The Fomorians
There are many oblique references to the presence of Black people in ancient Ireland. Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. According to the ancient lore, they were a cushitic people from the African continent. Often depicted as demons, they defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.
Those myths may have a factual historical basis. It is proposed that the Formorians were a real people who were in all likelihood sailors from the African continent.
Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more.
There are credible sources for the African association with Ireland. The most likely of these is that they were Phoenicians and/or Egyptians. The Phoenicians were Canaanites, which came from the line of Ham. Ham is the mythological ancestor of the Black nation.
The Phoenicians were also well-known for their sailing skills, and are said to have traveled to the British Isles, which they called the “Tin Islands”. Perhaps, before Ireland was a Celtic domain, which it wasn’t until a few centuries BCE, the Phoenicians colonized it. It is noteworthy that the name Fomorians sounds a bit like Phoenicians.
There is also a legend that an Egyptian princess, Scota, left Egypt with some followers and journeyed to Ireland. Legend has it that Egyptians left many ancient tin mines all over Britain but especially Ireland which was their major source of the valuable metal.
Another idea is that they were Taureg Berbers. The Berber language is Hamitic, and the Berber people live in an area from which travel to Ireland would be easily accessible. The Berbers perhaps set sail from western Morocco, and settled on Ireland before the Celts, making it their new home.
Moorish Science Temple founder Drew Ali teaches that Ireland was once part of a Moorish empire, and that the Irish are a Moorish people. Perhaps there is a common root between the “moor” sound in Fomor and the word Moor?
Selkies and Half-Breeds
Another Irish legend tells of the Selkies, a sort-of “wereseal” that is a seal during day, but a human by nightfall. Sometimes, in an Irish family of fair-skinned, light-haired people, a child is born with dark hair eyes, and skin, and is called a Selkie.
The concept of the Selkies appears to make subliminal reference to the half-breed children that resulted from the extensive miscegenation that occurred between the Celts and the dark skinned original inhabitants that they had met upon their arrival in Ireland.
Many people of Irish descent have distant and recent African roots, and these features can still be seen in the people and in the culture. There are some Irish people with Afros (just like Andre the Giant a late continental European wrestler with afro-hair). In Southern Ireland, some people, referred to as “Black Irish”, are noted for their strikingly dark features, as opposed to the fair-skinned, light-haired north.
Although many Irish descendants are particularly pale, they do have pronounced Africoid facial features, as well as dark brown eyes, and dark brown hair that is sort-of kinky, especially in moist conditions. A sub race of the Irish called the Bronn are noticeably Mediterranean (read: African) in features especially their hair.
In addition to all of this, Celtic music is distinctly different from the rest of Europe, and easily comparable to African music.
Black, Viking and Irish
Unlike Scotland and England, Ireland was never colonized by the Romans. As a result, Ireland remained relatively isolated.
The Vikings established port cities like Dublin. The Viking texts left stories and descriptions of African soldiers captured in Ireland whom they called blaumen[blue-men].
Most Viking references to ”black” in Norse would have signified having black hair as opposed to skin color but blaumen meant black skinned. Most of these blaumen were captured soliders from Moorish Spain. It was observed that:
“A prominent Viking of the eleventh century was Thorhall, who was aboard the ship that carried the early Vikings to the shores of North America. Thorhall was “the huntsman in summer, and in winter the steward of Eric the Red. He was, it is said, a large man, and strong, black, and like a giant, silent, and foul-mouthed in his speech, and always egged on Eric to the worst; he was a bad Christian.”"
“Another Viking, more notable than Thorhall, was Earl Thorfinn, “the most distinguished of all the earls in the Islands.” Thorfinn ruled over nine earldoms in Scotland and Ireland, and died at the age of seventy-five. His widow married the king of Scotland. Thorfinn was described as “one of the largest men in point of stature, and ugly, sharp featured, and somewhat tawny, and the most martial looking man… It has been related that he was the foremost of all his men.”"
What about Scotland and Wales?
“Any comprehensive account of the African presence in early Europe should include England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Scandinavia. The history and legends of Scotland confirm the existence of “purely Black people.” We see one of them in the person of Kenneth the Niger. During the tenth century Kenneth the Niger ruled over three provinces in the Scottish Highlands.
