The Fomorians
There are many oblique references to the presence of Black people in ancient Ireland. Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. According to the ancient lore, they were a cushitic people from the African continent. Often depicted as demons, they defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.
Those myths may have a factual historical basis. It is proposed that the Formorians were a real people who were in all likelihood sailors from the African continent.
Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more.
There are credible sources for the African association with Ireland. The most likely of these is that they were Phoenicians and/or Egyptians. The Phoenicians were Canaanites, which came from the line of Ham. Ham is the mythological ancestor of the Black nation.
The Phoenicians were also well-known for their sailing skills, and are said to have traveled to the British Isles, which they called the “Tin Islands”. Perhaps, before Ireland was a Celtic domain, which it wasn’t until a few centuries BCE, the Phoenicians colonized it. It is noteworthy that the name Fomorians sounds a bit like Phoenicians.
There is also a legend that an Egyptian princess, Scota, left Egypt with some followers and journeyed to Ireland. Legend has it that Egyptians left many ancient tin mines all over Britain but especially Ireland which was their major source of the valuable metal.
Another idea is that they were Taureg Berbers. The Berber language is Hamitic, and the Berber people live in an area from which travel to Ireland would be easily accessible. The Berbers perhaps set sail from western Morocco, and settled on Ireland before the Celts, making it their new home.
Moorish Science Temple founder Drew Ali teaches that Ireland was once part of a Moorish empire, and that the Irish are a Moorish people. Perhaps there is a common root between the “moor” sound in Fomor and the word Moor?
Selkies and Half-Breeds
Another Irish legend tells of the Selkies, a sort-of “wereseal” that is a seal during day, but a human by nightfall. Sometimes, in an Irish family of fair-skinned, light-haired people, a child is born with dark hair eyes, and skin, and is called a Selkie.
The concept of the Selkies appears to make subliminal reference to the half-breed children that resulted from the extensive miscegenation that occurred between the Celts and the dark skinned original inhabitants that they had met upon their arrival in Ireland.
Many people of Irish descent have distant and recent African roots, and these features can still be seen in the people and in the culture. There are some Irish people with Afros (just like Andre the Giant a late continental European wrestler with afro-hair). In Southern Ireland, some people, referred to as “Black Irish”, are noted for their strikingly dark features, as opposed to the fair-skinned, light-haired north.
Although many Irish descendants are particularly pale, they do have pronounced Africoid facial features, as well as dark brown eyes, and dark brown hair that is sort-of kinky, especially in moist conditions. A sub race of the Irish called the Bronn are noticeably Mediterranean (read: African) in features especially their hair.
In addition to all of this, Celtic music is distinctly different from the rest of Europe, and easily comparable to African music.
Black, Viking and Irish
Unlike Scotland and England, Ireland was never colonized by the Romans. As a result, Ireland remained relatively isolated.
The Vikings established port cities like Dublin. The Viking texts left stories and descriptions of African soldiers captured in Ireland whom they called blaumen[blue-men].
Most Viking references to ”black” in Norse would have signified having black hair as opposed to skin color but blaumen meant black skinned. Most of these blaumen were captured soliders from Moorish Spain. It was observed that:
“A prominent Viking of the eleventh century was Thorhall, who was aboard the ship that carried the early Vikings to the shores of North America. Thorhall was “the huntsman in summer, and in winter the steward of Eric the Red. He was, it is said, a large man, and strong, black, and like a giant, silent, and foul-mouthed in his speech, and always egged on Eric to the worst; he was a bad Christian.”"
“Another Viking, more notable than Thorhall, was Earl Thorfinn, “the most distinguished of all the earls in the Islands.” Thorfinn ruled over nine earldoms in Scotland and Ireland, and died at the age of seventy-five. His widow married the king of Scotland. Thorfinn was described as “one of the largest men in point of stature, and ugly, sharp featured, and somewhat tawny, and the most martial looking man… It has been related that he was the foremost of all his men.”"
What about Scotland and Wales?
“Any comprehensive account of the African presence in early Europe should include England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Scandinavia. The history and legends of Scotland confirm the existence of “purely Black people.” We see one of them in the person of Kenneth the Niger. During the tenth century Kenneth the Niger ruled over three provinces in the Scottish Highlands.
The historical and literary traditions of Wales reflect similar beliefs. According to Gwyn Jones (perhaps the world’s leading authority on the subject), to the Welsh chroniclers, “The Danes coming in by way of England and the Norwegians by way of Ireland were pretty well all black: Black Gentiles, Black Norsemen, Black Host.”"
Ogu Eji Ofo Annu
Sources:
Ancient And Modern Britons, by David Mac Ritchie
Nature Knows No Color-Line, by J.A. Rogers
you know with this new dna thing you can tell who is black and is not most findings i study shows a connec on every thing so lets see: 1) the picts,the basque,the danes have the same y-haplo group as the sinti gypsies who the so called white man call the black dutch and they also related to the people of northern camaroon anoher black people, if you look at these people they all have the same thing in common they are all dark people also if yo look at y-dna map you will see that R y-dna is related to Q y-dna wich is the y-haplo group of the native americans, which in turn prove what david mac ritchie said in his book (the ancient and modern britons )that the basque, and iberians are a dark people and are the descendants of the moors and gypsies who are all so-called black men. the white europeans y-dna is I and G ….not R so the real irish are a black people who are the descendants of the moorish gypsies and are related to the native americans and just incase some body say see the ancient russians are R-Y-DNA ALL THAT PERSON HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE RUSSIAN ICONS AND YOU CAN SEE FOR YOUR SELF THE THE PEOPLE IN HISTORY THAT WAS KNOWN AS “THE RUS” WAS ALSO A DARK SKIN PEOPLE WITH BOTH CURLY AND WAVY HAIR LIKE THE MOORISH-GYPSIES AND NATIVE AMERICANS JUST A DIFFERENT STYLE OF CULTURE BUT THE SAME PEOPLE AND RACE…. THEY DID NOT LOOK LIKE SOCALLED WHITE PEOPLE WE MUST REMEMBER THAT HE’S NOT GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH OR OUR HISTORY CAUSE HE’S A CULTURE THIEF!!!! SO IT’S REALLY UP TO US TO TELL OUR HISTORY NOT HIM CAUSE IF HE DO SO, HE’S GONNA MAKE SURE YOU DON’T KNOW THE TRUE STORY AND LIE JUST LIKE HE ALWAYS HAVE…….. PEACE! AND LOVE TO ALL THE Y-HAPLO GROUPS WITH COLOR E,Q,O,C,H,J,M AND ALL RELATED
if any one have any questions be free to e-maill me at sonsoftheprophets@yahoo.com peace
I’ve been reading comments on this article for a year, and they get more and more ridiculous all the time.
Black racists say that Black people are the real heralds of civilization, and Whites are redneck barbarians.
White racists say that White people are the architects of the universe, and that Blacks are backwards spear-chuckers.
The truth of the matter is that every race in the world (and there are seven major ones, go look it up) has contributed something good to humanity. Racism is a sure fire way to keep everyone ignorant.
Nation of Islamers and Ku Klux Klan members can both go die in a fire. This is about unity, not division.
I myself am Scottish on my dad’s side and Irish/Welsh/Native American on my mom’s side. Most Scots that I’ve seen before have had either ginger features or darker tones and complexions, myself included. North African tribes were the first to colonize Britain and Ireland, and their genetic footprints still stand. In fact, according to genetic research, most of Scotland is still of Pictish descent, and the Picts were likely Afro-Asiatic!
