East Africa and Middle East share the similar type of climate, topography, fauna and flora. Moreover, the Red Sea has never been a barrier to communication and contact between the people that lived along its coast lines.
Thus, the Middle East was always an extension of Africa. One wonders why there is a middle-east region but no middle-west region of the earth defined by geography. It is further observed that the term central Asia is another way of saying middle east, yet the current geographically identified region of central Asia is not anywhere near middle east. One then wonders about the parameters that have been used in defining the region currently known as the middle-east.
In the beginning, early Africans peopled the Middle East. Those Africans introduced language, culture, agriculture, masonry, writing, and sciences into Middle East. For instance, the Semitic language is an East African language, first developed and spoken in Africa before being introduced into the Middle East. (Spencer Wells, The Journey of Man, 2002, p. 106)
Ancient historical accounts do not make any distinctions between Africa and Middle East. One of the earliest political principalities of Arabia was also called Kush, the name of the earliest political Empire in Africa, Ethiopia-Kush.
Scholars agree by implication that Africans had crossed over repeatedly into Arabia in different epochs, first as the Natufians (nick names coined by western scholars), then as the PPNA and PPNB culture (more false names) and then as the Yarmurkians (another name falsifying the contribution of black Africans to Middle East). They were the first settlers of Middle East, the first cultivators and the first builders. For example see: (Garfinkel, Y. 1993. The Yarmukian Culture in Israel. Paléorient 19:115–134.)
Then again Africans came into Middle East and settled. They came as immigrant groups like the Kushites, the Egyptians, the Punitians/Phoenicians (People of Punt). They blended together and became the later Black Israelites, the Black Syrians and Canaanites) They established themselves in the land and built many amazing cultures and civilizations. The builders of these civilizations maintained very close trade and cultural linkages with their African motherland. Accordingly, there have always been constant interchanges of cultural and commercial contact between the African peoples of East Africa and the African peoples of Middle East. (See, Hamito-Semitic Africa: )
Middle East is the centre of many of the world’s biggest religions. Undoubtedly the African continent and its people played significant roles in the formation of those religions. The literatures and liturgies of those religions recount the cultural centrality of Africa in their cosmogony. Ethiopia, Libya, Kush and Egypt feature constantly in the Torah, Bible, Koran and the Hadiths. This is another clear indication of the significance of Africa to the people of the Middle East. (See Kebra Negast, The Bible, The Koran, etc)
Furthermore, just as is testified by the currently living Black Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians, Saudi Arabians, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, etc, black people have always been the original population of Middle East and they remain an integral part of that geographical zone to this very day. The paler skinned Arabs who constitute the media definition of Arab are comparatively recent immigrants into the Middle East. Yet, those paler type Arabs have so inter-mixed with the original black owners of Middle East that they have become a sub-group of the black African race and culture. It is impossible to tell between a morphologically black Arab and a paler Arab, which is “more ethnically pure.
Archeological and skeletal analyses confirm that black Africans were the first and original inhabitants of Arabia. Genetic studies further confirm the close biological relationship between the people of Middle East and Africa. The fact is that the entire Middle East is virtually suffused with markers of African genetic imprints that it can be correctly described as a part of Africa which European imperialism pursuing religious bias have appropriated culturally. It is always interesting that there is a culturally and geographically defined place as Middle East but there is no Middle West.
The Muslim Moors:
In the aftermath of the fall of Rome, many of its former provinces and colonies were thrown into a state of insecurity and chaos. Material progress was in retrogression and the outlook on life across the territories of the former imperial power was not very bright.
In the beginning of the seventh century, the Arab prophet, Muhammad, began to preach the word of Islam. Consumed with religious fervor, Arabs both black and pale, sought to spread the message of Islam to the entire world.
By the year 708 AD, Islam had penetrated North Africa. North Africa was until then a province of the Byzantine Empire and hence under the influence of Christianity. Consequently, many African Moors accepted Islam in large numbers, and began using Arabic, the language of Islam as the national language.
As the Muslim administrators aspired to cosmopolitanism, many immigrants moved into the great centers of the Islamic religion. Many Arabs, (again both Afro and pale), moved from the Middle East to the better opportunities offered by North Africa, with its ancient connections to ancient Egypt and metropolitan Rome, as well as scientific, trade and administrative know-how. Moreover, there was the usual Jewish community found universally across North Africa and the Middle East, as well as Syrians, and some southern Europeans.