The historical and literary traditions of Wales reflect similar beliefs. According to Gwyn Jones (perhaps the world’s leading authority on the subject), to the Welsh chroniclers, “The Danes coming in by way of England and the Norwegians by way of Ireland were pretty well all black: Black Gentiles, Black Norsemen, Black Host.”"
Ogu Eji Ofo Annu
Sources:
Ancient And Modern Britons, by David Mac Ritchie
Nature Knows No Color-Line, by J.A. Rogers
you know with this new dna thing you can tell who is black and is not most findings i study shows a connec on every thing so lets see: 1) the picts,the basque,the danes have the same y-haplo group as the sinti gypsies who the so called white man call the black dutch and they also related to the people of northern camaroon anoher black people, if you look at these people they all have the same thing in common they are all dark people also if yo look at y-dna map you will see that R y-dna is related to Q y-dna wich is the y-haplo group of the native americans, which in turn prove what david mac ritchie said in his book (the ancient and modern britons )that the basque, and iberians are a dark people and are the descendants of the moors and gypsies who are all so-called black men. the white europeans y-dna is I and G ….not R so the real irish are a black people who are the descendants of the moorish gypsies and are related to the native americans and just incase some body say see the ancient russians are R-Y-DNA ALL THAT PERSON HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE RUSSIAN ICONS AND YOU CAN SEE FOR YOUR SELF THE THE PEOPLE IN HISTORY THAT WAS KNOWN AS “THE RUS” WAS ALSO A DARK SKIN PEOPLE WITH BOTH CURLY AND WAVY HAIR LIKE THE MOORISH-GYPSIES AND NATIVE AMERICANS JUST A DIFFERENT STYLE OF CULTURE BUT THE SAME PEOPLE AND RACE…. THEY DID NOT LOOK LIKE SOCALLED WHITE PEOPLE WE MUST REMEMBER THAT HE’S NOT GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH OR OUR HISTORY CAUSE HE’S A CULTURE THIEF!!!! SO IT’S REALLY UP TO US TO TELL OUR HISTORY NOT HIM CAUSE IF HE DO SO, HE’S GONNA MAKE SURE YOU DON’T KNOW THE TRUE STORY AND LIE JUST LIKE HE ALWAYS HAVE…….. PEACE! AND LOVE TO ALL THE Y-HAPLO GROUPS WITH COLOR E,Q,O,C,H,J,M AND ALL RELATED
if any one have any questions be free to e-maill me at sonsoftheprophets@yahoo.com peace
I’ve been reading comments on this article for a year, and they get more and more ridiculous all the time.
Black racists say that Black people are the real heralds of civilization, and Whites are redneck barbarians.
White racists say that White people are the architects of the universe, and that Blacks are backwards spear-chuckers.
The truth of the matter is that every race in the world (and there are seven major ones, go look it up) has contributed something good to humanity. Racism is a sure fire way to keep everyone ignorant.
Nation of Islamers and Ku Klux Klan members can both go die in a fire. This is about unity, not division.
I myself am Scottish on my dad’s side and Irish/Welsh/Native American on my mom’s side. Most Scots that I’ve seen before have had either ginger features or darker tones and complexions, myself included. North African tribes were the first to colonize Britain and Ireland, and their genetic footprints still stand. In fact, according to genetic research, most of Scotland is still of Pictish descent, and the Picts were likely Afro-Asiatic!
Look at people like George Clooney, Colin Farrell, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Gerard Butler, and other Celtic actors. They have darker features and don’t look Aryan at all. One day, the racist Nazi and Klan fuckers will have to acknowledge that Celts have African, Medeterranian, and yes, even SEMITIC genetic contributions.
You can flame me all you want – I don’t care.
This business of ancient black africans coloizing Ireland is a propagandised lie with no basis in fact, forever pushed by multiculturalists to justify any homogenous culture to accept alien cultures and cross breeding. Inteligent educated readers demand hard verifiable facts to substantiate all of these types of claims. We also demand to know the qualifactions of the individuals responsible for making such claims as well. Since this claim has not been substantiated it is obviously invalid, hense the conclusion is invlid as well.
not neccescerily……..
If you look at the “History of Ireland” by Geoffrey Keating, published in 1902 by the Irish Texts Society,
on page 179 is the following sentence. Translated from Irish, it says” Neimheadh won three battles on the Fomorians, namely, navigators of the race of Cham, who fared from Africa.” On page 183 it also says that “they used to be called Fomorians namely, from their being committing robbery on sea.”