Look at people like George Clooney, Colin Farrell, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Gerard Butler, and other Celtic actors. They have darker features and don’t look Aryan at all. One day, the racist Nazi and Klan fuckers will have to acknowledge that Celts have African, Medeterranian, and yes, even SEMITIC genetic contributions.
You can flame me all you want – I don’t care.
This business of ancient black africans coloizing Ireland is a propagandised lie with no basis in fact, forever pushed by multiculturalists to justify any homogenous culture to accept alien cultures and cross breeding. Inteligent educated readers demand hard verifiable facts to substantiate all of these types of claims. We also demand to know the qualifactions of the individuals responsible for making such claims as well. Since this claim has not been substantiated it is obviously invalid, hense the conclusion is invlid as well.
are you qualified and are you an intelligent educated reader ? well i guest you are not well read especially of historical materials ,you do not need to be qualified in history inorder to refer to historical facts from renowned qualified unbiased historians .please when making comments try to be level headed.and speaking about cliams being unsubstantiated and invalid well well my friend you not living in a realistic world any one who wants to obtain unbiased facts about history can do so once well informed and clearly you are not a well informed person. stone age wow.
not neccescerily……..
If you look at the “History of Ireland” by Geoffrey Keating, published in 1902 by the Irish Texts Society,
on page 179 is the following sentence. Translated from Irish, it says” Neimheadh won three battles on the Fomorians, namely, navigators of the race of Cham, who fared from Africa.” On page 183 it also says that “they used to be called Fomorians namely, from their being committing robbery on sea.”
So while the Fomorians don’t seem to have been very nice people, and most of them were wiped off the map of Ireland by the Celts, among others a few might have survived. If you are curious, look at Frenchpark,
Roscommon, for some answers
This, while amusing, is the largest load of bunk in a long time. That man and civilization originated in Africa is almost unquestioned. That genetically we can trace ourselves to about for women (via mitochondrial DNA) is argued, but well down the road to accepted as fact. None of that means much since the former issues represent human development around 200,000 years ago. Consider the advent of science… A wonderful three letter concept: DNA. There is NO known/identified connection between Ireland/England/Scotland and Africa.
Weren’t the Fororians from Scandinavia? I thought the Black danes referred to Amor… I guess we all try to make ourselvs fel better by showing superiority over others…
It was amusing to read new fairy tales
I agree that it is funny, because I am the whitest African you have ever seen. but…….
many fairy tales come from real life. The word Fomoran means dark from the sea.
If you look up the haplogroup R1b3, you will see that it can be found in populations in the west of Ireland and in parts of Africa.
I agree it seems unlikely, but unlikely does not mean impossible.
hmm……. As I was erased I will try again.
DNA is a wonderful thing and my DNA is R31b,
which is uncommon in Europe, but common in Ireland. It can also be found in Camaroon.
Ireland has been inhabited for 10,000 years
and it is entirely possible that the first to explore a newly unfrozen land were from a warmer climate, namely Africa. Both the Romans and the Vikings have written about ‘Large black men living in the west.” The ones who had darker color would not have survived in a cold climate, so the preference for survival would have been for lighter skin, and after a few thousand years, genetic changes would have occurred.
the moors invaded italy specifically that island that was red heads and blonds plus blue eyes no more , sicilians ?heard o them? thank the moors. the dadgum irish are are still pale. black irish were tea totallers non drinkin micks ps i aint seen a red headed IIItalin since i was a kid her ma was a kraut
A 1000 years ago, when London & Paris werre dusty villages, Baghdad was enjoying a golden era. The Moors (the Arabs) invaded Spain and remained in Spain for over 700 years. The rest is history. The Spanish became powerful and their Armada in Ireland is a living proof that the black Irish are Arabs.
The Irish Claim in their miths that they are from Iberia (Melesian).
They are almost identical genetically to the Basque. Neither group has much in common with present day “Africans”. Both groups have remained very genetically homogenious over time, indicating that they have not been drowned out by other groups. This article does give Afrocentrics ever decreasing credibility. Just as those who tried to state that the first American presedent was black – total B.S. But if you incist that every accomplishment and every places was first occupied by Africans of exactly the same type that exist in Sub-Saharan Africa today, then perhaps you won’t mind taking credit for the only successful case of genocide in the history of man – extinction of the Neanderthals.
Irish have no Black human ancestry directly. Is Art Garfunckel Black because of his “fro”? No. I am not sure that our common ancestors started out with kinky hair. You do not see that in any other primate. It may have been a gene that appeared after the split between African and Caucasian/ Asian races. As someone stated earlier, skin color is not a good predictor of race. This is an adaptation to enviornment. The farther away from the equator one gets, the less sunlight he gets. The less sunlight absorbed the less active Vit D is created. More melanin in the skin blocks more sunlight. Northern peoples need lighter shin, so they can absorb enough sunlight to creat adequate Vit D. On side effect of to little Vit D is a decrease in fertility.
There are many interesting studies on the differences between races. On pointts out measurements that cannot be argued with: Mongoloid brain/body size is greater than Caucasian is greater than Negroid. Negroid testosterone levels are greater than caucasian are greater than Mongoloid. Negroid penis size is greater than Caucasin is greater than Mongoloid. Now we know that Afrocentric men are very proud to say that their shafts are the biggest. But those same people will howl and cry racism at the thought that their brains are smaller. When in fact as women would agree, men thing with their penis anyway. My point is that science is developing ways to so interconnections, ancestry, and differences. We cannot count on mythology. Who know, a few thousand yeard from now, the legend of Tarzan may be cited as proof that one Caucasian baby crashed in Africa, learned to communicate with all the animals, and dominated a whole negroid population – what a croc.
I am just asking the Afrocentric activists to be reasonable and produce good research. Of course, Having been in research, I am awar that the authors always have their own (unscientific) agenda, and come to very questionable conclusions from the data they have.
I read a very intersting article by a black man, and he stated the problem with the black community is that they depend on a group identity. They are not allowed to be individuals. Well I am happy to say that my best friend id Puertorician – he has individual identity and is actually proud of the American culter as it has evolved from European Ancestry. I have a very good friend that Is Black. SOmetime he starts to cry poor opressed black man, but when I call him on the reality of things, he thinks about it and agrees. He is even writing a thesis on the fact that in America, there is only one group of people with no help from the government when they need it , caucasian males. I only pointed my friends out, so you won’t embarrass yourself by ranting about me being a racist. I am only interested incalling things the way they are. If there was proof that Irish were black, I would have no problem with it – it just is not so. Sorry I rambled so long, I guess I have too much spare time – no the reallity is that this is more interesting than TV.
There was no such thing as an “American Indian” until Europeans came over. There were a bunch of stone age tribes, just as in many parst of the world. They all wanted to take control and expland, just like all over the world. They teamed up with Europeans to kill off their neighbors, just like all over the world. They encountered a much larger and a superior military force – Europeans. They also thought that the white man could not survive in their lands – he did not have the skill. They felt that it was OK to lie to a white man because he was not the same people. The Cherokee nation bought and worked black slaves. Everyone back then thought slavery was fine, just as long as you were not the slave. But I expect more from my government. The fact that they made promises and broke them on a whim, is not right. I firmly believe that Andrew Jackson Should have been impeached and charged with criminal acts for defying the supreme court. He was a monster. Take him off the twenty.
