Black African Origins Of The Ancient Greeks Parts 1 and 2
By: Dr. Anu Mauro
It was common knowledge in ancient times that the Greeks were a spin-off of ancient and most revered Ethiopians. The Greeks themselves recorded their much vaunted relationship with the ancient Ethiopians heros in their holy books which narrate accounts of mythological Ethiopian derived heros such as
Hercules, Persus, Athene, Cassopia, Andromeda etc.
Below are some relevant myths (edited) with ‘exploratory’ notes.
ONE
MYTH NO. 8 –THE GREEK MYTHS: VOLUME 1
THE BIRTH OF ATHENE
According to the Pelasgians, the goddess Athene was born beside Lake Tritonis in Libya, where she was found and nurtured by the three nymphs of Libya, who dress in goat-skins. As a girl she killed her play-mate, Pallas, by accident, while they were engaged in friendly combat with spear and shield and, in token of grief, set Pallas’s name before her own. (hence the name PALLAS ATHENE) — Pg. 44
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
1. Plato identified Athene, patroness of Athens, with the Libyan god-dess Neith, .. the aegis…. a magical goat-skin bag containing a serpent and protected by a Gorgon mask, was Athene’s long before Zeus claimed to be her father. Goat-skin aprons were the habitual costume of Libyan girls, and Pallas merely means ‘maiden’, or ‘youth’. Herodotus writes (iv. 189):
‘Athene’s garments and aegis were borrowed by the Greeks from the Libyan women, who are dressed in exactly the same way, except that their leather garments are fringed with thongs, not serpents.’ Ethiopian girls still wear this costume, which is sometimes ornamented with cowries, a yonic symbol.
– Robert Graves The Greek Myths: Published by Penguin Books
2…….Herodotus indicates that the loud cries of triumph, olulu, ololu, uttered in honour of Athene were of Libyan origin. . — Robert Graves: The Greek Myths.
NOTE by Anu Mauro
3. This noise producing activity in our time is now actually called
‘ullulation.’ It is the yodel like celebratory cry quite common all
across south Saharan Africa among contemporary African female populations.
Also use of this cry is still retained in the African descended cultures in the Levant (Palestine Syria Egypt etc. ) –Anu Mauro.
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
4. Pottery finds suggest a Libyan immigration into Crete as early as 4000 B.C. ; and a large number of goddess-worshipping Libyan refugees from the Western Delta seem to have arrived there when Upper and Lower Egypt were forcibly united under the First Dynasty about the year 3000 B.C. The First Minoan Age began soon afterwards, and Cretan culture spread to Thrace and
Early Helladic Greece. —- Robert Graves The Greek Myths: 1
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PART TWO
But then who were the Libyans and how are they also connected to Perseus and Andromeda and Ethiopians? …especially bearing in mind that Chemmis, located on the Nile was the name given to ancient Egypt and also translates as black or charred and that the entire continent of Africa west of Egypt
was know as Lybia in ancient times. The two word answer is ‘origins’ and ‘ancestry.’
GREEK MYTH 60 –THE GREEK MYTHS: VOLUME 1
BELUS AND THE DANAAIDS
a. KING BELUS, who ruled at Chemmis in the Thebaid, was the son of Libya by Poseidon, and twin-brother of Agenor. His wife Anchinoe daughter of Nilus, bore him the twins Aegyptus and Danaus, and a third son third son, Cepheus.
Aegyptus was given Arabia as his kingdom; but also subdued the country of the Melampodes, (blackfeet) and named it Egypt after himself.
b. Fifty sons were born to him of various mothers: Libyans, Arabians, Phoenicians, and the like. Danaus, (who was) sent to rule Libya, had fifty daughters called the Danaids, also born of various mothers: Naiads, Hamadryads. Egyptian princesses of Elephantis and Memphis, Ethiopians, and the like.
c. On Belus’s death, the twins quarrelled over their inheritance, and as a conciliatory gesture Aegyptus proposed a mass-marriage between the fifty princes and the fifty princesses. Danaus, suspecting a plot would not consent and when an oracle confirmed his fears that Aegyptus had it in his mind to kill all the Danaids, prepared to flee from Libya.
d. With Athene’s assistance, he built a ship for himself and his daughters – the first two-prowed vessel that ever took to sea – and they sailed towards Greece together, by way of Rhodes.
i. Aegyptus now sent his sons to Argos, forbidding them to return until they had punished Danaus and his whole family. On their arrival, they begged Danaus to reverse his former decision and let them marry his daughters – intending, however, to murder them on the wedding night. When he still refused, they laid siege to Argos.
j. When the siege was lifted a mass-marriage was arranged, and Danaus paired off the couples: his choice being made in some cases because the bride and bridegroom had mothers of equal rank, or because their names were similar – thus Cleite, Sthenele, and Chrysippe married Cleitus, Sthenelus, and Chrysippus
k. During the wedding-feast Danaus secretly doled out sharp pins which his daughters were to conceal in their hair; and at midnight each stabbed her husband through the heart. There was only one survivor; on Artemis’s advice, Hypermnestra saved the life of Lynceus, because he had spared her maidenhead; and helped him in his flight to the city of Lyncea, sixty furlongs away.
1. The murdered men’s heads were buried at Lema, and their bodies given full funeral honours below the walls of Argos; ….Athene and Hermes purified the Danaids in the Lemaean Lake with Zeus’s permission. Lynceus later killed Danaus, and reigned in his stead.
Meanwhile, Aegyptus had come to Greece, but when he learned lphis sons’ fate, fled to Aroe, where he died, and was buried at Patrae in a sanctuary of Serapis
NOTE ON TEXT — By Robert Graves
l. This myth records the early arrival in Greece of Helladic colonists (from Palestine, by way of Rhodes, and their introduction of agriculture into the Peloponnese. It is claimed that they included emigrants from Lybia and Ethiopia, which seems probable. — Robert Graves The Greek Myths: 1
NOTE ON TEXT — by Anu Mauro
This myth also clearly suggests that the children of Dana-us i.e. the Danaids were of African or Ethiopic origin on both their maternal and paternal sides…note their mothers place origins, as well as the paternal connection with Aegyptus, Cepheus and Belus. –Anu Mauro.
NOTE ON TEXT — by James Brunson
” Throughout the Greek legends, an Africoid or dark-skinned people are associated with Danaus and the Danaids. (The poet) Aeschylus’s, “Suppliant Maidens”, describes the Danides as “Black and smitten by the “sun”. (In the poem) when the Danaids claim an ethnic kinship to Epaphos, son of Zeus, the Argive king Pelops, rebukes them:
Nay, strangers, what ye tell is past belief
For me to hear, that ye from Argos spring
For ye to Libyan women are most like,
And no wise to our native maidens here.””
—- James Brunson : The African Presence in the Ancient Mediterranean: Isles and Mainland Greece Pg. 48 African Presence in Early Europe– Edited by Ivan Van Sertima
NOTE ON TEXT — by Anu Mauro
So this places Ethiopics not only in the early migrant populations that settled in Greece but the Danaid link can also be used to connect Perseus himself to dark skinned Ethiopic elements not to mention Andromeda and her parents . This can be gleaned from the next installment of Greek myth (Part 3) wherein the great-grand father of Perseus, his grandfather as well as his mother are shown to have had Danaaid (hence African) connections.
– Anu Mauro
Andrea cuts and paste without understanding that he is undermining himself:
Haplogroup A (Y-DNA):
In human genetics, Haplogroup A (M91) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup. Haplogroup A is localized to East Africa and Southern Africa and represents the oldest and most diverse of the human Y-chromosome haplogroups. It is believed to be the haplogroup corresponding to Y-chromosomal Adam.
Jahdey responds:
HgA Y chromosome is African. It was also observed in some Greek samples indicating the presence of a population which such profile lived in greece in ancient times. HgA indicates African men. End of argument.
Andrea proclaims:
Haplogroup R is not an African originator….One isolated clade (or clades) of Y chromosomes that appear to belong to Haplogroup R1b1* (P25) is found at high frequency among the native populations of northern Cameroon in west-central Africa, which is believed to reflect a prehistoric back-migration of an ancient proto-Eurasian population into Africa.
Jahdey Responds:
Well Andrea, all your rambling has shown you is that there are Black Africans with hgR1b1* a haplogroup which is related (subclade) to the so-called hgR. There is clear undeniable genetic kinship between all the R group. Do you follow my teachings? Then there is underived hgR* the probable ancestor of all the R haplogroup. Note the asterix on the underived R*. I cited sources for your enlightenment on the nature and origin of R*. But do some goggle it yourself, and you will find that R* is most probably African in origin according to the latest studies.
Andrea rants:
Haplogroup DE is the original YAP+ haplogroup[1]. Haplogroup DE* has been found at a very low frequency among the males of modern populations of Nigeria….(notice DE is found in very low frequences in modern Nigerian populations meaning this is another mutation introduced into Africa after the pre-historic migrartion)
Jahdey Responds:
But DE occurs in its highest frequency in Nigeria. If you know elsewhere DE is more prevalent do mention it.
Andrea quotes the racist Dieneke’s site:
If you take notice from the chart that Di Giacomo et al. provided 27.8% of Greeks fall under the HgJ2 the genetic marker, or the equivalent M304 marker arisen 31,700 years ago from the Anatolian-Caucasus regionand of which is most closely related to Haplogroup I,(most commonly in Scandinavia, Sardinia, and the Slavic populations of the Western Balkans in southeastern Europe), as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22).