So while the Fomorians don’t seem to have been very nice people, and most of them were wiped off the map of Ireland by the Celts, among others a few might have survived. If you are curious, look at Frenchpark,
Roscommon, for some answers
This, while amusing, is the largest load of bunk in a long time. That man and civilization originated in Africa is almost unquestioned. That genetically we can trace ourselves to about for women (via mitochondrial DNA) is argued, but well down the road to accepted as fact. None of that means much since the former issues represent human development around 200,000 years ago. Consider the advent of science… A wonderful three letter concept: DNA. There is NO known/identified connection between Ireland/England/Scotland and Africa.
Weren’t the Fororians from Scandinavia? I thought the Black danes referred to Amor… I guess we all try to make ourselvs fel better by showing superiority over others…
It was amusing to read new fairy tales
I agree that it is funny, because I am the whitest African you have ever seen. but…….
many fairy tales come from real life. The word Fomoran means dark from the sea.
If you look up the haplogroup R1b3, you will see that it can be found in populations in the west of Ireland and in parts of Africa.
I agree it seems unlikely, but unlikely does not mean impossible.
hmm……. As I was erased I will try again.
DNA is a wonderful thing and my DNA is R31b,
which is uncommon in Europe, but common in Ireland. It can also be found in Camaroon.
Ireland has been inhabited for 10,000 years
and it is entirely possible that the first to explore a newly unfrozen land were from a warmer climate, namely Africa. Both the Romans and the Vikings have written about ‘Large black men living in the west.” The ones who had darker color would not have survived in a cold climate, so the preference for survival would have been for lighter skin, and after a few thousand years, genetic changes would have occurred.
the moors invaded italy specifically that island that was red heads and blonds plus blue eyes no more , sicilians ?heard o them? thank the moors. the dadgum irish are are still pale. black irish were tea totallers non drinkin micks ps i aint seen a red headed IIItalin since i was a kid her ma was a kraut
A 1000 years ago, when London & Paris werre dusty villages, Baghdad was enjoying a golden era. The Moors (the Arabs) invaded Spain and remained in Spain for over 700 years. The rest is history. The Spanish became powerful and their Armada in Ireland is a living proof that the black Irish are Arabs.
The Irish Claim in their miths that they are from Iberia (Melesian).
They are almost identical genetically to the Basque. Neither group has much in common with present day “Africans”. Both groups have remained very genetically homogenious over time, indicating that they have not been drowned out by other groups. This article does give Afrocentrics ever decreasing credibility. Just as those who tried to state that the first American presedent was black – total B.S. But if you incist that every accomplishment and every places was first occupied by Africans of exactly the same type that exist in Sub-Saharan Africa today, then perhaps you won’t mind taking credit for the only successful case of genocide in the history of man – extinction of the Neanderthals.
Irish have no Black human ancestry directly. Is Art Garfunckel Black because of his “fro”? No. I am not sure that our common ancestors started out with kinky hair. You do not see that in any other primate. It may have been a gene that appeared after the split between African and Caucasian/ Asian races. As someone stated earlier, skin color is not a good predictor of race. This is an adaptation to enviornment. The farther away from the equator one gets, the less sunlight he gets. The less sunlight absorbed the less active Vit D is created. More melanin in the skin blocks more sunlight. Northern peoples need lighter shin, so they can absorb enough sunlight to creat adequate Vit D. On side effect of to little Vit D is a decrease in fertility.
There are many interesting studies on the differences between races. On pointts out measurements that cannot be argued with: Mongoloid brain/body size is greater than Caucasian is greater than Negroid. Negroid testosterone levels are greater than caucasian are greater than Mongoloid. Negroid penis size is greater than Caucasin is greater than Mongoloid. Now we know that Afrocentric men are very proud to say that their shafts are the biggest. But those same people will howl and cry racism at the thought that their brains are smaller. When in fact as women would agree, men thing with their penis anyway. My point is that science is developing ways to so interconnections, ancestry, and differences. We cannot count on mythology. Who know, a few thousand yeard from now, the legend of Tarzan may be cited as proof that one Caucasian baby crashed in Africa, learned to communicate with all the animals, and dominated a whole negroid population – what a croc.