Nyalnl, The Irish were not slaves in the same since. They were forced to work at slave wages and take the hardest jobs. The reason being that a slave was considered a valuable piece of property. Therefore, much better to risk the life and health of the Irishman than one’s valuable propery. Also the light skin was a benifit to northern peoples, just as cycle cell was to west Africans. Light skin insured good ViT D levels. Hetero-cycle cell insured survival from malaria. Also Dark skinned peoples do get skin cancer, just not as much. But it is harder to spot. Thanks for your positive comments. I try to be objective and leave emotions and insecutities out, because they are of no value. History shows what was a ggod survival strategy in one area may not have worked in another. Thats part of the reason diversity developed. Keep the love going.
Nowadays Europeans are to a certain extent direct descendants of the Romans and their slaves who overlapped with the Celts and the Greeks who were there before them all over Europe including Britannia.
Later, Germanic tribes from the north to a large extent and Arabs from the south to a lesser extent also got into the mix.
Some of the Germanic tribes were also mixed up with some central Asian elements.
North Africa and the Middle East pretty much shared that same genetic makeup along with local peoples until they got overrun by the Arabs.
My point his that in the end we are pretty much not that different genetically speaking.
I just stumbled on this site. Very Interesting that ignorance is alive and well in 09. National Geo. has long cleared up this in March 2006 The Greatest Journey ever told, what you mutant Niggers don’t read? To sum up what we self educated Negroes know,and it seems some ‘whites’ used to be colored Negroes know.No one Non -Colored can produce a colored child. Has NEVER happened will Never happen. But a person of color especially BLACK, can & has produced a ‘Mutation’ so-called white race, That race does not exist. Proof further everybody had to be a color,in order not to be one now. You whites are mutations of black albinos you went too far to the right. Everyone on this earth was black . When a child was born without color in Africa they were left to die for it was considered evil to be born without looking like your Mother & Father the original colored race. And whites have proved,been proved ,that The COLORED PEOPLE were here before anyone. Look at the pic of Osiris His name means ‘Lord of the Perfect BLACK’ not White. We painted ourselves in color not pale.Osiris had 4 sons the black man, the brown, the red,& the yellow. Any other is cursed in bible you are cursed if you turn white.To have a working Pineal Gland is the blessing of the creator mom & dad. To not have color is a disease. Read Dr. Frances Cress Welsing the Isis Papers. Nothing Racist about it truth. Read it & weep. The Pineal Gland is the Master Gland ,the Third Eye it produces Melanin, the substance that gives you color. And don’t forget to add insult to injury, when the slavemaster father a child with a slave, it looked like him mutant in most cases.So he sold that child too.Most of them could pass, so they hooked up with whites & THAT CHILD CAME OUT LIGHTER. One drop of black blood dominates. The much stronger genes are from the original man & the lady that had ALL of us. All of mankind (kind of a man) Mutant Albinos, & Hueman beings came from melaninated peoples of the Earth. There was NO Story,before the African Story NONE…No thought, language,culture, nothing before the colored people.
Bravo Sean,
for acknowledging your history and the well-knwon traditions of the blacks in Ireland. It takes nothing away from your Irishness that you may have had some black blood. Just as it takes nothing from my blackness that I have a recent red-haired great grandmother who spoke of some ancestors that fled a potato famine in Ireland. No one who loves their heritage is going to try to deny the heritage of their own ancestors.
The people of which you speak are probably the Firbolg also related to the black Danes. The tradition of Danaus is thought to have been related to that of Odin. I believe they were descendants of the early or original Berbers such as the Tuareg and Woodabe Fulani, whose men are often reach close to 7 feet in height and who were also closely related to tall pre-Islamic Arabians of Hejaz and Yemen known as Ad or Adhar or Athir, Jazar or Khazaraj, and Amalek or Meluhha. The Shasu of the stock of Ad also according to tradition settled in the Bornu Sudan including Cameroon as well long before the time of Christ.
The mythological traditions of Dione in Ireland are related to those of the early Danaus (Aden and Adnan) and Belus or Baal of pre-Islamic Arabians. The Mauri who were mostly an early extension of the Ad Sabaeans and Amalekites back into Arabia due to their Hyksos invasion occupied both the northern coast of Africa and the Iberian peninsula in pre-islamic times. Some near Cadiz were known as Erembi Nigri.
There were also smaller black people who survived in Ireland and the Hebrides up until the 18th century, who may have been descended from the Picts, but could have been descended from the Moorish Arabs similarly described who had settled in Sicily. The small black people known as Tamim bin Murra (of Spain Palermo), Hudhail, Hamida and other of the very small sized “chocolate colored “near black” tribes still living in parts of the Hejaz.and Yemen in Arabia.
Dear Dana and all,
Thanks,
That is exactly my point. It does not matter what colour you are or where your family is from.
These ideas died with the British Empire. What is important is the content of your character. peace….
Thank You All knowledgable Brothers & Sisters. It’s MAAT tIme.Truth & Justice.Truth is we are all related.All came from one Dark Skinned Man & Woman all called her Creator.Different names same woman Auset,Isis,Astarte,Mary,etc. the list goes on.The real issue here is to find out what made caucasians to lose their color in the first place.How do you lose Pineal Gland function?That question can only be answered in Africa first,then when the African Albinos left for a cooler climate. Everyone can name names , but trace it back you gonna always come up Black. We were all fooled for a reason.Read Willie Lynch letter, real or not it’s working.We were divided for a reason, given lies look up the family Arius Calpurnius Piso aka Flavius Josephus.Then the 3rd EYERS should be able to see a little better.When the veil is truly lifted all should see the plot.Go to the website Blacked Out Through Whitewash,the information is there if you seek.Then Brothers & Sisters can live ,regardless of the outter cover real Black is in not out.Peace & Love to all the Truth Bringers.And to the holders of the Lie, may truth have mercy on you…
wow i have no idea what you are talking about i just clicked on a link of a picture of evonne goolagong and there is a hole bunch of black irish american people talk
Interesting. My mom, a Shropshire, had black hair that would stand up on its own and olive skn. My hair, at age 64, is still natural blonde, my skin sort of olive and my eyes green. So far do not have any natural blonde descendents (granchildren). Where did the blonde come from?? I am really it in my family.
My roots, I heard, are Scottish-Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, Does not really matter to me what my roots are. It is kind of like astrology. How can you take apart the puzzle in order to undestand it better? Makes no sense. We are what we are now. Reincarnation is another puzzle that I feel is a diversion away from the reality of now. So what? Who cares? What does it have to do with the price of eggs in China?
Having had some influence to not trust blacks when small, I eventually grew to understand this was wrong so I got up and gave a black lady my seat at the front of the bus when the sign up front said, “Colored To The Rear.” And during the lunchroom sit-ins in NC I could understand the why of it. They were attempting to right a wrong and I felt it was about time.
I have, though, suffered through the years at the hands of blacks because of the general concensus that others thought they were inferior, therefore as I was white I was seen as a potential enemy. Then I was thinking, “A lot of good has happened for blacks since MLK!” And it has! This was good.
Now, the racism wants to creep back in, flare up again and tear down what has transpired over the last 200 or so years, as if it never happened. Finally figured out that it was the rebel rousers preaching hatred and racism for injustices that happened a very long time ago. Guess that was a good way for them to cause division, to take power where they should not have it. That is all it is, a power play.
