Comments on: Black African Moors of The Great Senegal Empire Pt 1– by Jide Uwechia

By: Referee

Referee — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:56:34 +0000

Alright, you two are killing me lol.
Uraeus it looks like you are loosing the battle though. W\here are U?

What did the greatest African, black, (Kmet) civilization say about the Berber people? How are the Lybian from Kmet related to the Berbers?
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By: Jahdey

Jahdey — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:25:38 +0000

Your argument is full of false assumptions. E3b2 is a Y-haplogroup dominant in some berber groups of North and West Africa. Yet, it is not by any means the sole genetic haplogroup possessed by groups which are historical berbers. Many other clades of E including E3b, E3a, are common among the berbers. This is true since there is no race or tribe or colour that is composed of onlyh one Haplogroup. It is a mark of ignorance, of pseudo learning, when one makes a blanket claim about the significance of a certain clade of a genetic haplogroup. It is a mark of desperation found in recent immigrants who want to set up a bogus claim to heritage that is not theirs.

Now a few questions for you my friend Dave, alias Orphesus alias Uraeus the ignorant and incorrigible:

1. Is E3b2 a marker of your so-called “white Mediterranean race” you fake Turki? If so, then please provide me with citations?

2. What countries are included in your subsaharan designation? Is Mali subsaharan, Is Chad subsaharan, is Mauretaania sub-saharan? Is Libya sub-saharan? Is Sudan sub-saharan? Is Northern Nigeria sub-saharan? Niger?

3. What is the provenance of the E Haplogroup? Do you really known about E3b2?

Y-chromosome
macrohaplogroup E is the most prevalent haplogroup amongst the Berbers. Haplogroup E is thought to have emerged in Sub-Saharan Africa and would have later dispersed into North Africa . The major sub-clades of haplogroup E found amongst Berbers belong to E1b1b which is believed to have emerged in East Africa. Common subclades include, E1b1b1a, E1b1b1b and E1b1b1*. E1b1b1b is distributed along a west-to-east cline with frequencies as high as 80% in Northwest Africa…..

E1b1b1b (E-M81) is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in North Africa, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. The parent clade E1b1b originated in East Africa. ( Arredi et al. (2004)

See: Cruciani F, La Fratta R, Santolamazza P et al. (May 2004). “Phylogeographic analysis of haplogroup E3b (E-M215) y chromosomes reveals multiple migratory events within and out of Africa”. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 74 (5): 1014–22. doi:10.1086/386294. ISSN 0002-9297. PMID 15042509.

By: uraeus

uraeus — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:37:51 +0000

The Berber haplogroup that is specific to Berbers is E1b1b1b [M81], previously called E3b2 which is my haplogroup, not found in subsaharan Africa; but specific to the Magreb. And by no way did I ever say that it was European ! It is a NorthAfrican haplogroup . It is also found in southern Europe but at lower frequency than in NorthAfrica. for your information the land of Turk-men made you black Americans slaves from which you find hard to forget and move on. The Moors is a term used for the Westen Berbers, the word Moor/Mauri means the west. I have been to Germany many times on business and was always welcomed with open arms! But the Germans don`t seem to like you tanned Subsaharans though!

Uraeus a white Mediterranean Berber with a pink arse from the Atlas mountains of NorthAfrica, Algeria

By: Jahdey

Jahdey — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:24:37 +0000

Now we get to business with Igno-Uraeus:

Igno_uraeus claims that:

“All the historical artefacts and sculptures prouve the absolute contrary to what you claim”

Jahdey roars:

“Citations please…citations”

Igno-Uraeus brays:

“And the moors have always been a white Mediterranean race..”

Jahdey roars:

“Citations..please, citations. Where in the Mediterranean did the Moors arise? What is the Berber haplogroup that you refer to? Show us how it is European? And use peer reviewed authority as your references.”

“The words of an ignorant racist Turkish kid is nothing we need to rely on.”

Igno-uraeus whines:
“..Uraeus a white Mediterranean Berber from the Atlas mountains of NorthAfrica, Algeria…”

Jahdey roars:

Igno-Uraeus, you are one thin arse pink yellow Turkish thug. Go to Germany and see what they do with your Turkish types there you little ungrateful mongrel lucky to have been given a temporary abode in Africa. But your time is up! We are gonna run you back to Turkmenistan, the land of Turk-men.

