Comments on: Medieval Europe Before The Advent of The Black Moors of Africa http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/ Rastafarian Views on Life, Politics and Social Issues Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Cassandra http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-28632 Cassandra Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:56:13 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-28632 Interesting, you seem to present that information as a revelation. However, I was raised in the UK and I can tell you we learned all this in history class - how the Moors brought civilization, culture and a respect for learning back to Europe. How a rediscovery of Arab culture prompted the renaissance...no biggy. There's still a joke Australians tell about the English...something about hiding your cash under the bar of soap. Interesting, you seem to present that information as a revelation. However, I was raised in the UK and I can tell you we learned all this in history class – how the Moors brought civilization, culture and a respect for learning back to Europe. How a rediscovery of Arab culture prompted the renaissance…no biggy.

There’s still a joke Australians tell about the English…something about hiding your cash under the bar of soap.

]]> By: terrell ali bey http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-25249 terrell ali bey Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:32:05 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-25249 what is the geneology of isis,book of genesis ,rewritten book of isis.white comes through 1600-1611 king james bible,thats your origin to white ,we the moors were the free white sovereign nobles ,nobility ,land ownership landlord ,you know damn well what it means an that monkey you said was obama comes from his mothers side, your side mankind positive blood types which carry diseases.you know this an this is why you featured this in the post to hide the fact of who really comes from monkeys an its not the black people like you told them its you.dont come here now trying to steal moorish knowledge an anything more that the ones we raised an civilized an taught how to be ,to being to be human. we will no longer accept anything from you but what is ours ,tribute praise a repsect.you taught an bought nothing to the planet but christianized roman commerce chattel slavery we are under today, what is the geneology of isis,book of genesis ,rewritten book of isis.white comes through 1600-1611 king james bible,thats your origin to white ,we the moors were the free white sovereign nobles ,nobility ,land ownership landlord ,you know damn well what it means an that monkey you said was obama comes from his mothers side, your side mankind positive blood types which carry diseases.you know this an this is why you featured this in the post to hide the fact of who really comes from monkeys an its not the black people like you told them its you.dont come here now trying to steal moorish knowledge an anything more that the ones we raised an civilized an taught how to be ,to being to be human. we will no longer accept anything from you but what is ours ,tribute praise a repsect.you taught an bought nothing to the planet but christianized roman commerce chattel slavery we are under today,

]]> By: terrell ali bey http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-25248 terrell ali bey Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:19:34 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-25248 closing technique question spells from europe,,,,,,,,,why was morrocco established in 1950,why was amazigh the name of whats called morocco,are you saying the europeanswere from africa in origin,there are three kinds of berbers in morocco ,you know that ,why are talikng only about the ones who live up in the mountains,whateven makes no sennse ,man kind is the grafted caucasion period we are man,all of the positive blood people who invaded come from monkeys an grafting.yes they stole the fez they still wear an mothers suns in tribute.nonsense makes no sense.slavs make slaves an angelo soliman taught ya what you know in rome.keep coming here to learn about your self an the lies your forefathers have told you.what isakebulan do you know ,the reverse etymology thats used for tricks with no treat.who sends you to these blogs to dispute that which you have no knowledge of,the ones who lies an told you you come from a phallus of a male god an not a womb.we shouldnt have towaste energy telling you what you already know just those who have gone for your faith an hope ponzi sceme on their own land.faithis the substance of things hoped for ,but facts end hope,if you have to ask weak closing technique questions which always begin with why then it shows an effort to hide an block reality an reduce it t a derivitive truth originated by fiction fantasy an the trading of places in time of wombman an mankind ,kind of a man,that question ,,why doesnt mankind ,,mankind only been on this planet 6000 years so thats all you know.we have nbeen here for over 100,000 years al least an you telling us where we come from,whats nonsense an who is the criminal.stopwith these real estate techniques or lawyer techniques cause it show that you are lying an know reality ,so you come here to try an hide an divide it.you havent studied anymore than what you have been told ,you are not white if your skin is pale red ruddy mystic amazon turk looking.thats wqhat you are not white closing technique question spells from europe,,,,,,,,,why was morrocco established in 1950,why was amazigh the name of whats called morocco,are you saying the europeanswere from africa in origin,there are three kinds of berbers in morocco ,you know that ,why are talikng only about the ones who live up in the mountains,whateven makes no sennse ,man kind is the grafted caucasion period we are man,all of the positive blood people who invaded come from monkeys an grafting.yes they stole the fez they still wear an mothers suns in tribute.nonsense makes no sense.slavs make slaves an angelo soliman taught ya what you know in rome.keep coming here to learn about your self an the lies your forefathers have told you.what isakebulan do you know ,the reverse etymology thats used for tricks with no treat.who sends you to these blogs to dispute that which you have no knowledge of,the ones who lies an told you you come from a phallus of a male god an not a womb.we shouldnt have towaste energy telling you what you already know just those who have gone for your faith an hope ponzi sceme on their own land.faithis the substance of things hoped for ,but facts end hope,if you have to ask weak closing technique questions which always begin with why then it shows an effort to hide an block reality an reduce it t a derivitive truth originated by fiction fantasy an the trading of places in time of wombman an mankind ,kind of a man,that question ,,why doesnt mankind ,,mankind only been on this planet 6000 years so thats all you know.we have nbeen here for over 100,000 years al least an you telling us where we come from,whats nonsense an who is the criminal.stopwith these real estate techniques or lawyer techniques cause it show that you are lying an know reality ,so you come here to try an hide an divide it.you havent studied anymore than what you have been told ,you are not white if your skin is pale red ruddy mystic amazon turk looking.thats wqhat you are not white