I really believe we were doing fine with our problems until the outsiders came along and wanted to take power. They will do anything to cause unrest and division, therefore we are more easily conquered – black, white, yellow, red, no matter. We are all human beings and those that only want power are willing to divide us and take us over. Notice I said us, which for me means US or The United States of America. We are all in this together.
Jahdey,
Eddy3957, fixing his gaze down upon the little man before him, hand extended and pointing at Jahdey:
“After skimming some of your comments here, it’s obvious that you Jahdey are one REALLY hate filled character.”
With compassion for the wretched among us, characteristic of normal people, Eddy3957 goes no further.
^^Yawn!!!
Yes Eddy666 you are right. I hate bitches like you!
Jahdey
There are people who say the Neanderthals never reached Scotland. It can however be shown that Egypt was founded by Menes (Misraem ) in 2189 /2188 BC and my current research shows that Cichol Gricenchos (A son of Sidon ) started his fishing industry in the North of Scotland in 2225 BC 200 yrs before the Battle of Magithe in Ireland under Partholan and these people the formores or Picts were in actual fact huntergatherers of the “Palaeolithic”. They were according to the evidense Neanderthals and contrary to popular oppinion addopted Neolithic civilization in 2189 BC two yrs after Babel despersion (2191 BC) . These dates are backed by the ancient chroniclers. Thus the secular or standard chronology for Egypt of ca 3215 BC is a perfect match for the Ussherian timeline of 2189/2188 BC contemporay with the founding of Egypt. For this and other information please visit my website at http://www.johnhextfremlin.com
With all due respect, John, that date for the “founding” of Egypt is preposterous and is based on the archaic Christian notion that the world is little more than 6,000 years old. Whatever proof you’ve cobbled together for that date has some seeeeeeeerious holes in it.
WOW! This post has been going on for 3 years! It has taken me a hour to read most of these posts and I am astonished by the varied and large amount of opinions, facts, misinformation and ideological rhetoric.
I am teacher of Scandinavian studies and specialist in Bronze Age history.
Point 1: There were NO black Viking kings! The first official king of Norway and Sweden were King Haarald Hardrotta (sp) and King Gustav Vasa I. Norway and Swedens nationalism started around the 16th century. I can guarantee that these two men were not “blomen” (blue men). Prior to these two men nationalizing Norway and Sweden there were many smaller chieftains.
Point 2: Long Viking history short…. Norse from Norway sailed towards Scotland(Isle of Man, Orkney Isle), England AND Ireland on their way to the Faeroe Island, Iceland, Greenland and North America. Norse from Sweden sailed eastward into Finland, western Russia to the Black Sea and into Turkey. For the curious look up who the Variagian Guards were and their relationship with the Emperor of the Byzantine. Rus/Swedish Norseman often served the Emperor of Byzantine for 18 years. So, of course they would have known about North Africa and the Moorse. They traded with them heavely. In Birka,Sweden, Helgo Norway and Gotland there is archeological finds of “hoards” with North African and Arab coins. It was very common for a Norse woman to wear these coins as jewelry and as sign of wealth. Did the Norse marry North Africans or Arabs. There is no record in the Sagas, Eddas or the Book of Names (Iceland)of them doing so but they would have encouraged and invited them to travel with them. They do have a name for people they look down upon and that is “skraeling.” In all the records there is no reference of this name being applied to North Africans or Arabs. In fact the Norse prized the knowledge of the Arabs and the North Africans. THAT ladies and gentlemen is in the records.
Point 3: Basic Bronze Age History 101- The Bronze Age in Europe, and I am focusing on Europe in this post, first started in 4th Millinium B.C. and continued well into the Iron Age. I would recommend that you all look up the Amber Road. This trade route started in the Baltic and Northern Germany and went all the way down into North Africa and Egypt. Baltic Amber has been discovered in Early Egyptian pharaohs tombs, most notably King Tuts. Bronze has been found as far north as the Scandinavian countries and as far west as Ireland.
How is Bronze made? This is an interesting look on trade. Bronze is made in two ways. 1. Copper and Tin or 2. Copper and Zinc. Now there is a 3rd which copper and arsnic but that is only found in Russia/Ukraine. Where is copper mined during the Bronze Age? It was mined in three places….. 1. Germany/Baltics 2. The Ukraine mountains most noteably in the Carpathian mts.. 3. Ireland. Where is tin mined? Two places; 1. Britian (Joseph of Aramathia owned tin mines in England…hmmmm) 2. Ireland.
Now Ladies and Gentlemen.. this is a very generalized and brief history lesson on the Bronze Age. But, the development of bronze significantly altered the face of Europe and trade. Yes, it is very very possible that African’s found there way to Ireland. How else would you secure the mines for trade? Ireland was also the center of trade for the Vikings going to Iceland. Vikings were known to create names based of physical appearance, ie Harrald Bluetooth…family lineage and points of origin ie Dyrfinn (beloved one from Finland-a Saami reference). Could Africans make to Ireland.. yes. Are they the foundations for Irish culture… doubtful. Otherwise the Norse would have mentioned them in their writings.
Now, when I have taught the Renaissance Period in school there is a lot of references of Spanish/Moorish survivors of the Spanish Armada that made it to Southern Ireland. Isn’t that the real source of the “Black Irish?”
Who knows… as the Genome project continues to grow and the data base grows larger… we may find that WE all were originally from a planet called Caprica and we are actually part Cylon.
check this out
Meet The Afrikan, Mitochondrial Eve Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bie96K8YujE&feature=related
Uh, this is utter crap. Take it from a native Gaelic speaker, the name of the Fomorians comes from the Gaelic “faoi muire” which means “under the sea” not “black of the sea”.
You can’t seriously be making judgments based on what a word looks and sounds like as compared to words in completely languages. The Irish are a lot of things, we’re a mesh of Celtic, Germanic, and Basque. But one thing we’re not, and that is African. All serious research shows that.
Granted Mac mac mikel that not all Irish come from Africa. Those that descended from the Troglodytes apes did not come directly from Africa. They might have evolved into creatures such as yourself, his “eminence” Mac Mac mikel.
The MauroIberians are from Africa. The Formorians are from Africa. The Silures are African. The Irish of African descent know themselves.
The fakers who come from pale cave dwelling apes also know themselves.
BTW: You are one fake Gaelic speaker if you do not know that “muir” is a variant of “moor”.
That meaning of muir is never used in Irish. Muir in this case shares the root of mara (sea). That can be seen in the various transformation of the Irish names of the Formorians.
Who, by the way, are completely fictional. Most people who have studied Irish may be aware of Keating’s history of Ireland and the Tuatha dé Danann and all the rest, but they are completely mythical and have no historical basis whatsoever. The Neolithic people of Ireland came in a number of waves (far more than Keating’s seven) from all around Europe. I haven’t heard North Africa ruled out, but there is little archaeological evidence.
I’m hear because I’m reading Doomnsday Key by James Rollins..he mentions and uses the formotians as part of his book plot…so it made me interested..and well..here i am…howdy..
I’m irish and i always found the irish culture had a lot in common with african culture, especially the rhythmic music. this is a very interesting article.
First off, tip of the hat to Tired Viking Professor, its nice to hear from an educated person with a PHD. Not some black person trying to steal the Irish identity or some white person trying not to sound racist but is still apalled the idea of a “black Ireland.”