Jahdey responds:
Says who? What J2 are you talking about? Do you know the Lembas of South Africa, a Black Bantu tribe? Well virtually all their men carry the J2 Cohen modal HG. The Amharas, the Oromos, the Masais, are mostly J2. In light of that fact and the admitted antiquity of Africa which gave birth to the world, where do you suppose those genes arose from?
Andrea quotes the racist Dieneke’s site:
Clades of E prevalent in Northern or Sub-Saharan Africa were not found. According to Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan people belong to a specific cluster a within haplogroup E-M78 that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans and marks migrations from the Balkan area.
Jahdey responds:
Andrea go study some real book and get off Dieneke’s blog bullclap. Dieneke is not an authority on genetics. He is just one semi-illiterate white racialist blogger misconceving scientific studies. I cited numerous references on hgE. Go read some of it. Without doubt hgE3a and E3b are all signature African gene. Do a goggle search and see how many references on this you would come up with.
Andrea:
the Haplogroup J originates in the Fertile Crescent as I broke it down for you above, not Africa. From there J is broken into two branches, J1 and J2.
Jahdey responds:
If you used your faculties more discerningly, you would have realized that Black Africans also carry the hg J2 as the Lembas, the Oromos, and a host of other East African Black men. But J2 is not found in Northern Europeans. No sir. it is found in Africa, Arabia, Mediterrenean, India and Greece, demonstrating a common kinship. Suddenly, resorting back to outmoded uses of caucasiod, caucasian, caucaucau, etc, does not effectively turn a Black Ethiopian or South African into a Northern European. What you are failing to accept is that there are more Black”caucasiods” as the term is used, than their will ever be white caucasiods. It is not a scientific term. It was an imprecise term hitherto used to define physical attributes not genetic nor blood affinity.
Jahdey continues:
Andrea must have been flabaggerstered by the data on Benin Hbs because he suddenly ignores the implication. Since it does not agree with his fundamental racialist exclusivism, he has nothing more to say to counter it. Or maybe Dieneke’s website has no mis-information left for Andrea’s cut and paste games. Answer this argument. Why do Greeks of today have Benin Hbs gene? Does this gene indicate historical contacts between Africa and Greece around Pharonic period. Yes or no? of course the answer is a resounding Yes!
Andrea also ignored the very testaments of the Greeks who spoke of their African connections, and African testaments which underline their inter-relatedness with the ancient Greek. he also ignored the subject of the main post which is an account of how the ancient Greeks view their ancestry as African.
Andrea ignored all those points because he ran out of steam. He came to Rastalive wire believing that he was messing with fellow ignoramuses. Then he got burned by knowledge, and has buried his head in shame.
This is Rastalivewire.com. InI don’t need to tell lies cause InI are royalty. We were the first monarchy and the real nobility. All others that came after are just frauds…seeking to misappropriate, or associate with what does not belong to them.
The ancient Greeks respected and worshiped Black Kushitic God/Kings and Queens of yore like Osiris whom they called Dionysius, Neith whom they called Athena, Isis whom they called Diana, Hercules, Hero, whom they called Apollo and Imhotep whom they called Asclepius. Tell me how many Nordic heros and Gods the ancient Greeks worshipped.
Myths of ancient Greece narrated by the ancient Greeks tell of their African origin. All original Africans are Black and Brown in colour. Any paler hue was a recent mutation, a late immigrant. Whether you call Black African features caucasiod or Africoid does not hide the fact that Africans are one race of people and no cheap divide and rule tactis can defeat scientific and cultural realities.
People like Andrea must learn to humble themselves and not resort to spamming, cut and paste or trolling when they are overwhelmed by a higher source of knowledge. All you need to do is humble thyself…and perhaps you will learn the root of your origin.
Jahdey
“Jahdey responds: HgA Y chromosome is African. It was also observed in some Greek samples indicating the presence of a population which such profile lived in greece in ancient times. HgA indicates African men. End of argument.”
I suggest you learn how to understand studying Haplogroups because you sure are lacking knowledge in it.
Let me explain it to you again: in that study that you quoted from Di Giacomo et al., [9] only ONE aka A SINGE haplogroup A chromosome was found (in Lesvos) which is that usually found in Africa. The remainder belonged to haplogroups found in Caucasoid populations. What that means is that Greek men are “African” is less then -.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%. You brought up Di Giacomo’s study and now you are backing away when he contradicts you? How typical.
“Jahdey Responds: Well Andrea, all your rambling has shown you is that there are Black Africans with hgR1b1* a haplogroup which is related (subclade) to the so-called hgR. There is clear undeniable genetic kinship between all the R group. Do you follow my teachings? Then there is underived hgR* the probable ancestor of all the R haplogroup. Note the asterix on the underived R*. I cited sources for your enlightenment on the nature and origin of R*. But do some goggle it yourself, and you will find that R* is most probably African in origin according to the latest studies.”
Well Jahdey, the best source on genetics is Semino et al, but I seriously doubt you would know that given your lack of understanding of the subject matter. How interesting that you only focus in on the ONE isolated clade (or clades) of Y chromosomes that appear to belong to Haplogroup R1b1* (P25) found at high frequency among the native populations of northern Cameroon in west-central Africa, but that only shows that Haplogroup R is not an African originator but a Eurasian one from the Black Sea and the Caspian Seas, let me know if you need a map as to WHERE those are located, there fore your claim that Haplogroup R found in Greeks is through “black Africans” is false, given the HgR1 Lineage originator that is found in most Europeans is thought through Eurasia not Africa.
“Jahdey Responds:
But DE occurs in its highest frequency in Nigeria. If you know elsewhere DE is more prevalent do mention it.”
Wrong. Haplogroup DE* has been found at a very low frequency among the males of modern populations of Nigeria. Haplogroup DE-YAP (the YAP+ allele) was present at high frequency in Eastern Ukrainians and only in the Japanese and was rare in other parts of east Asia (Table 2, Fig. 2). This result is consistent with previous findings of YAP+ chromosomes only in populations from Japan and Tibet in east Asia (Hammer and Horai 1995; Hammer et al. 1997; Kim et al. 2000; Tajima at al. 2002). However, haplogroup DE-YAP is also found at low frequencies in all the other northeast Asian populations sampled here (2.4% overall, excluding the Japanese; 9.6%, including the Japanese), but only in two of the southern populations (0.8% overall), suggesting that the Korean YAP+ chromosomes are unlikely to have been derived from a southeast Asian source. The prevalence of the YAP+ allele in central Asian populations suggests a genetic contribution to the east Asian populations from the northwest, probably from central Asia (Altheide and Hammer 1997; Jin and Su 2000; Karafet et al. 2001).
“Jahdey responds:
Says who? What J2 are you talking about? Do you know the Lembas of South Africa, a Black Bantu tribe? Well virtually all their men carry the J2 Cohen modal HG. The Amharas, the Oromos, the Masais, are mostly J2. In light of that fact and the admitted antiquity of Africa which gave birth to the world, where do you suppose those genes arose from?”
There is plenty scientific evidence that contradicts you.Haplogroup J2 is found frequently in Europe and in the Caucasus regions, it is not an African originated marker and its presents in Africa is through non-African peoples not the other way around. Scientists such as Semino et al. 2004, Patterns of mtDNA Diversity in Europe, Lucia Simoni, 2000 , Al-Zahery et a, Cinnioglu et al, Paracchini et al, Human Mitochondrial Haplogroup J in Europe and Near East, Piia Serk, 2004 to name just a few anthropologists and genetics, conducted studies on the the H J marker state the following: Haplogroup J (Y-DNA) (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is defined by the 12f2.1 genetic marker, or the equivalent M304 marker. Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Anatolian-Caucasus region What this means is that Genetic studies reveal that the Haplogroup J originates in the Fertile Crescent as it is broken down for you above, not Africa. From there J is broken into two branches, J1 and J2. These two branches expanded out from the Fertile Crescent about 7000-9000 years ago. J2 expanded towards Europe as a result all European J’s belong to J2 with presence found in subgroups of India, Pakistan and Nepal. J1 expanded out from the Fertile Crescent towards the Middle East, Arabia, East and North Africa. The highest frequencies of J1 (J-M267) are seen in the Middle East, north Africa, and Ethiopia. As it is revealed in the study above by Semino et al only 2% of Greeks carry Haplogroup J1 (J-M267) and that is of ME origins, hardly the “high frequency of Black African origins” falsely stated by you. Sources for this are many scientific studies conducted by Semino, Al-Zahery et a, Cinnioglu et al, Paracchini et al, Piia Serk.
“Jahdey responds:
Andrea go study some real book and get off Dieneke’s blog bullclap. Dieneke is not an authority on genetics. He is just one semi-illiterate white racialist blogger misconceving scientific studies. I cited numerous references on hgE. Go read some of it. Without doubt hgE3a and E3b are all signature African gene. Do a goggle search and see how many references on this you would come up with.”