By: uraeus

uraeus — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:59:59 +0000

Yes you are a scholar! of brainwashed bullshit! The only outlandish claims are made by you on this site and by other Afrocentrist “IDIOTS ” the only braying donkey is you, you poor demented Afrocentric twit! Yes you do shock me with your inane claims of raw sewage.
All the historical artefacts and sculptures prouve the absolute contrary to what you claim,
all respected archaeologists,historians, geneticists, black or white know the truth and repudiate your braying donkey lies!
I have read what you claim to be evidence and I watched the very outlandish video, for your information Robin hood was a myth he never existed nor did his Black moor friend. What you claim as a scholarly exposition is a load of rubbish; a two year old child could produce better falsified truths. you are the pathetic whinning mongrel dog that clearly can`t take the truth that all my Berber brethren are a white mediterranean race, which your fabricated lies cannot change.

Uraeus a white Mediterranean Berber from the Atlas mountains of NorthAfrica, Algeria.

By: Jahdey

Jahdey — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:07:43 +0000

Uraeus

I am a scholar way above your head. I am more than a match for your calcified pineal gland. I just set out three pieces of evidence yet you have posited non in rebuttal. All you are doing is braying like a donkey about your supposed imaginary Berber roots. You are one sick Eurocentric Swastika worshipping fakery claiming berber. Do you suppose it is every mongrel dog that comes whinning on the internet that I take seriously. If you were Berber you would be naming your family, your maternal ancestry as well as your paternal tribe. You would not be jabbering about some Berber DNA which you failed to specify. I do not know you, nor will I likely ever know you so I do not have any means of verifying your outlandish claims. If you want to demonstrate that Berbers are from other than Africa you need to show your evidence, scholarly writing, multi-disciplinary research, and historical artefacts and scupltures. Sorry you are not making any head way, you are simply left with making bland and groundless acclamations about lies that you have lived all your life. But the truth was always there, since a lie told a thousand years is still a lie. My Turki friend, welcome to Rasta Livewire, we will shock you with raw knowledge!

Here you will find, well researched scholarly exposition on the appearance of the original Berbers:

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-appearance-of-the-original-berbers-according-to-european-perceptions-by-dana-marniche/

Jahdey

By: uraeus

uraeus — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:28:04 +0000

Jahdey , you are an Afrocentrist, who has been brain washed!
For your information I am a pure Berber as my DNA prouves. I had my Dna tested which prouves my pure Berber ancestry. As I always knew it would! And the moors have always been a white Mediterranean race. The so called Black moors are in fact called Haratin who are the descendants of the touareg slaves. Also for your information the touareg are not Berbers as their Dna prouves, the are closely related to the Beja peoples of the Northern Sudan; from whom they split away some five thousand years ago. Then they moved North into the Northern territories of the Berbers, and under the tutelage of the Berber learned their language so that they could trade with the Berbers.
I hope this history lesson will make your day more pleasant, knowing that Berbers are a white Mediterranean race.

uraeus a kabyle Berber

By: Jahdey

Jahdey — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:55:14 +0000

Uraeus ignorance is death. You are not a Berber if your are so called white. No, you are a descendant of a Turk, or Alabanian, or perhaps Vandal invader who now seeks to claim the great history of black people as his. Your hubris and wild claims are nothing since you have not substantiated your huffing and puffing. Indeed you are the thief, the liar and the ignoramus as the following evidence clearly demonstrates:

What did the Sanhaja Moors look like:

Yusuf ibn Tashfin their leader was described by Ali ibn Abd allah in Roudh el-Kartas as “Brown in color, middle height, thin, little beard, soft voice, black eyes, straight nose, lock of Muhammad falling on top of his ear, eye brow joined, wooly hair”

Pictures of historical and contemporary Moors: http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-dynasty-of-europe-the-heralded-moors-video-documentary/

The Riffian Berbers:
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-pirates-of-the-mediteranean-sea-the-riffan-muurs-of-morocco-ogu-ejiofo-annu/

By: uraeus

uraeus — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:33:43 +0000

Sanhaja Berbers are not a black race, they are a white Mediterranean race; who originated in Northern Morocco and then spread South. As usual this site takes other peoples history and attempts to turn it into Black peoples history, All the Berbers know what the Afrocentrist agenda is ; to usurp the history of others and to brain wash all other Black Americans into believing lies and fabrications. I suggest you stick with your own history and stop stealing the Berbers/Moors rich history. For your knowledge the word Africa comes from the Berbers, originally IFRIQYIA, which comes from the Berber verb
IFRI/IFREN which means grotto/cave dweller, which also stood for their homeland which is now known as Northern Tunisia/and Eastern Algeria. Also the word Mauretania comes from the pheonician word maureti meaning the ” WEST ” not black.

Uraeus I am a Kabyle Berber.

By: Judith Grace

Judith Grace — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:41:45 +0000

keep tha know edge flowin