So here’s my rant…
This is all pointless, stupid, and irrelevant. Irish are white Indo-Europeans. Related ethno-linguistically to Baltics, Uralics, Aryans (Iranians), Indians, Germanics, Slavs, and Romance speakers, and a bunch of other people living in EUROPE AND ASIA!
Africans being descended from Ham is crap, the Biblical account of the flood is a metaphor.
The Fomori or whatever are a myth.
A “myth” is something which is NOT REAL.
Gypsies are Indian, so they are related to Irish, Vikings, Celts, etc…. several thousand years ago!
Moors originated in Africa, were in Spain, then France, then kicked back to Spain. They never were in Ireland. And Basque territory in Spain never fell to them, it was in the North, surrounded by Christian kingdoms.
Basques are from Spain and have been there since ancient times. The only times they were in Africa is when EVERYONE was still there.
And yes, humanity originated in Africa, so Black people can claim superiority or whatever since we all originated there. Whoop dee fricken doo. You feel better now? *Sorry white people, you’re from Africa… but hey, now you can dance/play basketball (so don’t let anyone say you can’t!!!)… AND!!! White people doing rap music is not only restricted to Eminem*
But mainly…
Everyone has a unique culture, and trying to appropriate someone else’s culture is pathetic. Irish have enough trouble and turmoil in the north of their country with racism and discrimination, amongst themselves and England. The last thing they need is a bunch of random people with too much time on their hands, arguing over “where they came from,” or whether they’re “black or white” ON THE FRICKEN INTERNET.
Also, trying to argue for historical/racial prescedence on a *Rastafarian* website is stupid, no scholarly institution would take this serious.
There, my rant is over. Now everyone please go find something better and more meaningful to do with your lives than argue with people you will never meet.
Thank you MultiRacialHistoryMajorWhoCantStandPeopleAppropriatingOtherCulture great post. There is so much on genetics on the internet that anyone can research. If you want to look up Irish genetics it’s not difficult. The Irish are related to their neighbours i.e Scottish, Welsh, English, Dutch on autosomal dna analysis. On the Y chromosome the majority are the same as most of Western Europe i.e. the Atlantic Modal Haplotype. What is on this site is so easily disproved I don’t know how anyone can take it seriously.
It’s 2010 the time of Maat truth,justice,balance.Truth is the only thing that can set the mind free.Truth is and this can be researched but I’m sure most know this.All people on this earth started off a color the original Hueman was created in the image of our creator carbon.All life has carbon, in Huemans it is a working Pineal Gland, in Mutant ALBINOS the gland is calcium and doesn’t function meaning not connected to the grand scheme of things.The so-called whites are Imitations of the original Hueman beings.Mutant ALBINOS FROM COLORED HUEMAN BEINGS.
The so-called blacks don’t exist,NEGRO a trick,no one can put Hueman beings in any category,we were first on any land mass from so-called Africa to Asia all across china, japan, around to north & south america.Something very interesting, every place the mutant Albino landed after comming out of the caves of europe they found that it was occupied by A DARK RACE of Hueman beings,who left images of themselves, none of which looked Mutant in origin.All over the world statues, paintings deplicting the original man & woman as being Negroid: big lips,big noses, high cheek bones,nappy hair,shapely bodies with butt, surely none can say EUROPEANS were anywhere before the Hueman being.Fact is everyone was Dark in color,to be white in the bible was to be cursed.
In the world we were the first no matter where we landed or walked in India we were Negas, south america Olmecs, north america Indians, Moorish,In Ireland Formordian,the greek,romans,germans welsh,italians etc. the original were Huemans in essence everyone was a HUE.So the jig is up we know the truth,lies will not be tolerated in the 21st century.Truth all Hueman beings have one mother & father both were Dark.Mutant ALBINOS can’t produce a yellow let alone a Black toned people.All over the world the female, mother is worshipped as the creator of Hueman beings. From them came the Albinos, Huemans without color. Without a working Pineal the white or Mutant ALBINOS lost their Negroid features straight hair replaced nappy,Noses had to breathe high altitudes became thinner,lips became thin, the animalistic behavior followed.
So this is where the Hueman has to correct our children & teach them who they are the owners of the whole world, no matter where the Hueman being goes there is family that looks just like them. peace to all the third EYERS spread the word we’re back!!
As a child. I always wondered why so many Irish people had freckles; especially the ones with that kinky curly red hair.
Peolpe need to stop denying their heretage!
Peace
People need to stop living in fantasy land. Red hair is the result of the person having 2 copies of the MCR1 gene (melanocortin 1 receptor). One copy of this gene results in freckles. The MCR1 gene reaches a peak in the British Isles most likely due to the overcast climate with very little sunlight. People with this gene are at a much higher risk of skin cancer and an inability to tan!! If Africans had this gene they would be at a huge disadvantage and wouldn’t survive the hot African sun. This is why so many Irish have freckles. The MCR1 gene is also recessive and over 75% of Irish have one copy of this gene so this alone shows that the Irish have been fairly isolated. Kinky hair is not common in Ireland unless you mean wavy or curly hair which is common all across Europe. Are you saying that Art Garfunkel has recent African ancestry? I have nothing against African people and everyone originally started out in Africa but if you are saying that the Irish have a more recent connection with Africa then show something to prove it? DNA studies do not bear this out and science doesn’t lie.
art garfunkel could have african ancestery , as it is common knowledge through roman census from over 2000 yrs ago thats jews took wifes from africa, in particular somalia and ethopia (Jesus mother mary was of ethopian blood). And as jews in latter years tended to only marry other jews the gene has stayed
LOL. It is definitely a time for revealing the truth. People sound like they’re in denial. How can anyone from a race of people that’s only been in existence for 6000 years tell the original people who have been here for millions of years and since the beginning of so-called time, who and what lived where?? It’s not about being racist, it’s not about being afrocentric (CIA term by the way). IT”S ABOUT TRUTH. Even with all the conquering, burning of libraries, and rewriting “history” books, the TRUTH can no longer be suppressed. We are a global people, not just from so-called Africa. Everywhere there are people, we have been first. Accept it and GET OVER IT.
Alice They call that albino,trying to turn a color.Whites are albinos,MUTATED! Science has long proved that: EVERYBODY that lived on this earth was BLACK in Color. Now Alice no so-called white- albino.Look at all the people before that disease yes it’s a disease.Called melanoma, no carbon producing pineal gland yours does not work.Freckles is your body’s attempt to produce color. Why can’t white non-melanated skin turn black u say we are your children we came from u. It is not possible for any mutant albino to produce a color.People of color can and have (you are welcomed) produced an inferior stock of HUEMAN being that is white or mutant albinos.Now we didn’t any of our features from anyone of white albino stock,cause we were here first and only. Sorry you weren’t around yet.WE were blonde and red head before you were born albinos on the Afrikan Continent.So do your history of yourselves we know the deal.Debate among yourselves and wonder how your pink, that burn in the SUN skin could ever have produced Black,Brown,Red,& Yellow HUE.The key word here is HUE. A color has to be there to produce one,as your non-color proves it was not you who is Mother or Father of any race on this planet.The Whites or MUTANT ALBINOS are NOT INDIGENIOUS of anywhere on this EARTH!! In the bible you are the LEPERS,they have skin issues, NO Blackness to bounce off the uv rays.Cursed.Why you continue to be confused can be solved with research.Look up albino born in Africa to African HUEMANS that would be you.All of you MUTANTS can see how you came to be.Once again if ALL the inhabitants all over the world are colored,started off colored,remained colored for over 2 million years and only a handful ( compared to the colored races)are born without color
something had to happen.That’s why you albinos had to leave Africa to the caves of Europe. Told u we know the story.You are used to be Black people born to black skinned to brown HUEMANS. You can’t call yourself Hue-man guess Human (whoman) will have to do. See how the Devils try to roll.HA HA.