Jahdey unfortunately for you it is not Dieneke but Semino et al and Cruciani et al. (2004) Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa. Am J Hum Genet (to appear) who makes the statement and provides the break down of that chart. Both of whom you used by decided to ommitte their findings that contradict your views. How very telling. Wanna see the chart that Di Giacomo et al. provideds which prove what I am saying is correct? You know Di Giacomo et al is another same source that you provided as “proof” early that Greeks are “black Africans”. Unfortunately for you Di Giacomo et al contradicts you. Here you go the result from Di Giacomo et al. study once more and I will break it down for you again
P*(xR1a)=12.8%; R1a=9.8; DE=20.2%; G2=6.6%; I-M170=14.8%; J2(DYS413= 18)=20.2%; J2*(xDYS413= 18)=4.9%; J*(xJ2)=2.7%; Y*(xA,DE,G2,I,J,P)=7.7% and last;y here is what Di Giacomo gave as the % of Greeks who had the African Hgmarker A=0.3%. As I stated above that is less then -.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
Oh I’m sorry are we know to believe that Di Giacomo et al, Semino et al and Cruciani et al are all “racists” too because they contradict with science your theories?
“Jahdey responds:
If you used your faculties more discerningly, you would have realized that Black Africans also carry the hg J2 as the Lembas, the Oromos, and a host of other East African Black men. But J2 is not found in Northern Europeans. No sir. it is found in Africa, Arabia, Mediterrenean, India and Greece, demonstrating a common kinship. Suddenly, resorting back to outmoded uses of caucasiod, caucasian, caucaucau, etc, does not effectively turn a Black Ethiopian or South African into a Northern European. What you are failing to accept is that there are more Blackâ€caucasiods†as the term is used, than their will ever be white caucasiods. It is not a scientific term. It was an imprecise term hitherto used to define physical attributes not genetic nor blood affinity.”
If your faculties were more in cohesive you would have realized that hgJ1 shows that it was brought INTO Africa through the Anatolian-Caucasus region not the other way around. Haplogroup J2 is found frequently in Europe and in the Caucasus regions, it is not an African originated marker and scientists such as Semino et al. 2004, Patterns of mtDNA Diversity in Europe, Lucia Simoni, 2000 , Al-Zahery et a, Cinnioglu et al, Paracchini et al, Human Mitochondrial Haplogroup J in Europe and Near East, Piia Serk, 2004 to name just a few anthropologists and genetics, conducted studies on the the H J marker contradict your theory regarding hgJ2. Haplogroup J (Y-DNA) (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is defined by the 12f2.1 genetic marker, or the equivalent M304 marker. Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Anatolian-Caucasus region (Semino et al. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I,(most commonly in Scandinavia, Sardinia, and the Slavic populations of the Western Balkans in southeastern Europe), as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup J (mtDNA) originated around 45,000 years before present when a mutation took place in the J line which can be identified as J1a1 (27,000 yrs ago), J2a (19,000 yrs ago), J2b2 (16,000 years ago), J2b3 (5,800 yrs ago), etc. Haplogroup J (along with ‘T’) is associated with the spread of farming and herding in Europe during the Neolithic Era (8,000-10,000 yrs ago). Average frequency of J Haplogroup as a whole is highest in the Near East (12%), followed by Europe (11%), Caucasus (8%) and North Africa (6%). I have yet to find a credible genecist to claim that Black Africans also carry the Haplogroup J2.
Jahdey, I believe you need to learn the roots of your own origins and try to invent pseudo history based upon 18th and 19th century Eurocentrics. There is absolutely no evidence not in their art nor in their stories not in their depictions of themselves that shows ancient Greeks being “Black Africans” and trust me they did depict ‘black africans’ in their art but they never claimed them “Greek”, they were “foreigners” to them. They called Nubians and all sub-shara black africans “Aithiopia” Burnt-Faced Ones. Now if ancient Greeks were really “black Africans” in origins they would have applied this term for themselves as well but they don’t. All genetic test conducted between modern Greeks and those of ancient Greek skeleton remains from ancient burial grounds contradict your claims that ancient Greeks were “black africans”. They were not, they were caucasians, their art depictions them as such and so does the thousands upon thousands of artifacts and literature. In fact it is Di Giacomo et al. (2003) , the same source YOU used to show some supposed origins of “African Greeks” but instead he contradict your views, Di Giacomo et al. (2003) Clinal Patterns of human Y chromosomal diversity in continental Italy and Greece are dominated by drift and founder effects. Mol Phyl Evol 28:387-395 and Semino et al. (2004) Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area. Am J Hum Genet are the ones who conducted more refined versions of the Y chromosome phylogeny that indicate hardly any influences less then ~2% from the Black Africa during ancient times. Ancient Greeks never spoke of any “African origins”, you are really being misguided if you believe that. Ancient Greeks were one of the most Eurocentric and Hellenicetric civilizations to exist, they didn’t ‘admire’ black African culture in the sense some are claiming, heck if it wasn’t Hellenic they considered it to be barbaric and if you are not aware of that little fact then you are not familiar with ancient Greek civilization. Certainly the influence of Egyptian statuary on Archaic Greek kouroi is widely accepted, among Classicists as well as Egyptologists but the differences in their function and execution are so blantly obvious that it is ignorant to disregard it importance. In arguing for an Egyptian colonization of Greece people who hold your views disregard the extensive Egyptian textual tradition as well as the arguments of the scholars who have been investigating these questions for decades that such colonization has not been recorded. If such a coloniziation had taken place then ancient Egyptians such as Thutmose III would have left records and mentioned it in his annals that they conquered southern Europe and set up colonies there but not exist. Also the origin that Greeks and Romans swiped many of their culture and rituals from the Egyptians or black Africans comes mainly from an eighteenth century work of fiction called Sethos, a History or Biography, based on Unpublished Memoirs of Ancient Egyptby the Abbe Jean Terrason. Since Egyptian hieroglyphics couldn’t be read until Jean François Champollion deciphered the Rosetta Stone nearly a century after Terrason wrote his book, Terrason created a pseudo Egyptian religion based on rituals which he knew well: Greek and Roman rituals. So, the claim made by many who do not know better that Greek and Roman culture, ideology and relition were based on Egyptian or “African” rites is based on a book about a fictional Egyptian religion that was based on Greek and Roman rites. Its also funny that on the one hand you criticize Dieneke’s website but on the other you turn around and use the same sources he does, even though you omitted material because they contradict your theories, such as all those the nice tables of haplogroup frequencies reported in Di Giacomo et al, Semino et al and Cruciani et al books. I find it interesting that you actually believe you can contradict scientific evidence that was provided with pseudo theories and ideology.
Andrea
My thesis was that;
1. Africans and ancient Greeks were inter-related by Blood. We showed you genetic evidence.
You admitted the presence of clear inter-connectedness on a genetic level by conceeding that there exist haplogroups (i.e. Blood relationship) shared in common between Greeks and Africans such as: Haplogroup A, Haplogroup J, and Haplogroup E3A and E3B. Your only issue was that hgA was found in small percentages, that E3 which (Underhill states as originating in Africa) did not gave birth to all its other clades like those found in Greece (which is highly illogical).
The fact that you have been forced to admit all these facts of genetics without recognizing what you just did shows you up as a person with some literacy issues.
Then the Benin Hbs genetic link between Greece and Africa which you have pointedly refused to address and disprove totally destroys your foolish rantings.
Let me remind you that nordic Euros like yourself rarely carry the sickle cell gene, but southern Europeans like Italians, Greeks, Anatolians, Spaniards and Portugese all carry Benin Hbs genes which originated in Africa and reached southern Europe in historical times.
Di Giacomo supports all I have just shown you. HG A is very rare gene by any standard. The last information I got stated that hgA has only been sequenced in 27 in the entire Africa which consists of nearly 800 million people. On this basis it was described as African. It is thus interesting to note that the same gene was also sequenced most recently in Greeks and English people. Its presence only demonstrates how intertwined and ancient the relationship between ancient Greece and Africa was.
See http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/articles/pale-skinblack-genes-african-tribes-of-europe/
Your analysis of hg J leaves me embarrased for you. If you observe carefully the name Eu9/10, you would see that the earlier researchers had thought that hg J was an exclusively European gene until more recent research showed that there existed the highest preponderance of hg J (the so called EU9/10) around the coastal ring of the Eriterian Sea (Red Sea) . In 2004 Seminole admitted that this gene must have come from the middle east.
The “middle east” he talks about in that 2004 paper includes Ethiopia, Yemen, Eriteria, Sudan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Somalia, etc. This so-called middle east as one can see then is more or less a pseudonym for Africa.
According to Spencer a leading genetist in his book the Journey of Man at page 106 (I know you will respect Spencer Well’s authority):
“…the Middle East has always been an extension of north-eastern Africa, to both the grazing animals and the humans that hunted them. This has been the case for millions of years…â€
So when next you hear middle east…think Africa!
I could cite you 100 more authorities that support that proposition.
Yemen is just across the Red Sea from Ethiopia. The Red Sea has never been a barrier between the two coasts since the coastal African people have long been sea faring (like the Phoenicians).
The Greek and Roman writers (Herodotus, Strabo, Tacitus) acknowledge that there was an Ethiopia to the east (so called Middle East) and Ethiopia to the West. The Ethiopians (Black Skinned Africans) lived on both sides of the coast.