I am just asking the Afrocentric activists to be reasonable and produce good research. Of course, Having been in research, I am awar that the authors always have their own (unscientific) agenda, and come to very questionable conclusions from the data they have.
I read a very intersting article by a black man, and he stated the problem with the black community is that they depend on a group identity. They are not allowed to be individuals. Well I am happy to say that my best friend id Puertorician – he has individual identity and is actually proud of the American culter as it has evolved from European Ancestry. I have a very good friend that Is Black. SOmetime he starts to cry poor opressed black man, but when I call him on the reality of things, he thinks about it and agrees. He is even writing a thesis on the fact that in America, there is only one group of people with no help from the government when they need it , caucasian males. I only pointed my friends out, so you won’t embarrass yourself by ranting about me being a racist. I am only interested incalling things the way they are. If there was proof that Irish were black, I would have no problem with it – it just is not so. Sorry I rambled so long, I guess I have too much spare time – no the reallity is that this is more interesting than TV.
There was no such thing as an “American Indian” until Europeans came over. There were a bunch of stone age tribes, just as in many parst of the world. They all wanted to take control and expland, just like all over the world. They teamed up with Europeans to kill off their neighbors, just like all over the world. They encountered a much larger and a superior military force – Europeans. They also thought that the white man could not survive in their lands – he did not have the skill. They felt that it was OK to lie to a white man because he was not the same people. The Cherokee nation bought and worked black slaves. Everyone back then thought slavery was fine, just as long as you were not the slave. But I expect more from my government. The fact that they made promises and broke them on a whim, is not right. I firmly believe that Andrew Jackson Should have been impeached and charged with criminal acts for defying the supreme court. He was a monster. Take him off the twenty.
Nyalnl, The Irish were not slaves in the same since. They were forced to work at slave wages and take the hardest jobs. The reason being that a slave was considered a valuable piece of property. Therefore, much better to risk the life and health of the Irishman than one’s valuable propery. Also the light skin was a benifit to northern peoples, just as cycle cell was to west Africans. Light skin insured good ViT D levels. Hetero-cycle cell insured survival from malaria. Also Dark skinned peoples do get skin cancer, just not as much. But it is harder to spot. Thanks for your positive comments. I try to be objective and leave emotions and insecutities out, because they are of no value. History shows what was a ggod survival strategy in one area may not have worked in another. Thats part of the reason diversity developed. Keep the love going.
Nowadays Europeans are to a certain extent direct descendants of the Romans and their slaves who overlapped with the Celts and the Greeks who were there before them all over Europe including Britannia.
Later, Germanic tribes from the north to a large extent and Arabs from the south to a lesser extent also got into the mix.
Some of the Germanic tribes were also mixed up with some central Asian elements.
North Africa and the Middle East pretty much shared that same genetic makeup along with local peoples until they got overrun by the Arabs.
My point his that in the end we are pretty much not that different genetically speaking.
I just stumbled on this site. Very Interesting that ignorance is alive and well in 09. National Geo. has long cleared up this in March 2006 The Greatest Journey ever told, what you mutant Niggers don’t read? To sum up what we self educated Negroes know,and it seems some ‘whites’ used to be colored Negroes know.No one Non -Colored can produce a colored child. Has NEVER happened will Never happen. But a person of color especially BLACK, can & has produced a ‘Mutation’ so-called white race, That race does not exist. Proof further everybody had to be a color,in order not to be one now. You whites are mutations of black albinos you went too far to the right. Everyone on this earth was black . When a child was born without color in Africa they were left to die for it was considered evil to be born without looking like your Mother & Father the original colored race. And whites have proved,been proved ,that The COLORED PEOPLE were here before anyone. Look at the pic of Osiris His name means ‘Lord of the Perfect BLACK’ not White. We painted ourselves in color not pale.Osiris had 4 sons the black man, the brown, the red,& the yellow. Any other is cursed in bible you are cursed if you turn white.To have a working Pineal Gland is the blessing of the creator mom & dad. To not have color is a disease. Read Dr. Frances Cress Welsing the Isis Papers. Nothing Racist about it truth. Read it & weep. The Pineal Gland is the Master Gland ,the Third Eye it produces Melanin, the substance that gives you color. And don’t forget to add insult to injury, when the slavemaster father a child with a slave, it looked like him mutant in most cases.So he sold that child too.Most of them could pass, so they hooked up with whites & THAT CHILD CAME OUT LIGHTER. One drop of black blood dominates. The much stronger genes are from the original man & the lady that had ALL of us. All of mankind (kind of a man) Mutant Albinos, & Hueman beings came from melaninated peoples of the Earth. There was NO Story,before the African Story NONE…No thought, language,culture, nothing before the colored people.