Melodymaat8 – You seem to have taken offence to my post. I’m not disputing that everyone came out of Africa originally. I’m saying the assertions on this site that Africans were in Ireland in the Viking Age and that Irish have had some direct African ancestry is wrong. People can get tested these days and they can tell where your ancestors originated from. If you go back far enough everyone came out of Africa it’s just that most Irish have been there since the island was inhabitated after the last Ice Age; before that they were in Iberia. By studying mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mother to child, researchers have found that most of the actual European inhabitants seem to have come from re-expansion of hunter-gatherers populations, which have migrated from Iberia, Europe after the end of the last Ice Age, Geneticists can look at Y chromosomes from the father and mt-dna from the mother and trace where people were back in time. This has been done with many present day populations including the Irish and there is a lot of information on Irish genetics. That is why what is said here is fantasy, it is easily researched if you were inclined enough to want to find factual information. If there were Africans in Ireland it would be recorded; that’s what a lot of those monks did in those days. There would be no reason to hide it. Albinism occurs in all populations. Albinism is due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. Europeans have this enzyme and they do produce melanin. Melanin comes in two types: pheomelanin (red) and eumelanin (very dark brown). Skin colour is determined by the amount AND type of melanin. So no Europeans are not mutant albinos. Africans are beautiful people and I wish I looked like Rihanna. If Africans contributed to the Irish gene pool the information would be available. No need to be angry people. Maybe Rihanna has some Irish blood?? A lot of Irish & Scottish were sent to the West Indies as slaves by the British.
Question: Why would The British send the Irish to the West Indies as slaves? Is it because they knew the ancestry of the Irish?
I love it when the new commers try to explain their present situation.Perhaps you have me confused with someone who does not know their history,not the his-story as told by someone who has only been non-hueman for about 100,000 years. You still haven’t explained how people of color turn white,albinism,but not a single report of a white person turning black,excuse me, you too turn back to a color after you die.You are stuck on denial.If we started off black in color where did you mutated albinos come from?You whites or you seem to have forgotten there where no so-called white folk.Why you seek out sites where we are informing ourselves cause we know the truth,as i said.White is no color white is not,i repeat a color & not natural in the world.So when a gorilla is born it’s color is BLACK, that is it’s natural color.Now when it is born WHITE,you people call it ALBINO meaning born without color,just like you people.That’s funny you call everything else not born of color when it is naturally of color an Albino.And there is NO exception to that rule if you are a albino born of Africans and no other whites are around.You are on the wrong site, like i said you need to go do research on yourselves.When the so-called Irish first came to America you called them NIGGERS for they still had their color.
So Alice no offence taken,but i know my story for it was i who taught it to your people when we rescued you from the caves of europe after you mutated and became what you are now.A non HUEMAN being and that’s the truth as we know it cause we wrote it first. Now every melanin test have proved we were the first everywhere,AND pics go on the internet and go backward in our story. When you do you willbegin to see blackness all around you. Look for the pics of the first chinese,japanese,after we traveled out and populated the entire world. Once again it was not your people,sorry,it was people of color,melaninated to the core.You have to dispute those cave dwellers.For they too have been lied to. No one in their right mind can dispute everyone of color was blessed with a working pineal gland ,all praises to the creator,we are blessed. And knowledge is power.Know thy self .And the first so-called Vikings that was us too.Can’t miss us anywhere.Europeans are as Mutated as they come Blonde hair,blue eyes the highest with the disease of leperosy then white hair,pink eyes in this stage they become sterile. Too Mutated to conceive thank the creator.
That’s why a child by a HUEMAN being AND a non-Hueman called (human) is all the Dominant HUEMAN CHILD.Our genes are Dominant.And the info is available look up the Pelasians that was us,then Formordians us too.Africans occupied all the lands before you,that’s why you found us when you arrived.That’s why we have to tell our children the true story or they will continue to keep their fairy tales alive when they must end their story ,so in 2012 we can regain our place.The people where everything came from and was stolen from us. Third Eyers our time is here truth is here MAAT TIME.Hold on it won’t hurt a bit.White peoples melanin is not enough to turn them back to their original color in life,not until they die,3-5 days after they turn to their former color black,they have to be in the ground.That’s what ALBINISM does to people born of 2 black in color parents.Look up ALBINO you will see them.Yes Europeans are Albinos created from black parents if you didn’t come through us again where did you come from? The only other answer outer space,then the non-HUEMANS are ALIENS?Peace yall these MUTANTS be buggin’ 20 years of research.My story is correct.And haven’t scratched the surface of all i’ve studied.So you are going to have to come correct to talk to knowledge.So Alice you can’t tell me about my history,since none of your people created it,non of it.Peace to all MUTANT ALBINOS.I can say that cause my great,grandmother had your affiction she was a ALBINO,Black but without color her mother black in color,father Albino you call white. we got our color back she married a black man ,all her children were dark.They mated with black women & men.Now we back to our former self, colored. Albinos that keep mating with Albino produce a mutation of a mutation 4 times that’s whites.Hope that helps you all.
Two studies by Rosenberg et al. 2002 and Wilson et al. 2001 failed to detect any sub-Saharan admixture in Scots (from Orkney), Russians, Basques, Frenchmen or Italians (from Lombardy, Tuscany and Sardinia), while 1% was observed in Norwegians. More recently, Bauchet et al. 2007 tested several European groups for black admixture, and while cluster membership coefficients are not provided, the chart of Bayesian cluster results shows admixture levels to be equally low in Greeks, Spaniards (from Valencia), Basques, Frenchmen, Southern Italians, East English, West Irish, Poles, Germans (from Hanover) and Finns.
A similar study by Auton et al. 2009, which also contains an admixture analysis chart but no cluster membership coefficients, shows little to no sub-Saharan African influence in a wide array of European samples, i.e. Albanians, Austrians, Belgians, Bosnians, Bulgarians, Croatians, Cypriots, Czechs, Danes, Finns, Frenchmen, Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Irish, Italians, Kosovars, Latvians, Macedonians, Netherlanders, Norwegians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Russians, Scots, Serbians, Slovakians, Slovenians, Spaniards, Swedes, Swiss (German, French and Italian), Ukrainians, United Kingdom and Yugoslavians.
Alice
What are the haplogroups that were detected in Europeans which indicated a non-black admixture?
What do you mean by black admixture?
Do genetic haplogroups indicate colour?
What is the oldest haplogroup of the male Y-DNA carried by all male alive today and where did it evolve?
What is the oldest mtDNA (female DNA) and where did that evolve?