The Yemenites, the Sabeans, the Ethiopian Amhara and Oromos are all one family. They are all black people, geographically, genetically and culturally continguous. See Encyclopedia Britannica. See also the Original Black African Arabs of Arabia series 1 – 4 for your elucidation. http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-original-black-african-arabs-of-arabia-part-3-black-african-kingdoms-of-arabia-ogu-eji-ofo-annu/
Dieneke is not my intellectual match. He is fraud, just like yourself.
Greeks have never considered themselves kins with nordic Europeans. But ancient Greeks spoke glowingly about Egypt. Yes, they lived in ancient Egypt too, and were more familiar with them than you will ever be. They told us Egyptians were Blacks like the Ethiopians. They told us that Greeks loved everything African that they even bowed to African gods. They went to school in Egypt and learned Maths, geometry, medicine and government.
Solon the founder of Athens, was schooled by Egyptians. Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Macedon, all went to the African fount of knowledge and they wrote about it.
Ironically, those ancient men, would have considered Andrea and his Euroland-loving cohorts as wild, cannibal, barbarians, and even worse freaks. They may have been prejuidiced, but at least we see who was holding the bottom of the totem pole and who was sitting at the top in those days.
Again chanting caucaucau like some magical mantra don’t cut any ice with me. There are more Black caucasiods in Africa, Arabia and India as the word is defined than there are nordic Europeans in Europe. And those southerners despite their clear kinship did not and still do not consider the nordic European as their kin. Yet, they all acknowledge a clear linkage to Africa.
Today people like Andrea are desperately trying to pass off lies as history, so that they can ingritiate their disreputable ancestors with my ancestors from Egypt, Ethiopian and Yemen.
What a pathetic show. What desperation. What a nerve.
Ancient Greeks considered themselves kins with Africans…see Herodotus on History. See the subject article of this post. They never considered themselves kins with nordic Europeans. They said so. And population genetics proves this correct daily.
Jahdey
Very wordy…,but still presumptuous,of course a majority of the said “greeks’ would find it in their favour to consider themselves non African origin if, to prove their genius in the”new” order of things”to come”.
Does all the Neo Egypto-fascination translate to “chickens coming home to roost”?
The only wrong presumptions being made is by people who believe in the fallacies of Afrocentrics and Eurocentrics teachings that ancient/modern Greeks were/are “African Black” or “Nordic Fair”, both ridiculously wrong theories. Trying to make ancient Greeks into either “African Blacks/”Nordic” when all ancient and modern evidence proves others just shows an INaccurate thinking mentality by people from those groups. A thinking mentality that is just as false as that wacky Greek “scholar” who claims the ancient American and Pacific islander languages are Greek based. Wacky ideas such as these spring up by pseudo scholars all the time, it does not mean they are true. Ancient and modern Greeks never considered themselves a kin to Africans nor to any Nordic populations. Ancient Greeks called people from both of those groups “barbaric and uncivilized”. Modern genetic studies as well as other evidence, both biological and cultural, backs the fact that they had no relations to either of those group of people, so trying to claim that myself being of “nordic” origins am trying to claim them as “part of my culture” is quite inaccurate since I don’t have a problem admitting Greeks are not a kin to me or any Nordic, but Greek are not a kin to Africans either. Genetic tests conducted so far clearly reveals ancient and modern Greeks never carry any of Hg found in either Black African or Nordic peoples. It has been proven by Semino et al 2004, Di Giacomo et al and many other anthropologists, scientists and geneticists that ancient and modern Greeks carry a genetic mutation Hg found in most Europeans within the Balkan region that is Caucasian based. This alpha (α) cluster Y chromosomes makes up almost the entirety of Balkan Y chromosome, they are almost entirely absent outside Europe and are found in moderate to low frequencies within other European peoples. Meaning the tests conducted by scientists proves that ancient and modern Greeks genetic wise were/are more closely a kin to their NEIGHBORS in the Balkan region then anyone else, be that either “Black” African or Nordic “White”.
A few things to say.
One: This comment by jahey… “I asked for referenced sources respecting Andrea’s claim that ancient Greeks were different from Africans based on craniofacial metrics. Andrea could not do so. What a shame for a vituperating Racialist.”
Coming from a man using/contributing to a racist anti-white/pro-black site and trying to culture jack greeks.
Two:
Can we be done with this already? What does Greek culture share with African culture? If we are black or not ( We arent, we say so, evidence says so, only you say so, and since you arent us…or even experts…you dont mean shit) we have little in common, grouping us together based on your (false) genetics is foolish and is turning a blind eye to whats different among us.
This is a product of the slave trade in my opinion, all the bullshit you guys are spewing, because the african slave trade forced african slaves to be stripped of their culture and identity, including names/family history, so you have a culturally stripped people…in american/carribean/etc. countries (you’ll notice not many africans still in africa make these claims often) And because they have no cultural identity, thanks to the opression, they go out searching, and begin to dehumanize others by stripping them of their culture and trying to make it their own, and trying to blow up black influence on the world much larger than it was… The downside to this, of course, is that its a bunch of bullshit.
It’s time to stop lying about history and accept two things:
One. This is history, though it still matters, now it really just eggs on everything…racism and bigotry on both sides, the problem with nationalism from whites or blacks is that it so often distorts facts…but then again we live in a world where Don Imus saying “Nappy Headed Hoes” leads to him getting fired, yet Al Sharpton calling jews “White interlopers” and egging on a riot that eventually got an innocent jewish man KILLED is MINOR, apparently, as he’s still running in vain for president.
2. Africa faded away…most cultures eventually do…Greek culture fused with Roman and is still massively influential…but i’d say thats an exception, because they made a flexible culture that could change…and stay alive…Africans didnt, and Africa was a wasteland (Except northern islamic africa) long before ANY Europeans came knocking, hence why Europeans came in with guns and whatnot and the africans tried to fight them off with SPEARS, so, really, lets not blow semi-modern african pride way the fuck up.
And as a final point, Jahey said something somewhere about him finding it odd that the very people ancient greeks called barbarians are the ones that claim to be the “heirs” of it…two things the matter with that…First you need to understand what barbarian means…its from the greek barbaros which simply means “Non-greek”…so africans were “barbarians” too….and secondly…i’d say that western european people like the French, Germans, and Englishmen are far better suited than African nations to claim Greco-Roman history, since they’re carrying it on much more effectively than any African nation.
Not a fun fact, but a MODERN and TRUE fact.
HEY JAHDEY ARE YOU SURE YOU ARENT A SKOP??? AND ALSO ARE YOU SURE YOU ARENT RETARDED???
what you are saying is pseudo-science that is totally unacceptable in the scientific world because the false studies are totally politically motivated……read below
“Even a cursory look at the papers diagrams and trees immediatly indicates that the authors make some extraordinary claims.
They use a single genetic marker HLA DRB1 for their analysis to construct a genealogical tree and map of 28 populations from Europe, Middle East, Africa and Japan. Using results from the analysis of a single marker particularly one likely to have undergone selection for the purpose of reconstructing geneologies is unreliable and unacceptable pratice in population geneticsâ€
Neil Risch- Stanford University
Alberto Piazza- University of Torino
L. L. Carvalli Sforza- Stanford University
This “research†has nothing to do with science. It is just low anti-Greek propaganda fabricated by anti-Greeks who made up this “research†for political interests in favour of the pseudo-state of FYROM
This “research†is fictious and ridiculous to such a degree, that it was never accepted by any serious scientist and no genealogical approved its publication, so as not to lose their credibility and reputation
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an international research paper published in August 2002 before being dropped and ridiculed due to its flawed research. It was devised by researchers (the team included some Macedonian Slavs) at the Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology in the Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain and claimed that Greeks (and Japanese) were shown to have genetic origins in Africa as opposed to Europe. Despite being initially published, the research was finally dismissed in the journal Nature by leading geneticists Neil Risch, Alberto Piazza, and L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza:
“The limitations are made evident by the authors’ extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute.†Nature 415, 115 (10 January 2002)© Macmillan Publishers Ltd.
Ironically the Macedonians (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) in the dropped research were found to be a pure race decended directly from the Ancient Macedonians.
NOW I KNOW THE BELOW INFO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GREEKS HAVING AFRICAN DNA BUT I THINK IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT LIKE ACCEPTING FACTS, YOU PREFER TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT BS BECAUSE OF THE FANTASY BELIEF YOU HAVE THAT WILL HURT TOO MUCH IF YOU LET IT GO
The most obvious link between modern and ancient Greeks is the language, which has enjoyed a continuous and documented tradition from at least the 14th century BC to the present day, some 3400 years. There has been no break such as the one between Latin and the modern Romance languages and the only language which enjoys comparable continuity of tradition is Chinese.[15]
Many modern scientists and scholars (e.g. anthropologists like C. Coon and geneticists like Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza) have supported the notion that there is a dominant racial connection to the ancient Greeks. Other scholars, notably popular in Nazi Germany, have supported the refuted theories of the 19th century historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, who claimed that the ancient Greeks genetically disappeared at some point, and as modern Greeks have no genetic or cultural connection to them, Europe owes them nothing. It should be noted that Fallmerayer’s theories specifically aimed at the Greeks of Morea (Peloponnese), which at the time constituted less than a sixth of the overall Greek population, a fact which was being constantly ignored by his later supporters. His essays were refuted by numerous scholars of his time and were characterised by the Bavarian Academy of Sciences and Humanities as biased and unscientific.