The Conquest of Iberia:
With order reigning again in the land of the Moors, and a re-flowering of culture and learning in its wake, it was inevitable that the chaotic condition that Spain had been turned into by the Nordic Goths would have to be redressed.
Preparations were soon put in place for the liberation of Iberia from the rule of the neo-paganic Christian Goths who had wrought great and terrible depredations on the land. Tarik, a great African general was chosen to lead the Moorish Islamic army sent to raid Spain.
On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). A muslim writer, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950) denoted these troops as “Sudanese”, an Arabic denotation for the citizens of the then dominant African Empire of the Central Sahara).
The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. It was only later in the ages that those people would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain. The Black African Moors established the most important Iberian principality and ruled Spain for 700 years thereafter.
The next installment of this series will demonstrate the most fundamental contributions the Moors made to the taming and civilization of Europe, and how their impact is still felt even 500 years later after their defeat and unjust expulsion from Spain.
Ogu-Eji-Ofo-Annu
25-August-2006
John Dunn
You made very wild claims that were as obsolete as they were obscene. As such we are compelled to ask you for a few citations of your authority.
Your view there were no black Egyptians is as foolish as the view that the earth was the center of the universe. If you do not understand that simple fact, then there remains very little hope for you.
Your view that North Africans are different than other Africans would need more cultural and genetic based evidence. Please provide some authority.
Your misconception that Africa is not equivalent to Black is another of those Aryanist fantasies that would be ridiculous if they were not so pathetic. Would you provide some authority on cultural and genetic dis-similarities of North and “non-North” Africa?
The author of the well written article above backed up his proposition with authorities.
You are at the very least obliged to dis-prove his claim with authority. Not wild rantings. Not grandstanding. No pretensions, and no lies either.
Put up or shut up.
Jahdey
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The terms “caucasoid”, “negroid”, and “mongoloid” are in themselves meanigless terms creayed by european racists.
The indigenous people of Africa from norh to south, from east and west are the same race of people. Their complexions, hair texure and minute features may vary, but they are all African. If you study all the indigenous peoples of nortn, east south, central africans you will find they all share very similiar cultures. And the Ancient Egyptians differed nothing from the other indigenous african tribes around them.
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If you were to take five people, one a North African, one East African, one West African, one Central African, and one Southern African, and assuming they were all indigenous to their respective areas, then anyone would be able to easily identify which is which.
If you took one North African, one Middle Eastern person, and one Southern European, people would find it considerably more difficult to see who was who.
Also, the term “African” as a broad term was created in the early modern period by European racists to justify slavery and colonialism. Since all “Africans” were the same, it was thus “okay” to colonise and trade in slaves. Of course, the North Africans were ALSO slave-traders, and there are countless examples of people questioning the “African” term because North Africans clearly are a different race to Sub-Saharans. Also, nice to see the moderator deleting messages that cite references/sources that prove these things.
Have you ever actually viewed REAl Ancient Egyptian artifacts, or were you just told by your “Black History” teacher that they were black and that anyone who says they aren’t is “racist”?
I have Egyptian friends and they are NOT black. They are, however, African.
Yu evidently know little about Africa and Africans. North frica has been settled and colonized from the middle east and Asia since prehistoric times. thus there has alwas been a heavily mixed population in the north. Therefore taking north Africa out of the equation, if u take forty people, ten from East Africa, ten from Central Africa, Ten from West africa, and ten from south Africa I guarantee you you would not be able to successfully distinguish them all apart. But even if you could regional diferences doesnt change the race of the people. The people of Europe are not represented by a single type, if you take a blond hair blue eyed Scandanavian, a red haired Irishman,and dark haired Greek, anyone would be able to distinguish them apart. So are these people all different races?