]]> By: Sjaak http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-24950 Sjaak Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:26:27 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-24950 Whatever, you make alot of sense. Whatever, you make alot of sense.

]]> By: r.s http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-24904 r.s Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:22:51 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-24904 what these white light weights keep intentionaly ignoring is the meaning of the words that they are usiing.the word berber does not denote a race; it is a term given to a groupe of people ; derived from the word barbarian. this is a brief explanation ; look up the etymology. As well the word arab does not denote a race; it also is a appelation given to a PEOPLE to define their way of living: nomadic and in a arid or desert environment.. now here is what you racist whites refuse to accept. THE ORIGINAL BERBER AND THE ORIGIN ARABS ; HELLO / WHERE BLACK. PERIOD .why?because north africa IS { DISPITE YOUR WARP MIND SET; ] IN AFRICA. Those blacks whom decided to live out side the main cites of ancient africa where given these names it had nothing to do with thier race . The reason north africa had and has today a lighter or {semitic] which means mixed with; or half of ; {semi] half . is because they are mixed with the original indiginous blacks whom has lived there from the drawn of time . No one would augue that the indians of north america are the original people of america{ rather they were red or black} thats an other story;yet it took less than ywo hundred year to wipe out ; absorb or other wise displace these people; so much so that even a hundred years ago one would hardly recognize them as the original people. Besides that ; let us say for your auguement that the berber and arabs are a race . Ok / were did they get their learning that they could take it into spain. Remember they were normadic tribes ; at constant war with each other. They would have had to have gotten their learning from an exsisting and stable sourse ; namely black kemit as well as timbuktu which were black empires. what these white light weights keep intentionaly ignoring is the meaning of the words that they are usiing.the word berber does not denote a race; it is a term given to a groupe of people ; derived from the word barbarian. this is a brief explanation ; look up the etymology. As well the word arab does not denote a race; it also is a appelation given to a PEOPLE to define their way of living: nomadic and in a arid or desert environment.. now here is what you racist whites refuse to accept. THE ORIGINAL BERBER AND THE ORIGIN ARABS ; HELLO / WHERE BLACK. PERIOD .why?because north africa IS { DISPITE YOUR WARP MIND SET; ] IN AFRICA. Those blacks whom decided to live out side the main cites of ancient africa where given these names it had nothing to do with thier race . The reason north africa had and has today a lighter or {semitic] which means mixed with; or half of ; {semi] half . is because they are mixed with the original indiginous blacks whom has lived there from the drawn of time . No one would augue that the indians of north america are the original people of america{ rather they were red or black} thats an other story;yet it took less than ywo hundred year to wipe out ; absorb or other wise displace these people; so much so that even a hundred years ago one would hardly recognize them as the original people. Besides that ; let us say for your auguement that the berber and arabs are a race . Ok / were did they get their learning that they could take it into spain. Remember they were normadic tribes ; at constant war with each other. They would have had to have gotten their learning from an exsisting and stable sourse ; namely black kemit as well as timbuktu which were black empires.