Bravo Sean,
for acknowledging your history and the well-knwon traditions of the blacks in Ireland. It takes nothing away from your Irishness that you may have had some black blood. Just as it takes nothing from my blackness that I have a recent red-haired great grandmother who spoke of some ancestors that fled a potato famine in Ireland. No one who loves their heritage is going to try to deny the heritage of their own ancestors.
The people of which you speak are probably the Firbolg also related to the black Danes. The tradition of Danaus is thought to have been related to that of Odin. I believe they were descendants of the early or original Berbers such as the Tuareg and Woodabe Fulani, whose men are often reach close to 7 feet in height and who were also closely related to tall pre-Islamic Arabians of Hejaz and Yemen known as Ad or Adhar or Athir, Jazar or Khazaraj, and Amalek or Meluhha. The Shasu of the stock of Ad also according to tradition settled in the Bornu Sudan including Cameroon as well long before the time of Christ.
The mythological traditions of Dione in Ireland are related to those of the early Danaus (Aden and Adnan) and Belus or Baal of pre-Islamic Arabians. The Mauri who were mostly an early extension of the Ad Sabaeans and Amalekites back into Arabia due to their Hyksos invasion occupied both the northern coast of Africa and the Iberian peninsula in pre-islamic times. Some near Cadiz were known as Erembi Nigri.
There were also smaller black people who survived in Ireland and the Hebrides up until the 18th century, who may have been descended from the Picts, but could have been descended from the Moorish Arabs similarly described who had settled in Sicily. The small black people known as Tamim bin Murra (of Spain Palermo), Hudhail, Hamida and other of the very small sized “chocolate colored “near black” tribes still living in parts of the Hejaz.and Yemen in Arabia.
Dear Dana and all,
Thanks,
That is exactly my point. It does not matter what colour you are or where your family is from.
These ideas died with the British Empire. What is important is the content of your character. peace….
Thank You All knowledgable Brothers & Sisters. It’s MAAT tIme.Truth & Justice.Truth is we are all related.All came from one Dark Skinned Man & Woman all called her Creator.Different names same woman Auset,Isis,Astarte,Mary,etc. the list goes on.The real issue here is to find out what made caucasians to lose their color in the first place.How do you lose Pineal Gland function?That question can only be answered in Africa first,then when the African Albinos left for a cooler climate. Everyone can name names , but trace it back you gonna always come up Black. We were all fooled for a reason.Read Willie Lynch letter, real or not it’s working.We were divided for a reason, given lies look up the family Arius Calpurnius Piso aka Flavius Josephus.Then the 3rd EYERS should be able to see a little better.When the veil is truly lifted all should see the plot.Go to the website Blacked Out Through Whitewash,the information is there if you seek.Then Brothers & Sisters can live ,regardless of the outter cover real Black is in not out.Peace & Love to all the Truth Bringers.And to the holders of the Lie, may truth have mercy on you…
wow i have no idea what you are talking about i just clicked on a link of a picture of evonne goolagong and there is a hole bunch of black irish american people talk
Interesting. My mom, a Shropshire, had black hair that would stand up on its own and olive skn. My hair, at age 64, is still natural blonde, my skin sort of olive and my eyes green. So far do not have any natural blonde descendents (granchildren). Where did the blonde come from?? I am really it in my family.
My roots, I heard, are Scottish-Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, Does not really matter to me what my roots are. It is kind of like astrology. How can you take apart the puzzle in order to undestand it better? Makes no sense. We are what we are now. Reincarnation is another puzzle that I feel is a diversion away from the reality of now. So what? Who cares? What does it have to do with the price of eggs in China?
Having had some influence to not trust blacks when small, I eventually grew to understand this was wrong so I got up and gave a black lady my seat at the front of the bus when the sign up front said, “Colored To The Rear.” And during the lunchroom sit-ins in NC I could understand the why of it. They were attempting to right a wrong and I felt it was about time.