The racist seeking to justify slavery were the ones who tried to divide the Africans by highlighting heir differences to make them believe they were not the same people. Therefore when a Mandinka chief sold Ga tribesmen he was not selling his own people. European racists used tha old divide and conquer to keep Africans from uniting against them. And it worked for centuries. But times are changing and the peoples of Africa and Africas dipersed children are waking up to embrace the oneness of all Africans. I have not only seen REAL Egyptian artifacts I have been to the Cairo museum, and the Berlin Egypt museum . I have seen the mummies, the sculptures the paintings on the wall. And the vast majority show clear African read Black features. The fullness of the lips the high cheekbones, some pharaohs like khufu, Mentuhotep, and Amenhotep among others had flat noses. Almost all the Egyptians wigs were wooly in texture, jus like Herotodus said about the Egyptians, being “Black with wooly hair”. The hairstyles of the Egyptians can still be seen in so called “Black Africa” today. Egypt today is far from the Egypt of ancient times. Modern Egypians are heavily mixed with foreign elements, Greeks, Roman, Arab, Turks. Even still outside the big cities in the villages the Egyptian people are still black, and they know they black. I too know people from Egypt and they all identify as black.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9707/16/racial.suit/
An interesting article about an Egyptian immigrant to the U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9707/16/racial.suit/
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/blackegypt101.html
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As far as “Caucasoid” and “negroid” goes, I found this posting on somebody’s blog. It just shows 2 pictures, one of each race. Either you get it, or you don’t…
http://dieneks.50webs.com/blog/archives/000104.html
Or his quote…
“skin color should always be taken on some unexposed part of the body.Among Middle Easterners, this is simple, because they cover as much of the body as is consistent with their work. The xposed skin color may be a dark brown, while the skin of the underarm is ten shades lighter. (The sun shines brightly in the Middle East) While fair-skinned people are to be seen, they live chiefly in shaded bazaars and government offices, whence they rarely emerge into the dazzling light of day.”
Also not that while Ancient Egytians are usually a dark brown, when we see Queens, Priests etc in Egyptian art they are indistinguishable from these fair-skinned Middle Easterners of today. The farmers, builders etc who work in the “dazzling light of day” are clearly dark brown, but many Ancient Egyptians are very fair-skinned(the types who lived primarily indoors), and Egyptians Ancient and Modern often have blue and green eyes. The same is true of the Moors, Babylonians, Berbers etc.
Okay, here’s something I found…
“Skin color should always be taken on some unexposed part of the body. Among Middle Easterners this is simple, because they cover as much of the body as is consistent with their work. The exposed skin color may be a dark brown, while the skin of the underarm is ten shades lighter. (The sun shines very brightly in the Middle East) While fair-skinned people are to be seen, they live chiefly in shaded bazaars and government offices, whence they rarely emerge into the dazzling light of day.”
So Ancient Egyptian art often shows “dark-browned” people, but these are always farmers, builders etc who work in the “dazzling light of day”. Meanwhile the Pharaohs, Queens, and Priests are often fair-skinned, as they remained primarily indoors. And in Ancient and Modern Egypt, blue and green eyes, and red, brown and blonde hair are fairly common. The same is true of the Moors, Berbers, Babylonians etc.
I also attempted to post some links explaining this in more detail but they were spammed!
I meant “flagged as spam”, not “spammed”!
It’s a bit sad when any evidence that disproves these articles can’t be posted. That’s a very narrowmined way of looking at things!
I have also browsed this site, and discovered that the central themes are that a) African-Americans are the Master Race, b) all white people are lepers and spooks, and c) everyone should smoke lots of pot.
Sorry, but that’s kinda lame.
Lastly, modern Egypt is a much alrger country then Ancient Egypt. The English colony of Egypt which became the modern republic of Egypt includes much of what is Ancient Nubia. Ancient Egypt extended only as far south as Thebes. Modern Egypt contains most of Nubia, so your “Black Egyptians” are likely from Southern Egypt, and are in reality Nubians, not Egyptians.
to the person who wrote that moors were white. so i guess shakespeare didn’t know why he made Othello, a moor, black?
Moors were black, and even the white Shakespeare knew that. Let’s not be silly.
Tim Barker
i dont know where u get ur information but you couldn’t be more off based. Firstly Egyptian pharaohs were rarely ever depicted as “fair skinned.” Montuhotep was depicted jet black, as was the great queen mother of the glorious 18th Dynasty Ahmose Nefertari. Throughout Egyptian art, The dark red-brown complexion was standard for men,, a lighter yellowish brown for women. This was purely symbolic and didnt reflect a true difference in the color of Egyptian men and women. During the so called Amarna period where men and women were regarded as equals both men and women and children were depicted in the same dark reddishbrown color. Furthermore Libyan bediouns were always depicted as being very light skinned, much lighter than the Egyptians, despite living in the same hot African sun. Why didnt the Libyans(white skinned berbers) get darkened by the sun?? Beyond color facial features like thick lips, wooly hair, and sometimes even flat “negroid” noses wouldnt be affected by bein out in the sun. Yet such features can be seen on the majority of Egyptian artwork and statues.
As far as modern Egypt being larger than ancient Egypt.. FALSE!! Ancient Egypt’s southern limit was clearly establisned as being at the first cataract of the Nile right below Elephantine. Modern Egypts southern border? At the first cataract of the Nile right below Elephantine. Exactly the same size. Southern Egyptians arent nubians they are Egyptians of the purest blood.