]]> By: Nehesy http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-2/#comment-24857 Nehesy Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:48:12 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-24857 DNA Evidence of the Black Moors in Spain: "Human mitochondrial DNA diversity in an archaeological site in al-Andalus: Genetic impact of migrations from North Africa in medieval Spain Mitochondrial DNA sequences and restriction fragment polymorphisms were retrieved from three Islamic 12th-13th century samples of 71 bones and teeth (with >85% efficiency) from Madinat Baguh (today called Priego de Cordoba, Spain). Compared with 108 saliva samples from the present population of the same area, the medieval samples show a higher proportion of sub-Saharan African lineages that can only partially be attributed to the historic Muslim occupation. In fact, the unique sharing of transition 16175, in L1b lineages, with Europeans, instead of Africans, suggests a more ancient arrival to Europe from Africa. The present day Priego sample is more similar to the current south Iberian population than to the medieval sample from the same area. The increased gene flow in modern times could be the main cause of this difference. Am J Phys Anthropol 2006. (c) 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc. The Link: http://www.bio.uio.no/forskning/db01-news/internet/html/nr100025.html DNA Evidence of the Black Moors in Spain:

“Human mitochondrial DNA diversity in an archaeological site in al-Andalus: Genetic impact of migrations from North Africa in medieval Spain

Mitochondrial DNA sequences and restriction fragment polymorphisms were retrieved from three Islamic 12th-13th century samples of 71 bones and teeth (with >85% efficiency) from Madinat Baguh (today called Priego de Cordoba, Spain). Compared with 108 saliva samples from the present population of the same area, the medieval samples show a higher proportion of sub-Saharan African lineages that can only partially be attributed to the historic Muslim occupation. In fact, the unique sharing of transition 16175, in L1b lineages, with Europeans, instead of Africans, suggests a more ancient arrival to Europe from Africa. The present day Priego sample is more similar to the current south Iberian population than to the medieval sample from the same area. The increased gene flow in modern times could be the main cause of this difference. Am J Phys Anthropol 2006. (c) 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

The Link:

http://www.bio.uio.no/forskning/db01-news/internet/html/nr100025.html

]]> By: Nehesy http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-1/#comment-24856 Nehesy Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:31:32 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-24856 "Allso why have the ancient Egyptians painted the ancient Libyans (ancestors of modern Berbers) as white" It's not true the first libyans painted by Egyptians were called TEHENOUS; and they were blacks: SAHURE TOMB (Old Kingdom) The White Libyans were called : TAMAHOUS Even, Sir Alan Gardiner the British scholar ( Egyptian Grammar) said that they were 2 races in Libya : The Tehenous (Blacks) and Tamahous (Whites). Sir Alan Gardiner said in his "Egyptian Grammar" that the Old Egyptian language is closest to AFRICAN LANGUAGES...Old Egyptian is not a SEMITIC Language... Besides THE OLD SEMITES were blacks from Africa : see Christopher Ehret, "The Civilizations of Africa: A History to 1800" and this link; http://worldhistoryconnected.press.uiuc.edu/2.1/ehret.html "If Black Africans were so ingenius to develop such brilliant societies in North Africa/Middle East/Europe, then why is Southern Africa so devoid of any great accomplishments in ancient times." NOT TRUE The Empire of Ghana (near Mauritania) was a Black Empire. We have the oldest buildings in Zimbabwe (Stones) and it was a Black Empire as well. At this time Europeans didn't build big monuments with hard material. Ghana is older than Rome and Greeks were students in Africa (Egypt)... In north africa (except Egypt), The Romans and Carthaginians (some of them blacks) have built the greatest monuments. Djenné in Mali was according many French Sholars built with the same architectural technique than ancient Egypt. Kerma in Soudan ( around 3000 BC ) had buildings (see ;The Nubian Pharaohs: Black Kings on the Nile by Dominique Valbelle; Charles Bonnet ) when Europeans or whites lived in caves. http://wysinger.homestead.com/kerma.html When Napata ( Soudan) existed Europeans lived in caves as well.... If one day you visit a museum....Specially those dedicated to Ancient Egypt you'll see that Ancient Egyptians were blacks. - I know the Louvres Musueum : No doubt they were blacks - I went to the British Museum : They have many gigantic statues of black pharoahs like Ramses II (Ramessu ) and Toutmosis III (Djehutymesu) and their noses are not broken... - I went to the Flinders Petrie Museum in London , and in the Old Kingdoms, the ancient Egyptians used AFRO COMBS.....This museum looks like an African village...: Pottery, Strings of pearls, Knifes, Headlocks, Afro Combs and many figurines show african features ( called unknown in this museum...) “Allso why have the ancient Egyptians painted the ancient Libyans (ancestors of modern Berbers) as white”