Thanks
Jahdey
Hi Jahdey – You might find this interesting. It is about some African dna discovered in some men in the North of England. It also briefly explains about how they can tell where people’s dna originates and when. I also didn’t mention black admixture and said nothing about colour but geneticists can tell where people’s ancestors come from. I’ll comment more later in the week.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070124-british-genes.html
Hi Alice
You might find this even more interesting and scholarly:
“…the genetic variation in Europeans and Asians are actually sub-sets of the African variation…” See http://www.understandingrace.org/humvar/race_humvar.html
Jahdey
Jahdey, peace been checking out your comments.U are definitely a third eyer, u can see,can see this.In my studies,i came across a people that were called the CAGOTS.Now after we HUEMANS were afficted with Leprosy-Albinism (same thing) the main characteristic of which the bible states,there were several blacks in the book that had the disease of leperosy(when we HUEMANS turn white) Moses,Miriam, Larazus,and Naaman the Syrian,a few that they say had the disease of turning white as snow, cursed.No pineal gland function.
This is what was said of these people: The cagots were a persecuted & despised minority found in the west of France & Northern Spain: the Navarrese Pyrenees, Basque provinces, Bearn, Gascony, & Brittany. Evidence of the group goes back as far as AD 1000.
The CAGOTS were shunned & hated. They were required to live in separate quarters in towns, called cagoteries, which were on the outskirts of the villages.Cagots were excluded from all political & social rights.They were only allowed to enter a church by a special door.Either they were altogether forbidden to partake of the sacrement, or the Eucharist was handed to them on the end of a stick.They had to wear a distinctive dress, which a foot of a goose or a duck was attached (whence they were called Canards).So pestilential was their touch considered that it was a crime for them to walk the common road barefooted or to drink from the same communion cup as non-cagots.It goes on to say they are not an ethnic,nor religious group.They kept the same language,& religion as the people in the area. The only distinguishing feature was their descent from families identified as CAGOTS.The reasons given why they were hated included them being cretins,lepers,heretics,cannibals,to simply being intrinsically evil.
It was suggested that they were descendants of the visigoths,& the name cagot derives from caas (dog) and “Goth”. upon research caas, caca cack all meant poop,excrement,just plain shit. Goth, Barbarian,the main focus is a theory that the cagots were descendants of moorish soldiers left over from the 8th century Muslim invasion of Spain & France ,key word moor,darkly colored folk, jet black in color. No doubt HUEMAN in origin.Another they were from cathars,who had been persecuted for heresy in the Albigensian Crusade, the albinos.Yet another says they are from viking invaders.Huemans were the first everybody. Now it gets interesting. The early mention of them is from 1288,when they appear to have been called Chretiens or Christianos.Another theory says they were the first to convert to christianity. A possible explaination of their name chretiens or christianos is found in the fact that in midieval or midevil times all LEPERS were known as pauperes christi, & that, whether Visigoths or not, these cagots were affected in the middle ages with a particular form of leprosy or condition resembling it, such as psoriasis.
Now check it out go to leprosy now that was huemans, the common thing the bible says is when u get this disease caused by the bacteria mycobacterium leprae, u lose pigmentation, become cursed turn white. Called Hansen’s Disease now. The alleged physical appearance & ethnicity of the cagots varied, some local legends(especially those that held to the leper theory) indicated they had blonde hair & blue eyes,that’s 3rd or 4th stage albino. the last stage white hair,pink eyes. And along with all of this look at cretin & cretinism. Think u will see some folk we all know. They also go on to say they had no distinguishing features at all.They could blend in with the rest of the albinos (humans),and after 8 centuries of persecution, they tended to be more skillful & resourceful than the surrounding populations, & more likely to emigrate to America. They’re here. And revenge was sweet. Now we HUEMAN BEINGS are the cagots.Separate fountains and all, one said ” white only” the other “colored only”. And in every story of our encounter with whites what was the first they all say? When we HUEMANS came in contact with human beings from the caves or europeans we always were wiped out,or almost from the diseases they carry. I conclude we have been duped by the lepers. Queen Elizabeth’s 3 great grandmother was an African they have lost all african features,they are suppose to be colored. Queen Sophie the black Queen and George had 15 mulatto children,of course we know they were HUEMAN.LOOK at the royal family now lepers.So the Queen now sits on a throne of a African woman, a counterfeit throne. They are CAGOT. PEACE.
Thanks Jahdey for the link. It gives a good overview of population genetics. Much appreciated.
Just three small things….
The good looking Jamacan, Rhianna, who might have Irish ancestry, definitely has an Irish name. In Irish, Rionna most likely means “Blessed” or “Royal”. There might be many Jamacan Irish.
The name “O Dughain” (Duggan) means “From the black one”, is an ancient Irish name and has, as it’s Coat of Arms, the Crescent Moon and Star, similar to very many Muslim flags. I always smile when I see Pakistani military rockets with the Duggan coat of arms. Some branches of the Duggan family are somewhat North African in appearance.
If the Irish have a Phonecian or North African aspect to their identity, well lucky them, it adds to their mystery, their well known love of fun and music, and their ability to transcend George Bush’s “War on Civilization”. The Irish, though they are territorial, generally respect all races, that are not pushy or dishonest. They are more likely to side with their Muslim cousins than with fearmongering and warmongering WASPS and worse. Peace to all.
Oh, I forgot to mention that in Ireland men from Africa were called “Fir Gorm” (“Men who were blue”), those who came long distances by sea would probably be called “Fir Muir” (“Men of the Sea”). This sounds very like Firmuir or Formor – (ian). The (ian) affix is the same as in Hibern(ian) or Russ(ian), it’s Latin or Greek, I suppose and was later added by scholars.. Again, peace.
The book by Bob Quinn called “The Atlantean Irish” gives details of the many unique aspects of Irish culture that resemble Mediterranean African culture. – .
i didn’t read the whole article cause i was disturbed by the fact that you’re telling that African roots in ireland exist in the PRE HUMAN mythology of ireland (completely ridiculous).
after the immediate and short disturbance to my mind i realized that you’re faith is showing you that everything is pointing to Jah, which i admire within the writer of the article and anyone whos faith is so strong.
I love and appreciate Rastafari but how do you explain white skinned people? do we have a place in rastafari spirituality?
my view (coming from a background spirituality from India) is that everything is coming from india.
this rastafari (as far as my uninformed brain has concluded) has developed from christian teachings mixed with the meditational aspect of indian culture, including the use of Ganja (ganja came from india to jamaica). the result is much higher realizations than normal biblical study, but still being bound by the physical form creation. which is ultimately illusion.
When we smoke Ganja we become aware of thousands of subtleties of which we are not normally aware, if we assimilate these well then our understanding grows and improves. If we carelessly assimilate these subtleties then then misunderstanding and even insanity can result.
Adam and Eve were thrown out of Eden for seeking “To know all things”. God is most easily found by turning our will to Him, rather than our intelligence or imagination, “You must become like little children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”. Knowledge is power and God does not come looking for those who are powerful. Little children have little knowledge, and little power, but lots of trust and respect and obedience, and as such are the first to meet God.
The tremendous spirituality of the Indian peoples is universally respected, and the concept of “Maya” is priceless. Enjoying exaltation on Ganja is not the recommended way of overcoming “Maya”. Peace.