These sites have nothing to do with blacks constituting a “Master Race”. Simply about reclaiming African history that has been white washed by Europeans who truly believed without question that whites were the Master Race and didn’t hesitate to lie, create pseudo sciences, conceal evidence, destroy ancient artifacts, etc, etc etc to support their white supremist agendas.
There were black Moors as well as white Moors. The word “Moor” derives from a latin word for black or dark complexioned. The Spanish applied the term Moor to ALL Muslims living in North west Africa, that included North African Arabs, White skinned Berbers, Dark skinned Berbers, and sub Saharan Blacks living in North Africa. They were all Moors, and all had a part in the conquest of Iberia. Go to a library and educate yourself.
I found when I had my DNA typed to prove the quantum for my NA side that I am also African and Middle Eastern. Guessing since I am part nothern Italian (where there was Moor invasion and rule) I may have Moor heritage as well – Hard to find much history posted on-line – any ideas?
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Shakespeare called the Moors “black”, but then there are also references from the same time to the Turks being “as black as pitch”, Jews being “black” and “black Irish”. The reason, as stated over and over again, is that at the time anyone who was any darker than you were was considered to be black. For instance the German writers of the 15th century called the Italians “black”. Also, remember that Shakespeare lived in England over a hundred years after the last Moor was driven out of Spain, and never saw a real Moor in his life. The actual Spanish, Portuguese, French people who saw the Moors made numerous artworks depricting Moors, and the Moors made artistic depictions of themselves. They are only ever shown as “Arabic”-looking, never “blackskinned” (whatever that means).
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Your essay is riddled with error early on. Carthaginians were not black, and they didn’t originate from Africa. They originated in canaan around modern day lebanon, and they were an indo-european group in the cannannite language family, which also includes the hebrews. Hannibal Barca also never commited suicide, he fled to Antiochus of Seleucia to provide millitary advisement against the Romans. If your going to go on a racist diatribe at least get your facts straight you idiot.
And all these groups of people you are trying to peg as “black” are definetly not white like a Norwegian, but they definetly aren’t of a sub Saharan negroid racial ancestry either. The closest thing to that would have been the Nubians who were in Ethiopia, a good ways away from the straight of Gibraltar.
Now I do believe you are correct about the Moors, but they came a great deal after the Carthaginian/Phoenician colonists.
Hey T. In the “Islamic” period you refer to I.E ottoman/Seljuks???? The states of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia didn’t even exist. All this racist talk about how your
black forefathers were so great and enterprising is b.s. LET’S BE REAL. BLACK AFRICANS HAVE MADE MINISCULE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE WORLD IN SCIENCE, MEDICINE, CULTURE ETC… Arabs,Muslims,Berbers yes. Not Black, Negroid people. I’m sorry.
Blacks in general have a primitive tribal mentality which is the reason there are no promising black dominated countries in the entire world. In fact most blacks that have contribute to the world in fields like science and politics, medicine, culture, in the modern age were not from Africa. Sub Saharan Africa is a tribal/ethnic dump. Before the unfortunate slave harvesting by the muslim and Christian nations in the age of discovery and now after slavery and apartheid, Africa and the carribean are more valued for their cruises and safaris then for there actual contributions. Greed, corruption, evil, Disease, Famine,Genocide,slavery,Sexual slavery, Military slavery. With the exception of Hitler’s Germany itself himself there has never been a more Godless and Forgotten dump than Africa in the history of earth. If you want to prove that black people are just as capable and intelligent as whites,asians,arabs,jews etc… (I believe its a cultural problem and I know many very intelligent black individuals) then prove it in the modern world, you won’t find it in your history or in your modern ancestral homeland. Make an individual effort.
I’m sorry if I offended anyone. Allthough I do believe what I said is true, I realize I say it at the expense of sounding like a racist bastard.
Alex
Of course you are a racist bastard. And a very unread and ignorant one at that. You have only succeeded in making yourself look pathetic and wretched.
Don’t waste your time apologizing instead go seek some psychotherapy to purge your soul of its venomous villainy.
Jahdey
Considering Africa is the birthplace of all humanity.. Africa’s greatest contribution to the world is all humanity itself. And we are not talkin about North Africa either.