YOU FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF THE NAZI, FACTS DONT LIE ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU
<p>Hello Propadandist and Danakis</p>
<p>You both are not Greeks. You have no blood claim to ancient Greece so stop pretending.</p>
<p>The Romans, the Truks and the British, systematically uprooted the once proud ancient peoples of Greece and scattered them all over Anatolia and the middle east, with a few remnants in Europe.</p>
<p>Now, some sick and vile pretentious mice slid up to Rasta site on the internet and try to roar like a lion. Yet, the mice shall not roar like a lion nor the dog like a tiger.</p>
<p>Ye two pathetic wretches should go look for your roots among the neaderthal men of the Germanic caves and stop braying like donkeys.</p>
<p>If you understood history, culture and science…if you had an integrated knowledge of the relevant arts and craft…you would not be sounding so alarmed and panicked. You would not be so bitter at the progressive march of history.</p>
<p>You would have understood that Africans are not begging to be associated with the ancient Greeks. The original posts only recites translated writings of the ancient Greeks attesting to their African origins. </p>
<p>The main post is basically a simple reproduction of an ancient Greek claim.</p>
<p>I do not feel any kinship to your Royal Palenesses. I do not want to be nor do I care that I may be related to you genetically or otherwise. </p>
<p>Guys like you two should be good collection for the anachronistic oddities at Ripley’s Believe it or not Zoo. </p>
<p>As an African, I am not begging for any pathologically sick and ignorant racist brothers or neighbours. </p>
<p>It remains to be said once again, that Ancient Greeks claimed their origins in Africa, modern science claims it to be Anatolia but will immediately explain that ancient Anatolians were actually African immigrants. </p>
<p>Some people would rather say Middle East, but in the ancient times there was no middle east just as there is no middle west. All that zone ever was, is a section of North East Africa populated by African people as historical accounts, genetics and oseteology will confirm for any unbiased minds.</p>
<p>No educated mind will claim an European origin for the ancient Greeks. Only an un-educated slavic beggar, or a barbarian gothic mercenary, would deny the claims made by the very respectable ancestral Greeks themselves of their own African roots.</p>
<p>Jahdey</p>
<p>See more: The Nigerian/Ethiopian Roots of the Ancient Greeks @ Rastalivewire
Ok…Well clearly ancient statues depict…white men and women…we are white men and women…they wrote and spoke greek…we write and speak greek..they had very unique names…we have those same names…and…since its pretty goddamn impossible to uproot an entire civilization and replace them with a bunch of slav drones who just like to pretend…I’d say we’re greeks, and…our ethnic group has always been pretty secure, from ancient to roman times, and onto the byzantines, then under the turks we all have very credible evidence that the greeks never went anywhere, and were always very vocal about who they were…and there were even followers of ancient greek paganism around the city of sparta is laconia well into the 1100′s…I highly doubt someone managed to change everything since then, and since you have no evidence (Credible, anyway.) that such a thing happened, i’m going to go ahead and call you a fucking brainwashed culture thief.
And by the way, I dont believe greeks originated in Europe, it’s more than likely east asian, but not African.
In laconia, not is.*
And what greeks claimed their origin in africa? Herodotus said something on the issue, but then again, Herodotus ALSO said 300 spartans faced 10,000,000 persians and nearly won, and then saw a bunch of ghosts at salamis, so I mean, he was full of shit.
^^
# Danakis replied:
And what greeks claimed their origin in africa…???
Danakis answers himself:
Herodotus said something on the issue….
Jahdey helps out:
Danakis, Herodutus is called the father of history because 90% of the information on ancient Greece was proved by his work: “The History”.
Western historians rely on Herodotus for their historical information on the Persians, the Lydians, the Lybians, the Sythians, etc. There is no more authoritative ancient source than Herodotus except for the Bible and Josephus.
Herodotus was an ancient Greek who visited Africa and spent a long time in Egypt, Ethiopia, Lybia, and the Mahgrib.
Herodotus was an educated ancient Greeks who claimed that all the Greek gods who were said to be the creators of all true Greeks came from Ethiopia.
The Greek religious books which encapsulate their religious and traditional myths testified that their divine ancestors came from the heart of the African continent. Read the original post again…The Black African Origins of the Ancient Greeks… The ancient Greeks who lived in Africa, spoke Kemitic language told us so in their own words.
The Kebra Negast of Ethiopia, one of the oldest of the Ethiopian Books makes allusion to an Ethiopian origin for ancient Greece.
You may be unaware of this but as early as the 2 century B.C., the streets in Ethiopian Axum were designated in both Geeze and Greek language.
The Ethiopians interacted very closely with the Greeks, as well as spoke Greek so extensively that all street names had Greek translation.
Or are you unaware that about 50% of the language of ancient Greeks was African in origin?
You may also not be aware that the so-called “indo-european” languages of the ancient Greeks appeared to have originated in Africa? The Anatolians of Turkey who it is claimed gave the first peoples of Greece are so infused with African genetic material that one can rightly call that place an extension of the African homeland. See Martin Bernal (a Jewish Professor at the University of Cornell). See Clyde Winters a noted linguist who has studied the relationship between African languages and the languages of the Aegean basin.
Do you not know that Greek writing evolved from the works of the Phoenicians who came from Eastern Africa before they settled middle-east? The Phoenicians learned to write from the Egyptians and they had colonized much of southern Europe before the first classical Greek was born? The Phoenicians are the descendants of Ham according to the Bible genealogy and Ham is the archetypal ancestor of the Black Africans? If Phoenicians colonized ancient Greece for hundreds of years, you mean you still cannot see the connections?
Perhaps not. Because you are one little ideological zealot. But your ideology is outdated, outmoded and false.
Besides, since you know in your heart that you have neither genetic nor biological relationship with the ancient Greeks (given that you don’t even know whether your claimed ancestors come from India or Anatolia, or Jerusalem or Ethiopia), perhaps you should go look for your ancestors in the caves of Northern Europe, where their bones and genetic material will confirm your shared barbarian kinship.
Jahdey
Ok, now, explain to me this…Greeks are light skinned (compared to africans)…as were ancient greeks…as proven by paintings, mosaics, etc…so how were they black…I believe you called it a mutation?…thats how evolution happens…gradual mutation..and you’re trying to tell me, that evolution changed an entire group of people white in under 10,000 years, I find that highly unlikely…and i’d be careful about how you define african…being from africa somewhere down the genetic line is a given, humans came from africa, I would not define a group of people with a unique culture, outside of africa, speaking a language not related to any african language..as african…
This is my problem with white/black nationalism…you base your claims of black origin on these tiny facts that a few and very far between…and usually worthless…the vast majority of experts agree that the greeks were white, and ARE white, and still live in Hellas, where they always ahve…you’re basing your entire logic on pseudo-science and stupidity, its basically a poorly constructed conspiracy theory, your logic is if there is 1% change it’s there, it HAS to be there, you’re basically the bush admin.
1.My idealogy is not outdated, its correct and 99.9 of TRUSTED historians would agree with that statement, you’re that .1 sitting in the corner thinking up useless and false conspiracy theories
2. I’m not a racist, dont try to pin me as such because the racist card wont work on me, I couldnt give two shits if someone calls me racist, I’m not buying into the double standard.
see part of my earlier comment:
but then again we live in a world where Don Imus saying “Nappy Headed Hoes†leads to him getting fired, yet Al Sharpton calling jews “White interlopers†and egging on a riot that eventually got an innocent jewish man KILLED is MINOR, apparently, as he’s still running in vain for president.
But anyway, your pseudo-science isnt not accepting because of the white run media, its not accepted because you’re full of shit about basing your entire logic on the issue off of 1% of the facts, and thats have racism, bigotry, and ignorance are born in the first place..
And attempting to steal culture wont help either : )
Jahdey likes to pick and choose what he wants from the ancient Greek writings, of which he understand very little of. For one ancient Greeks never claimed their origins were “black Africans”; what the ancient Greeks did was say THEIR civilization was AS OLD as Egypt’s, in other words making Greek cilivization, which was very Greek ethnocentric, as old as one of the oldest civilizations around. Jahdey also disregards what I stated before about what the ancient Greeks SAID about the Phoenicians but then again he had that post of mine deleted given it proves how full of lies his assumptions are. Never the less, here it is again:
The Phoenicians were not “East Black Africans” as he falsely states and even ancient Greeks, such as Herodotus, who he cite a lot but I doubt he read or even understand his works, tell us the Phoenicians arrived to the Red Sea from UNKNOWN ORIGINS “migrated to the Mediterranean from an unknown origin and settled in the parts which they now inhabit, began at once, they say, to adventure on long voyages, freighting their vessels with the wares of Egypt and Assyria”. So if the Phoenicians were the “Black Africans” and the ancient Greeks he claims knew the “African region” and her people why did the ancient Greeks claim the Phoenicians as unknown origins, hmm? So that dubious claim that the Phoenicians were “Africans” goes against what those ancient Greeks he site STATE.
The ancient Greeks and Romans although both were familiar with the term Kush(the name used by the Egyptians to describe Nubians) called “Aithiopes” or “Burnt-Faced People” ALL Africans SOUTH of Egypt including Nubians and Ethiopians and all Black Africans in the Southern fringes of Northwest Africa. The regions that I mentioned above which they considered “Near East” are all NORTH of Egypt and their people were never referred to as “Ethiopians” by either the ancient Greeks or the Romans. Glad you brought that up, another perfect example of what I said before about ancient Greek and Roman writers having zero understanding of African cultures.