It’s not true the first libyans painted by Egyptians were called TEHENOUS; and they were blacks: SAHURE TOMB (Old Kingdom)

The White Libyans were called : TAMAHOUS

Even, Sir Alan Gardiner the British scholar ( Egyptian Grammar) said that they were 2 races in Libya : The Tehenous (Blacks) and Tamahous (Whites). Sir Alan Gardiner said in his “Egyptian Grammar” that the Old Egyptian language is closest to AFRICAN LANGUAGES…Old Egyptian is not a SEMITIC Language…

Besides THE OLD SEMITES were blacks from Africa : see Christopher Ehret, “The Civilizations of Africa: A History to 1800″ and this link;

http://worldhistoryconnected.press.uiuc.edu/2.1/ehret.html

“If Black Africans were so ingenius to develop such brilliant societies in North Africa/Middle East/Europe, then why is Southern Africa so devoid of any great accomplishments in ancient times.”

NOT TRUE

The Empire of Ghana (near Mauritania) was a Black Empire.
We have the oldest buildings in Zimbabwe (Stones) and it was a Black Empire as well. At this time Europeans didn’t build big monuments with hard material. Ghana is older than Rome and Greeks were students in Africa (Egypt)…

In north africa (except Egypt), The Romans and Carthaginians (some of them blacks) have built the greatest monuments.

Djenné in Mali was according many French Sholars built with the same architectural technique than ancient Egypt.

Kerma in Soudan ( around 3000 BC ) had buildings (see ;The Nubian Pharaohs: Black Kings on the Nile by Dominique Valbelle; Charles Bonnet ) when Europeans or whites lived in caves.

http://wysinger.homestead.com/kerma.html

When Napata ( Soudan) existed Europeans lived in caves as well….

If one day you visit a museum….Specially those dedicated to Ancient Egypt you’ll see that Ancient Egyptians were blacks.

- I know the Louvres Musueum : No doubt they were blacks
- I went to the British Museum : They have many gigantic statues of black pharoahs like Ramses II (Ramessu ) and Toutmosis III (Djehutymesu) and their noses are not broken…
- I went to the Flinders Petrie Museum in London , and in the Old Kingdoms, the ancient Egyptians used AFRO COMBS…..This museum looks like an African village…: Pottery, Strings of pearls, Knifes, Headlocks, Afro Combs and many figurines show african features ( called unknown in this museum…)

]]> By: whatever http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-1/#comment-23542 whatever Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:06:42 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-23542 Allso by believing that people stole the Black Moorish and ancient Egyptian achievements from Blacks, you asume that the Semitic Muslims are less hated than Blacks. I mean you guys believe that all these white European scholars hate Blacks so much that they rather take Black history and give them to the Arabs/Berbers. This is of course riduculous since Arabs are the single most hated ethnic group in the entire world. In a time when Arabs (Muslim Semites) are the subject of the entire worlds hatred, nothing would be spared discredit them or the achievements of their ancestors. Just think about it. Allso by believing that people stole the Black Moorish and ancient Egyptian achievements from Blacks, you asume that the Semitic Muslims are less hated than Blacks. I mean you guys believe that all these white European scholars hate Blacks so much that they rather take Black history and give them to the Arabs/Berbers. This is of course riduculous since Arabs are the single most hated ethnic group in the entire world. In a time when Arabs (Muslim Semites) are the subject of the entire worlds hatred, nothing would be spared discredit them or the achievements of their ancestors. Just think about it.