Thank u mac it’s the truth that sets u free.U are up on your history,and yes u are lucky indeed. The first people to settle in what is called Ir land was jet black in color or blue black. My friend is from Ghana he’s so melanin enriched his feet are pink, him and carbon are one.One of my nephews was visited by the melanin fairy. Only BLACK can make BLACK. So when u go into our histories of ourselves we find mention in religious texts as well as actual carvings and statues, how we saw ourselves.Black makes various shades up to shade-less,and that would be albinos As we HUEMANS traveled out of africa we stopped, settled, raised civilizations & families,we left a trail around the world. The world stayed BLACK in color for millions of years HUEMANS have always been here,we have no date of origin.We have no beginning,no end. The Ir-ish are the last on that isle u haven’t quite crossed over into the white or leper stage,freckles are your bodies attempt to create melanin. Now i’m talking about pure Ir-ish the one that haven’t mated with white ALBINOS.The Dark red haired,dark eyes,nappyheaded ones. Don’t forget we were already there when the people from the North invaded us. The albinos.WE were everywhere.Whites have always came to where we were.Volney said when we first encountered them they were barbarians and too stupid to use as slaves. We did not do any business with and they had to stay on the outskirts of the city.
Basically all of the so-called royalty coats of arms are of African origin, Lions are indigenous to Akebu-lan, ( mother of mankind) africa.In some coats you see a moor a black man with nappy hair. ALL OF THE ROYAL FAMILIES , ASCENDED THE THRONE THROUGH BLACK RELATIVES.The mulatto mixed with whites non-huemans now look at the royal cursed families.Indigenous people all over are the perscuted no matter where they are.Native then takes on a new meaning when whites have mated with them. look up the CAGOTS.But the original of the land is still colored,indigenous,First people there. WHEN they say Ethnic Cleansing it means killing off the darker original people of the land.Like the white albinos, leper tribes are doing to us original all over the world where 100,000 years ago there were no whites.Just us burnt faced peeps.peace 3 rd eyers.
India’s first people were us called The Negas the serpent people that was us. Called NIGGERS now same pronuncation.The folks mentioned Shiva, Krishna, kali ma, were them blue black people again.The art of making love that was us we perfected that art of Karmasutra.Now the lighter perscute the darker or indigenous original people call them untouchables when it is really the light dam near white that are diseased with leprosy. WE still are blessed with our color. Peace. And Ganja stimulates a carbonated pineal gland.
The word “Naga” for serpent of East Indian literature has nothing whatsoever to do with “Nigger”, but likely is related to the Afro-Asiatic “Nahas” which referred to the copper or brazen serpent. The word “Nigger” is a Scotch-Irish pronunciation of the Spanish, Negro and the Latin Nigra or Niger. The Roman word comes from the name of the Nigritae, pastoral nomads living along the Niger (an African or Afro-Asiatic word for river). See Richard L. Smith, What Ever Happened to the Ancient Libyans, Journal of World History – Volume 14, Number 4, December 2003, pp. 459-500
Because the Nigri resembled the “Mauri” of North Africa the words became synonomous in Latin and early Spanish literature. In Spain this lasted until a very late period when the Christian Spaniards (Mozarabs). p. 67, Jack Forbes, Africans and Native Americans p. 68.
The Irish Viking (Gaelic) Saga dating from the 900s, mentions that “these are the blue men, Mauri is the same as black (Negri) man and Mauritania is the same as blackness…Long indeed were these blue men in Erin (Ireland).”” P. 68, Jack Forbes.
Certain genetic studies have shown that certain families descended from Irish that came to the Caribbean and the U.S. have dna matches to the Tuareg of Mali. See the link below by the South West Virginia Project under “Bahamas DNA Project”.
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Notebook3:George_Teater_(1)
The idea that whites are “albinos” ratherr than people whose skin has undergone adaptation is silly.
Thank u Dana for a run down of HUEMAN history that we 3 rd eyers already know any variation of any word still points back to the darker hue of black the color original man and woman were. So evidently no so-called white wants to recognize what they really are. And every explanation of where yall come from has been side-wiped with some even sillier. So what adaptation has your skin gone through but have lost it’s color? What you are talking about is everyone on this planet are brothers & sister but you or shall i say mutant albino ,non-HUEMAN, leper CAGOT being.We know u. We see you in your full glory. Twisters of the truth of your beginnings. You know what you are.So thank u for the run down on me. Now research LEPEROSY with so much gusto since u are all in the HUEMAN mix.
But enough of this madness. Everything the now cagots have said is about the original people that are still here we are the indigenous in every part of the world. the word Naga , Nigger pronounced just i said, has been a deliberate attempt to fool the rightful owners of North, South, East & West to make us forget who we are Huemans not Black, not african-american,colored, none of this fits royalty. It’s dirty CAGOT names.We are every people that was her before the arrival of death, the so- called white clan. The mutated akebu-lan leper. It’s all been a change the name trick,started by cagots to get back at the blessed melanin rich tribes title holders to the land. We have a new quest, to regain our lands stolen by trickery. We the real proper Hueman, or shall i refer to us as indigenious,or” the Black Indians” the real are the colored tribes the rest are cagots attempt to assimilate into us. It’s time to disolve.
We Huemans are entitled to a large settlement they the gov. knows it can’t pay. It’s called REDEMPTION. Third eyers check out ACCEPTED FOR VALUE, STRUCTURE OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, MARRIAGE LICENSE, & FIAT MONEY for the dupe. File your UCC and get out of here. Our time is running out we have to do EXODUS one more time. Leave with some assets ain’t no money. Then we we family get back together we’ll figure out where we belong. The whites, mutant albinos, have killed our Mother Earth we have to get back home to the beginning AKEBU-LAN all colored race, only one race now , only one race in the beginning 2012.And don’t get comfortable writing the word NIGGER because u can never be one any way u pronounce it. Peace & redemption to all
Only a foolish Person who does not know that the world Nigger is, would want to use it as an insulting word. The world is missed us mainly by uneducated Europeans and the rest of the uneducated people of the world followed. Nigger is missed pronounce, Niger is a place in west Africa near Nigeria West Africa, THIS WORLD ALSO MEAN black in Latin and other mixed race countries like Spain,Portugal, Italy. i say mix because they where ruled by Africans for thousands of years by Africans. The world Schwartz in Germany also mean black, in India it is Kala, so are you going to start using these words to try and insult too? don’t be stupid. It.s a world like we say white. and not all blacks are Niggers as you guys put. Indian, Arabs, are Blacks why not call them Nigger too?, in AFRICA FOR all you uneducated people, we have vast amount of different people. Arabs in Sudan, Niggers as you would like to call them in (Niger,s) in Parts of the west, Zulu in the South. so my friend we are not all niggers because we don’t all come from the Niger Delta, what you call Niggers, please understand before you speak . the only Reason you don’t want the true is because you don’t want it and you want to continue you bullshit MY friend all great nation must come to an end. Your started from 1450 Portuguese entering Africa and brought the rest of Europe with them for that party. to date about 600 years. Africans great nation as being on going since the creation of man, minus the 600 years that you had a ago at it but could not sustain it, so you want to hand it back to the Africans. this must be really frightening for you. Any thing that you can bring to the table to try and discredit, WHAT IS BEEN SAID. We have the proof, yours is only speculation none factual. Your lies about African is coming to an end prepare your self you are about to get revealed. how can you have so much hatred you must feel small when you see us Africans, in your heart you are muttering Niggers under your breath , but there is nothing that you can do about it. Because those niggers are stronger than you, you must feel as sick a parrot. And to think that for the rest of your life you have to carry the burden with you, how sad you are?. It okay we don’t want revenge, so don’t worry we just want to set the record straight.
Have you not seeing the film with Bruce willis where is tell the Italians how is he African because that is what happen Hollywood know why don’t.
Man in the Mirrow