Greeks never considered themselves kins to Black Africans either and anyone who believes otherwise knows very little about what the ancient Greeks said. For one they didn’t speak as “glowingly” about Egypt as some believe, and they never considered Egyptians “Black” because they never called Egyptians “Aithiopes” or “Burnt-Faced People”, that term was associated by the Greeks to ALL Africans SOUTH of Egypt including Nubians and Ethiopians and all Black Africans in the Southern fringes of Northwest Africa. Ancient Greek and Roman classical authors often/regularly differentiated between Egyptians and Ethiopians, something the dibouse ‘sources’ Afrocentric use overlook for obvious reasons. But the Greeks did consider the Egyptians darker then themselves and as different from themsleves(the Greeks) and they state as much in their literature. I also take it that people do not know that the Greeks only considered THEMSELVES European, not Africans, not Asians and definitely not any other none Hellenic groups, given how Hellenicentric that they were. So yes Greeks were very much Eurocentrics, you can say they were the first Eurocentric peoples given their ideology.
There is no evidence what so ever with the except of Alexander that any of those Greeks mentioned in a previous post as “stealers of African culture” EVER traveled to Egypt never mind Africa. “Africa and Africans” are terms that the Greeks mentioned above would not have used since it is a ROMAN terminology and only was designate to populations of the coastal regions of North Africa west of Egypt (e.g. Numidians, Moors), of the Carthaginians and their allies, and of the inhabitants of the Roman province of Africa. The term did not become interchangeably to mean “African” as “Black ie. Ethiopian” until the 18th and 19th century, a modern thought process that was totally contradicted by the ancient authors and evidence.
Ironically those same ancient men would have considered Jahdey, myself and anyone who is not Hellenic origins in the same freakish barbaric way. Aristotle told Alexander “to treat Greeks as friends, but barbarians like animals”, Jahdey and I would both be considered “barbarians” by ancient Greek standards, so the irony of Jahdey comments is quite humorous given its totally lost to him. As stated many times before Ancient Greeks did not consider the Nordic as their kin but they sure as heck never considered Black Africans as their kin either. This is a civilization that viewed anyone different from them, and Black Africans were so as hell different, as barbarians. I recommend people read Inventing the Barbarian : Greek Self-Definition through Tragedy. Unfortunately for individuals like Jahdey even scientific evidence proves them wrong, now that is what is pathetic and desperation. Ancient Greeks never considered themselves kins to Africans and modern genetics proves this correctly given not one Hg marker from any of the ancient Greek skeleton remains found so far and tested show any genetic connection to Africans. The one slightly influenced that was found in a MODERN Greek is of recent migration, not ancient one and that can be even chalked up to errors. Ancient Greeks such as Herodotus were central ethnographic and this is what they taught, as stated before their view of none Hellenic people including Africans was not favorable given they couldn’t understand them not only culturally by literally. Their extend of “knowledge” of African cultures was barely nothing. Oh and if you actually do read Herodotus Histories and not misrepresented segments taken out of context found on the internet he confirms that ancient Greeks viewed Africans including Egyptians as foreigners even during Pelasgian times. So sorry.
hey jahdey
POST YOUR SOURCES YOU SAD SAD PERSON!!!!!!!!
and they better be acceptable sources YOU LOSER!!!!!!!
have you ever heard of Harvard University, GYPSY? look up what they say about greeks YOU SPAZO…….everything harvard says proves u 110% wrong. why dont u accept this, you thief?
you think your false propaganda is correct but all the great universities around the world are wrong?????
this just shows how BRAINWASHED you are and it sucks for us GREEKS!!!
The Greeks HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF ‘GREEK CIVILIZATION.’
The fact is the so Greeks ( Negrecians) were originally people from Egypt. Dorian barbarians entered Greece with the great migrations of ‘Aryan’ language speakers from Eastern Europe/Central Asia about 2100 BC.
By then, Greek (the Peloponeses) had been occupied by BLACK KHEMITES (those who say Egyptians are not ‘Black’ – YES, IF THEY CAME FROM ARABIA, SYRIA, WESTERN ASIA, EUROPE — WHICH IS WHAT THE PRESENT ‘EGYPTIANS’ LIVING IN EGYPT’S CITIES ARE DESCENDED FROM)
However, the Black Fellahim living in the rural parts of Egypt and Nubians in Aswan ARE BLACK AFRICANS AND THE TRUE EGYPTIANS.
As for the Japanese — WHO DO YOU THINK FIRST LIVED IN JAPAN BEFORE THE KOREANS MIGRATED THERE?
The Black Anu, a branch of Black Negro people spread from East Africa to Melanesia. Rest assured, there are pictures of ancient Japanese people WHO LOOK LIKE MELANESIANS —
The original ‘Ainu’ of Japan were also of East African origins — over the years, they have been mixed out of existence by Caucasian Russian types and Mongoloids.
Both the Yayoi Japanse and Korean ancestry Japanese are recent migrants to Japan. In fact, prehistoric Japanese houses dating to 10,000 BC SHOW THE AFRICAN ’roundhut’ form of building with many houses in clusters and fenced in.
As for the Japanese langugae, it like the Greek language is based on the African manner of speaking and has A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF AFRICAN PREFIX AND SUFFIX FORMS.
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com
http://www.suzar.com
Finally, all this racist attacks on ‘Afro-centrics’ make me want to throw up.
Are you all attacking the RACIST RELIGIOUS LIES PLACED IN THE ‘KING JAMES VERSION’ OF THE BIBLE?
If people want to attack something, WHY NOT ATTACK THE RACIST LIES OF CHRISTIANITY, USED TO ENSLAVE PEOPLE AND STEAL THEIR LANDS,COMMIT GENOCIDE AND OCCUPY OTHERS TERRITORY.
Recently, it was found out that the pre-Roman Etruscians WERE ACTUALLY OF PERSIAN ORIGINS. These Etrucians laid the foundation for Roman civilizations (ALONG WITH THE KHEMITES – EGYPTIANS – who helped built rome, the world’s first ‘ghetto’ of wooden houses and slums before Cleopatdrat built it up. http://www.myspace.com/bestsellingbooks – LEARN HISTORY
Who were the original people of Persia who laid the foundation for Persian civilization and were a great civilization for three thousand years before the present type of Persian arose (a mixture of Caucasian and Cu$hite Negro)?
IT WAS THE BLACK CU$HITE PEOPLE WHOSE ORIGINS ARE IN SUDAN/ETHIOPIA.
The original people of Cush (says the Greeks and others – and recorded in our ancient books ) were Black African Negroes. They were spread from Sudan all the way to Southern China in ancient times.
In fact, the founder of the Shang Dynasty in China was a Black Cushi from Mesopotamia called Hu-Na-Kunte, he settled on the Loh River Valley in 2800 BC, after migrating from Mesopotamia.
http://www.myspace.com/afriamericonscioushiphop
http://blackmalepower.proboards106.com
http://www.raceandhistory.com
The history of Black people globally is so facinating that MYSTRIES THAT WILL BOGGLE THE MIND ARE NOW BEING DISCOVERED.
For example — WHERE IS THE ‘ZINGH EMPIRE’ mentioned in history books — except by the most ancient culture on earth — the Sudanese, West Africans, Ethiopians, Egyptians and Indo-Negroid people of India?
The Zingh Empire existed from about 15,000 BC to about 3000 BC. It was based in the region from Cape Verde to India and from Northern Mali to Cameroon. The Zingh Empire was ruled by the mythical God-King ‘Tyru’ who was an African and whose standard (red, black, green) flew from Cape Verde in West Africa to India’s ancient Indus Valley civilization.
After the Sahara began to dry up ( a place of a large inland sea, great forests, lakes, meadows, farmland, towns and cities, lots of roads – see http://blackmalepowermovement.forumsland.com ), THE AFRICANS LIVING IN THE SAHARA MIGRATED SOUTHWARD, OTHERS MOVED NORTHWARD AND EASTWARD.
We happen to know one of these groups of Africans — they are called the Anu (as in Anuak, Anu – two large ethnic groups in Sudan, one in Australia and one related called ‘Ainu’ in Japan who are not bleached out beyond recognition).
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CRITICIZE ‘AFROCENTRISTS’ PLEASE FURNISH INFORMATION THAT YOUR VERSION OF HISTORY IS A FACT.
ALSO FURNISH TO ME THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ‘SON’ OF GOD, AS PREACHED BY CHRISTIANS.
THE ‘PELASGIANS’ WERE AFRICANS AND NEGROES TO BE EXACT — SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
‘Foreigners’ don’t mean they were of another race.
There are pictures of the Pelasgians shown sailing in the Mediterranean — they are painted reddish-brown and black with afros and insignia similar to Egyptian and Cu$hite.