SALUTATIONS…ISM SCHISM PERMEATES MANKINDS JOURNEY….A POSITION OF TITLE….SOCIAL STATUS ACCORDING TO A CORRUPT SYSTEM…..AFRICA CONTRIBUTED TO THE SCIENCES IN MANY WAYS…..MOST DISEASES ORIGINATED FROM THE UNCLEAN WAY EUROPEANS LIVED…..SO GROUPS NEar the problems came up with cures far from the sub-saharan….but….with the basics learned through countless generations with roots in africa….
AFRICA LIVED ACCORDING TO THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE……MESSENGERS HAVE TRAVEL MANY LANDS….ENCOUNTER MANY A SICK MULTITUDES….BUT BEING BLACK BECAME A WAY FOR OTHERS TO DISTRUST….SO THE KNOWLEDGE WAS GIVEN TO OTHERS NOT AS BLACK….WHO THEN INTRODUCED MANY A CURE….ORIGINS OF AFRICA NOT RECOGNIZED….THE TRAFFIC LIGHT,PLASMA FOR BLOOD TRANFUSIONS,ALL MADE POSSIBLE BY A BLACK MAN IN AN ALL WHITE AMERICA….THE FIBERS OF KNOWLEDGE FROM AFRICA….
hello,i have just found out,about early Africans in India,and i was simply astonished!I had no idea,the Dravidians were Black!It’s a real shame,that a lot of Americans of african descent,are ignorant of these historical facts.It’s damn bad,that the arrogant whites,only see history from a Euro-centric view.They seem
to believe,the most important aspects of history,should revolve
around either:American history,or European history.Everything else,is secondary,or not relevant.
And how can they say,Egyptians are not black? Have they not read the early greek historians accounts,of Egyptians? They want to “white-tify” or attach themselves to any great monumental
wonder of the world,it seems.And yet,they claim that blacks are inferior,but yet the math they(europeans)use,originate in Northern africa,ancient Babylon,and india.Even the way we measure time,comes from the Babylonian system of measurement.
why don’t most loud mouth ignorant
whites,shut up and read further,before opening their Mouths?!
such as Alex,who made some crass ass comments earlier.So to all Peoples of African Descent,across the world: Be proud of your..our heritage.For we are a great people,who have overcame great obstacles,thrown at us by the”children of Satan”.And not all whites are evil..but if you look at things from a world view,
they have always,tried to dominate all things.And im not a racist,i can get along with anyone.But everytime a black does something wrong,the first thing comes out of a whites mouth,is :
That Nigga are to be sent back home!Etc,like a while back when singer akon,threw a white kid off the stage.What Akon did,was wrong,
but a lot of the comments were uncalled for.
The Dravidians aren’t “Black”. they just have dark skin because they live in a warm tropical climate. The same way “black” people who live in warmer climates than other “blacks” have darker skin, while “black” people who live in colder climates have lighter skin. Likewise Swedes and Italisn are both “white”, but Swedes have lighter skin than Italians, because they live in a colder climate. I think this is becoming a deliberate wind-up now, as simply having “dark skin” proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about your race or ethnic group. There are Arabs who live in say turkey who arw whiter than many Europeans, while Arabs in North Sudan are darker than many “black” people. Why? The people from the cooler climate are lighter than people from the darker climate. The Moors lived in Morocco and so would obviously be much darker than fair-skinned English people from snowy Great Britian. The same way Northern, Arctic-zone Chinese are lighter than brown-skinned Chinese from south China. But they’re both equally Chinese.
The Dravidians aren’t “Black”. they just have dark skin because they live in a warm tropical climate. The same way “black” people who live in warmer climates than other “blacks” have darker skin, while “black” people who live in colder climates have lighter skin. Likewise Swedes and Italisn are both “white”, but Swedes have lighter skin than Italians, because they live in a colder climate. I think this is becoming a deliberate wind-up now, as simply having “dark skin” proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about your race or ethnic group. There are Arabs who live in say turkey who arw whiter than many Europeans, while Arabs in North Sudan are darker than many “black” people. Why? The people from the cooler climate are lighter than people from the darker climate. The Moors lived in Morocco and so would obviously be much darker than fair-skinned English people from snowy Great Britian. The same way Northern, Arctic-zone Chinese are lighter than brown-skinned Chinese from south China. But they’re both equally Chinese.