]]> By: whatever http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-1/#comment-23520 whatever Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:48:00 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-23520 loanlady, youre absolutely right, but the vast majority of Berbers (especially those living along the coasts of Africa) are not Black. Allso why have the ancient Egyptians painted the ancient Libyans (ancestors of modern Berbers) as white. They painted themselves as brown and the Nubians as Black. If, according to Jahdey, the entire worlds civilization stems from Black Africa, why is it then that Africa below the Ethiopia and the Sahara was not known to mankind. All the ancient world maps draw Africa as going no further then the southern tip of the Sahara. It just doesnt make any sense. Another point is the lack of any evidence that point to some great ancient civilization in sub-Saharan Africa. If Black Africans were so ingenius to develop such brilliant societies in North Africa/Middle East/Europe, then why is Southern Africa so devoid of any great accomplishments in ancient times. Again, it doesnt make any sense. At some time in history mankind went from roaming across plains to living a sedetary life style. They built houses and farms. This change took place in modern-day Iraq. Trade went up and people started living in close together. Its called the birth of civilization. This didnt happen in Africa, it happened in West Asia (modern Iraq). From there 'civilization' was spread throughout the Middle East region and into Egypt, Anatolia and Greece. Wth Southern Africa being seperated from the 'civilized world' by the gigantic, scorching Sahara, this first wave of civilization simply didnt go further then Egypt. Thats how I see it. You shouldnt have to claim acievements that simply werent Black. There are numerous people/achievement blacks can and should be proud of. Years from now people around the world will speak about the most powerfull country of all time (US), and their culture that was dominated by Black people. School books will mention brilliant artists like Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Cliff Richard. How blacks were the first one to perform the classic artforms of Jazz, Blues, Soul, Reggea, Rock and Rap. A hundred years from now people will speak of Miles Davis like they speak of Beethoven. You can look at great Black leaders like Malcolm X, Luther King jr. and Mandela and be proud as hell. I know one thing, the Dutch dont have a man like Malcolm X to call their own. loanlady, youre absolutely right, but the vast majority of Berbers (especially those living along the coasts of Africa) are not Black. Allso why have the ancient Egyptians painted the ancient Libyans (ancestors of modern Berbers) as white. They painted themselves as brown and the Nubians as Black.

If, according to Jahdey, the entire worlds civilization stems from Black Africa, why is it then that Africa below the Ethiopia and the Sahara was not known to mankind. All the ancient world maps draw Africa as going no further then the southern tip of the Sahara. It just doesnt make any sense.

Another point is the lack of any evidence that point to some great ancient civilization in sub-Saharan Africa. If Black Africans were so ingenius to develop such brilliant societies in North Africa/Middle East/Europe, then why is Southern Africa so devoid of any great accomplishments in ancient times. Again, it doesnt make any sense.

At some time in history mankind went from roaming across plains to living a sedetary life style. They built houses and farms. This change took place in modern-day Iraq. Trade went up and people started living in close together. Its called the birth of civilization. This didnt happen in Africa, it happened in West Asia (modern Iraq). From there ‘civilization’ was spread throughout the Middle East region and into Egypt, Anatolia and Greece. Wth Southern Africa being seperated from the ‘civilized world’ by the gigantic, scorching Sahara, this first wave of civilization simply didnt go further then Egypt. Thats how I see it.

You shouldnt have to claim acievements that simply werent Black. There are numerous people/achievement blacks can and should be proud of. Years from now people around the world will speak about the most powerfull country of all time (US), and their culture that was dominated by Black people. School books will mention brilliant artists like Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Cliff Richard. How blacks were the first one to perform the classic artforms of Jazz, Blues, Soul, Reggea, Rock and Rap. A hundred years from now people will speak of Miles Davis like they speak of Beethoven. You can look at great Black leaders like Malcolm X, Luther King jr. and Mandela and be proud as hell. I know one thing, the Dutch dont have a man like Malcolm X to call their own.

]]> By: loanlady http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/comment-page-1/#comment-23512 loanlady Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:35:33 +0000 http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/medieval-europe-before-the-advent-of-the-black-moors-of-spain/#comment-23512 Toscana Mori: you absolutely hit the nail on the head! so many racist white people here in america and the absolute reason why they themselves suffer along with even the Black man! Toscana Mori: you absolutely hit the nail on the head! so many racist white people here in america and the absolute reason why they themselves suffer along with even the Black man!

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