I have, though, suffered through the years at the hands of blacks because of the general concensus that others thought they were inferior, therefore as I was white I was seen as a potential enemy. Then I was thinking, “A lot of good has happened for blacks since MLK!” And it has! This was good.
Now, the racism wants to creep back in, flare up again and tear down what has transpired over the last 200 or so years, as if it never happened. Finally figured out that it was the rebel rousers preaching hatred and racism for injustices that happened a very long time ago. Guess that was a good way for them to cause division, to take power where they should not have it. That is all it is, a power play.
I really believe we were doing fine with our problems until the outsiders came along and wanted to take power. They will do anything to cause unrest and division, therefore we are more easily conquered – black, white, yellow, red, no matter. We are all human beings and those that only want power are willing to divide us and take us over. Notice I said us, which for me means US or The United States of America. We are all in this together.
Jahdey,
Eddy3957, fixing his gaze down upon the little man before him, hand extended and pointing at Jahdey:
“After skimming some of your comments here, it’s obvious that you Jahdey are one REALLY hate filled character.”
With compassion for the wretched among us, characteristic of normal people, Eddy3957 goes no further.
^^Yawn!!!
Yes Eddy666 you are right. I hate bitches like you!
Jahdey
There are people who say the Neanderthals never reached Scotland. It can however be shown that Egypt was founded by Menes (Misraem ) in 2189 /2188 BC and my current research shows that Cichol Gricenchos (A son of Sidon ) started his fishing industry in the North of Scotland in 2225 BC 200 yrs before the Battle of Magithe in Ireland under Partholan and these people the formores or Picts were in actual fact huntergatherers of the “Palaeolithic”. They were according to the evidense Neanderthals and contrary to popular oppinion addopted Neolithic civilization in 2189 BC two yrs after Babel despersion (2191 BC) . These dates are backed by the ancient chroniclers. Thus the secular or standard chronology for Egypt of ca 3215 BC is a perfect match for the Ussherian timeline of 2189/2188 BC contemporay with the founding of Egypt. For this and other information please visit my website at http://www.johnhextfremlin.com
With all due respect, John, that date for the “founding” of Egypt is preposterous and is based on the archaic Christian notion that the world is little more than 6,000 years old. Whatever proof you’ve cobbled together for that date has some seeeeeeeerious holes in it.
WOW! This post has been going on for 3 years! It has taken me a hour to read most of these posts and I am astonished by the varied and large amount of opinions, facts, misinformation and ideological rhetoric.
I am teacher of Scandinavian studies and specialist in Bronze Age history.
Point 1: There were NO black Viking kings! The first official king of Norway and Sweden were King Haarald Hardrotta (sp) and King Gustav Vasa I. Norway and Swedens nationalism started around the 16th century. I can guarantee that these two men were not “blomen” (blue men). Prior to these two men nationalizing Norway and Sweden there were many smaller chieftains.
Point 2: Long Viking history short…. Norse from Norway sailed towards Scotland(Isle of Man, Orkney Isle), England AND Ireland on their way to the Faeroe Island, Iceland, Greenland and North America. Norse from Sweden sailed eastward into Finland, western Russia to the Black Sea and into Turkey. For the curious look up who the Variagian Guards were and their relationship with the Emperor of the Byzantine. Rus/Swedish Norseman often served the Emperor of Byzantine for 18 years. So, of course they would have known about North Africa and the Moorse. They traded with them heavely. In Birka,Sweden, Helgo Norway and Gotland there is archeological finds of “hoards” with North African and Arab coins. It was very common for a Norse woman to wear these coins as jewelry and as sign of wealth. Did the Norse marry North Africans or Arabs. There is no record in the Sagas, Eddas or the Book of Names (Iceland)of them doing so but they would have encouraged and invited them to travel with them. They do have a name for people they look down upon and that is “skraeling.” In all the records there is no reference of this name being applied to North Africans or Arabs. In fact the Norse prized the knowledge of the Arabs and the North Africans. THAT ladies and gentlemen is in the records.
Point 3: Basic Bronze Age History 101- The Bronze Age in Europe, and I am focusing on Europe in this post, first started in 4th Millinium B.C. and continued well into the Iron Age. I would recommend that you all look up the Amber Road. This trade route started in the Baltic and Northern Germany and went all the way down into North Africa and Egypt. Baltic Amber has been discovered in Early Egyptian pharaohs tombs, most notably King Tuts. Bronze has been found as far north as the Scandinavian countries and as far west as Ireland.