(I tried to post a relevant link, but it was blocked as “Spam”)
Anyways, rather than looking at the people’s skin tone, look at the noses, the lips, the skull shape, the area around the eyes, the cheekbones etc. It’s obvious that Moors, Egyptians, Carthaginians etc are just “white” people who live in much warmer climates, and so are dark-skinned as the natural result of tanning.
another interesting link
http://www.exclassics.com/martyrdom/martc210.htm
“Black” and “white” are descrptive of skin color. It has nothing t do with shape of noses , lips, cheekbones as these things vary among the races. And bonafide “black” people have all different nose structures, lip sizes, hair texture etc. Blacks are dark skinned people. The Dravidians are not African “negroes”, but they are black i.e. dark skinned. Whites are by definition very light skinned people. Therefore there can bee no dark skinned whites because thats a contradiction in terms. A peole cant be both white i.e light skinned,, and dark skinned. The Egyptians were not only by their own testimony black i.e dark skinned,, by the unanimous testimony of ancient writers they were black i.e dark skinned.
The term Arab is not an racial term but a linguistic one. Anyone who speaks arabic as their primary language is an Arab. Thats why the Arabs of Sudan are as dark as their neighbors. They are all African Blacks. The difference is one group speaks Arabic and identifies with Arabic culture,, the other people speak African languages and identify with traditional African cultures.
The term Arab is not an racial term but a linguistic one. Anyone who speaks arabic as their primary language is an Arab. Thats why the Arabs of Sudan are as dark as their neighbors. They are all African Blacks. The difference is one group speaks Arabic and identifies with Arabic culture,, the other people speak African languages and identify with traditional African cultures.
WOW…..I WAS JUST ABOUT TO WRITE SOMETHING WHEN I REALIZE THAT RACE IS A BLINDFOLD NOT EASILY REMOVED BY MANKIND….BIRDS NO MATTER SIZE COLOR IS A BIRD…CATS ARE CATS….DOGS ARE DOGS…FISH ARE FISH…BUT MAN RECOGNIZES NOT THE POSSIBILITY OF VARIETY OR DIVERSITY…ALL YOUR KINGDOMS HAVE FELL….NOT ONE CAN SAY WE ARE THE BEST….THE HUMAN RACE IS A VOLATILE CONTINUAL EXPRESSION OF CHANGE….LIFE WILL ALWAYS TEACH US ABOUT OUR IGNORANCE….I BOW TO NONE….YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE CORRUPTED….YOUR HEARTS HOUSE DECEPTION..
Why do caucasians alway use the West African phenotype as the only way to classify negroid peoples. The greatest phenoptypical variety exists in negroid peoples. There are no dark whites unless you are speaking of someone who is both negroid and Caucasoid… pure Caucasians are not dark brown. I challenge anyone who calls themselves an Arab, Caribean Hispanic, or so called Dark White to test their DNA…I bet negroid alleles will be found.
CREATION NEEDS NO REPRESENTATION….JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY,AND ISLAM HAVE FALLEN INTO THE WEAKNESS OF MANKINDS SOCIAL CLASSIFICATION YEARNING….MANY WANT A SEAT OF POWER AND SEEK TO CONFUSE THE PEOPLE WITH HOW LEARNED THEY ARE….STUMBLING STONES WILL FILL THE ROADS OF MANY WHO TRY TO ENTICE THE SEEDS OF MANKIND….FOR JUST LIKE THE SEASONS PEOPLE SWAY WITH INFLUENCES OF GENETICS NOT TO BE CONQUER BY RACE OR CREED….CREATION IS FREE FOR ALL WHO COME TO ACCEPT SIBLINGS NO MATTER WHAT COLOR OR ORIGIN….YES THE BEGINNINGS ARE IN AFRICA BUT NOT LIMITED…..
Okay, please read this, and please try to understand. “White” and “black” are simply a result of exposure to the sun. “Africa” and “Europe” are arbitrary geographical terms, nothing more.
Race exists in terms of DNA. Whose DNA is more closely linked to who else’s? THAT is race, people with the most similar Genetic/DNA patterns. There will of course be variation WITHIN one race, if there wasn’t everyone would look identical!
To explain, let’s take the Negroid race as an example. Ethiopians, Nigerians, Zulus, and Mbuti Pygmies are all equally Negroid, although there are definite West African, Central African etc subtypes. Then there is more subtle variation within those subtypes. Also, anyone with any powers of observation will see that Ethiopians are much closer to Caucasoids than Zulus are to Caucasoids, but Ethiopians still are much more closely related to Zulus than they are to Caucasoids, so they’re Negroid.. Easy?
Now let’s say Caucasoids. Some guy whined about people using “West Africans” as the definitive Negroid. Well you people are using Swedish/English types as the definitive Caucasoid. Why?