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html
AFRICAN ORIGINS OF JAPANES LANGUAGE
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/links_to_japanese_and_african_la.htm
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/links_to_japanese_and_african_la.html
Get a clue, Nubianem, there is no such thing as Negrecians, that is a term your MODERN Afrocentric pseudo scholars, and I use that term loosely made up. Black Africans have little to do with Greek civilization genetically and all ancient remains tested since Minoan times in Greece show NOT Hg marker that are of Negroid African origins. Even the father of history states the PELASGIANS gave blacks different terms then themselves because they were dark and different from them, the Pelasgians. PELASGIANS were not Africans nor Negroids so you have no idea about what you are talking about. Ancient Greeks very cleary state the Pegasgians of Greece were not black or “EHTIOPIANS” the term ancient Greeks used to describe Negroid Black Africans. So get a clue and stop spreading all the lies Afrocentric believe in, you sound as bad as those Eurocentrics you keep complaining about. And you also are lying about the Etruscians, recently fidings confirm they are not of Persian origins, which does not help your case at all given Persians are CAUCASIANS and not African BLACKS, but Anatolians. Etruscians genetic origins have little Middle Eastern markers and ZERO black African genetics so stop your lies and if anyone needs to learn history its YOU.
How about you furnish unbiase information for legit scholars and not pseudo ones who make every single civilization “Black African”. Japanese is an African language? Do you even know the history lingustic? By your comments you seem to not know much about the history of civilization PERIOD. Stop trying to make every single human civilization in history “black African”, it just makes you look ignorant of the facts.
“Ancient Etruscans Were Immigrants From Anatolia, Or What Is Now Turkey”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070616191637.htm
They say NOTHING about African black origins about the Etruscans as you so lied about.
Andrea, your people HAVE BEEN SPREADING LIES IN THE ‘JUDOCENTRIC’ AND ‘EUROCENTRIC’ ‘BIBLE’ for hundreds of years.
The racist lies and theft of ancient Khemite books by the Khazars -=- and their theft of the identity of the Black Hebrew people IS ONE OF THE GREATEST ATROCITIES EVER CONCOCTED.
The racist lies of the ‘JUDO-CENTRICS’ AND LIARS FROM EUROPE LED TO GENOCIDE AGAINST BLACKS AND AMERICAN INDIANS AND COLONIALISM.
If you want to talk about some ‘centric’ talk about JUDO-CENTRICISM AND EUROCENTRISM — BASED ON LIES AND FANTACY.
People like you are the REASON WHY VOODOO, ORISHA, SHANGO AND BLACK NATIONALISM/SEPARATISM IS GROWING.
People like you is why HARRY POTTER IS SO POPULAR.
You continue to spread lies and misinformation – EVEN AFTER INFILTRATING A ‘RASTA’ WEBSITE, WHERE BLACK NATIONALIST ISSUES ARE TO BE DISCUSSED WITHOUT SNAKES INFILTRATING.
Andrea, what will happen when people realize that the ‘JUDOCENTRICS’ AND ‘EUROCENTRIC’ LIARS HAVE BEEN FOOLING THEM FOR CENTURIES?
Nubianem, only a fool does not realize that Afrocentric is just as bad as Eurocentric and you obviously don’t realize the two are cut from the same coin. If you want to believe the fallacies that black people build all ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS in the ancient world, go ahead, that doesn’t mean its true and it makes you not only just as bad as those Eurocentric you keep screaming about but a hypocrite too.
After reading through much of the banter from those who doubt the validity of true African history. I say if Egyptians weren’t Black why has so much been done by whites to hide ancient African artifacts and documents? In addition, why spend so much time, money, and energy to discredit Black writers of true African history? Truly, all one has to do is observe. Whites go into lands occupied by others claim it and then destroy the present culture by removing, hiding, or burning written or painted accounts of these people’s origins. I say stop the denial and observe. All one has to do is look at the fake Iraq war. The Iraqi people never asked for US intervention, yet that is what whites claim. I’m sure that in a 1000 years it’ll be said, by whites, that these people didn’t have any history either. Keep writing Anu Mauro. People need to be aware of these truths whether white supremists try to discredit you or not. I will most assuredly share your findings.
send me more info on thanksgiving ,and Christmas,and false in conception.
So this state’s what books like ‘Black Athena’ have been saying all along, the Greeks were of African origin… I mean are you surprised by this? Look at their fuzzy hair for the most part… Modern Greeks for the most part are Turkish refugees from Asian-Minor…. SKOP propaganda? The only propaganda is that of Greece, the whole nation is a lie, supported by British Helenophiles… According to ‘Greeks’ everyone and everything is Greek, end of story… Their stupidity is compounded by the simple fact that ‘Greeks’ claim everything as their own… Turkish coffee is but one mere example of their stupidity and arrogance!!
There are no Greeks in Greece, Just Albanians, Turks, Macedonians and Bulgarians who have been baptized as ‘Greek’
BlkAmerican replied:
After reading through much of the banter from those who doubt the validity of true African history. I say if Egyptians weren’t Black why has so much been done by whites to hide ancient African artifacts and documents? In addition, why spend so much time, money, and energy to discredit Black writers of true African history? Truly, all one has to do is observe. Whites go into lands occupied by others claim it and then destroy the present culture by removing, hiding, or burning written or painted accounts of these people’s origins. I say stop the denial and observe. All one has to do is look at the fake Iraq war. The Iraqi people never asked for US intervention, yet that is what whites claim. I’m sure that in a 1000 years it’ll be said, by whites, that these people didn’t have any history either. Keep writing Anu Mauro. People need to be aware of these truths whether white supremists try to discredit you or not. I will most assuredly share your findings.
I agree, but of course it was these ‘whites’ Britain that created modern Greece at the expense of other Balkan peoples with their map-drawing so of course they do not want the truth about ancient Egypt to come out just like they do not want the truth about Macedonia to surface… Up until 1988 Macedonia did not exist, it was northern Greece, funny how all of the sudden it is 3,000 years of ‘Greek’ history. The nerve of the ‘Greek’ usurpers is unparalleled, the so called birthplace of democracy has a terrible human rights record and to this day denies the existence of minorities. How anyone takes them seriously is beyond me!
If the Greeks were indeed “blacks”, how come they look so much like Europeans?
Oh, let me guess:
White people have been creating busts of them, then passing them off as “white”.
And once again you guys seem to love the notion of “Afreeka beez superiah”, yet constantly lay claim to any (and every) “advanced” non-African culture in history.
Soon it’s gonna reach the point where “everyone’s beez blaq ’til 1930, den dem raciss YTz took ova deh world!”
Oh, and if Africans are indeed “that much superior” to whites: WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO AFRICANS SINCE EGYPT?
One would believe that such an “advanced civilisation” would have been able to survive, or at least pass on their collective knowledge to other African kingdoms: Sadly, this is not the case.
And lastly what about “Ginger”?
You know, the naturally-preserved Egyptian mummy with “ginger” hair?
nubianem, you seem to be racist, and white seems to be evilous for you, even if itisnt.. i think the truth is, both are, all of us are evilous, no exception in black or white, so stop thinking like a computer in 1 and 0s…we have to make one difference, people always talk about cushite/ethiopian, this is the mistake of the lifetime…ethiopia was always sudan and not abysinnia, in origin!!!because the origin of abysinnia/”ethiopia” was kush, which is/was located in egypt!!!, when the greeks talk about ethiopia, they meant everything southern from sudan, not southern from egypt, because sudan/ethiopia was always part of chemia/egypt, before they started waring eachother…so ethiopia in greek origin is mainly starting from kenia/tansania eastern southwards until southafrica and even somtimes western of southafrica..so dont mix up geographical locations, and use them as you want…i also think that all this origin think is hellshit, because we never know what mother earth has still in secret for us, which was never found yet…uno say it started in africa, som say it started in mesopotamia and so on…dont you see that this is playing games like children? we r human, all of us, out of 1 origin, who is god the creator, out of his blood, so 1 blood…!thinkabout it and stop getting complicated, because of each ones skincolour, is like when you say a green apple is tasting better than a red-coloured apple, hahahaha…think about it… always trying to find a reason to hate each other, this is a racists mission…but i wonder about 1 thing, i dont know the answer…there is a “sickness” in africa, im shure you know it, i dont know the name of it…but som “negroids” have pigment problems, they start getting white…so then you can see that a negroid under his black colour, truly is white/redish, does som1 have a true solution to that? but all i wanted to say, is that egypt was never negroid, they were brown or whatever, but we know from their writings, that they always made a differnce between themselves and negroids, just look to nowadays ethiopia/abysinnia/addisababa, they are doing the same, making abig difference between nileeastafrican and the rest/negroid looking/broad nose and so on…so dont forget, it started in egypt first, you also have to make a differnce, mayb there were earlier civilizations than egyptian/ethiopian, but they never left somthing usefull for their followers, for the world, mayb the abysinnians, mayb the lybians, but the one who left the most usefull and still used things/heritage, is and was egypt, nobody can say somthing against it,..egypt is the mother of the world, as they say in arabic… the colour never minded to them at their time, never, nowadays because of media and even bible, we do so, but greeks, romans, egyptians were never racists, they didnt make a difference between a black or white slave, but this is another topic
by the way, look at the orthodox copts (egyptian orthodox christians), they are the direct descendents of the pharaos, even before they got colonialized…if you look at their colour, you will find all kind of colours from white to black, they never mixed up with arabs or muslim, because the ancient egyptians, werenot in 1 colour, they always had all kind of colours, because of their geographical location, the more, jus look at the nowadays abysinnians, they look like egyptians, or egyptians like them, but the abysinnians are jus a little more dark because of the sun in the south, the root is still the same, and the root could never be human, it must be godly
I suggest you go to sacred-texts.com and download “wonderful Ethiopians” published in 1926 and is about ten years research. come back and comment when you have read it
I can only assume that since many here have come to debunk the article posted above that it also means these same ones believe africa has no history? Did africa never have culture(s)? Were african unintelligent? Seems to me that people will go out of their way to keep trying to “prove” how inferior africans and their descendents are. I don’t care about africa having related history to the ancient greeks. I just want to know what the hell happened in africa before it became a place where africans are discriminated against in their own land by foreigners and by their own people.