How is Bronze made? This is an interesting look on trade. Bronze is made in two ways. 1. Copper and Tin or 2. Copper and Zinc. Now there is a 3rd which copper and arsnic but that is only found in Russia/Ukraine. Where is copper mined during the Bronze Age? It was mined in three places….. 1. Germany/Baltics 2. The Ukraine mountains most noteably in the Carpathian mts.. 3. Ireland. Where is tin mined? Two places; 1. Britian (Joseph of Aramathia owned tin mines in England…hmmmm) 2. Ireland.
Now Ladies and Gentlemen.. this is a very generalized and brief history lesson on the Bronze Age. But, the development of bronze significantly altered the face of Europe and trade. Yes, it is very very possible that African’s found there way to Ireland. How else would you secure the mines for trade? Ireland was also the center of trade for the Vikings going to Iceland. Vikings were known to create names based of physical appearance, ie Harrald Bluetooth…family lineage and points of origin ie Dyrfinn (beloved one from Finland-a Saami reference). Could Africans make to Ireland.. yes. Are they the foundations for Irish culture… doubtful. Otherwise the Norse would have mentioned them in their writings.
Now, when I have taught the Renaissance Period in school there is a lot of references of Spanish/Moorish survivors of the Spanish Armada that made it to Southern Ireland. Isn’t that the real source of the “Black Irish?”
Who knows… as the Genome project continues to grow and the data base grows larger… we may find that WE all were originally from a planet called Caprica and we are actually part Cylon.
check this out
Meet The Afrikan, Mitochondrial Eve Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bie96K8YujE&feature=related
Uh, this is utter crap. Take it from a native Gaelic speaker, the name of the Fomorians comes from the Gaelic “faoi muire” which means “under the sea” not “black of the sea”.
You can’t seriously be making judgments based on what a word looks and sounds like as compared to words in completely languages. The Irish are a lot of things, we’re a mesh of Celtic, Germanic, and Basque. But one thing we’re not, and that is African. All serious research shows that.
Granted Mac mac mikel that not all Irish come from Africa. Those that descended from the Troglodytes apes did not come directly from Africa. They might have evolved into creatures such as yourself, his “eminence” Mac Mac mikel.
The MauroIberians are from Africa. The Formorians are from Africa. The Silures are African. The Irish of African descent know themselves.
The fakers who come from pale cave dwelling apes also know themselves.
BTW: You are one fake Gaelic speaker if you do not know that “muir” is a variant of “moor”.
That meaning of muir is never used in Irish. Muir in this case shares the root of mara (sea). That can be seen in the various transformation of the Irish names of the Formorians.
Who, by the way, are completely fictional. Most people who have studied Irish may be aware of Keating’s history of Ireland and the Tuatha dé Danann and all the rest, but they are completely mythical and have no historical basis whatsoever. The Neolithic people of Ireland came in a number of waves (far more than Keating’s seven) from all around Europe. I haven’t heard North Africa ruled out, but there is little archaeological evidence.
I’m hear because I’m reading Doomnsday Key by James Rollins..he mentions and uses the formotians as part of his book plot…so it made me interested..and well..here i am…howdy..
I’m irish and i always found the irish culture had a lot in common with african culture, especially the rhythmic music. this is a very interesting article.
First off, tip of the hat to Tired Viking Professor, its nice to hear from an educated person with a PHD. Not some black person trying to steal the Irish identity or some white person trying not to sound racist but is still apalled the idea of a “black Ireland.”
So here’s my rant…
This is all pointless, stupid, and irrelevant. Irish are white Indo-Europeans. Related ethno-linguistically to Baltics, Uralics, Aryans (Iranians), Indians, Germanics, Slavs, and Romance speakers, and a bunch of other people living in EUROPE AND ASIA!
Africans being descended from Ham is crap, the Biblical account of the flood is a metaphor.
The Fomori or whatever are a myth.
A “myth” is something which is NOT REAL.
Gypsies are Indian, so they are related to Irish, Vikings, Celts, etc…. several thousand years ago!
Moors originated in Africa, were in Spain, then France, then kicked back to Spain. They never were in Ireland. And Basque territory in Spain never fell to them, it was in the North, surrounded by Christian kingdoms.