Anyone could easily tell that say a Berber is closer related to a Negroid than a German is. No one is denying that. However, a Berber is MUCH closer DNA-wise to the German than to the Negroid, thus the Berber is classified as Caucasoid. Likewise an Estonian Caucasoid is closer to a Mongoloid than a Welshman would be. But the Estonian and the Welshman are much closer to each other than either is to the Mongoloid, thus they’re both Caucasoid.
Eastern Caucasoids are genetically closer to Mongoloids than Western Caucasoids are, but Eastern Caucasoids are still just Caucasoid.
Southern Caucasoids are closer to Negroids than Northern Caucasoids are, but Southern Caucasoids are still just Caucasoids.
Northern Negroids are closer to Caucasoids than Southern negroids are. but Northern Negroids are still just Negroids.
ALL Caucasoids are Caucasoid. Well obviously. Some are darker skinned than others. Some live in a different continent to the others. But they’re all Caucasoid.
Dunns
Read this post and learn:
The Original Africans Of Europe – By – Ogu Eji Ofo Annu at Rastalivewire.
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-africans-of-europe-by-ogu-eji-ofo-annu/
Pitying your soul
Jahdey
here’s somepics of north africans:
http://www.acrossthedivide.com/wikipedia/sahara.htm
And note that’s a WIKIPEDIA article. Wikipedia promotes “Afrocentrism”, “Black Jesus”, “Black Egypt”, yet their own images prove otherwise!:)
what happened to the other link about “Africa”?
Okay look here:
http://carnby.altervista.org/ripley/ripleyps.htm
Pay particular note to the “North Africans” pictures….
Pay particular attention to page 16 North African Senegalese Moor.
http://carnby.altervista.org/ripley/ripleyps.htm
For EVERYBODY here: The term “Moor” was often used to denote ANY Muslim, whether they be Albanian, Arabic, or African. The original Moors were Semitic people who look like modern Iraqis and Syrians. At that time, most popualtion terms were religiously, rather than racially, based. Thus any Muslim was a “Moor”. There are references to Indonesian “Moors”, Indian “Moors”, Nigerian “Moors” etc.
Perhaps the only point on which the original poster and I agree is the postulation that peoples from the African continent crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to southern Spain. I, too, have found the argument that people crossed vast mountain ranges and hundreds of miles of frigid tundra yet couldnt cross an 8-mile straight ludicrous at best. However, the rest of the original article was clearly motivated by pro-”African” racism. America (and to a lesser degree, Canada) is the only country in the world in which a population of dramatically different people can be referred to by the name of the land mass they inhabit. Using color to define a person is ridiculous. We have many persons of mixed “African” and “Caucasian” heritage in America, but is it fair to call them black? People are defined by their LANGUAGE and CULTURE, not by their skin color. By such a definition, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of cultures within the African continent. To argue that “Africans” are responsible for all the contributions to science, language, religion, etc is as assinine as to claim Europeans or Asians are. If we’re going to give continents rather than cultures credit for advancements in civilization, forgive me for being the one to point it out, but the first written language was developed by ASIANS, the oldest known paintings were created by EUROPEANS, and the first known seafarers were AUSTRALIANS. To be even more frank and perhaps a bit “racist” if you will, what, pray tell, has Africa south of the equator contributed to the world—past or present? Its a fact that such people, as recently as a hundred years ago, posessed a technology so primitive as to lack objects as simple as the wheel, candle/lamp and shoe, technologies cultures the world over have posessed for THOUSANDS of years. To say all persons from the African continent are the same or have made comparable contributions to human history is ABSURD.
I agree with H. D. Thomas! Race is an illusion made up in present day to make certain people feel like they aare better than others. In all reality people in ancient time did not classify each other strictly based on color. They typed them by their culture and their culture was marked by their religion. That’s the big issue, !Religion! Honestly I couldn’t care less Whether or not Ancient Egyptians or Hebrews or “Black Africans” or Italians or Asians could fit into a general accepted category because most likely I won’t agree with it. Did you know that it’s been scientifically proven that Nefrititi had PURE BLACK FEATURES AND BROWN SKIN? There were a bunch of scientist who did a whole bunch of tests on her mummy and you know what her model came out looking like? A BLACK WOMAN. But, still people will think of her as white I’m sure. You know it’s funny though because not long after this discovery I went to Vegas and saw a slot machine game with a white Nefrititi with black features. Did it shake me? No. Did I get angry? No. I realized that it was a marketing strategy, afterall most of the people who were at that casino were “Caucasoid”. So now we’ve established the fact that it’s just IMPOSSIBLE for the Egyptians or Moors to be black because they were fair or olive. Right? Okay so now what about all of the extremely dark North Africans, Middle Eastern Arabs, and Indians who are darker than some “Black africans” because contrary to what most people think, NOT all “Black fricans are black in color. They are many shades of brown or even dark olive but most people wouldn’t know that because they are ignorant. Are these “non-black Arabs” white too? If you said yes, then I pity you because that just means your little heart just wants to be a close to white as possible.