“I can only assume that since many here have come to debunk the article posted above that it also means these same ones believe africa has no history?”
This is a very senseless “statement”, though I would be loathe to call it such. I only debunk these “articles” because they are blatant, self-aggrandising lies: Would you appreciate it if we declared that Timbuktu, Mali and other African empires were in fact European? Most of the “articles” posted here are the usual “if tere wuz no bruthas teh honkees/chinkz/jooz wuld have no si-vi-li-sa-shun”
“Did africa never have culture(s)?”
The continent had “cultures”, however you’re argument is quite fallacious, as it equates criticism of the blatant theft of other cultures with “denial” that the ancestors of the thieves had “cultures”.
“Were african unintelligent?”
*Sigh*
Well, when I.Q. tests consistently show African-Americans have an I.Q. of around 85, yet when these tests are criticised no alternative I.Q. tests are put forward…
“Seems to me that people will go out of their way to keep trying to “prove†how inferior africans and their descendents are.”
…just as African-Americans cannot go a day without “some” form of violence, whether it be physical, sexual etc, or “railing against the Vast YT Conspiracy” that’s “holding them down”.
“I don’t care about africa having related history to the ancient greeks.”
No, of course not!
“I just want to know what the hell happened in africa before it became a place where africans are discriminated against in their own land by foreigners and by their own people.”
Yet again, we are falling into the fallacious Afrocentrism argument of “If you criticise our theories, you are racist/discriminatory/Eurocentric” And are we still talking about Egypt? Are you so sure that Egypt was “black” just because it was in Africa? According to your logic, therefore “all” whites/arabs/asians etc in Africa are also “native Africans”.
Some people never learn…
^^Jypshit
We have seen low class white trash like yu on this web site before. Their common denominators are ignorance, inability to read and an atrocious vocabulary.
You need to go study how to read and write properly before I would take you on the substantive issues discussed here which you have confessed are way beyond your current repertoire of knowledge.
This is no place for any racist dog to come grandstand. One last warning for you before I burn you to blazes…desist with all that small minded anachronistic colonial idiocy. This is Rastalive Wire! We are electric here, beware we burn and shock the fools!!!
Jahdey
hi,im from Macedonia..
Macedonians are white people..like Alexander III Macedonian..
greeks are so mixed people..
modern greeks are mix of sub-saharans,arabs,turks,turkich christians,albanians,vlachs…
in greece today living ~300.000-400.000 Macedonians,and they are white…
other greeks are so dark…
i`m visit so many times greece…
i`m not racialist..
but..greeks are so funny…
proof?…greek DNA..here
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/Y_Hromosomes.pdf
“We have seen low class white trash like yu (sic) on this web site before. Their common denominators are ignorance, inability to read and an atrocious vocabulary”
One of the Afrocentrist’s most prominent “weapons” in the war for ignorance is to attack the opponent personally, rather than bother at a “refutation” of their points. Yes Jahdey, I’ve met your kind before, and every attempt at “debating” their ignorance has led to childish antics, such as your “post” (though I would be loathe to call it such).
“You need to go study how to read and write properly before I would take you on the substantive issues discussed here which you have confessed are way beyond your current repertoire of knowledge.”
Translation: I am too lazy to bother to refute your argument, therefore I’ll just insult your “spelling/grammar” etc.
“This is no place for any racist dog to come grandstand. One last warning for you before I burn you to blazes…desist with all that small minded anachronistic colonial idiocy. This is Rastalive Wire! We are electric here, beware we burn and shock the fools!!!”
No, it’s a place for Afrocentrist ignorance to fester in the minds of those bitter at having little-to-no contributions to the modern world.
And i don’t mind: You can “burn” as many of us as you want, but as long as “someone” stands up to the blatant theft of history by Afrocentrists (who are, strangely enough, always black…) then we win!
^^Jypeshit
Do you have a baccularate? Do you even have a college diploma? Before I engage you further answer that query.
I really suspect you are one high school drop out, high on internet annonymity and spewing your ugly hatred because of your physical, mental and spiritual inadequacy. Poverty of the mind and pocket is your problem as I analyse it. You need psychological help to deal with your racist affliction. You need help fast or you will burst open and die with jealousy.
You thought your racist bait will result in a racist attack? No, I will not respond to you with racism. I will simply expose you as a little inadequate wretched white trash.
Run away… and hide…despicable racist dog.
Jahdey
“Do you have a baccularate? Do you even have a college diploma? Before I engage you further answer that query. ”
*Sigh*, is this relevant to the “debate” at hand? Have I asked if ‘you’ have a baccularate? Diploma? Or are you just trying to “diminish” my position here?
“I really suspect you are one high school drop out, high on internet annonymity and spewing your ugly hatred because of your physical, mental and spiritual inadequacy.”
Why is it that African-Americans cannot argue online for long without insulting their opponent? And what do you mean “inadequacy”?
“Poverty of the mind and pocket is your problem as I analyse it.”
Right…
“You need psychological help to deal with your racist affliction.
You need help fast or you will burst open and die with jealousy”
“Racist” affliction? This coming from the person that called me “white trash”? I hope you understand the meaning of hypocrisy.
And jealous? Jealous of what?
“You thought your racist bait will result in a racist attack? No, I will not respond to you with racism. I will simply expose you as a little inadequate wretched white trash.”
When you grow up Jahdey, I’d be delighted to debate you further. That is, once you drop the continuous insults etc.
^^Jypshit
White trash stands for lower class scum. There is no racist insinuation in my having revealed where you are coming from and why you are full of crap like you have been on this site.
Only a lower class, peasant type, scavanging white trash could have had the gall to spew the racist ugliness as you did a while ago.
Only an inadequate, poverty stricken wretched soul!!!
I say again…run away like the racist dog you are. Go find some cave and cower until you die from cold!!!
Jahdey
hi,from macedonia..
myth about “greeks..
they speak Macedonian language..
жена (γυναίκα)
зашто, оти (διότι)
зона (ζώνη)
копче (κουμπί)
кора (κόÏα)
коÑа (κοσσα)
коÑтим (κουστοÏμι)
кофа (κουβαζ)
јака (γιακοζ)
etc..
Macedonian language is “Slav language” (but no slavs in reality,only muth) and no chance 250 millions people..all speak “greeks” words???..
no chance..
there are only normal words..not from “greek science”..
proof?..
type in google search cyrilic…
results are from Macedonia to Tokio…
greeks are so funny…
p.s..
what mean GREEK,GREECE?…
they have no etymology for country..
4.000 y. “greek culture” ?….
done with greek liars and western pan-hellenisam..
greeks are gays from ancient time everyone know that. they didnt ivent antything and just stole and they had slaves and are gays in larouse dictionary greek mean liar and thief and greeks are always liars
they are not like the real greeks but albanians and turks and gypsies and slavs
One just can’t but wonder where on earth you come up with these things?
Lets just clarify that what Herodotus describes IS NOT related to Pelasgians in any way, but as he clearly states in book 4.180 this is how the Machlyans celebrate in honor of Athena AFTER the arrival of the Hellenes that reside next to them. (after the arrival of the Hellenes, they used Corinthian helmets and Hellenic panoply while he believes they previously used Egyptian)
But all this is in vain simply because the author either ignores or intetnionally omits to mention that the lake Triton related to the myth of Athena has little to do with Lybia. Pausanias book 9.33.7 clarifies that the actual lake Triton next to which she was reared was in Boeotia.
Orphesus Ignoramus
The cited source is : Robert Graves The Greek Myths. Go buy the book and read so you learn a little more. Robert Grave is an eminent authority on Greek history. He is also “caucasian”.
And after you buy that book and read it, go and fix up your inferior and cheap website. Perhaps you will get more visitors to keep you busy from envying other well researched and renowned websites.
Shame on the jealous!
Jahdey
Firstly the claim of Pelasgians isn’t made by any R.Graves but by the author of this outrageous article..
But do tell us oh’ shining light of knowledge..since when is a poet and novelist with no historic schooling what so ever considered an authority?
Anyway alleged authority or not, the rediculous attempt to attribute the story to Pelasgians is trashed (citations provided above)
So lets forget about your suggestions and hope that you read Herodotus and Pausanias and maybe God forbid, learn the truth.
As for the so called inferior website compared to this “well researched” one.
Unlike what we constantly find in here, noone can find a single distorted text.
So prior to attempting to degrade what you simply can not reach, I’d suggest you deal with your own inferiority complex that drives you to intentionally distort texts, selective quotations and this pathetic rampage of personal attacks due to the resentment to the feeling of the humiliation of being exposed.
“Skopian-Macedon”, you are not Greek but a Slavic pretender. Macedonians were/are Greek and Afrocentric need to stop stealing European history. Greek civilization and Greeks both ancient and modern were white caucasian people not black Africans like Afrocentric try to make them out to be.
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