Basques are from Spain and have been there since ancient times. The only times they were in Africa is when EVERYONE was still there.
And yes, humanity originated in Africa, so Black people can claim superiority or whatever since we all originated there. Whoop dee fricken doo. You feel better now? *Sorry white people, you’re from Africa… but hey, now you can dance/play basketball (so don’t let anyone say you can’t!!!)… AND!!! White people doing rap music is not only restricted to Eminem*
But mainly…
Everyone has a unique culture, and trying to appropriate someone else’s culture is pathetic. Irish have enough trouble and turmoil in the north of their country with racism and discrimination, amongst themselves and England. The last thing they need is a bunch of random people with too much time on their hands, arguing over “where they came from,” or whether they’re “black or white” ON THE FRICKEN INTERNET.
Also, trying to argue for historical/racial prescedence on a *Rastafarian* website is stupid, no scholarly institution would take this serious.
There, my rant is over. Now everyone please go find something better and more meaningful to do with your lives than argue with people you will never meet.
Thank you MultiRacialHistoryMajorWhoCantStandPeopleAppropriatingOtherCulture great post. There is so much on genetics on the internet that anyone can research. If you want to look up Irish genetics it’s not difficult. The Irish are related to their neighbours i.e Scottish, Welsh, English, Dutch on autosomal dna analysis. On the Y chromosome the majority are the same as most of Western Europe i.e. the Atlantic Modal Haplotype. What is on this site is so easily disproved I don’t know how anyone can take it seriously.
It’s 2010 the time of Maat truth,justice,balance.Truth is the only thing that can set the mind free.Truth is and this can be researched but I’m sure most know this.All people on this earth started off a color the original Hueman was created in the image of our creator carbon.All life has carbon, in Huemans it is a working Pineal Gland, in Mutant ALBINOS the gland is calcium and doesn’t function meaning not connected to the grand scheme of things.The so-called whites are Imitations of the original Hueman beings.Mutant ALBINOS FROM COLORED HUEMAN BEINGS.
The so-called blacks don’t exist,NEGRO a trick,no one can put Hueman beings in any category,we were first on any land mass from so-called Africa to Asia all across china, japan, around to north & south america.Something very interesting, every place the mutant Albino landed after comming out of the caves of europe they found that it was occupied by A DARK RACE of Hueman beings,who left images of themselves, none of which looked Mutant in origin.All over the world statues, paintings deplicting the original man & woman as being Negroid: big lips,big noses, high cheek bones,nappy hair,shapely bodies with butt, surely none can say EUROPEANS were anywhere before the Hueman being.Fact is everyone was Dark in color,to be white in the bible was to be cursed.
In the world we were the first no matter where we landed or walked in India we were Negas, south america Olmecs, north america Indians, Moorish,In Ireland Formordian,the greek,romans,germans welsh,italians etc. the original were Huemans in essence everyone was a HUE.So the jig is up we know the truth,lies will not be tolerated in the 21st century.Truth all Hueman beings have one mother & father both were Dark.Mutant ALBINOS can’t produce a yellow let alone a Black toned people.All over the world the female, mother is worshipped as the creator of Hueman beings. From them came the Albinos, Huemans without color. Without a working Pineal the white or Mutant ALBINOS lost their Negroid features straight hair replaced nappy,Noses had to breathe high altitudes became thinner,lips became thin, the animalistic behavior followed.
So this is where the Hueman has to correct our children & teach them who they are the owners of the whole world, no matter where the Hueman being goes there is family that looks just like them. peace to all the third EYERS spread the word we’re back!!
As a child. I always wondered why so many Irish people had freckles; especially the ones with that kinky curly red hair.
Peolpe need to stop denying their heretage!
Peace
LOL. It is definitely a time for revealing the truth. People sound like they’re in denial. How can anyone from a race of people that’s only been in existence for 6000 years tell the original people who have been here for millions of years and since the beginning of so-called time, who and what lived where?? It’s not about being racist, it’s not about being afrocentric (CIA term by the way). IT”S ABOUT TRUTH. Even with all the conquering, burning of libraries, and rewriting “history” books, the TRUTH can no longer be suppressed. We are a global people, not just from so-called Africa. Everywhere there are people, we have been first. Accept it and GET OVER IT.