If their white, then what the hell is white? Why don’t the Eurasian, and Asians, and Pacific Asians and the Native Americans all just be classified as white? Oh but wait some pacific asians and Isrealies have “African”-like hair. Ah man, we’re gonna have to cross some off the list. So now of the rest, who do these EXTREMELY dark skinned NON-BLACK individuals look most like:
A.Europeans: England, Russia, etc.
B.Asians: China, Vietnam, etc.
C.Black Africans: Senegal, Kenya, etc.
D.Native Americans: Cherokee, Aztec, Mayan, etc.
E.Modern day (non-white, non-black)hispanics
En mi opinion se ven como los hispanos. But, that is just my opinion. If i were to mistake these individuals for anything other than what then are by appeared to be, I would say they looked hispanic. But that is PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE considering they are worlds away. But they are much too dark to be considered Caucasian, they don’t look anywhere close to Chinease, and North American Native Americans and Pacific Islanders still look kinda Asian so Hispanic are kinda sort a perfect fit. Right?
Anyone reading this may think I am an extremely racist person. But, I’m not. I only say these thing to prove a point. I have friends from all over. I know a girl who is portuguese and an ignorant person called her a racial slur because they thought she was Mexican and in America Mexican means anything and anyone who speaks spanish a first language and looks different. Think about that. Can you see what’s wrong with that picture? Needless to say my friend has no hispanic blood in her and don’t speak a lick of Spanish. But, I can tell you as a 96% non racist, that she could pass for Hispanic but not Mexican. There are so many cultures of latin AMerica and none are the same. Agentina and Uruguay are full of “Aryan” but, Latin America is prodominetly composed of the descendents of Native Americans who were from asia, but they don’t look asian any more. Because these people evolved would it be wrong to say that part of their heritage is Asian? Which means the North Africans COULD HAVE BEEN ASIANS AND EVOLVED! But that’s just silly.
So, let us all just go back to back to our white made history books and accepted everything that they tell us including the fact that we all used to be monkies and that a gigantic crater is going to kill us all in year 2012 and the Anti-christ will come from the middle East and blah blah blah… After all these peopl are the winners and everyone wants to be a winner!
What is this insane obsession with needing to claim that certain historic peoples and cultures are “African” in origin? Again, some people(quite a lot in fact) earlier on pointed out that the idea of a unified “African race” is bs. While certain contributions to European civilization undoubtedly came from parts of the African continent, there is no connectio between these peoples and the “African” (meaning black negro) peoples who are “Afrocentric”. Northern Africa is, and always has, been a part of the Middle East, and has no link to Sub-Saharan DNA, culture, or anything else. There is no single “African” people or civilization. There is North Africa, and then there is Sub-Saharan Africa, and never the twain shall meet.
Al said:
”The islamics simply worked on what ancient cultures they conquered. The very religion of islam,disallows for evolution – they never developed anything – except perhaps “al-mohadas.—
What about Averroes, Avicena, Ibn Battuta, Ibn Khaldun, Alhacen, Abubacer, Al-Kindi and
Al Khwarizmi. The early Muslim society has made a huge contribution to the developement of mankind. Muslims have had a great deal to do with developing algebra, astronomy, astrology, architecture and medicine. Look up, Averroes. A Muslim thinker who is considered one of the fathers of modern Western thought. You dont have many of those in Black Africa, do you Al. Sure the early Muslims have been influenced by earlier greats and they acknowledged that they were. The fact that they took that knowledge, respected it and worked to expand it, has to be respected. Instead of staying in the deserts (eating sand), they conquered half of the known world and embraced the Greek, Persian and Chinese/Asian knowledge they encountred. You cant say that about any Black societies. I truely have no idea what your reference to the Allmohads was about. What is it about them that makes you think they were so great? I agree that they did many great thing, Im just curious why you are so fond of them, because you know they were non-Blacks right? Muslims have been fucking up lately. I totally agree. But, for centuries (800-1600) the Muslim world was cutting edge and more interested in learning than they were in destroying.